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Nice of you, actually, you used it on someone else, not me, I used it against you and I was pounced on by a mod, so I'll apologize for that. I never use abusive language on here nor in everyday life, I think it shows a weakness of character. Though I wouldn't have thought the phrase "grow up" was at all offensive.

My concern is there should be some balance, I for one cannot accept the use of vulgar and abusive language, even though Neil might feel justified in abusing someone, as a mod he should set an example, so his knuckles should be rapped.

Even a teacher of English can have a bad day.

:spin:
:cool:

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*has a mental image of Knuckles carefully wrapped in festive paper, topped with a litle bow......


(looks at his coffee cup :erm: )

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Wish I had the nerve to post stuff like that ... but when I pick up other folks' spelling mine usually goes to pot all at the same thyme :D

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as much as I like Neil, I did think his response was a bit over the top. In your suggestion you did say "I think" which is as much as saying "in my opinion" and in fairness it'd be a fair assumption/opinion that this information could have been obtained via the moderators.

anyway, we now know that there is someone who has access rights called ASHG and this man has already proved this week that he can not be trusted.

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Hmm, if I was accused of possibly being responsible for someone being sacked then I think I'd be a bit pi$$ed off and swear a bit too.

Why dont y'all give over changing the topic of the thread & discussing Neils annoyance at being one of the accused of the deed & keep it about the sacking problem. Being a mod does not mean that you have to give up all rights to being an ordinary person.

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I dont believe the moderators on .com had anything to do with releasing details, it was of course ashg wasnt it. He has access to every single record on their forum now, including those from before Frank sold the site to ntl, which if I recall correctly was not part of the deal and Mr Ryan stated this when he posted on .com once.

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How many times can I say it. I apologise for making the mistake when I thought the moderators would be needed to obtain the IP of the person posting on the nthellworld.com forum. All it required though was for me to be corrected, not abused and sworn at.

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That's correct Zoombini, thank you.

However, to anyone who was offended by my remarks (Including Nor), I am sorry.

Please understand that in a situation like this, mud can stick, & making bold sweeping posts like that could easily ruin the trust I have built with NTHW.com over the last 3 years.

I can understand someone jumping to conclusions, & saying "Well Neil/Ben/Mick have the ability to check info-has anyone asked them if they know anything about it?", but no one asked me/us anything, all that happened was that Nor (may have been someone else also-so I'm not blaming Nor solely) said "I think it must have been the mods" & that is neither true nor fair.

Sorry for dragging this off topic, all yours.

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Why thank you Neil! You didn't want me moderating you there now did you?? ;)

The misunderstanding has been cleared up, people have apologised, so please can we have this back on topic, fankyoo :)

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I have already moderated his swearing :D

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There was no 'think' involved in the accusation etc - to quote nor - 'The moderators were then clearly involved in tracing this person and finding out where they lived.'....post #43 I think...

:rolleyes:

edit sorry for dragging off topic again - only just read the posts asking to get back on topic...

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Nice to drag it back up once it was sorted OB. I corrected what I said there in a further post if you check back. I can only keep apologising for making the mistake for so long, how many more times do you want me to apologise ?

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You dont, its sorted now. Now, Can we get back on topic? :)

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If what Neil says is true, then it's likely Ash G's take over of the server was prompted by ntlrebel's post, not Frank posting his grivence letter.

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What utter bollox, if ntl wanted to get information off a site which is hosted on one of their servers they could quite easily do so and have done so as it seems without having ot go to a mod on the site!!

If ntlrebels post is so bad why the **** is it still there to read? Think back to when gooner4life posted on .com abt Broadband Plus that thread the next morning got pulled, why? becasue it was info he/she shouldn't of posted. This has not happened in this case has it?

What happened to ntlrebel and Frank are 2 seperate things and you shouldn't confuse them.

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You should ask ntl why they are still there to read.

And exactly how do you think ntl would get access to the information?

You think they are dumb enough to let anyone who works there have access to the server?

In the first instance they'd ask the mod team, failing that, they'd have to get clearance from senior management to get control of the machine.

What happened this week? Co-incidence I think not :rolleyes:

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If ntlrebels post is so bad why the **** is it still there to read? Think back to when gooner4life posted on .com abt Broadband Plus that thread the next morning got pulled, why? becasue it was info he/she shouldn't of posted. This has not happened in this case has it?

<snip>QUOTE]

Can you do me a favour and post a link to it?

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This secret product, soon to be launched isn't a working Interactive service is it :p
I know, I know
:notopic:

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That's not a secret. It's just "coming soon" :drool:

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I know that is true about problems taking an external legal adviser into the meeting, I know of a case where a manager in ntl was suspended with full pay whilst they were investigationg his case following a complaint from a junior manager about him. the company kept messing the suspended manager about by cancelling his appointment at the last moment, this happened a few times and I was told that he and his solicitor were on their way to one arranged meeting and it got cancelled. The end result was that ntl made such a big balls up that they paid the guy a claimed 6 figure sum.

The person was boasting about it because he couldn't beleive how stupid the company were by playing right into his hands.

wether the guy deserved his suspension/sacking is not for me to comment. :eeek:

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yea, its that broadband plus thingy.....cats already out of the bag on that one....

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Personal view? I think what was posted was extremely foolhardy. It was clearly written from the perspective of an employee, appeared to be giving advice in a semi-official capacity, and then went on to insult colleagues.

Did it deserve the sack? I hate to see anyone get the sack, and I particularly hate to see someone who has clearly been highly customer focused (by way of offering help on nthw in their own time) lose their job. This was probably a mistake made in the heat of the moment...though the poster says they stand by the remarks. I feel desperately sorry for the person concerned, but having been in precisely this situation in the past with a past employer, I can honestly say that the outcome was never going to be any different from the moment the send button was pressed. Big companies take a stance on this sort of thing.

The other two 'charges' are possibly irrelevant, it's the 'bringing the company into disrepute' that's the killer...you just don't do it!

I'm not taking sides here...I'm being realistic.

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But I don't get it - I often posted on .com about the nuggets in CS who knew nothing about the internet and whenever a customer called up and mentioned the word (even if it was something like "How much does BB cost") they'd just pass them straight through to us, and the worst that happened to me was a TL asked me to take it down.

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I think there's a line to be drawn between posting privately and posting as a recognised ntl employee.

Either that or you were lucky/had an understanding tl/etc:D

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If it was so bad though why is it still there ? They've said its so serious it warrants someone losing their career for and yet they don't seem to deem it serious enough to remove it from the message board ?

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I have no idea...I am not a mod over there. It was just my personal comment on the situation, for what it's worth.

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Actually it was one of the Callcentre managers who told me to take it down and then put a note up on the intranet about what kind of image inter-department bickering causes. I was posting as a tech and a mod, they knew who I was.

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I guess it will all depend how far up the chain of command it goes. perhaps a senior director manager saw the recent events...who knows? :rolleyes:

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Im sorry to say I agree with Bifta AND this above.

If the information was "Public Knowledge" prior and you can prove that in a tribunal then you have a chance of throwing out the claim EXCEPT for the gross misconduct and disrepute charge.

1. Misconduct for infering that the intelligence of NTL staff is that of a monkey (irrespective that some people may agree) and

2. Disrepute because by doing 1 above you called the name of the company into question.

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Dime Bar! I mean, of course, 'senior director or manager!

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I have read this post with intreast, I personally think from a customer point of view it looks worse on the company for letting it get this far in the first place. I dont work for ntl and will be the first to admit i know nothing about them but I get the general feeling from both boards and all forums they treat the staff as simply numbers (these are my personal notes and not meant to offend anyone).

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How do you bring a company which has 3 protest sites, has been into chapter 11 bankruptcy and is notorious for poor treatment of customers into disrepute though?

Hard to do what they are eminently capable of doing for themselves. and go to great pains to advertise the fact....

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And the countless employees and ex-employees that have received very bad treatment, not to mention cases where ntl have paid instead of going to court over "sacking/unfair dismissal cases"

ntl bring themselves into disrepute through their own actions entirely. :Peace:

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It's one thing in knowing it and another is saying or writing it.

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It is fine speaking your mind on issues, but there is a time when you have to bite your lip and go with what has been said or done.

I have always spoke my mind, but lately I have learned that in certain situations it is better to follow office politics and keep stum, especially if it could cost you your job.

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sometimes we have to put our families first and just try to do our best whilst following the company line.teachers quite frequently have to go with the flow even if we do heavily disagree with the direction in which we are being pushed.

such is life.it's always one compromise after another with the occasional small triumph.

incog. :)