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Genuine question. Nothing to do with the actual law. If your community, your business, your livelihood, your house, your possessions, your family and your friends were getting hurt, broke, smashed up for no reason whatsoever, would you not snap and take matters in your own hands? These people in the supposed peaceful protests were walking down streets and smashing every car and house they walked past, some I'm guessing with kids in. Maybe, just maybe, the police are just human and are trying to dissolve or discourage them.

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https://x.com/JACKGUYANDERTON/status...I0nZnPpjA&s=19

So intent on peaceful demonstration not one will show their face. Didn't see any police either.

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Just found out that my area is on the list the far-right want to target. Fun.

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Genuine question, if young vulnerable girls had been getting raped, if your community had been decimated within a generation, if wasn’t safe to walk in certain areas or your neighbourhood at night, if you we’re automatically branded racist and far right every time you just wanted a discussion on the number of immigrants flooding into your area. If you were ignored time and again whist the middle and political class looked down on you…..

Would you not snap and take matters into your own hands?

This has been 30 odd years in the making, it’s been there all the time but now certain groups feel emboldened to surface.

There is only one group to blame, the political class and every government from Blair onwards.

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Thanks for ignoring my question.

Everything you have wrote above is not what these riots are about. They aren't protests, it's our dregs of society that are out to cause vandalism and racism. Everything you stated above is happening with white people too. I fear walking the streets, not because of Asians or minorities, but because of criminals that come in all forms of life.

We can have a discussion about immigrants flooding in our country, I've noticed it myself and something does need to be done, but stop trying to kid yourself and others, that these riots is that discussion, it's simply not.

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It’s impossible to have politicians from the “moderate” centre through to the right pander to far right rhetoric for the best part of two decades, not deliver on their promises to cut migration, and expect no consequences.

Decimating public services was a political choice. Just as blaming migrants was. From politicians down to the media. The BBC platforming Farage, Paul Dacre (nominated by Conservative cronies to be chair of OFCOM and knocked back, considered for a peerage) and plenty of others in the revolving door of political parties and the right wing press. These things are neither chance nor an accident.

They’ve relied on this propaganda to further their own careers, keeping people distracted and angry.

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You think?

They are a result of being ignored again and again and again.

It’s been there for years, under the surface. The BNP, UKIP, Brexit, Reform

These didn’t appear because very thing his just hunky dory.

It needed a spark and it got one, and of course violent factions have exploited that.

We can’t that’s the entire point.


Here’s another video you won’t see on the news.

https://x.com/tpointuk/status/1820490998872731660?s=61

Instead of trying to a calming, de-escalating and unifying voice and leader….Starmer has clearly picked a side.

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First few convictions in: https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/...erland-4730388

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Good, anyone engaging in violence, or going equipped to engage in violence, should be prosecuted fully……….anyone and everyone.

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Smash a cop in the face at Manchester Airport get released on bail. Push a wheelie bin at a cop in Sunderland get remanded.

Two tier policing is now a self fulfilling prophecy.

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People are burning down libraries, and trying to burn down hotels with people still in them.

You respond to that with the police and force. It isn't the time for a heart-to-heart with the country.

I think you're also discounting the fact that people just like the thrill of the riot. It was the same in 2011 when people tried to claim it was austerity causing people to riot.

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The decisions here will be like 2011 where people got different sentences than they would otherwise to try and stamp out public disorder. People got sent to prison for looting then whereas if they had stolen the same item in a different context they would likely not even see the inside of a court room.

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Different sentences is going to be a great sell next time some of the underclass are victims of a burglary, mugging, assault or other crimes. The office gives out a crime reference number and a community cop takes a statement 8 days later.

Tommy is probably setting up an excel spreadsheet now to log them all to weaponise in future.

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On the contrary it’s exactly what you do…unless you’re willing to go hard on everyone. The crowds of muslims in Birmingham currently stopping and smashing up cars.

Not a policeman in sight.

They’ve made it clear they will police one demographic only, and all that will do fuel everything further.

You think those muslim gangs don’t like the thrill of beating up a few white dudes? Current evidence suggests they do.

What will happen….as in 2011…..and BLM….we’ll have a week of bad weather. No one is going to riot in the rain. That will take the wind out of it.

And nothing else will change until the next incident in a few months or years that kicks off the next one.

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You get different sentences all the time.

And it's not only the 'underclass' as you call them that get fobbed off with a crime number. I am pretty middle-class and when I got my laptop stolen and my house broken into the same thing happened to me.

The difference here is that these idiots are videotaping their crime sprees so they're easily caught and there is a clear public interest in hitting them hard so that others don't feel these riots are a free for all.

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Yes, you should go hard on everyone. You go for community building and healing when the immediate and current violence stops. What could he possibly say that would reach the kind of violent moron who wants to burn a hotel full of immigrants?

As for Birmingham, I've only seen people tweet stuff on Twitter and that incident with Sky. I would reserve judgment on that until we get to the part where the police start going through videos and identifying people. But those caught on camera committing violent acts should be hauled in front of a court whoever they are.

I think people who are beating others up are doing so because they want to do it. It's literal mob mentality.

There are angry and violent people out there. They just need any excuse to trigger them.

The other thing I would be interested to see is how many people are coked up on these riots. Reminds me of the the Euro 2020 final. So many people seem to want to get drunk, do some lines and then smash stuff up.

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I’m sure everyone gets fobbed off all the time. The difference is you’ve decided the inconsistency is a price worth paying to send them a message. And it might be.

Just don’t be surprised if that message gets lost in translation.

It’s not that hard a sell to say everyone should be equal under the law. Plenty of victims of crime will have been waiting months, even years, to have their day in court.

But nah, someone nicked some crocs out shoe zone in the middle of a riot, it’ll get prioritised and will probably get longer than other serious and violent offences simply because of what she looks like and where she was.

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If you want to talk tiers, that's two-tier sentencing not two-tier policing.

If the rioters and looters wanted a strong indication that the law would come down heavily on them, they only had to look at the sentences handed out to the Just Stop Oil protestors for non-violent disruption.

https://news.sky.com/story/a-dark-da...ailed-13189749

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I know. I've seen enough from my local area to understand walking down random streets smashing every car and window is not about a protest. Some of those houses belonged to white people.

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It’s a two tier justice system from the probability of arrest all the way through to sentencing that has to be seen to be consistent.

I wonder if the police and courts go into overdrive as quickly addressing the trouble in Birmingham tonight, where it appears the police have surrendered the streets. Television footage has people armed with swords and knives. One clearly identifiable I look forward to hearing he’s remanded by Friday.

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https://x.com/patrickchristys/status...-Mzp98c_b3x3sw

https://x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1...-Mzp98c_b3x3sw

https://x.com/archrose90/status/1820...-Mzp98c_b3x3sw

https://x.com/jomickane/status/18205...-Mzp98c_b3x3sw

Give me shout when any of the above is reported on Sky or the BBC, or a politician condemns it.

I think I’ll remain undisturbed this evening.

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All of the violence is talked about on the news. Both sides are wrong. To be fair the people in some videos are clearly reacting to all the white racists going about burning things, looting shops and attacking people.

But it has become less about race or religion and it's now just thugs out looking for trouble.

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

My hunch, and it's only that, is this will go on for days. Undisturbed by police interference they will continue to act with impunity. The type of crime that can't go unreported will happen and it'll be chaos everywhere by the end of the week. Exactly because of the two tier policing being applied.

Hopefully I'm wrong.

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

I’ll stick with my prediction, this will go on until we have a week of bad weather.

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The police are investigating the incidents near the pub: https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1820549553029857284

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Laughable reporting from sky

https://news.sky.com/story/uk-riots-...#liveblog-body

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They won't report on it, but now they are, it's laughable.

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The biggest riot today appears to be Plymouth where the rioters are targeting police. 3 injured so far.

I am beginning to winder, if this escalates, if the army does need to be called in.

Also another reporter on what is happening in Birmingham: https://x.com/JaneRockHouse/status/1820560032972324895

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

Indeed.

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How is it laughable?

You claimed they wouldn't report on it, now they are.

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BBC as well: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly883p5yj8o

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

Why don't you think the police will get involved?

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I was referring to the content

There’s Muslim gangs armed to the teeth in Birmingham going around attacking any white person they find.

Which Sky saw, including a knife wielding muslim that tried to slash their tyres


And they hope they’ll be protected by the police…………laughable

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Either BBC or Sky showed the actual video of them trying to slash the tyre.

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The same reason there weren't any police in Birmingham last night.

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Sadly far right thuggery came to our City in deepest Devon yesterday.:(

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Which political party did they identify as supporting ?

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Couldn't be the same reason as there were police in Birmingham last night.
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...calls-29676851

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Odd that they couldn’t find an actual photo or video footage of police, in particular a large number of police, actually there to apprehend those carrying knives or swords.

Language is important and they’ve clearly done enough to reach the low bar of being able to release a statement. Do you seriously believe that the Birmingham event, as seen in the Sky News video, was appropriately policed?

Are peaceful law abiding people able to go about their business in that area without having their car stopped, damaged, or other threatening behaviour?

It was a mob that acted with impunity. Every chance it will be back tonight.

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Or Sunday august 4th as it states in the article.

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Reform

Conspiracy theory and nationalist groups embraced Reform UK at general election

Surprise, surprise ...

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Gosh with all those different factions supporting them, looks like Farage could be the next PM

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'Our Timmy' is coordinating/stirring from his luxury five star Cyprus bolthole..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2591732.html

They need to do something about the number of immigrants in Cyprus.

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Most Generals opperate away from the front line;)

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Who’d have thought that with the then leader of the opposition saying there’s too much migration and the Labour Party manifesto saying we are spending too much housing asylum seekers in hotels people would have voted for the party with the hardest line on immigration.

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Are you suggesting these rioters are labour voters who feel let down by the government?

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The largest number of people who have whipped this up are inside the M25. In television studios, newsrooms, think tanks, at party headquarters and in Downing Street.

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I don't think saying there is too much migration means you're advocating violence against immigrants. That's giving too much cover for the mob. As Pierre mentioned before if we start conflating the two then you're essentially saying we can't talk about it, making resentment and anger worse.

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l can think of names far more suitable for him but this is a family forum,

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It doesn’t mean you are advocating violence, of course it isn’t, but nobody can be surprised if after two decades of scapegoating migrants that anger boils over.

There’s been a long standing political choice from the centre ground that it’s cheaper to import workers than train people here. That’s where the net migration comes from - not the people on small boat crossings who have been scapegoated as a distraction.

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"scapegoating"? A VERY disproportionately HIGH number of these sorts of attacks are from and/or connected to migrants. Not sure there are that many by white people. The reverse situation wouldn't be tolerated in non-white countries, so why should it in this country?

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Looks like the next target is immigration lawyers: https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status...m51iHPifo6sLYA

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Not many of those causing trouble, assaulting the police, looting, currently in the courts , seem to be immigrants. They come out any time, any excuse for a bit of a fight and crime. They are very home grown.

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Want to look back into the past? Including when a police officer was killed?
Leeds? Southend? Birmingham?
Link

All supported by one(and certainly many other) Labour MP.



I'm referring to seemingly random murders.

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So no worse/better than any other part of the UK community. You might say they've integrated well to our way of life.

Back to Southport, the perpetrator was British born and bred.

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Born to non-British parents. That's why I said "connected to".
Still not sure there's a great number of similar attacks and murders by white people.

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None us are pure Anglo Saxon, and even they are German. The Celts are the only true Brits. Tell Tommy aka Stephen he's a kraut, he'll love you for it.

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https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/18...551031359?s=61

https://x.com/steve_laws_/status/182...856902540?s=61

It was put up, but soon taken down…………..couldn’t possibly understand why.

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Call me old-fashioned, but I prefer stats over random numbers.

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Good shout, my bad, I'll have a look later.

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It’s semantics and there is another thread for Southport, but he was Welsh/ British born yes……but bred no. He parents were Rwandan not British, so I would expect him to have been brought up/ bred in Rwandan culture.

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Or Welsh? You don't know.

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It's on Sky News' twitter account: https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1820549553029857284

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If he went through the British education system and was in a Children in Need advert, he would have been brought up on British culture. With Rwandan parents, doubtless brought up with some of that culture too.

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Indeed

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But Rwanda is a safe country.

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even if that were true what has Rwandan culture to do with anything? A predominantly Christian country.

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Not when his parents fled it wasn’t.

Wonder which side they were on fleeing the genocide or fleeing getting caught for being party to a genocide.

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I mean I bet you could understand why, but you're wrong. Without having to deal with everything that's going on, it's people like you that are now causing the mayhem by making stuff up and stirring the pot.

It's still there.

https://news.sky.com/video/birmingha...nrest-13191564

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You asked if it had been reported on Sky / BBC, no doubt because you thought it was a fiction.

But there it is.

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He may have been exposed to British culture, but there absolutely no guarantee he was brought up on it.


It’s irrelevant anyway, as it’s all speculation.


But, as an observation, we have several generations of some immigrant communities that have been through the British education system and still reject British culture and values and refuse to integrate.

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What are you actually talking about?

I said no such thing. I said either BBC or Sky News were showing it. You then said it had been took down which was a complete lie as its still there.

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We have generations of natives who reject British culture/values, what's your point?

What actually defines British culture & values? it appears to be completely subjective.

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What’s missing is a question mark, or the sentence doesn’t work.


But whatever.

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That was my point.

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Thank you, Nigel, sorry, jfman….

People say you’re stirring things up; I don’t know if that is true but it’s a legitimate question, because it can look as if you are, though perhaps you’re not. And you’ve got to ask: is the ambiguity deliberate? And if it is, what else are you up to? Who knows?’

*h/t Armando Iannucci

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I’ll hold my hands up that was stirring.

Pointing out that migrants have been demonised by Labour and the Conservatives pandering to the bigot vote (in addition to Reform, which arguably is simply the bigot vote) is not.

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It's a statement, of course it works?

Not whatever at all and you still haven't addressed the fact you fully lied about the video being took down.

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I haven’t got time to go though grammar and sentence construction with you

I didn’t lie, to lie I would had to have known I was purposefully saying something I knew to be untrue. Which I wasn’t.

I was under the apprehension that it had been.

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You do have time, you've spent days on here having a discussion.

If you didnt lie, you took someone's word for it because it suits your narrative. It took a 1 minute search to find it was still there.

You are the problem in these situations, stirring things up that simply aren't true. It's dangerous.

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:)

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And? There’s a point to that smiley face is there?

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I’m the problem, not the guy carrying the knife? Go give your head a wobble.

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I didn't say there was only one problem.

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Because you're so predictable ;)

You're not the problem, you don't have the influence but there's others peddling the same mis information/ lies amongst other mistruths that have a far greater reach and they are part of the problem but those snake oil salesmen with their simple solutions to complex issues aren't the answer, fact is politicians for decades have failed large swathes of the country and left them without hope or opportunity

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

We should play a game called “where’s the po-po?” with social media pictures from Birmingham tonight. It’s a bit like Where’s Wally but you’re looking for anyone in a high viz or riot gear. No cash prize but I’ll give a positive rep on the forum.

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Only because the right answer is the one right in front of your face ;)

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Having seen some of the Middlesbrough footage and having a family member very nearly caught up in due to the proximity of where she lives.

To go back Pierre to a point you made earlier about why this is happening. In the case of Middlesbrough it was teenage yobs looking for a fight, nothing to do with marginalised generations

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First idea of the convictions we might see people getting: https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news...sons-car-park/

2 months and a £5,000 fine for smashing the windows of a police car.

Sentence was presumably reduced because he was of previously good character and plead guilty

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Some perspective from the Muslim community:

The Muslim community providing tea and coffee to the Police Officers protecting them.

'They're doing all the wrong things. We don't want to be part of that.' An uncle in Middlesbrough urges Muslims to not descend to the level of these far-right thugs. There are many racists in the media looking to further their demonisation agenda. Don't give them any ammo.

Muslim elders visited the Clumsy Swan in Birmingham last night to apologise to the staff for Muslim youths attacking a customer who they believed was a far-right rioter.

An Imaam telling his congregation to let the Police do their job

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Yes we know, you’ve already made the point.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...1&postcount=93


It’s a nice perspective, there were also gangs from the “Muslim community” brandishing machetes.

There’s decent muslims, we know that. There’s decent people everywhere, most people are decent.

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No different from Keir and Farage condemning the troublemakers. Too little too late.

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Elon, it would seem, is now the official opposition to the U.K. government.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1820804792240734655?s=61


The replies and comments to the above one are quite damning.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1820790297233592361?s=61

https://x.com/rachela1892/status/182...779656849?s=61

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

Since this has turned into the Nigel & Tommy show, I think I will return to the real world for a while ...

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No point defending the indefensible in Labour Party policy to scapegoat migrants. Give it a week to blow over and everyone will be into the Iran-Israel war.

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Seems a bit quieter tonight. I know tomorrow is the day they've got another round of violence coming.

As for Birmingham yesterday there has been one arrest and they're appealing for more information about who the others might be: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...089e412f0f33e6

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I fail to see how trying to blame the current PM and government for this mess makes any sense. They've only been in charge a matter of weeks. Surely the past 14 years of Tory scre are more to blame than a guy just in the door.

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Both parties, in Government and opposition, have been happy to have a go at the dog whistle come election time and fail to deliver on their promises of reducing migration.

Sure, you can’t blame the Starmer government since it took office. Well, other than the backbench MP who said the residents of their town want their Holiday Inn Express back and it was duly torched.

The dividing line is entirely arbitrary between governments with fundamentally the same policy.

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I see what you're trying to do. Apply common sense. It won't do in this day and age;)

This country needs to grow up quickly and realise who the real enemy is ( they aren't on a boat), they're a home grown product of 14 years of the Tories.

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

The real real world, too much for you?

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If the revolution came whose side do you think knight of the realm Keir will be on?

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Let's face it mate, you're continuing a make a bit of a prat of yourself. Trying to have the last word isn't improving things...

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https://x.com/SaulStaniforth/status/1820793598951973027

Just ordinary mainstream politicians discussing migration on ordinary mainstream media. Farage didn't make this the view of ordinary people up and down the country. They did.

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

What is your point exactly??

Attacking mosques and hotels and destroying people's businesses and family is OK because we spend money on immigrants?:confused:

A lot of deflection and whataboutery. Oh look over there:rolleyes:

Re: Uk Riots and Protests (2024)
 

Dear Lord, the devil himself will skate to work before I take any moralising from your good self.

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