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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1732523314

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1732523314

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The Cap increase doesn't ......directly

But indirectly, it makes the removal of the WFA, even harsher.

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I love the moronic idea of “call an election now”.

Unless they get 19m signatures the Labour Party can rightfully say even fewer people oppose them than at the election.

It’s almost as if people were ok with Boris having parties while we couldn’t attend funerals of loved ones and spaffing tens of billions to their mates for equipment that didn’t work.

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The debate arising from that online petition will bee very short;

‘Are you going to hold an election?’
‘No’

It will, hold as much weight as the petition to cancel Article 50 which had 6 million signatures back in the day

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They won't even have a debate on it.

I think it needs to be something Parliament can actually debate, you would debate a Vote of No Confident not an Election, and besides I also believe there is wording that exempts that from being a valid petition.

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It's almost as ridiculous as asking an elected government to "stand aside" for an unelected one.

who would suggest such a thing

https://metro.co.uk/2017/06/09/jerem...pacts-6697112/

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That was stupid as well but saying you'll serve as a minority government isn't the same as having an online petition to call a General Election.

The Tories could make the same offer right now but they would also look ridiculous given the Labour Majority. They could also call a Vote of No Confidence which is how you force an early General Election in this country.

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You need to remember that pensioners cost the government money , the more that die the more they save:shocked:

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i remember a lifetime of tax contributions

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Starmer says there will be no vote so i would prepare for one as he has never told the truth when answering a question.

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I remember just before the pandemic there was a petition to get Brexit reversed which managed 6m signatures and that was laughed aside.

So if this petition fails to get that many then get the Giggle-Gas ready.

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some idiots will try anything

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Iirc the make meal deals £3 again got 2.5 million signatures so there's a fair way to go before it even reaches that and speaking of brexit sir beer should just tell these anti democracy types to stop trying to thwart the will of the people

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like he did for 3 years

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How?

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As a former ukip activist you will know he wanted to overturn the brexit referendum

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Former being the operative word, it was barely this millennium but I have to hold my hands up and say I was immature and selfish back then and looked to blame the Polish for the fact my boss wouldn't give me a payrise, it was only as I grew older that I realised how foolish I'd been to have been taken in by snake oil salesman like Nigel farage, I mean, he wanted a second referendum too and sir beer asking for a confirmation vote on the deal seems eminently sensible considering lord frost has done nothing but moan about it since he finished negotiating it

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He can want as much as he likes, that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. He’s now in prime position to get it reversed (if we’d be accepted back in) but doesn’t seem interested in following that.

So much for him “trying to thwart the will of the people”.

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He's done one of his famous U turns on the EU probably because they've gone far right.

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All politicians do U turns remember

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:angel:

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I was about to say the Poll Tax but looked it up and it was Major who got rid of it. I never thought it went ahead.

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Funnily enough, the following year, she did a U-Turn on defence spending (cutting it, having previously prioritised defence spending over economic policy and financial control), and the year after that (after the Falklands) another one (increasing it)… ;)

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In better news it’s great to see breakfast clubs will be brought in for school kids :tu:

Maybe a donor somewhere is benefiting from this but this is great for low-income families

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What U-turn has he done? He's promising growth but keeping us out of the Single Market which might deliver on this aim.

Is it that he's not signed the trade deal with the US that Brexiters talked up? If so, Trump's tariffs regime is likely to put paid to this pipe dream.

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Has he done any since being in power? I can’t think of any off the top of my head.

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Which U-turn on the EU has he done? Hint: I'm not going to read a lengthy and heavily politicised document on every change in thinking a politician has made in their life time!

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The U-Turn is probably campaigning for a 2nd referendum before the 2019 election and then calling it settled after that election when he became leader.

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He definitely U-Turned on this pledge.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...-lives-voters/

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Good effort

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So when has he followed this?

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The petition is to be debated.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0en07gezrdo

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Well he is in for another 4 years, give him a chance :D

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What's that got to do with Starmer u-turning on the EU? :confused:

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Nothing, the question on whether he has U-turned on "anything" was asked.

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This website is useful to see what has and hasn’t been done in terms of campaign pledges- https://pledgeprogress.co.uk/

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Drats, I was hoping he had seen the route to economic growth.

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you'll need A scanning electron microscope to find any

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What is the difference between, not giving fuel allowances to oaps and not giving this to families that don't need it:confused:

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Really hope his plans work. Based on Labour in Wales., I don't hold out much hope:erm:

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Welsh Labour are a bunch of unreconstructed lefty dinosaurs. The winds of social democratic reform that began blowing through the party from the mid 80s onwards (and found their ultimate expression in Blairism) have yet to get up the Valleys.

Starmer may yet prove competent or he may in fact already have revealed who he really is, but either way neither he nor the UK party are the same beast as what you’re saddled with in Cardiff.

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Perhaps changing its name from Welsh labour , to " we can con you all of the time party" would paint a clearer red line between them , however they are at this time the same party.

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Which low income families don't need it? :confused:

It seems to me that both benefits are now means tested.

The national debt won't be reduced without hard decisions and whoever won power would have to make them.

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So going on that link, he hasn’t u-turned on any pledges, interesting.

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Transport Secretary Louise Haigh resigns after Sky News revealed mobile phone guilty plea


according to GB news she "lost" 3 mobile phones before being sacked from aviva


Government of service,no more sleaze,turn the page blaa blaa blaa :rofl:

a convict in the government whoda thunk it


the incident "raises questions as to why the prime minister appointed Ms Haigh to Cabinet with responsibility for a £30bn budget".

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She got what she deserved, no doubt there.

Still, this government has a LONG way to go to catch up with the last one.

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Who is missing having to have a Cabinet Office investigation, an independent enquiry taking months and the Prime Minister saying no problem, crack on anyway?

MPs are not covered by the Exceptions Order of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act so having a spent conviction is no barrier to becoming an MP. It might be a problem for security clearance but that’s more case by case

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I’m not convinced. The beak gave her a conditional discharge, which means they didn’t think any punishment was necessary. Most likely they decided it was a silly mistake rather than an attempt at criminality but as she had entered a guilty plea they had to proceed on that basis.

I don’t think hounding someone out of their job over a 10-year-old nothing burger says anything positive about the state of our public life or discourse. It’s all rather shouty and poisonous.

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That’s more or less what I was saying. A conditional discharge is still a punishment albeit a ‘suspended’ one. The rumour is she just wanted a newer model phone but that’s wasn’t proven. The court based its judgment on what could be proven - an incorrect report of a lost/stolen handset.

As for her resigning, that’s overblown however this is the way it goes in government. Step down for about 6 months then get appointed in a different role once it has all blown over.

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If this was borris you'd be going nuts about this,
on a personal note i am dissapointed as she was going to legalise e scooters and update the law on underpowered e bikes

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If this was Boris you’d be saying “all politicians are like that”.

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Labour politicians mysteriously get away with so much stuff, even when it public knowledge.

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Keep up mate! She's lost her job over what Chris calls a nothing burger.

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How has she “got away with it”?

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what mobile phone thieves :shrug:

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Fair point - Conservative Ministers just "replace"/forget to back-up/forget the password from their phones when they are needed as evidence in Enquiries… ;)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ld-be-searched

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/article/...bile-st6cnf9k9

https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...sages-12920387

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they're off to a good start

clothing gate
thumping a member of the public
fake CV
fraud conviction
clearly turning the page :rolleyes:

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After a few minuets of carefull consideration a new transport minister has been appointed

https://news.sky.com/story/heidi-ale...-plea-13262817

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If Starmer has been doing French ballroom dancing instead of running the country the Daily Mail will go ballistic.

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Rosie Duffield:sulk:

Sue Gray :Sprint:

Mike Amesbury :bsmack:

Louise Haigh :redcard:

Rachel from Accounts. :naughty:


Please make it stop.

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I think the main problem is her account doesn't add up to me.

It seems that she was mugged. This doesn't appear to be in dispute.

She includes her work phone on the list of items taken.

Her work phone is then turned on and the police notice she has it.

She is questioned and 'on the advice of her lawyer' says no comment.

The case proceeds and she pleads guilty.

Now if she found the phone again and was mistaken about it being stolen then why offer No Comment? Why did the police and CPS proceed with the case? If you're robbed and you mistakenly list an item stolen that wasn't then the police aren't going to go after you for that. They must have had some evidence this was deliberate.

The article from Sky said she lost her job at Aviva over this and that she wanted a new work phone. That seems the most plausible explanation here. She saw a chance to get a new phone and so added that to the list of stolen items and then was done for when it was uncovered.

All I would say is that it was a spent conviction so to resign now over it seems weird unless more is to come out. I guess she didn't want the story to drag on and Labour don't want to go down the Tory route of spending weeks defending someone only to have to fire them later.

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As I see it the problem is sir keir knew all about it . So his judgement is being called into question yet again :rolleyes:

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From my perspective, Sir Keir said that lawbreakers shouldn't be lawmakers. As she broke the law, and this is now widely known, her position is untenable so she resigned. If Sir Keir took one thing from BoJo's mistakes, it would be never to string these things out.

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That is a very cogent, coherent and intelligent take.

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He didnt make any decisions on this, she resigned. Of course, she may have been "advised" to do so.

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Do you have a link to that, please?

Can’t find that in this Sky News article…

https://news.sky.com/story/louise-ha...-game-13263058

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Interesting how Deform fans are far more lenient with their own James McMurdock.

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https://news.sky.com/story/transport...-2014-13262362

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Thanks

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Good to see the Tories speaking up for morals and standards

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once again i have this urge to watch frozen

let it go --let it go :spin:

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Come on, you know the rules. Just doing what the Tory fans did for 14 years.

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You should broaden your mind a bit - take a trip to the cinema and watch Wicked. The song at the end of Act One, Defying Gravity, performs the same narrative function as Let it Go does in Frozen.

Oddly enough Idina Menzel performed Defying Gravity in the original Broadway production of Wicked 10 years before Disney asked her to perform the same sort of song, telling a not dissimilar story, in Frozen. Coincidence? You decide.

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who are you and where is chris

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send help

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:LOL:

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Officers investigating Louise Haigh's "stolen" phone believed a photo she submitted of the handset had been taken after the alleged theft, Sky News has been told.

Two sources said after looking at metadata attached to the photo - information that often details when photos were captured - officers believed it had been taken after the date at which Ms Haigh alleged the phone had been stolen.


https://news.sky.com/story/louise-ha...theft-13263796

not a very clever thief but thankfully was never investigated for eating a slice of cake in the office

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Why do i think this is just the start for her. :D

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The truth will out as they say

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Why do i think this is just the start for her. :D

Once the press smell blood they will never stop, just like the Chancellor :D

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Since when do the po-po ask for a photo for a likeness of a stolen phone? Equally the other day it was referenced the police got in touch when said phone went online - again if I reported my phone nicked I'd expect a crime reference number for insurance purposes and advice to xancel/get a new SIM.

None of this adds up. She's obviously not got a leg to stand on - I'm not claiming that - but there is a massive hole in the entire story.

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Things "not adding up" seems to be a common theme in the explanation of these stories coming out. Rayner, Reeves, Haigh.
Probably best for any Labour MP to stay on the backbenches, in order to avoid too much scrutiny.

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They need to start upgrading their phones, losing their whatsapp messages, learning some useful latin phrases or even look for a handy fridge to shelter in to help with that. :)

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Commons is no place for lawbreakers, send them to the Lords! Or follow the prime minister and don't do what I say , and i,ll just ignore it. Will he ask her to resign her seat , no chance

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Unlike Haigh, I believe Chris's phone has genuinely been stolen. :D

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Erm…she has resigned

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Only as Minister, not as MP.

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Ah right. Well that’s not the done thing is it? The Tories set the standard. Apologise, step down from the cabinet for a few months (but not as an MP) then pop back up when it all blows over. Them’s the rules now!

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I think the commons can be a place for people with a criminal conviction but it should be known by the voters and also spent. If you're breaking the law when you're an MP then you should be out obviously.

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This is going to be a big problem for Labour but also the Tories: https://archive.ph/5JaoM

Elon Musk has more than enough money to completely dominate UK politics which usually doesn't spend anywhere near the levels they're used to in the US. It'll be pocket money for him. It will completely dwarf all the other parties where a couple of million is the typical 'massive' donation. Reform would be Man City to Labour/Tories Norwich city.

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Just shows how dangerous Musk is. No one show have that much wealth with all the power & entitlement that comes with it. You can seen how he helped buy the US presidency for Trump.

We should have a law that donations to UK political parties (over a certain amount) can only come from UK citizens.

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we could call it "the only people that ian aproves of can donate to the parties ian aproves of bill "

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I do think only UK citizens should be able to donate. That's why he is going to work around it but using Twitter's UK business to do it - if he does.

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he could just apply for citizenship, is there any actual proof about this alleged donation?

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ask him to take a photo of it as proof ;)

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Double standards just think what labour would be screaming when in opposition. More to the point it really calls the PMs judgement, if true that he knew all about what happened.

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No, the article is saying that some Tories and businessmen fear it's going to happen. They're not saying what they know as how likely it is.

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He’s certainly dangerous in terms of the aspirations of the leftist parties and their supporters who are doing irretrievable damage to our way of life and our identity.

Typical of you to want our last hope of salvation from establishment politicians whom the people have rejected silenced once and for all.

There will be a massive political swing rightwards at the next General Election if Labour doesn’t ban democracy by then. The right-minded people of this country have had enough.

Reform UK is now the future for us, and thank heavens for that. The future’s bright. The future’s orange…… :angel:

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Bless

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Hyperbolic pish.

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The only question is if the UK is dumb enough to vote in a Trump analog. We will be able to see one possible future for the UK in the the next 4 years in the US. I suspect, the more pragmatic UK electorate will run a mile after watching the coming train wreck. Don't get me wrong, there are those will fall for the snake oil but I'd like to think that most people are educated and well read enough to see through the lies.

The most bizarre thing is that some people think that the Trump/Musk/Farage is the "our last hope of salvation". They are only here for the money - our money in their pockets.

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Might be time for you to cut down on the day time drinking :spin:

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https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...COA/giphy.webp

Like the "right minded" voters of Wokingham did recently, when brave Sir John Redwood bravely ran away?

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We are doomed I tell ye.Doomed!