Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

So regardless of a newspaper citing a reputable source, because you 'know better' then you'll refuse to accept that you might be wrong?

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

Care to explain that one, or is it just a lame attempt at humour?

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

No, I'm saying no newspaper - barring maybe the BNP news - routinely identifies people convicted of crimes by their religion. So how can someone suggest crime is caused by British born Muslims? It's what I said before and it's what I'm saying now. And it's not difficult to understand the point, unless you choose not to.
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Pretty straightforward. The Daily Mail, whilst undoubtedly producing a features section which appeals more than any other to women readers, also rejoices in their subjugation through celebration of their 'traditional' role, wholesale dismissal of a feminist agenda etc.

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

No, I'm sure I understand just fine. However I'm kind of wondering why you seem to strongly stand by what you say when it's easily proven wrong by remembering that most if not all the national newspapers identified the appropriate London bombers as being British born Muslims.

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

Well if you'd read my previous post [EDIT: Post #62] correctly then you'd see that I did qualify it with by saying they would only refer where it was relevant to the crime committed. The point is quite simple - a burglar, say, will not be identified as a British born Muslim because it is of know relevance.. That being the case how can someone state most crime in the area is caused by British born Muslims on the basis of news reports? The answer is, if course, they can't.

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

Except when they report on a census - I know for a fact that the Western Mail produced a report about 2 years ago which showed how much crime was commited/reported in the South Wales area when the purportator was British born along with their ethnic 'status' whether Muslim, white European etc.

It's quite maddening that I can't find the link but I'll keep looking.

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

Well apparently we can't use Census evidence in this debate :rolleyes:

That would be the one time you might see such reporting, I'll happily concede. Well not too happily you understand. But if the Nelson Leader has done such a thing - or indeed the vast majority of local newspapers - I will eat my hoodie!

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

I seem to remember reading something similar a few years ago, I thought it was the South Wales Argus though. I have a feeling there was a lot of fuss from some readers in letters the following weeks accusing the newspaper of being racist because they had reported facts.

PS: I'm sure that was just over 3 years ago when I was at ntl.

I did dig around a while ago, my contact in a barristers chamber in Swansea seemed to think the details of ethnic origin was not a statistic available outside the courts these days.

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

And victims of crime? Any concern that ethnic minority groups are more likley to be victims?

"In 2002/03, adults from a Mixed race or Asian background were more likely than those from other ethnic groups to be victims of crime in England and Wales. Almost half (46 per cent) of adults of Mixed race had been the victim of a crime in the previous 12 months. This compared with 30 per cent of Asians. Black adults and those from the †˜Chinese or otherââ‚ƚ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢ group experienced similar levels of crime to White people." For example
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=467

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

Are we trying to detract from the point about the perpetrators of crime? Perhaps the crimes against minorities were committed by minorities? Does that make them more or less acceptable?

Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

Latest figs here. A quite worrying article.

The most worrying stat is this:

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Re: Dutch to ban the wearing of the Burka?
 

Very interesting Basa. Good post. :tu: