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Chris 19-06-2025 14:10
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36198214)
There’s another option. It all plays out online via social media.
Deadly :sniper:

:D

mrmistoffelees 19-06-2025 15:01
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Sooooo

The Israeli defence minister states that the Iranian leader can’t be allowed to continue to live because an Iranian missile hits an Israeli hospital. But it’s fine for Israeli missiles to hit hospitals in Gaza and civilian targets in Iran ?

Now the justification for Gaza will be ‘well Hamas historically use hospitals blah blah blah, fine’ but historical doesn’t mean current nor active but didn’t stop them from being bombed senseless killing hundreds of innocent people in the process

I think I also read that Iran was still in negotiations when Israel launched strikes. So to me that reads that Israel doesn’t trust those parties involved in the negotiations? But it’s quite happy to demand their help?

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Israel or more specifically Netanyahu is becoming quite the Harvey Dent

Sephiroth 19-06-2025 16:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198219)
Sooooo

The Israeli defence minister states that the Iranian leader can’t be allowed to continue to live because an Iranian missile hits an Israeli hospital. But it’s fine for Israeli missiles to hit hospitals in Gaza and civilian targets in Iran ?

Now the justification for Gaza will be ‘well Hamas historically use hospitals blah blah blah, fine’ but historical doesn’t mean current nor active but didn’t stop them from being bombed senseless killing hundreds of innocent people in the process

I think I also read that Iran was still in negotiations when Israel launched strikes. So to me that reads that Israel doesn’t trust those parties involved in the negotiations? But it’s quite happy to demand their help?

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Israel or more specifically Netanyahu is becoming quite the Harvey Dent
Do you believe that Iran is developing a nuke? (note the IAEA report).

Do you believe that an Iranian nuke would be used or threatened against Israel?

Do you deplore Iran's policy for the destruction of the State of Israel?

It's useful to note where people stand on the underlying issues (Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah) dedicated to Israel's destruction).

Itshim 19-06-2025 17:15
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Most of the middle east would be happy to see the end of Israel . If they were pro USA, so would donny ,as long as they are anti USA, Israel will be protected.

Chris 19-06-2025 17:18
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36198228)
Most of the middle east would be happy to see the end of Israel . If they were pro USA, so would donny ,as long as they are anti USA, Israel will be protected.
It’s not 1973 any more ;)

Most of the Middle East wants stable government free of Islamist nut-jobs. They see that Israel as an issue is an actual lightning rod for Islamist nut-jobs. They have to *say* they demand Israel stop attacking Iran, but Israel attacking Iran suits them the same as it does when they attack extremists in Hamas and Hezbollah.

Sephiroth 19-06-2025 17:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36198228)
Most of the middle east would be happy to see the end of Israel . If they were pro USA, so would donny ,as long as they are anti USA, Israel will be protected.
And what about you? Wou,ld you be happy to see the end of Israel?

TheDaddy 19-06-2025 17:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198219)
I think I also read that Iran was still in negotiations when Israel launched strikes. So to me that reads that Israel doesn’t trust those parties involved in the negotiations? But it’s quite happy to demand their help?
The also killed the lead negotiator who said he was ready to sign a deal last month...

Quote:
Israel or more specifically Netanyahu is becoming quite the Harvey Dent
Two face will do anything to stay out of prison...

Sephiroth 19-06-2025 18:24
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@TheDaddy. I’m not quarrelling with your observations - but three things:

1/
Do you accept that Iran is lying through its teeth on making a nuke and negotiate as a delaying tactic?

2/
Israel is acting having regard to the IAEA report, which is quite clear about Irans’s nuclear ambitions. Do you agree?

3/
Would you be content to see Israel obliterated?

papa smurf 19-06-2025 18:38
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Looks like Trumps gone TACO on bombing Iran according to Heidi hitler at the white house briefing the president will wait 2 weeks before deciding

Sephiroth 19-06-2025 20:22
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It needs doing. A 30 ton bomb or two into the big Iranian atom centre.

If the Uk craps on its ally for refuelling facilities, I moot that Saudi Arabia might step up.

Dude111 19-06-2025 20:34
Quote:
Originally Posted by peanut
So let me get this straight....

This morning, Trump says unconditional surrender or else. Then Russia steps in and tells the US to back off or else. Trump then says er maybe, maybe not get involved...

Like he thought he's master of the universe and whatever he says goes...
Yup he is a bloody moron who thinks no one will challenge what he says.....

He is making our country look worse and worse and we dont need that.. People who are awake and aware already know how bad this country is! (Im sure you guys do)

There was this business by me that had a sign that every night was on,it said "GOD BLESS THE USA" -- The Day that Donny yelled at Mr Zelensky months back,they turned if off and its been off since!!

mrmistoffelees 19-06-2025 20:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198225)
Do you believe that Iran is developing a nuke? (note the IAEA report).

Do you believe that an Iranian nuke would be used or threatened against Israel?

Do you deplore Iran's policy for the destruction of the State of Israel?

It's useful to note where people stand on the underlying issues (Iran, Hamas, Hezbollah) dedicated to Israel's destruction).
Go and read my earlier post, it’s pretty blatantly obvious how I feel about Iran but that doesn’t mean I can’t call out Israel for what I believe to be immoral actions.

Just how much of a childish mindset do you have to have to believe that by criticising one you’re automatically supporting the other

Sephiroth 19-06-2025 20:43
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The Iranians are a massive bunch of tools , they are however honest with their intentions.

Also, why isn’t the point that the US blocked Israel’s plans to assassinate the chief Iranian tool being discussed ?

I’m not sure Israel’s objectives are just about stopping Iran from a functioning nuclear weapon, that might be the implied objective sure, but if they could implement regime change as well? They wouldn’t say no would they
If this is the post (16-June) to which you are referring, it goes nowhere near answering my question.

This part of the thread is debating the Israel/Iran war. Your position would be properly clarified if you bothered to answer my questions.

papa smurf 19-06-2025 20:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198239)
It needs doing. A 30 ton bomb or two into the big Iranian atom centre.

If the Uk craps on its ally for refuelling facilities, I moot that Saudi Arabia might step up.
Or instead of that gung ho idea we might try diplomacy and de-escalating tensions, it's probably better not to litter the region with more bodies

mrmistoffelees 19-06-2025 21:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198244)



If this is the post (16-June) to which you are referring, it goes nowhere near answering my question.

This part of the thread is debating the Israel/Iran war. Your position would be properly clarified if you bothered to answer my questions.
My word, you would twist on 21.

You’re not daft so If you cannot understand from the above that I’m completely against Iran’s actions then I’d suggest you have a word with yourself

To add , I don’t have to specifically state my objections to one thing to be able to state my objections to something else.Again, the tactics you’re employing are infantile and don’t fit with your normal well reasoned arguments.

Sephiroth 19-06-2025 21:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198246)
Or instead of that gung ho idea we might try diplomacy and de-escalating tensions, it's probably better not to litter the region with more bodies
Don't you think that "de-escalating" just gives Iran more time to fulfil their true objective?

They've been talking for years, hiding things from the IAEA. Surely, the IAEA report carries weight to justify Israel's actions?

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198247)
My word, you would twist on 21.

You’re not daft so If you cannot understand from the above that I’m completely against Iran’s actions then I’d suggest you have a word with yourself

To add , I don’t have to specifically state my objections to one thing to be able to state my objections to something else.Again, the tactics you’re employing are infantile and don’t fit with your normal well reasoned arguments.
Not being daft, I couldn't see that you are completely against Iran's actions.

Now what about Israel's action in their pre-emptive strike in the light of the IAEA report?

Why is it so difficult to get straight answers?

mrmistoffelees 19-06-2025 21:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198248)
Don't you think that "de-escalating" just gives Iran more time to fulfil their true objective?

They've been talking for years, hiding things from the IAEA. Surely, the IAEA report carries weight to justify Israel's actions?

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Not being daft, I couldn't see that you are completely against Iran's actions.

Now what about Israel's action in their pre-emptive strike in the light of the IAEA report?

Why is it so difficult to get straight answers?
You get straight answers , you just don’t like them or they don’t fit your narrative.

TheDaddy 19-06-2025 21:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198246)
Or instead of that gung ho idea we might try diplomacy and de-escalating tensions, it's probably better not to litter the region with more bodies
Seems not to really matter to bibi as long as they're not Jewish, if anyone was ever in doubt about the discrimination in Israeli society you only have to look at these two towns, Tamra, 38000 mainly Arab Israeli residents 0 public bomb shelters and it's neighbour Karmiel 55000 mainly Jewish residents 126 public bomb shelters

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198247)
My word, you would twist on 21.

You’re not daft so If you cannot understand from the above that I’m completely against Iran’s actions then I’d suggest you have a word with yourself

To add , I don’t have to specifically state my objections to one thing to be able to state my objections to something else.Again, the tactics you’re employing are infantile and don’t fit with your normal well reasoned arguments.
Completely agree, although I'm not playing his stupid, childish games for the record

Pierre 19-06-2025 21:49
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36198228)
Most of the middle east would be happy to see the end of Israel . If they were pro USA, so would donny ,as long as they are anti USA, Israel will be protected.
Saudi and the Emirates are quite happy to let Israel destroy Iran, quite happy indeed.

Dude111 20-06-2025 02:13
All this fighting and bickering needs to end before something unreversable happens :(

Sephiroth 20-06-2025 08:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dude111 (Post 36198255)
All this fighting and bickering needs to end before something unreversable happens :(
... Then Iran carries on with its nuke ambitions and something irreversible happens.

Hugh 20-06-2025 09:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198259)
... Then Iran carries on with its nuke ambitions and something irreversible happens.
Or...

Reinstate something like the previous JCPOA, which was working...

Sephiroth 20-06-2025 09:42
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no, it was not working. See the IAEA report for details.

TheDaddy 20-06-2025 11:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198261)
Or...

Reinstate something like the previous JCPOA, which was working...
It was working according to everyone but donnie, also didn't Tulsi Gabbard say in March that Iran was not building a nuclear bomb and the Ayatolla had not authorised the restarting of the nuclear weapons program

Sephiroth 20-06-2025 11:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36198265)
It was working according to everyone but donnie, also didn't Tulsi Gabbard say in March that Iran was not building a nuclear bomb and the Ayatolla had not authorised the restarting of the nuclear weapons program
... and didn't the IAEA indicate the opposite?

Are you really so taken in as to believe that Iran, dedicated to the destruction of Israel, isn't refining all that Uranium for a nuke? Really?

I suspect that you just don't like Israel.

Mr K 20-06-2025 11:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198270)

I suspect that you just don't like Israel.
Being hell bent on genocide, doesn't make you friends.

Hugh 20-06-2025 11:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198262)
no, it was not working. See the IAEA report for details.
The IAEA Report is from May 2025 - I am referring to the previous JCPOA which Trump withdrew from in 2018, when he said he would negotiate a newer, better deal*...

https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-Trump-Israel/

*Reader, he didn't...

mrmistoffelees 20-06-2025 11:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198270)
... and didn't the IAEA indicate the opposite?

Are you really so taken in as to believe that Iran, dedicated to the destruction of Israel, isn't refining all that Uranium for a nuke? Really?

I suspect that you just don't like Israel.
It’s like Netanyahu himself has joined CF

Sephiroth 20-06-2025 11:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36198271)
Being hell bent on genocide, doesn't make you friends.
But what you critics of Israel dodge is answering the question of whether or not Israel should defending itself against the nukes that Iran is building.

You lot (the usual suspects) just cannot bring yourselves to answer that. I think that MrM has managed an answer - but that needed to be dragged from him.

Here's a refresher on recent events:

1. Iran has a publicly stated policy for the destruction of the State of Israel.

2. For years, Hamas and Hezbollah (Iran proxies) have lobbed bombs into Israel's civilian settlements.

3. Oct 7th 2024 was when Hamas cruelly massacred c. 1200 Israelis and kidnapped 250+ more into Gaza.

4. Israel rained retribution onto Hamas Gaza with a huge toll in collateral damage/deaths (that some call "genocide").

5. Israel taught Hezbollah a lesson because they were raining missiles down on Israeli settlements.

6. The IAEA declares Iran to be in breach of it's Uranium enrichment obligations and that they have enough refined Uranium to build several nukes.

7. Israel attacks Iran's nuclear and military infrastructure in totally obvious self defence.

Quite simple, Israel is defending itself against the murderous madness of the Iran regime and its proxies.

Those who can't see that are steeped in dangerous prejudice.



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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198274)
It’s like Netanyahu himself has joined CF
Quite frankly, he and his orthodox nut-jobs can go and do one.

This is about the survival of Israel, the only regional democracy and the home of millions of citizens who want rid of Netanyahu.

Pierre 20-06-2025 11:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36198271)
Being hell bent on genocide, doesn't make you friends.
Which is why Iran doesn't have any.

mrmistoffelees 20-06-2025 11:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198275)
But what you critics of Israel dodge is answering the question of whether or not Israel should defending itself against the nukes that Iran is building.

You lot (the usual suspects) just cannot bring yourselves to answer that. I think that MrM has managed an answer - but that needed to be dragged from him.

Here's a refresher on recent events:

1. Iran has a publicly stated policy for the destruction of the State of Israel.

2. For years, Hamas and Hezbollah (Iran proxies) have lobbed bombs into Israel's civilian settlements.

3. Oct 7th 2024 was when Hamas cruelly massacred c. 1200 Israelis and kidnapped 250+ more into Gaza.

4. Israel rained retribution onto Hamas Gaza with a huge toll in collateral damage/deaths (that some call "genocide").

5. Israel taught Hezbollah a lesson because they were raining missiles down on Israeli settlements.

6. The IAEA declares Iran to be in breach of it's Uranium enrichment obligations and that they have enough refined Uranium to build several nukes.

7. Israel attacks Iran's nuclear and military infrastructure in totally obvious self defence.

Quite simple, Israel is defending itself against the murderous madness of the Iran regime and its proxies.

Those who can't see that are steeped in dangerous prejudice.



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Quite frankly, he and his orthodox nut-jobs can go and do one.

This is about the survival of Israel, the only regional democracy and the home of millions of citizens who want rid of Netanyahu.
So what’s the difference ?

Israeli government full of nut jobs
Iranian government full of nut jobs

One side has killed tens of thousands of innocent people , has been accused of genocide and war crimes

The other side was in discussions around uranium enrichment , Israel decided not good enough and attacked


It it was only the governments impacted that would be impacted I’d say let the lot of them wipe each other out and we could build a nice big center parcs or a riviera

Wait……

Sephiroth 20-06-2025 12:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198279)
So what’s the difference ?

Israeli government full of nut jobs
Iranian government full of nut jobs

One side has killed tens of thousands of innocent people , has been accused of genocide and war crimes

The other side was in discussions around uranium enrichment , Israel decided not good enough and attacked


It it was only the governments impacted that would be impacted I’d say let the lot of them wipe each other out and we could build a nice big center parcs or a riviera

Wait……
Ridiculous. Try treating the subject seriously.

mrmistoffelees 20-06-2025 12:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198280)
Ridiculous. Try treating the subject seriously.
Which bit isn’t correct ?

Has Israel eliminated huge amounts of innocent peoples lives ? Yes, well documented

Has Iran eliminated huge amounts of innocent israeli lives ? No, would they not able to ? Yes

Stop championing Israel when they’re just as big a bunch of shithouses as Iran

You’ve already said that Netanyahu and his cronies are nut jobs, perhaps if that regime was changed (as well as Iran’s ) things may be a little bit more peaceful

Sephiroth 20-06-2025 12:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198281)
Which bit isn’t correct ?

Has Israel eliminated huge amounts of innocent peoples lives ? Yes, well documented

Has Iran eliminated huge amounts of innocent israeli lives ? No, would they not able to ? Yes

Stop championing Israel when they’re just as big a bunch of shithouses as Iran

You’ve already said that Netanyahu and his cronies are nut jobs, perhaps if that regime was changed (as well as Iran’s ) things may be a little bit more peaceful
Whatever. Your approach is completely warped.

mrmistoffelees 20-06-2025 12:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198282)
Whatever. Your approach is completely warped.
No my approach is to take a balanced perspective and realise that there’s blame at both sides.

Now, would you like to answer the question and continue the discussion ? Or shall I just pick up the rattle and put it back into your pram ?

Sephiroth 20-06-2025 12:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198284)
No my approach is to take a balanced perspective and realise that there’s blame at both sides.

Now, would you like to answer the question and continue the discussion ? Or shall I just pick up the rattle and put it back into your pram ?
There are no questions aimed at me. There are questions that you answered.

Irrespective of Israel's heavy toll on Gazan civilians, we are talking about Iran, its nukes programme and Israel's need to defend itself accordingly.

You don't have to like the Israeli regime in order to be objective on this topic.

Paul 20-06-2025 13:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198280)
Ridiculous. Try treating the subject seriously.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198282)
Whatever. Your approach is completely warped.
Thats enough, I have warned multiple times about constant digs at other members.
You are adding nothing useful, just ranting out of control, take a 7 day rest from this topic.

mrmistoffelees 20-06-2025 14:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36198285)
There are no questions aimed at me. There are questions that you answered.

Irrespective of Israel's heavy toll on Gazan civilians, we are talking about Iran, its nukes programme and Israel's need to defend itself accordingly.

You don't have to like the Israeli regime in order to be objective on this topic.
Defending itself from something that doesn’t exist ? It’s like Iraq all over again

Negotiations were in progress , the Israelis’s decided that for whatever reason they weren’t prepared to wait. They attacked, they also wanted regime change

So, in a nutshell Israel don’t trust their allies in negotiation process but they expect said allies to provide military support ? Or else , they must not like Israel

Itshim 20-06-2025 16:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198289)
Defending itself from something that doesn’t exist ? It’s like Iraq all over again

Negotiations were in progress , the Israelis’s decided that for whatever reason they weren’t prepared to wait. They attacked, they also wanted regime change

So, in a nutshell Israel don’t trust their allies in negotiation process but they expect said allies to provide military support ? Or else , they must not like Israel
Don't blame them. Seem to recall Ukraine being told give nuclear weapons and the west will defend them ,that worked out well. Just think how Israel would deal with the UK boat problem bet it wouldn't last that long.

mrmistoffelees 20-06-2025 16:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36198292)
Don't blame them. Seem to recall Ukraine being told give nuclear weapons and the west will defend them ,that worked out well. Just think how Israel would deal with the UK boat problem bet it wouldn't last that long.
I think retrospectively I’d rather have a boat problem than be ok with the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians

Itshim 20-06-2025 19:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198293)
I think retrospectively I’d rather have a boat problem than be ok with the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians
One no one is in danger France, or another country they crossed to get to the channel. Two, at least turn few back and they will soon stop. Tell the French that as soon as they cross the border the boat will be disabled. And pushed back . It's there problem letting them in , in the first place.

Hugh 20-06-2025 19:24
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How would you disable an inflatable boat?

papa smurf 20-06-2025 19:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198298)
How would you disable an inflatable boat?
kick it in the rowlocks :erm:

mrmistoffelees 20-06-2025 19:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36198296)
One no one is in danger France, or another country they crossed to get to the channel. Two, at least turn few back and they will soon stop. Tell the French that as soon as they cross the border the boat will be disabled. And pushed back . It's there problem letting them in , in the first place.
1. There’s no such thing as seeking asylum in the first safe country
2. We had an option to return people to France. That option was removed following the result of the referendum.

Paul 20-06-2025 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198298)
How would you disable an inflatable boat?
Use a pin ?

Hugh 20-06-2025 21:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36198301)
Use a pin ?
That sounds more like "sinking" than "disabling"…

Pierre 20-06-2025 22:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198303)
That sounds more like "sinking" than "disabling"…
Well preventing a boat from being to perform its main function, sure sounds like disabling to me.

Hugh 21-06-2025 15:19
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And what would you do with the boats occupants once you’ve disabled it by sinking it?

Pierre 21-06-2025 15:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198314)
And what would you do with the boats occupants once you’ve disabled it by sinking it?
Well, there’s the genius of using a pin. You can calculate the rate of deflation and advise them they can make it back to France before it sinks, but for every minute they delay, I’m going to put another hole in it.

mrmistoffelees 21-06-2025 15:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36198315)
Well, there’s the genius of using a pin. You can calculate the rate of deflation and advise them they can make it back to France before it sinks, but for every minute they delay, I’m going to put another hole in it.
Show us the calculations :p:

Jaymoss 22-06-2025 06:02
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USA join conflict

https://news.sky.com/story/fordow-is...-iran-13386910

downquark1 22-06-2025 06:28
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So I told you a Trump betrayal was on the cards. This was the US' most justifiable type of intervention, anything else will be harder.

Next, it depends if Iran will escalate in retaliation and if Netanyahu wants to push harder or if Iran will drop it and lick wounds.

Damien 22-06-2025 07:16
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A big part of MAGA and Trump's support was anti-interventionist and anti-war. The Democrats were warmongers, and he was the candidate of peace. It was the excuse some former Democrats, such as Tulsi Gabbard, gave for switching sides.

Gabbard now says Iran would produce a nuclear weapon in weeks after previously saying, in March, they were nowhere near a bomb. So she has flipped.

It's going to be interesting to see who sticks with him and who doesn't now. To be fair, I have seen some of them flip and condemn Trump. There are many now though who suddenly think the US should intervene.

papa smurf 22-06-2025 08:06
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confirmed my suspicion that Trump is insane, so much for no more wars ,he has quite possibly lit the blue touch paper on a shit storm.

Pierre 22-06-2025 08:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36198329)
A big part of MAGA and Trump's support was anti-interventionist and anti-war. The Democrats were warmongers, and he was the candidate of peace. It was the excuse some former Democrats, such as Tulsi Gabbard, gave for switching sides.

Gabbard now says Iran would produce a nuclear weapon in weeks after previously saying, in March, they were nowhere near a bomb. So she has flipped.

It's going to be interesting to see who sticks with him and who doesn't now. To be fair, I have seen some of them flip and condemn Trump. There are many now though who suddenly think the US should intervene.
I don’t the average US citizen gives a monkeys about them dropping bombs in a far away land.

But they absolutely will not accept deployment of troops.

So as long as he sticks to fighting this from 35,000 feet, I think he’ll be fine.

Chris 22-06-2025 08:58
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Incisive analysis as always from the BBC’s Frank Gardner.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1750579115

downquark1 22-06-2025 10:22
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I'm leaning towards Iran will fire some things back and then this will be used to cap the issue. Just need to see what Netanyahu does.

noel43 22-06-2025 15:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36198328)
So I told you a Trump betrayal was on the cards. This was the US' most justifiable type of intervention, anything else will be harder.

Next, it depends if Iran will escalate in retaliation and if Netanyahu wants to push harder or if Iran will drop it and lick wounds.
Cos he did trump anounced at 2 rockets on isreal at 8

Chris 22-06-2025 16:12
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36198328)
So I told you a Trump betrayal was on the cards. This was the US' most justifiable type of intervention, anything else will be harder.

Next, it depends if Iran will escalate in retaliation and if Netanyahu wants to push harder or if Iran will drop it and lick wounds.
Now let’s not overstate your predictive prowess old boy. What you actually said was:

Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36198171)
Trump is very close with Israel and is currently bickering with his anti-war base so it looks like a betrayal may be on the cards.
Which as predictions go is fairly well hedged ;)

It’s certainly true that Trump has betrayed his MAGA base though, and it probably oughtn’t be such a surprise. Trump is a malignant narcissist and ultimately he’s powerless in the face of anything that causes him narcissistic injury. Netanyahu has looked strong and decisive on Iran, and in Trump’s low-brow world view, someone else being strong makes Trump look weak. And he can’t handle that. Hence he immediately started associating himself with what Israel was doing in Iran and talking about what ‘we’ are doing when in reality, until now, US involvement has almost certainly gone no further than a minimal-to-modest contribution to anti-air defence.

downquark1 22-06-2025 16:17
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36198353)
It’s certainly true that Trump has betrayed his MAGA base though, and it probably oughtn’t be such a surprise. Trump is a malignant narcissist and ultimately he’s powerless in the face of anything that causes him narcissistic injury. Netanyahu has looked strong and decisive on Iran, and in Trump’s low-brow world view, someone else being strong makes Trump look weak. And he can’t handle that. Hence he immediately started associating himself with what Israel was doing in Iran and talking about what ‘we’ are doing when in reality, until now, US involvement has almost certainly gone no further than a minimal-to-modest contribution to anti-air defence.
No, this is nonsense. Trump has made contradictory promises to people and Netanyahu has forced the issue so he had to inevitably betray someone.

Just like Musk the other week.

1andrew1 22-06-2025 16:49
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36198335)
Incisive analysis as always from the BBC’s Frank Gardner.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1750579115
If Alan Partridge did conflict analysis. :D

Chris 22-06-2025 17:00
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36198354)
No, this is nonsense. Trump has made contradictory promises to people and Netanyahu has forced the issue so he had to inevitably betray someone.

Just like Musk the other week.
In what way is my analysis of who he has chosen to betray, and why, nonsense? Are you suggesting he’s not a narcissist and/or that his decisions are not best understood with that in mind?

downquark1 22-06-2025 17:20
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36198362)
In what way is my analysis of who he has chosen to betray, and why, nonsense? Are you suggesting he’s not a narcissist and/or that his decisions are not best understood with that in mind?
I remain somewhat agnostic about how much Trump is a genuine narcissist and how much it is a facade. But he didn't do this to look strong, or at least that is not the sole reason, because he now looks weak to his anti-war base. Like Netanyahu's poodle. Iran had not challenged the US directly so he needn't do anything. Either decision can be spun as strong or weak.

Hugh 22-06-2025 21:34
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
https://mid.ru/en/foreign_policy/news/2029109/

Quote:
Russia resolutely condemns the United States’ strikes on several nuclear facilities in the Islamic Republic of Iran, carried out in the early hours of June 22, following recent attacks by Israel.

This reckless decision to launch missile and aerial strikes on the territory of a sovereign state, regardless of the justifications offered, constitutes a blatant violation of international law, the UN Charter, and relevant resolutions by the UN Security Council, which has consistently and unequivocally deemed such actions unacceptable. Particularly concerning is the fact that the strikes were executed by a permanent member of the UN Security Council.
Irony is not merely dead, now its corpse has been run over by a steamroller, thrown into a wood chipper, set on fire, and the ashes were thrown into the air during a gale-force wind…

1andrew1 23-06-2025 08:30
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Looks like Putin's orange poodle has slipped the leash and Netanyahu has adopted him.

You'd almost be mistaken for thinking that Israel was the World Power here and not the USA!

Chris 23-06-2025 08:42
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Trump needs to be associated with strong men because he isn’t one. Right now the draw of Netanyahu is stronger than Putin. But Trump is driven by his need for narcissistic supply so don’t expect him to be loyal to Bibi when circumstances change. He’ll simply head off to wherever he can get his next ego-stroking fix.

papa smurf 23-06-2025 08:52
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36198376)
Trump needs to be associated with strong men because he isn’t one. Right now the draw of Netanyahu is stronger than Putin. But Trump is driven by his need for narcissistic supply so don’t expect him to be loyal to Bibi when circumstances change. He’ll simply head off to wherever he can get his next ego-stroking fix.
It's easy to be strong when you're thousands of miles away from the sharp end

Hugh 23-06-2025 10:03
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198377)
It's easy to be strong when you're thousands of miles away from the sharp end
AKA REMFs…

papa smurf 23-06-2025 11:34
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198378)
AKA REMFs…
exactly

Paul 23-06-2025 12:15
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198378)
AKA REMFs…
and in English ?

mrmistoffelees 23-06-2025 12:32
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36198380)
and in English ?
Offensive term. Used by frontline personnel to describe those away from the front lines in support roles

Rear Echelon Mother and well I’ll let you guess the last bit

Paul 23-06-2025 13:47
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198381)
Offensive term. Used by frontline personnel to describe those away from the front lines in support roles
Ah... Thanks.

RichardCoulter 23-06-2025 17:03
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Looks like Iran daren't do anything to the USA, so have bombed Israel even more in defiance of the instruction by Trump to cease.

Trump is bound to react in some way...

Hugh 23-06-2025 17:05
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...is-2025-06-23/

Quote:
Qatar said it has shut down airspace temporarily as part of measures taken amid developments in the region, a statement by the Qatari foreign ministry said on X.

It said the move comes to ensure safety of residents and visitors.

The shutdown of Qatari airspace comes as Iran repeated earlier threats to retaliate against the United States after strikes on its nuclear sites.

papa smurf 23-06-2025 17:57
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36198387)
Looks like Iran daren't do anything to the USA, so have bombed Israel even more in defiance of the instruction by Trump to cease.

Trump is bound to react in some way...
missiles over Qatar airbase

mrmistoffelees 23-06-2025 17:59
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198390)
missiles over Qatar airbase
Two airbases ? I think sky news said ?

papa smurf 23-06-2025 18:00
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36198391)
Two airbases ? I think sky news said ?
now saying Iraq airbase under attack


air raid sirens in Bahrain


all US bases in middle east now on full alert

Hugh 23-06-2025 18:23
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Handy hint - if you’re going to bomb Uranium Enrichment sites, don’t announce it in advance…

https://archive.ph/xgRO2

Quote:
Where is the stockpile of already enriched uranium now?

We don’t know. IAEA director-general Rafael Mariano Grossi told CNN that “Iran has made no secret that they have protected this material”, and later he confirmed to The New York Times that this meant he believed the material – compact enough to fit in a fleet of cars – had been moved from the Esfahan site.

Satellite images taken last Thursday – two days before the US strike – also revealed there were 16 cargo trucks lined up along the access road leading to the Fordow complex, although what they were there to do is unknown.

Russ 23-06-2025 19:01
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Im no fan of yankland but Iran needs to stay in its lane on this one. Bombing a US base in Qatar is not going to end well for them.

papa smurf 23-06-2025 19:13
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
attack was only on Qatar and was coordinated with USA other reports seem to be just panic,sky news reports



meanwhile donalds no happy

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

·

The sites that we hit in Iran were totally destroyed, and everyone knows it. Only the Fake News would say anything different in order to try and demean, as much as possible — And even they say they were “pretty well destroyed!” Working especially hard on this falsehood is Allison Cooper of Fake News CNN, Dumb Brian L. Roberts, Chairman of “Con”cast, Jonny Karl of ABC Fake News, and always, the Losers of, again, Concast’s NBC Fake News. It never ends with the sleazebags in the Media, and that’s why their Ratings are at an ALL TIME LOW — ZERO CREDIBILITY!

noel43 23-06-2025 20:20
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198399)
attack was only on Qatar and was coordinated with USA other reports seem to be just panic,sky news reports



meanwhile donalds no happy

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump

·

The sites that we hit in Iran were totally destroyed, and everyone knows it. Only the Fake News would say anything different in order to try and demean, as much as possible — And even they say they were “pretty well destroyed!” Working especially hard on this falsehood is Allison Cooper of Fake News CNN, Dumb Brian L. Roberts, Chairman of “Con”cast, Jonny Karl of ABC Fake News, and always, the Losers of, again, Concast’s NBC Fake News. It never ends with the sleazebags in the Media, and that’s why their Ratings are at an ALL TIME LOW — ZERO CREDIBILITY!
You must be <removed>

RichardCoulter 23-06-2025 21:19
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
BBC 6pm news spokeswoman said that this move by Iran is largely symbolic. Iran had to be seen to be retaliating, whilst not daring to attack the USA. Attacking a base outside America with American (and British) soldiers after making sure that the Americans had been forewarned (so that people could be evacuated) is seen as much safer than attacking the USA itself.

She ended by saying that, whether there had been any American casualties, would largely determine what Trump does next.

Damien 23-06-2025 21:24
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Iran has done that before. They did when Israel last hit them a few months ago, firing back in a way that would never cause a problem.

They know they cannot win this and are trying to de-escalate without losing face with their domestic audience, I guess.

downquark1 23-06-2025 21:52
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Now trump is apparently calling for peace.

RichardCoulter 23-06-2025 22:22
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Yes, there were no casualties and, after thanking Iran for giving them advance warning, their missiles were intercepted and there were no casualties. Trump has said that, now Iran has got this out of it's system, the conflict is as good as over.

---------- Post added at 22:22 ---------- Previous post was at 22:21 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36198411)
Iran has done that before. They did when Israel last hit them a few months ago, firing back in a way that would never cause a problem.

They know they cannot win this and are trying to de-escalate without losing face with their domestic audience, I guess.
Exactly.

Paul 23-06-2025 23:08
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36198411)
They know they cannot win this and are trying to de-escalate without losing face with their domestic audience, I guess.
Seems a reasonable guess.
Pick an insignificant base, in a small country thats not going to risk fighting back, warn them, and then make out you "retaliated".

Chris 24-06-2025 00:04
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Yup. Though I imagine they expected Trump to play along, and not tell the world in quite such explicit terms that they let him know what they were going to do. I imagine he thinks it’s a mark of respect, as if they’re treating him like some sort of mafia boss. I doubt he has any concept of how honour/shame works in Iranian culture and politics.

Hugh 24-06-2025 07:08
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
I doubt he has any concept of how honour/shame works in any culture and politics.

papa smurf 24-06-2025 08:17
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
how long before Israel attacks Iran on a matter of "national security" breaking the ceasefire deal

Hugh 24-06-2025 08:21
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36198427)
how long before Israel attacks Iran on a matter of "national security"

From the Washington Post this morning

Quote:
Israel has agreed to the ceasefire proposed by President Donald Trump, it said Tuesday morning. In a statement, the government said it had achieved its military objectives against Iran. “Israel thanks President Trump and the United States for their support in defense and for their participation in removing the Iranian nuclear threat,” the statement said, adding that any ceasefire violations will be met with force.*
*When asked for clarification, the Israeli spokesman stated "this includes "looking at Israel in a funny way", saying "your mum!" to Netanyahu, and "stepping on the cracks on the pavement"…

papa smurf 24-06-2025 08:26
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198428)
From the Washington Post this morning



*When asked for clarification, the Israeli spokesman stated "this includes "looking at Israel in a funny way", saying "your mum!" to Netanyahu, and "stepping on the cracks on the pavement"…
Could be another not worth the paper it's written on deal

Hugh 24-06-2025 09:07
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Well, that didn’t last long…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7z...9aa726d11#post

Quote:
Israeli Defence Minister Israel Katz has just issued a statement, saying he has ordered the Israel Defense Forces to "respond forcefully to Iran's violation of the ceasefire with intense strikes against regime targets in the heart of Tehran".

As a reminder, we haven't seen Iran confirm the attack. Iran's foreign minister said earlier that it would only stop its attacks if Israel did the same.

papa smurf 24-06-2025 09:09
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36198431)
Quick send them a copy of the art of the deal, they clearly haven't read it.

Chris 24-06-2025 10:24
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Trump just needs Marge and the MAGA maniacs to believe he’s won bigly. If he can make them believe he’s caused world peace, whether or not he’s actually done so is a mere detail.

papa smurf 24-06-2025 11:58
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Trump: Israel and Iran both violated ceasefire
Donald Trump says both Israel and Iran have violated the ceasefire in the Middle East.

Speaking to reporters before leaving for the NATO summit in The Hague, he says he's "not happy" with Israel and Iran, before adding he is "really unhappy" with Israel.

Trump adds that Iran's nuclear capacities are "gone" and says Tehran will never rebuild its nuclear programme.

In a subsequent Truth Social post, Trump says it would be a "major violation" if Israel were to drop bombs on Iran now, telling Israel to "bring your pilots home, now".

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-trum...atest-13382979

Trump just lost it with reporters saying the two sides have been fighting for so long they don't know what the F--- they're doing

Paul 24-06-2025 13:23
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Does he have someone to pick his dummy up again afterwards.

1andrew1 24-06-2025 13:29
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36198445)
Does he have someone to pick his dummy up again afterwards.
Maybe we should put out a call on CF for someone to help him? ;)

Damien 24-06-2025 14:16
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
He really is all over the place.

So it seems this has gone like this:
  1. Trump tears up Obama deal in his first term, Iran starts working towards a nuclear weapon again
  2. Trump hits out at Biden and the Democrats over increasing chances of war with Iran
  3. Trump gets back in, wants to sign a deal with Iran to stop them from building nuclear weapons
  4. Israel scuppers deal by bombing Iran
  5. Trump wants credit after Fox News and others praise Israel for those attacks
  6. Trump joins in on the attack, then immediately tries to avoid escalation by stating the attacks were now finished
  7. Iran also tries to avoid escalation - Trump thanks them - declares a ceasefire
  8. Trump is now genuinely angry that it isn't the end of it

It's like a child who can't control their temper and isn't familiar with the concept of consequences.

He doesn't want a conflict with Iran but couldn't control himself from joining in with Israel's attack lest he loses the respect of morons. So, he tries to engineer a situation where he can appear tough while still getting what he wants in the long term. He is now angry that this little escapade might undermine the long-term goal.

1andrew1 24-06-2025 14:29
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
Quote:
Israel strikes back at Iran despite Trump warning

Israel struck Iran despite a warning from Donald Trump not to retaliate against an alleged Iranian breach of a ceasefire, but said it would refrain from further attacks.

Benjamin Netanyahu’s office said on Tuesday afternoon that Israeli forces had hit a radar station near Tehran but would not launch any more assaults following a conversation between the Israeli prime minister and the US president.

Iranian media confirmed that attacks near the capital had occurred.

The strikes came shortly after Trump warned Israel to hold fire against Iran as he accused both sides of violating a US-brokered ceasefire.

“ISRAEL. DO NOT DROP THOSE BOMBS,” the US president wrote on his Truth Social platform. “IF YOU DO IT IS A MAJOR VIOLATION. BRING YOUR PILOTS HOME, NOW!”
https://www.ft.com/content/f44016f4-...2-613e5a6d9e5e

Hugh 24-06-2025 14:37
Re: Israel v Iran conflict
 
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As above…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1750772181

Can’t beat a friendly "plane wave"…

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