Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Yeah, but it is only the 2nd ;)

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Oh damn yeah I forgot we are in to June now lol

Re: Banned from flying my Flag
 

Exactly. So why in your previous post did you put "In case they offend Muslims" as part of the ntl quote?

It was "The Sun" that, unsuprisingly, put that bit in, just to stir things up a bit & get the patriots blood boiling :rolleyes: . The ntl spokesperson didn't even mention Muslims.

Re: Banned from flying my Flag
 

The first quote, I copied directly from the Sun, the second comes from the website, as was stated!

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

this bit is a direct quote from the NTL spokesperson.

"We work in many multicultural areas and in different countries within Britain so we want to maintain a professional image and a sense of impartiality"

so what has multi culturism go to do with the English flag? is it against some cultures to see the English flag roll up at their doorstep or pass down their street?

I can't believe these other "cultures" the NTL PC team claim exist would be so petty and pathetic.

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

I think a lot of people are over simplifying this by dragging it down to the level of gutter press xenophobia and paranoia (for example The Sun).

NTL have stated they are implementing this as a matter of impartiality and professionalism. They are not saying people shouldn't be allowed to boast the English flag if they want to. They're just not allowing it to be done on or in conjunction with their livery, by their staff, at their expense during working hours. It's quite simple. During your working hours you are expected to behave as an employee - on their terms.

As to the question of what multiculturalism has to do with the English flag I think you'll find that there are quite a few second and third generation immigrants to the UK (specifically England) who recall, with less than a wistful tear, the days of dear old Blighty as an aggressive, conquering empire builder. I think NTL are being responsible to their sensitivities given the current climate of mistrust generated by opportunist scaremongers such as "The Sun".

Whether NTL are doing this for social or economic reasons is largely irrelevant, the fact is they are doing it. Some elements of society will be reciprocal in that regard and others will be scathing in their attacks on a perceived bending of the knee to the "pc team".

The bottom line is that there are a very large number of people who view the flying of the England flag as triumphalist and threatening. Unfortunately legitimate supporters are lumped in with racists and fascists in their opinion as there are no clear lines of distinction. This has come about because certain right wing groups have hijacked the flag for nefarious purposes.

That these groups were able to do so with minimal intervention on the part of Government went some way to undermining the worth of the flag as a national symbol - it became "tainted" and instead of being a subject of national pride it is now viewed by many with suspicion and, to a certain degree, fear.

Without wishing to demean the subject I think due consideration should be given to those citizens who suffer more than not being allowed to celebrate their national team / nationality during working hours.

What about the many dozens of innocent England fans who are deprived of their very nationality for the duration of football campaigns where their passports are confiscated just because they appear on a suspect list? Who is fighting their corner?

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

We live in England we should be able to show who we support in our own country

It is a Joke imo

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Could you please explain what's wrong with a company wanting to maintain a) a professional image amongst its employees, and b) an impartial image? What exactly is it that makes it a joke?

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

It is a Joke that companies are stopping workers from showing thier support for the country they live in, christ sake its only for 1 month well 2 weeks every 4 years.

lets just relax about it all please

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

If you're using your own vehicle and in your own time I say you're free to display your patriotism in any way you see fit.

But while you are professional and representing your company, company rules must be adhered to IMO.

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Well said, and i must agree with you on that :)

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

What tosh! The company isn't stopping anyone from showing their support - the employees just aren't allowed to drape their vans in anything that would mean the company appears unprofessional or acting in anything other than an impartial manner. These employees are free to cover their own vehicles in whatever crap they want!

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

If they don't like get on the next boat out then... what a crap statement!
Sorry but I have to take issue with that kind of statement, most are only here because of the Empire.
What complete tosh, I see the liberal do-gooders are here :-(

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

No, 'most are only here' because, post-war, we didn't have the 'indigenous' manpower for the manufacturing industry (amongst others)...

I see that our more right-wing members still don't like it when someone disagrees wuth them :rolleyes:

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

OK guys, let's get this back on topic.....

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Apologies :)

As I said (yesterday, I think), the company I work for isn't doing anything for the World Cup, but I just accept it :shrug: As was said in that article, ntl have taken this decision so that they're seen as impartial, so what's the problem?

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

After bouts of redundancies, even more on the cards, and morale at an all time low...how do you expect us to react? It's moves like this that put morale down even further. So when we are told we will get a written warning for showing some national pride you can understand why we get a little bit ****ed off with the management.

nfs6600

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

:tu::tu::tu:

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

What part of it do you not understand? No-one is telling you you'll get a warning for showing national pride - what they are saying is whilst at work you are to be professional. Isn't that plain to see?

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

I can imagine being annoyed at all that is going on.

However, can you understand that for those of us who do not work for NTL (and who may have a dress code at work), it seems a little silly to complain about not being able to have a flag on your van (which many people find naff regardless of whatever team they support)?

It's a friggin company. They deal with the public. Many members of the public don't like football and find all the footie madness quite irritating. Surely a company is allowed to ask of their staff to not annoy the customers they visit?

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Likewise, you could consider changing employer.

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

I understand all of it mate, I just think that it's a little rich treating us this way after what has/is been going on in the company.

It's the world cup!! I for one will be going into work drapped in an England Flag

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

The company has rules - you were made aware of them when you took up employment.

And if that is against company policy then you can expect to be dealt with accordingly.

Not everyone is as hot as you about the World Cup remember ;)

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

It doesn't mention i can't wear a flag. I'm office based anyway, the place is decorated with England flags. :)

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

In that case fill your boots :D

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

The original plan was to wear just the flag, but then I think I would definetly get sacked :D

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

We are meant to be decorating our workplace for the world cup - but then we're not customer facing, i can see how onsite engineers have to stick to the dress code.

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Does anyone know why ntl sponsored both Celtic AND Rangers?

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

For a laugh to see what happens when they play against eachother? Plus aren't they both the most watched teams?

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

I s'pose it's because it would maximise the potential number of customers (I am, of course, assuming that Celtic and Rangers have the largest number of supporters in Scotland). When you couple that with the fact that, until this season, they were always the 2 Scottish teams in Europe, then it kind of makes sense.

Don't forget - at the same time, they were also sponsoring Newcastle and Villa (dunno why though, they weren't going to get any European coverage there :disturbd: )

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Both teams were sponsored due to political reasons.

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Both wrong - but thanks for responding.

TBH I can't remember which team ntl sponsored originally, but for the sake of it, we'll say Rangers.

ntl signed a sponsorship deal with Rangers, so Rangers start wearing ntl footie shirts. ntl then, over the next few months, receive and incredible amount of cancellation requests - from Celtic fans who are also customers, and furious customers at that. So furious, that they will not pay money for services from a company that supports their arch rivals.....

ntl could not back out of the Rangers deal (all signed and sealed), so what could they do to save their customer base from taking a fairly decent whack? Sponsor Celtic too. I swear, this is all true.

So my theory about the flags is that maybe ntl don't wan't a mass exodus like that again, and also don'twant to **** any customers off that don't support England. :shrug:

Plus they do look a bit twatty. My other half has them for his car which I refuse to be seen in unless he removes the flags before hand. I love England and will be wearing my t-shirt on match days, and hopefully drinking too. But there really is no need for the flags and stuff on your work vehicles IMO. :shrug:

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Thanks for that OB - I've actually learnt something today :D

Oh, and can I just say that I agree with you about the flags as well :)

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

hmm, actually
Asian = a person born in asia, that could be black, white, red, yellow, infact any shade of human this world comes in.

i havent read this full thread yet, but it seems many people are quite willing to talk about the cost to NTL but refuse to admit that any company (with sensible restrictions such as fitters comeing to the door to install etc), might find far better production per worker, per hour if people are allowed display and within reason participate in the pride and excitment around the WC in working hours, many english people do assume that its a BRITISH thing rather than a english thing, after all many people switch to other british teams as others fall, whoever that might be.

theres far more to loose in production time/cost if your baned from participating british sports fun than any miniscule fleet wide fual costs, your average agreeved driver will hammer the van in response for instance.

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i dont know what the UK based call centers are laying on, but a while ago there was a (i think) a 'back to the floor' program all about how a CEO went to their outsourced call center in other country, and it appears that there, at least, the call centers lay on monthly 'fun days' with fancy dress and everything, including raffles for BIG TV's, fridges, motor bikes and evry concevable applience, purely to keep ,moral as high possible and keep their highly prized workers putting in the effort to increase company profits.

wonder if the UK will ever get a clue and see the benifits.

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they got a good rate on the advertising space?

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Both deals done on the same date by the looks of things

http://www.ntl.com/mediacentre/press/display.asp?id=261

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

I don't think thats the case. I remember it being a joint deal.

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Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/somerset/5051162.stm

Looks like those bl**dy English are getting their own back at us;)

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

You can't be on ntl if that link's working for you ;)

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Works perfectly fine for me.

Thanks for that Druchii:tu:

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

Ah - it's decided to work now :)

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

ROTFL
look at the front page, nice or what
http://www.ntlworld.com/

wonder if the web master will get a written warning, or doesnt that count as its advertising
and bringing in the cash?.

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

There seems to be a mysterious dissapearance of previously mentioned "Red and White" flags all of a sudden.Any one know why?HA!:D :D :D :D :D

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

:rofl:

Re: No flags allowed on ntl/TW vans
 

The police are to spend millions investigating the sudden over night disappearance of millions of England flags. Early leads point to a criminal mastermind who might be from Sweden and has connections in Portugal.