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Well the statement implies they were identifiable, otherwise why bother noting it.
Still, I guess it doesnt actually state that, so maybe not.

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I've not seen any information about a funeral, maybe this can't go ahead as her body may be needed as evidence, but the trial is set for next year!

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The coroner will release her for burial, though it will be a little delayed under the circumstances. He may not permit cremation. They certainly won’t hold her in a mortuary until after the trial, there’s simply no need for it.

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Claim that the spirit of Anne Widdicombe has made communication from the world of spirit to pass on information, including that she has said hello to Margaret Thatcher in passing. She is also said to have said not to take things at face value regarding her murder and that he didn't act alone:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=db4nRz...NvbWJlIA%3D%3D

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ffs…

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indeed.

I first read the post around 2am, had a 'slight' Victor Meldrew moment, then sat 5 minutes wondering how to compose a reply that wouldn't come across as too derogatory and insulting . . and in the end just left it.

It's 2026, we no longer burn witches, but I'd gladly bring it back for some of those you tube people :erm:

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In England they hanged Witches not burnt them and in the Salem Witch trials they followed English Law and hanged them too . On the continent they burnt them

Wonder is Ann has met any of those . Maybe someone can put the question to her hahaha

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Jeez. Sometimes I'm grateful for people sharing links on here. This fruitcake exploitative video is not one of them.

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We had an environmental 'net zero' emissions law back then too? :shocked:

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Whether the contact is correct or not is up to individual people to decide but, up until the EU decided otherwise, Parliament acknowledged that spirit communication does exist and most (all?) religions believe in an afterlife. The police have in the past used mediums to try and garner information.

I believe as i've seen/heard spirits for donkeys years, but accept it sounds so out of this world (because it is) so as to be preposterous, so it's understandable to be sceptical. It's also healthy to be so because some things can be explained and some people lie or are mistaken for various reasons.

About 50% of people believe in the afterlife as opposed to the other half who don't. Interestingly some who have encountered spirits don't believe in them, whilst some who haven't done do believe in them returning on visitation.

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Citation needed…

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If ghosts exist why are we not over crowded with ghosts? all the ghost cats dogs fleas cows sheep and so on

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What I meant by this was the introduction of the Fraudulent Mediums Act. For some mediums to be fraudulent, there has to be genuine mediums.

I think it became law in the 1950's, but the EU abolished it at some point before Brexit.

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Most people/animals tend to eventually move forward, but some (people) remain Earthbound due to fear of what will happen to them or return on visitation. None take up any physicsl space as such as they are comprised of energy.

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No, it didn’t - It decriminalized mediumship and spiritualist practices, provided they were done in good faith. It made it a specific crime to fraudulently pretend to act as a medium or telepath to make money out of people.

The 1951 Act stated

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga...ted?view=plain

Someone could do it for fun, but not charge for it - that doesn’t recognise it as "real".

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Some people do believe in the afterlife, visitations, spirits (good and bad), voodoo, etc etc.

Possibly the same type of people who believe the Earth is flat, have seen (and been abducted by) Aliens, believe Fairies are real, and truly believe their particular God (and there are many) is listening to them.

To be fair to Richard though, there have been (and will be again) people who commit some horrific crimes that say the voices in their head told them to do it ;)

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This is just a work of art.

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What is?

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Just that entire construction. For some mediums to be fraudulent, there has to be genuine mediums.

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The Act was introduced to prevent people from being ripped off by charlatans pretending to be in contact with spirits, often family. Genuine mediums giving genuine messages wouldn't be prosecuted.

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So, by the same logic "For these £9 notes to be fraudulent, there has to be genuine £9 notes" .... :dozey:

The whole statement is just ... fraudulent. :erm:

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My point is that, if Parliament legislates against fraudulent mediums, they must accept that some are legitimate. If they believed that every medium was fraudulent, they would have made all claims of mediumship illegal.

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I don't think that is what it means at all and it's an incredible act of contortion to try and get it to stretch into that

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I don't understand what you mean.

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is anyone there knock 27 times for yes.....

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And twice for no…

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Yes and the more it's explained to you the less you understand it

You have added additional meaning to the legislation to suit yourself and interpreted it erroneously

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. . and if you're not sure if you are there or not, one of our specialist team of mystic advisory consultants will attempt to get in touch shortly

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I have no issue with those who don't believe that our existence (including that of Anne Widdicombe) continues after 'death', the process is just the same.

Some years ago a friend and I got onto the subject with a retired schoolmaster at his home. He eventually asked for us to change the subject as it was frightening him, so we did of course. Some time later we learnt that he'd 'died'. Whilst visiting a Spiritualist Church (in Pickering IIRC), he came through and said it was just like what I had said.

So, whilst I regretted the fact that we'd frightened him at the time, I was subsequently pleased that the information had helped him continue to the next stage. The life within us is essentially energy and anyone who has studied physics will know that energy can never be destroyed, only changed.

To those who don't believe i'd just say bear it in mind as, when your time comes to leave this Earth, it will hopefully save any fear or confusion (some people aren't even aware that they've 'died' at first)!

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This thread has taken a decidedly weird turn

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ffs redux..

Once again, you take an unproven hypothesis (the life within us is essentially energy) and then use that unproven hypothesis as a basis of the perversion of physics to prove your point.

People don’t ‘die’, they die - if there is such a thing as a soul, it has never been proven to be energy-based, so there is no scientific basis for your proposition…

Don’t take it the wrong way - if you want to believe in Spiritualism, fill your boots; but don’t try to say it’s been agreed by Parliament that it exists or that physics supports your proposition.

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If, when people died, their energy was released . . . all the hospitals and care homes would have energy collectors to reduce their bills ;)

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Love it:p:

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Your posts always make me laugh. :D

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What about other species? Do they also possess this energy?

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Claims to have been in communication with the dead are always so annoyingly vague aren't they?

"....She is also said to have said not to take things at face value regarding her murder and that he didn't act alone"

Why didn't she say something more along the lines of "there were two men, both white, one around six foot, the other shorter and more stocky, the shorter one called the other one 'Dennis'. I got a partial name for the other one, something like 'Dave', oh and at one point one of them called the other 'bruv'! I did glance out of the window and saw a car pull up, there was a third person in the car, remember a partial number plate something, something, something WOK."

Now that would be vastly more useful and compelling evidence, no?

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I can only think of one . . . the Energizer Bunny

https://external-content.duckduckgo....687&ipo=images

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it has to be vague enough to seem slightly credible,that's how the con works

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On the bright side, apparently AW has run into Thatcher, Churchill, Barbara Castle, and the Queen wherever she is (or so the medium says that’s what AW told her).

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Exactly, which was my point. If it were true then give meaningful information rather than vague statements which can and are be made to fit any scenario.

Anyhow, if there ever was an instance of a thread veering off topic, this it is.

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If she bumps into my great grandad, can she ask him where he left the sock full of gold sovereigns that the family never found?

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Hang on, I'm channelling your great grandad now, alas he spent the whole lot on prostitutes and opium dens.

On the other hand, he died happy;)

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Apparently, they cannot influence our choices. We have to make our own decisions (some of which will be mistakes).

The communication isn't as easy as having a telephone conversation, they use allsorts of methods and it isn't always easy for them. I'm sure that we sometimes misinterpret what messages mean and perhaps the memories of the person in spirit are incorrect??

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Apparently, like attracts like, so it's feasible that AW would be attracted to those who had an interest in Parliamentary affairs whilst living here.

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Yes, i've had pets who have 'died' return to visit me as well as people.

Tiny creatures like flies etc are believed to return to spirit collectively.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cv1j3lgrl6gko

Widdecombe suspect charged with planning terror act against Farage.