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We have a couple of shops in our main street. Used to be R S McColls and another newsagent. Pakistanis' took them over a few years ago. Nothing wrong with that in my book, except the shops have gone from nice clean shops to complete middens. I don't know if its a cultural thing or a business thing but most of these shops are a total mess and not very clean. Probably a business decision I guess.

To be honest I don't care what colour, race, religion, sexuality people are, all I want is to be served with a smile and treated well when I'm handing my money over.

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I think that Defiant is just repeating what he and many that he knows are seeing with their own eyes. I have conversations like this every week with police, social workers, teachers, parole officers etc.

These people that I speak to are not prejudiced, they just notice patterns of criminal behaviour being repeated over and over by (but obviously not confined to) certain ethnic groups.
Obviously we have our own home grown criminal types but do we really need to import other cultures criminal tendencies?

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Well I have conversations with the police, social workers and teachers every day and im sorry but the ones that i speak to are pretty certain about there views, that we do not have some kind of massive immigrant problem...raping our women and murdering our men :rolleyes:

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erm... you are exagerating a bit there. We are not talking about raping and murdering. More mundane crimes like shoplifting, fraud, mugging and violence.

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Just like the rest of the UKs offending population then. You make it sound as if it is only asylum seekers that do this. I admite yes, there is a criminal element within the asylum seeker community.....but hey...who cares???? its to be expected !! there is an element of criminality in any community.

What annoys me is that they all seem to be getting tarred with the same brush!!

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People that work with asylum seekers every day, other workers in criminal justice!!
People that do research on immigration and todays social problems.....issues surrounding oppression, racial abuse, crime etc
Issues that I have to know about and write about and research around.

You see, I dont just talk to some guy down at the pub .......

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I can honestly say I have never been in a pub that has a room which has the name "vault" outside it!

Is it an English thing?
Here in sunny Scotland sometimes if its posh we have a place called a "lounge".

Hmmmm a Vault eh???.....its conjouring up all kind of images......whips and chains....screaming........dog fights...leering men with no teeth arguing about todays issues.

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I previously stated that it is not just assylum seekers that commit crimes!

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Don't have pubs with Vaults in down south either. Well, not vaults they advertise...

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[QUOTE=RamrodThese people that I speak to are not prejudiced, they just notice patterns of criminal behaviour being repeated over and over by (but obviously not confined to) certain ethnic groups.
Obviously we have our own home grown criminal types but do we really need to import other cultures criminal tendencies?[/QUOTE]


Ah yes, Sorry i see now!

Your saying that black people commit more crimes than white people?

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[QUOTE=aliferste][QUOTE=RamrodThese people that I speak to are not prejudiced, they just notice patterns of criminal behaviour being repeated over and over by (but obviously not confined to) certain ethnic groups.
Obviously we have our own home grown criminal types but do we really need to import other cultures criminal tendencies?[/QUOTE]lol,(if you want me to be specific) I'm saying that a fair few Nigerians go in for fraud, a lot of Kosovans carry knives and arn't shy in using them and a lot of Romanys seem to go in for begging and pickpocketing.
Thats not rasict or prejudiced, It's just personal observation and what various police and other public servants have told me.
That is of course a generalisation but I bet that the law abiding people from those communities would agree with me.

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But Ramrod........The exact same can be said for white people as well, just as many white people are into fraud, pickpocketing and begging etc than there black people. Im not disputing that there ARE black people etc into all that criminal behaviour..
Its just that [B]you[B] seem to notice it more.......possibly because you have admitted to being "racist".......which i might add is a very brave thing to do and i respect you for admitting it even if i think you are misguided.

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The conviction rate is certainly higher. If you'll forgive me pre-empting what I think you're thinking, to put this down to police persecution and racist juries is surely as simplistic as trying to suggest that the offending rate is identical when 'black' people and 'white' people are compared.

There are compelling and unacceptable social reasons why offending rates are higher among black people, but I think the unqualified statement that 'black people commit more crimes than white people' is sadly true.

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I can see what you are saying but if I am told of a black person involved in a credit card scam or stealing identities or even that good old e-mail scam and I ask 'was it Nigerians?' I get told 'yes' quite often. Of course you get British beggars but have you been on the tube lately?- they are outnumbered by Romanys.
As I said before, individuals I get on with/like/admire, groups of individuals are a different beast.

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This is usually the time where i go trailing off to find out exactly what the research says.........I cant be bothered !!

So im gonna let you guys do it

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/

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But the identity and email thing has got nothing to do with the UK crime thingymijjigers !! To be honest if you get conned by them well.........they are playing on peoples greed!!

LOL

Romany homeless people begging in the street!! Possibly through better education they could be helped off the street.

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Ooh Ooh.... before i go to work i thought i would show you this

"The size of the minority ethnic population was 4.6 million in 2001 or 7.9 per cent of the total population of the United Kingdom."
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=273

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I don't think anyone's contesting that fact. What we're talking about at the moment is, do ethnic minority groups commit a disproportionately high proportion of crimes in the UK? (including asylum seekers in that).

As I said, there are doubtless mitigating circumstances, but I don't think there is any doubt that the crime rate is higher among ethnic minorities. Do you disagree?

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i do the majorty of the people in the uk are white am i right ?

so if there are crimes being commited by a black person i believe people will notice it more because of there black skin

anyway back to my point i dont believe there is a big problem in the black community with crime yes there are gangs of black youths etc in various areas of the uk but the same goes for white people as well

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Statistics aren't reported by absolute numbers, they're reported 'per 10,000 population', so you get a balanced picture. I'm having trouble with the ONS website search engine at the mo', so far the best I can link to is school exclusions by ethnic group, here:

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/StatBas...ank=1&Rank=144

from this you can see that in school year 2000-2001, for every 10,000 white kids at a UK school, 13 of them got expelled, but in a sample of the same size of black Carribbean kids, 38 of them got expelled.

So, it is a fact to say that 'proportionately, more black kids get expelled than white kids'.

In the same way, I believe it is a fact to say that proportionately more black people commit crime than white people, altho I've not hit the right page on the ONS site yet ...

Of course, in absolute terms the number of white people in prison is higher than the number of black people, because the population of the UK is about 92% white. But this figure on its own masks the problem. The is a bigger problem among certain ethnic minority groups (not all; note in the school exclusion figures that the rate is lower for asians than for whites). To try to gloss over the problem effectively bars us from finding a solution.

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but thats school age youngsters i was on about a more older age group the 16+ group ill admit one thing some asains i have seen and know are unruely and disruptive outside of school but it does not mean they are criminals

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Very true; I know it's a poor example but I was using it to illustrate statistical reporting methods, not as proof of criminal activity. As I said, I'm still wrestling with the search engine at www.statistics.gov.uk ... anyone having better luck want to post a link to stats relating to crime and ethnic group?

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All these statistics regarding criminal activity by the various racial groups is all very fascinating, but..........

you will note they are all at least two years out of date and I would suggest that IMO the number of immigrants (legal or otherwise) has accelerated in the last few years.

However, even though the above is worrying, it is perhaps the apparent abuse of our social systems (benefits, housing etc. for people who have not contributed to the system) that upsets people as well. The recent case of an immigrant family using legal aid to take the local council to court for not providing adequate housing, springs to mind ... (and yes I know it was thrown out...but our money was still abused).

IMO whilst taking in asylum seekers is all well and good, we should really put our own people first, i.e. people who were born here and work(ed) here. We have enough of a problem with 'our own' without importing more problems.

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It's all very interesting, but what you have to work out what the constant of proportionality is here? Is it the bad behaviour of the black children or racism, or something else?


What ever it is, it still doesn't mean anyone should vote BNP! :nono:

Still no one has told me how the BNP will change all the issues raised in this thread, we all know what issues there are but there aren't many with WORKABLE answers.

Defiant, you still haven't told me HOW they plan on changing things :rolleyes:

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What I want to know in this case is, who put them up to it? It's for certain they didn't arrive in the UK fully aware of the possibility that they could sue a council if their stairs were too steep. There are some crazy libertarian types out there who seem hell-bent on helping people abuse the system from the moment they arrive in the UK.

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There are a large number of 'help' organisations in all large towns specifically to help immigrants get the most out of their local (and national) councils. They are invariably run by ex. immigrant individuals who 'know' the system from experience.

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But what you say dosn't dispute what I said. So are you agreeing that I have a point?

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I don't think there is a big problem either but there is probably a bigger problem than the white community has. Anyway, I'm not talking about black and white here, I'm talking about Nigerian scams, Romanian pickpockets and knife carrying Kosovans.

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I certainly agree with you on this ... BNP out. Who knows what other odious policies of discrimination they might unleash if they ever got into power.

In discussing statistics I'm trying to establish a frameweork for debate. It has been my experience in the past that some of the so-called do-gooders are so focused on achieving racial harmony that they will do anything they can to deny there is a significant problem in the first place. They would like it to be declared 'racist' to even point out that there is proportionately a higher crime rate amongst black people. They spend a lot of energy campaigning to have the Metropolitan Police declared 'institutionally racist' yet we don't hear them expending nearly so much energy highlighting London's serious black crime problem.

This prevents us properly understanding the problem and arriving at a solution. If we are to fully tackle the issue, no area of discussion can be out of bounds.

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towny, i agree mostly. However, some of your claims cannot be left unquestioned. Though blacks make only about 6% of the national population, they make up FAR more than that in London - probably anywhere up to 50%. London is where most of the crime, which make the statistics dis-proportionate on a national scale, happens - i'd also like to know how disproportionate the statistics are for London only. If you exclude London blacks from the national statistics, those crime statistics would not be as dis-proportionate, if at all.
Also, wealth has not been taken into account. Its an obvious fact that wealth and income has an affect on crime. Compare whites on the same income as blacks with the amount of crime commited - i've searched high and wide for such statistics, to no avail.
Finally, however cliched it is, police predjudice, competence, efficiency and racial profiling has to be taken into account. Compare number of random searches and stoppings in white districts, with black. Number of charges, number of arrests, corruption etc etc.

But what people must understand, yet unfortunetly plenty dont - or choose not to, is that merely because blacks may commit more crime than whites proportionatley, does not make a black any more likely to commit crime than his white counterpart.

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I'm with you on that Towny!

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So what? What point are you making here?

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That has to be the most idiotic comment i've witnessed all day.
My point is clear and obvious. Read it again, instead of asking tedious questions which can be answered by the use of your own eyes. I know you have intelligence, the paragraph isnt hard to comphrehend.

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I dont know why colour always has to come into it, we're talking about immigrants here, not all of them are black.

And I think a Immigrant is more likely to commit crime than a Person Like ourselves, as they' dont have anything to lose really.

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Steve_NTL, the original thread subject was on the BNP, not immigrants. Colour has everything to do with it.

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Isn't the massive majority of assylum seekers young single men ?

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yep and they traveled through all of europe to get here, funny i thought europe was safe.

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No need to be rude m8. Maby I didn't phrase my question correctly. I just don't understand why you are making that paticular point.

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Yea in principle i agree.But it still means nothing though .......just because people in Algeria or wherever it is try there hand at an email scam :rolleyes:

Its like saying the Russians are always losing plutonium. Thats all i hear but i know the UK and US do as well. bad example but if you think about it you will see :)

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I understand that......there is not something in a black persons genes that make them want to commit crime more than white people :)

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Actually, if you are talking about asylum seekers then they are more likely to be the victims of crime rather than the perpetrators!!!

Immigrants on the other hand.....well ......they have become an immigrant because they have a skill that the country likes or needs. I would say they have got more to lose. You would very rarely ever get a poorly educated economic migrant!

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You are getting confused about what an economic migrant is. An economic migrant is just someone who moves to another country motivated by economic reasons. Not for what he can offer another country but for what it can offer him/her.

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and credit card scams and fraud.....but thats just pure coincidence of course!

Or like saying Afghans carry guns.....hang on they bloody do you know! Or like saying Russians like vodka....oh wait, they do!
We are not dealing in absolutes here, there will always be exeptions but there are certain generalisations that can be observed in some cases......the English like beer, the French wine, it would be silly to ignore what is plainly noticable.

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So those hordes of young male illegal immigrants waiting in France to hide on trucks and sneak over the channel are mostly well educated individuals?! Go to Gravesend or Broadstairs or Dover and have a look!

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To be a proper economic migrant there are tests that you must pass. Anyone can apply to this country if they have the skill.
Its like this......in a few years time....i want to move to canada for a few years as the money is better and the standard of living is higher. When i go there i wil be an economic migrant.I will apply and say what skills and qualifications i have...they will grade me accordingly and i may get allowed in for a set period of time so i can get a job!

Its just the same the other way around

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Read my post about what an economic migrant is please!!
I know you posted this when i was posting mine :)

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And Rastafarians and Ganja............oh but wait ......millions of white people smoke ganja as well......its a bit like thousands of white people are involved in criminal activity.....so its exactly the same!!

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rotflmao....but ganga is central to the rastafarian faith isn't it, so they all smoke it? So that is a very good example of what I was saying.

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I agree but you said 'to be a proper economic migrant'. These guys are not that.

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Precisely. Remember people, the BNP's definition of Immigrants includes everyone who isn't white and don't have parents from Britain.

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As luck would have it my last patient tonight was a policeman who works in Kennington. I asked him if any ethnic group was more likely to be found commiting fraud here and he instantly replied: "Oh god yes! Nigerians, they're notorious for fraud Just ask any dss fraud investigator!"

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You should have asked him which profession was most likely to eat donuts or take bribes. What would his answer have been then?

And by the way, your comments are interesting (or rather, the way you worded them in order to propogate your opinion). Why would he say "Oh God yes!" unless you'd already suggested Nigerians? Secondly, you ought to spell God with a capital G. Thirdly, there is no such thing as a Nigerian ethnic group. Fourthly, "just ask any dss fraud investigator!" - yeah, because they just happen to be around reguarly. Either the cop is a stereotypical moron, you're exaggerating and/or bull****ing totally or pigs have begun to fly (pardon the pun)......

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Yea well...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lawrence/S...941167,00.html


:)

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/

there aint no Nigerian there:)

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What's that got to do with this discussion?


But if you want to ask I would have to guess that Americans eat the most donuts (per capita) and the inhabitants of one of either an African/Indian or former Soviet country take the most bribes. I did used to know what the most corrupt country on earth was but I've forgotten, sorry.




Why is it ok to say something like 'Germans, per capita, drink the most beer in the world' but you take offence if people say that Nigerians seem to commit a lot of fraud?:confused:

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erm...the first is about the Steven Lawrence affair and police racism and the second is a form to use to report a benefit cheat. Are you sure you got the correct links:confused:

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1. I said profession, not country, not continent, i said profession.
2. India is a country, not a continent.
3. Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth.

My question has everything to do with the discussion. My point being, would the policeman be so quick to make such abrupt comments if it affected him?
You're a white, male and hetrosexual right? So i'll ask you this question in the same vain as the one on fraud which you asked to the policeman:

In the UK, is there any group found to be more likely to commit acts of peadophillia?

As for the German thing..........find me evidence of where i've condoned anything like that and i'll answer.

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Well yea.....i didnt realise i had to spell it out :dunce:

You see, what i was insinuating was that the police are institutionally racist anyway, therefore no wonder a policeman would come out with a statement like that.....you see now??

The other link was about the fact that if there was so many Nigerians defrauding the DSS the surely they would have alittle box saying "Nigerian" It would save time :)

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Sorry, quite right. Why did you say profession?:confused: We are talking about ethnic groups...
I meant the Indian sub-continent (that is rather nit-picky)
So you are saying that Pakistanis are the most corrupt people on earth?

Huh? Whats that got to do with anything? I am sure that a Nigerian would lament the sorry state of the morals prevalent amongst his fellow Nigerians.
Absolutely, white males. Whats your point?

erm....what?:confused:

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You know thats a funny question.
In all the anti racist, anti sexism and anti just about every form of oppression training i have done......and believe you me.....in the last 15 years I have done absolutely sht loads....that is one question that always comes up.


A white male does not think about what it is like to be a white male in this society. In other words they do not think about the extra life chances that they get.....because they are not black or female. Because black and female people are so oppressed BY white males they fight all the harder ......um does that make sense? Its a tricky concept to grasp!

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So you are assuming that the policeman that I spoke to is a racist? Just because he is a policeman. You are apparently assuming that all policemen are racists. That is one hell of an assumption. In comparison my assertion that certain groups are more likely to commit certain crimes seems quite tame.
Come off it.

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I dont need to assume anything..........the Macpherson report backs me up :)
Dont think anything had really moved forward since then !

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That's not a tricky concept, it's a bitch, it's not right, it needs changing.:afire:

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I've already told you.

No, i'm saying that according to the statistics you were talking about (which were released last year), Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth.

Why do you keep asking "what?" when the answer is right infront of you?
Indeed they would, but thats not what i said or implied. Not all Nigerians are men by the way.

I've already told you it. But i'll elaborate; for many, stereotyping, profiling and the like is alot easier to others, and much harder to swallow when its closer to home.

Find me evidence of the hypocrisy you claim i have.

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So, on the basis of that report, do you assert that all policemen are racist?

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I doubt the policeman he speaks of even exists.

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well please tell me again, I am genuinly all at sea here.



and since pakistan is mainly populated by pakistanis.....



please spell it out to me then, stop messing about.
there you go nit-picking again. Please assume that I mean his/her whenever I refer to his.


It's not hard to swallow, it's a fact of life. I have learnt to accept and deal with it. The fact that white males are more likely to be paedophiles (and you accept this) should open your eyes to the possibility that black male Nigerians (for instance) are more likely to commit fraud.



Do you accept that Germans drink lots of beer?

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HMmmmm thats a tricky one............I wouldnt say that all POLICEMAN are racist......but i would certainly say the actual institution was racist. :)

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So you are saying that I'm a liar?

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but I am being told that the policemans views are such because he is a racist.....which he isn't he is a really nice chap who told me about something that he encounters during the course of his job. Thats all.

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mmm, been reading your posts, all very passionate.
Consider a few points
Ask your self why are the polices racist?. Is it because most of the grief they get comes from "minority" groups.
I had a friend who worked in Brixton nick as a civvy, the ethnics account for 1/3 of the population in Brixton but commit 87% of the crime. People stereotype-fact, live with it!.
Also, you think the white people here are racist, try visiting these eastern european countries!!, just ask the black footballers in the english team!.
Also, with immigration your missing the point, the govement are letting these people in to deliberatly force the wages of the common man down. Building sites hire Albanians etc for half as much as they pay an Englishman (Note; I am not suggesting colour here, I have black mates who call themselves English!). The BNP suck and are just preying on peoples fears, but if the mainstream politicle parties do not do something to stem the tide of new immigrants to this country then the rise of these sick extreme parties will continue!!. There is growing resentment amomg the silent majority, and unfortunatley, the BNP appears to be a voice for them. Take Croydon for example, its awash with eastern europeans, and to fund it the council have increased there council tax by 135%!!, and they wonder why there is resentment!, even the blacks in Croydon are getting edgy!.
The BNP is not the answer though

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please excuse my many spelling and gramaticle errors

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It's a messed up situation...

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As i said: My point being, would the policeman be so quick to make such abrupt comments if it affected him? - his profession is a policeman.

Yes, and since Pakistan has a very high population and all the corruption in the statistics is based on the middle class ie those with power then the statistics dont reflect Pakistani's in general. Especially as i assume when we say "Pakistani" we're also including expatriates.

If you cant understand what it has to do with the discussion already, then no amount of spelling will help.

Theres no conclusive evidence to prove the above statement true.

Same as above.

You need to understand the difference:
Because Nigerians may commit more fraud, does not mean a Nigerian is any more likely to commit fraud over a Cameroonian. Being Nigerian doesnt automatically up the chance.
And because white males may commit more acts of peadophillia, does not mean a white male is any more likely to over a black male. Being white and male doesnt automatically up the chance.
That goes back to my comment before, which you couldnt comphrehend earlier.

Not really. Certainly no more than the average country. This is a weird example you've given..........you'd be better saying Americans or Irishmen ;)

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Probably the same as mine, whats your point?

I'm just saying what he said. picky, picky, picky. and ...picky I've met a few! Whats your point? so it's allrigth to insult a policeman? So you are saying I'm lying?:afire:

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No, i'm saying that i think you are - it doesnt mean you actually are. Theres that comphrehension thing again ;)

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Yes, why wouldnt it be?

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Picky again. You say that you think that I am a liar. So in effect you are saying that I am a liar. In addition you are taking the mick. If you have run out of decent arguments just say so.

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Are you serious that it's allright to insult a policeman?

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Just out of cusiosity, wher do you live Ezenden??

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oops, another typo error

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He would be quick to say that there are racist elements in the force.

That really is squirming. So you are now saying that middle class Pakistanis (in Pakistan) are the most corrupt people in the world?



Nevertheless, please try.



Come off it, of course white males are more likely to be paedophiles. . You were trying to get me to say that in the first place. Don't backpedal on me here.



I know, taken as an individual no person is more likely to do anything more than another. Statistics 101. But taken as a group, which is what we are talking about, things are different.



Fine, lets say Americans or Irishmen....

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Anyhow Ezenden, I'm off to play a spot of Mohaa before bed. Argue some more tomorrow.

Night all:)

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You can call it picky all you want. But those differences, erm make the world of difference. If i meant to say you're a liar, i would have. I specifically use my words pedantically for this precise reason.

On duty, without provocation? No.
On duty, with provocation? Yes.
Off duty, yes. Now either your policeman client (assuming he exists ;)) was off duty, or he really is a moron by taking liberties while he's being paid to work - paid with our money i might add ;).

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That really is ignoring my answer and responding with another question.
I'm saying that the middle class (those with power, as already said - the minority of Pakistanis) are the ones which make up most of the corruption in Pakistan. Which is why Pakistanis as a people cannot be considered corrupt. Which is what i said before, and answers your original question.

See below for a sarcastic answer. If you're intelligent enough, which i should think you are, then you'll work it out.

Erm, no i wasnt. I was giving an example of what its like when the shoe is on the other foot.

Well thats mostly my point. So why did you question it when i said it before?
But unfortunetly, some people find it hard to differentiate between a group and an individual.

Huh? Whats that got to do with anything?

Heres another clue (infact, the answer): double standards.

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About racict elements in the police

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3174810.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/3208678.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/3208310.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3209606.stm

Oh dear on dear........just wait till you see what is going to be on th enews tonight !

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Where has Defiant gone?

I want to know more about these "vaults" !!!

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Go to any true British pub and you have a vualt entrance and a lounge entrance. They dont have them abroad thats what must have thrown you

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So you think I am lying...thanks:rolleyes:


He was off duty (as all my patients are when they see me)
So you are insulting him without ever meeting him and getting to know him, on the basis of a report about police as a whole. But you, on the other hand, think I am wrong to say that Nigerians seem to be involved in a lot of fraud? Note, I am not saying that all Nigerians are involved in fraud or even that a majority are. Just that a lot of cases of fraud here involve Nigerians.

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It is terrible, but that does not make the officer that I am talking about a racist and neither does it dispel the observation that Nigerians seem to go in for more than their fair share of fraud.

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Yes, as i've already said. Please stop making me repeat myself, its incredibly tedious, and i'm surprised you even care what i think.


No, i'm insulting him based on what he said (or what you infact said, he said). But as i doubt he even exists, and if he does exist then i doubt he said what you claim then its pretty irrelevant. I doubt he said what you claim because i doubt a policeman (a competent one) would speak in such a tone and manner. Unless they were speaking in private to a close friend.

"Oh god yes! Nigerians, they're notorious for fraud Just ask any dss fraud investigator!" - these are not the words of a competent, intelligent or mature policeman.

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What are you talking about? I go into British pubs all the time....none of them have vaults!!

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:rolleyes:



He was just speaking as he saw it, and yes, I have known him for a few years.
I don't understand why It's allright to say something like 'white males seem to make up the largest section of paedophiles' But it's not all right to make a comment (based on experience) about Nigerians and fraud!
....and it's all right for you to say that Pakistan is the most corrupt country on earth (even if it is just the 'middle class Pakistanis')
....and it's all right for you to tar allpolicemen with the same brush.
It seems as if it's one rule for you and another one for me!

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Then their must not be any old style pubs were you live

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Ramrod.....do YOU know what Defiant is going on about with these "vaults"
Now hes talking about going on holiday abroad......usually i find in spain and places like that the pubs are kinda similar......stools and stuff.....sometimes you get karaoke rooms ~shudder~ but no "Vaults"

I need this cleared up about these "vaults" in intriged.......I go down to Birmingham a lot and go to pubs there and have never seen this "vault" phenomenon!!

A quick search on google found

http://images.google.com/images?q=va...=Google+Search

Which pretty much summed up what i thought......although i thought they should be abit more gritty!!!

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They all are round here. One of the pubs I drink in has a sign proudly proclaiming it to have opened in 1645. Maybe it's a Salford/Manchester thing, we just don't seem to get them around London.

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Eh???

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&i...=Google+Search

nothing there !!!!

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Does it have a "vault" ???

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We have a pub called the Vaults in town, but not every pub has them, not even in my mums village where the pubs are 300+ years old :cool:

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I've never heard of 'vaults' in connection with pubs.

I've certainly never heard of them in connection with the BNP ... this is that off topic thing again isn't it? Can I talk about roses again? ;)

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The vaults tend to be the rooms were the pool table and darts are