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ok thanks for clearing that up i assume this is them

https://www.tat-14.com/

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its a I splipped on the keyboard thing coupled with me energy about posting that me is now a manager at freeserve as of tonight and me well pleased.

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well done good luck in your new position :tu: :)

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Promotion or new job ?

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promotion after 6 weeks :eek: to Team leader.

Thanks for the thanks :erm:

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Oh look...another NTL DNS outage.....what a surprise!! :rolleyes:

How many more are we customers suppose to put up with?? This must be the third time within 3 months!!!

I suppose you would get the typical response from NTL....these technical problems are beyond our control and we apologise for the inconvience....same old tiresome response!

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Congratulations shows that NTL let the good ones go. Freeserve have found someone who will help them become a better company focused on the customers can only be good for both company and customers.

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:shrug: this is bigger than NTL sorry most ISPs are affected by it. Dial up and BB and could go on for a while.

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ya ha :yawn: twas a rather large outage caused by a failure in the bt/at&t tat-14 trans atlantic link fibres.

It affected most of the uk ip traffic, ntl its seems are back up and running, no doubt due to the fact they may have routed traffic through thier own trans atlantic link only. If this is the case and tat-14 is still down expect at the bare minimum 2-4 weeks slowness.

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Oops!!! Just seen earlier the status page and nothing said about a transatlantic outage.....stuck my big foot in it! :dozey: :D

Only got home from work at 1am and missed all the commotion. ;)

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My apologies, was only updates from this site that enabled me to sort out a defence statement for freeserve.

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Still down in Stafford when I left for work this morning (8.00am)

Hope its fixed by the time I get home


Andy

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all up and running in worthing, i had to reboot the set top box this morning before it worked though... :dunce:

what would we do without this site? :shrug:

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If this is the case, how come I can browse fine using a proxy on a port other than 80, and how come I can grab a full 128KB/s from a US news server?

Its something to do with the transparent caches and DNS, not a fibre link!

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I suspect NTL routed much of the traffic over the failed cable. I also had problems with my Pipex dial up account. I suspect that by using a 3rd party proxy, the route from you to the proxy did not go via the failed cable, and the route from the proxy to the sites you wished to visit also did not go via the failed cable. i.e. you diverted around the problem :)

Just my opinion

Alan

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well if anybody is interested in the tat-14 cable try here
http://www.ntt.com/NEWS_RELEASE_E/gl...98/980902.html

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I was led to believe that if one or more parts of the internet infrastruscture fails then the traffic automatically gets rerouted elsewhere. This robustness was supposed to be a feature of the internet. Obviously not in the case of last night. The traffic must be being rerouted now as the main cable is still supposed to be knackered. Why did it take so long for the major ISPs to intervene and manually introduce a workaround? Who knows, but you can bet questions are being asked and hopefully they will have a better plan in future so that this sort of failure does not cause such a massive outage again (and pigs will fly over the NTL offices).

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apparently lightning does strike twice...

As TAT-14 is a dual, bi-directional ring of cable, a single serious fault should not be enough to break it, as traffic would still be able to flow between the countries on the ring. Unfortunately, a part of the cable near the US coast had already suffered a technical fault earlier this month, which meant there was no built-in redundancy to cope with Tuesday's failure. According to BT, the US-side fault should be fixed by the end of this week, which will bring the cable network online again.

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My feelings exactly, congrats mate, maybe I'll choose Freeserve in January now if they are that good at spotting talent ;)

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http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,39020330,39118125,00.htm

""France Telecom will send a cable ship out to fix and repair the problem," said a BT spokesman, adding that the cause of the problem is not known. It's also not clear how long the fault will take to repair. "

:erm: How far is it to America and how does the ship find the fault? I hope it doesn't have to examine every bit of the cable - could take months :) It'll be sharks - should kill more of them ;)

Oddly enough, for me, everything is working faster than it's ever worked before :confused:

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OH F#CK :rolleyes:


Doe's it have to be a French ship. Do they have any idea what there doing :erm:

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http://www.globalmarinesystems.com/s...tion_tat14.htm

Hell of a long cable :Yikes:

Surface Lay: 8,900 km by Global Marine
System Total 15,203 km
Burial: 3,438 km by Global Marine
System Total 3,885 km

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AHHHHHHHH the internet is breaking down - the time for mass panic has come

:p

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/me slaps dq1

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Thanks, for a moment there I thought we would revert to an agrarian society :LOL:

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I may just have to confront the fact that I have no life :cry:

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from your zdnet source

"According to BT, a member of the consortium, the disruption occurred between France and the Netherlands and disrupted a range of telecommunication services. "

Here's a map,

http://www.ntt.com/NEWS_RELEASE_E/gl...ges/980902.gif

They don't have to go trawing across the atlantic, just up the north sea...

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The dangers of skim reading :) Any witty ideas as to what caused the break then? Earthquakes are out because our plate is fairly stable. No sharks to speak of - well, very few. Maybe a barrel of radioactive waste dropped on the cable? The Irish trying to tunnel out?

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Could be a container that fell overboard and touched down on top of it, 20,000 fall overboard each year!

Must take some interesting skill sets to repair it. Do you pull it off the ground to examine it, or send a submersible to look at it. Do you send divers down to repair it? You can hardly spot weld it, or pull it up?

It kinda makes sense that the break happened along a coastline, the water is shallower and more likely to shift at the bottom, the cable across the mid atlantic is probably exactly where it was first laid.

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well nice to see that it wasn't just me who had problems yesterday...our BB was completely down last night...and speaking to someone i work to today heres was also (she lives in the same village)....she's having some problems with her phoneline etc, so have directed her to this site :D

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My BB connection has stopped working again :( Too fed up to investigate further. My Pipex Dial account is working though. Good thing i'm going out shortly.

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a map of cyber space

Half way down you will see the map which shows TAT-13 coming off the point in Brittany near Brest

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Does anybody try and recover those containers and/or their contents? Might take up scuba diving :D

They lift the cable from the bottom and look at it. That must mean an awful lot of slack in the cable though, which will make it tricky to find the cable and/or the broken bit. Not sure how they find it - maybe sonar or the radiation given off by the cable.

If it's just off the coast the authorities might want to check Ebay for cheap lengths of very thick cable :rofl:

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One would imagine that the fibre could be located by gps very easily, they lift the fibre and split it and they run tests back to the base station to identifiy if they have a the right bit. I also think they can light the fibre in such away that gives them a rough idea where the fault is.

This is all highly interesting stuff, I'm learning heaps about the internet. :geek:

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i really,really wanted to rep you for this but i can't because i have to go rep a few people before repping you again.
right who wants a point?

incog.

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Fibre cannot be easily joined if the cable has been snagged by something it would probably need replacement due to ingress of seawater.

Usually cables are buried there are tools avaiable during laying that dig cables into the sea bed.

Out sheaths are usually armoured so would withstand damage

link

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I guess that any imperfections in the cable medium that allows the light to bounce would lead to tiny variations in the angle at which the light bounces. This would make the cable less fault tolerant so something like a shift in the cable would cause a failure. I bet it's like fixing fairy lights. I wonder if they use any search algorithms to speed up the search or do they just start at one end and work their way along? Any deep sea fibre optic repair persons out there who can "enlighten" us? :)

I'm not sure how accurate GPS is. I remember reading about it being out by a few meters, which is fine when you have line of sight but not when the thing you want is 100's of feet under water!

Agree - interesting stuff <adjusts glasses> :)

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If the M.O.D were a truthful bunch of people (which they are not) put your money on a submarine causing it. It`s been done before, several times.

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Try these Here or Here or here

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Cable Repair vessel Here (they 'recover' - drag up - the cable)