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Paul 02-08-2024 22:19

Re: US Election 2024
 
Whatever.

jfman 02-08-2024 22:30

Re: US Election 2024
 
That’s my first bet up for £35 now if she can win in November that’d be another £100 (£20 at 4/1 shortly after the debate fiasco, sadly didn’t add to it when she went back out).

Chris 02-08-2024 22:35

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180399)
That’s my first bet up for £35 now if she can win in November that’d be another £100 (£20 at 4/1 shortly after the debate fiasco, sadly didn’t add to it when she went back out).

Have you got an accumulator going?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180397)
“Selected”. It’s like saying no one objected to Charles being named king.

Having recently been to see Hamilton, I’m confident that very few Americans on either side would agree with you.

jfman 02-08-2024 22:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36180400)
Have you got an accumulator going?

Two seperate bets. The one for Harris to be the nominee was odds on by the time I got round to it. I wobbled on my commitment once more names sounded credible, and it was just to partially cover the outright winner bet.

Pierre 02-08-2024 22:47

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180399)
That’s my first bet up for £35 now if she can win in November that’d be another £100 (£20 at 4/1 shortly after the debate fiasco, sadly didn’t add to it when she went back out).

The media and Google are pushing hard for her. Possibly too hard.

No one asked for her, no one voted for her, she’s done absolutely nothing of note in her tenure as VP.. except being “unburdened by what has been to what might be” and now suddenly she’s a cross between Mother Theresa, Joan of Arc and Rosa Parks.

That said……compared to Biden she’s credible. Trump has lost his assassination bounce and JD Vance, seems to have been met with a luke warm reception.

Still……she needs to pick a VP, and they need to debate ( I hope 2 times).

I think it will be Trump , barring any electoral shenanigans, but it could be close.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36180400)
Have you got an accumulator going?

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Having recently been to see Hamilton, I’m confident that very few Americans on either side would agree with you.

See above, who voted for her? She was appointed, anointed….etc.

For us…not a problem, happens all the time, with royalty and PMs

But not in America. Virtually Everybody in public office is elected.

jfman 02-08-2024 23:01

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Trump is scoring own goal after own goal. Questioning her race is just vile dog whistling. He even offended the crypto bros by telling them good luck with “whatever they’re playing with” undermining what they desperately want - credibility.

I do think he could/should have kept focus on Biden’s suitability to continue, who knew what and when (in the Oval Office, among Cabinet and in the party during primary season). I accept these are contested issues (covered before here I’ve no need to revisit) but as the leader (then) in the polls it was important to keep the Democrats in the spotlight and on the back foot.

That initiative is lost and they’re losing traction going out of their minds being called “weird”, which makes the accusation an almost self-fulfilling prophecy as nobody appears capable of taking it on rationally.

1andrew1 03-08-2024 18:49

Re: US Election 2024
 
As Trump feels under pressure, the more he goes off script and gifts Harris voters. She's looking like the challenger to the previous two presidencies of white old men and Trump an incumbent.

Mr K 03-08-2024 19:05

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180446)
As Trump feels under pressure, the more he goes off script and gifts Harris voters. She's looking like the challenger to the previous two presidencies of white old men and Trump an incumbent.

He's running away from any more debates... Wonder why?

jfman 03-08-2024 19:19

Re: US Election 2024
 
A debate, soon, would potentially be positive for Trump. He needs a reset button to get out of the current rut. Harris PR is doing a great job controlling the narrative.

1andrew1 03-08-2024 21:17

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180447)
He's running away from any more debates... Wonder why?

He's bottled the ABC one but says he'll do one for the station that will go easy on him as it needs the viewers, Fox News.

1andrew1 04-08-2024 08:18

Re: US Election 2024
 
Looks like the Democrats have found an effective angle on Trump and his sidekicks that is hitting home: describing their views as weird.
Quote:

“Some of what he and his running mate are saying, it’s just plain weird,” Harris said during a fundraiser last weekend, as the audience laughed. “I mean, that’s the box you put that in, right?”

Democrats have been trying to portray Trump and his followers as part of an extreme rightwing fringe of American politics for years, including after the January 6 2021 attack on the US Capitol, with mixed success.

But the hardline views on abortion and disparaging comments on women by Trump’s running mate, Ohio senator JD Vance, have highlighted a fresh line of attack from the Democrats. Quips such as Vance’s in a 2021 speech that America was run by “childless cat ladies” have gone viral online, turbocharging the new strategy.

“These are weird people on the other side, they want to take books away, they want to be in your exam room, that’s what it comes down to,” Tim Walz, the Democratic governor of Minnesota and contender to be Harris’s running mate, told MSNBC two days after she entered the race.

An independent Harris supporters group called “Won’t Pac Down” last month launched an ad called “these guys are just weird” that has since gone viral featuring a series of creepy male “Maga Republicans” saying they want the “government way more involved in your sex life”.

Damien 04-08-2024 08:44

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It's odd how effective the 'weird' tag has been for them. Considering all the allegations you can direct at the Republican ticket this one has stuck the most. They can't seem to deal with it without it looking weirder either.

Chris 04-08-2024 09:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180481)
It's odd how effective the 'weird' tag has been for them. Considering all the allegations you can direct at the Republican ticket this one has stuck the most. They can't seem to deal with it without it looking weirder either.

Electrocuting sharks … the late, great, Hannibal Lecter … and wife traumatised by the attempted assassination? That’s ok, it means she loves me.

It works because he *is* weird, and it works on his hangers-on because so many of them previously warned he’d be a disaster if elected again and yet have now fallen trance-like into line.

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Also, last night he held a rally in Georgia and slagged off the state’s republican governor for refusing to find him 11k votes in 2020. Video clips are circulating widely … it obviously didn’t go down well even in an arena full of supposed loyal Trumpettes. Trump is consumed by a need for vengeance to the point where he’s more interested in settling scores rather than winning hearts and minds in places he needs to win and could easily lose in November.

That’s weird.

Clip: https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status...56-Kgau3lzowJw

1andrew1 04-08-2024 09:46

Re: US Election 2024
 
I think the weird tag also works because it plays on Trump's undoubted insecurity and also the insecurities of his supporters.

Mr K 04-08-2024 10:02

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36180486)
I think the weird tag also works because it plays on Trump's undoubted insecurity and also the insecurities of his supporters.

Call Americans anything you like, but never weird or 'stoopid', they really don't like it.

Chris 06-08-2024 15:16

Re: US Election 2024
 
Kamala Harris has chosen Tim Walz as her VP pick. Walz is the one who first coined the phrase ‘these guys are just weird’ which has been driving the MAGAs nuts for weeks now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cleyjp5qldno

denphone 06-08-2024 15:21

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Only my personal opinion but l think he is a good choice.

Damien 06-08-2024 15:48

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Who would have thought calling someone weird would advance your career so much?

jfman 06-08-2024 16:32

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I wanted Pete but I’m didn’t have a strong opinion in favour or against the rest. Wiping the floor with Vance in any debates shouldn’t be beyond anyone of any standing in the Democratic Party.

Hugh 06-08-2024 22:29

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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1722979539

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Seems a bit weird…

jfman 06-08-2024 22:34

Re: US Election 2024
 
I'll be honest that took me 4 attempts to make it all the way through.

The answer is no chance, in case you too forgot he actually starts asking a question.

1andrew1 06-08-2024 22:45

Re: US Election 2024
 
Apparently the latest Trump-baiting from the Democrats is to call the Republican Party the Trump-Vance Party as Trump dislikes it. I'm guessing that Trump doesn't like sharing top billing with Vance!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180779)
I'll be honest that took me 4 attempts to make it all the way through.

The answer is no chance, in case you too forgot he actually starts asking a question.

There's many questions Trump could ask that would do his electoral chances a favour. That demented rambling is not one of them.

Pierre 07-08-2024 01:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36180778)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1722979539

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Seems a bit weird…

Perfectly lucid, my translation services are always available.

GrimUpNorth 07-08-2024 07:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180789)
Perfectly lucid, my translation services are always available.

I see the weird comment went straight over your head.

You do need to try and keep up, spending less time trying to be clever would probably help.

Chris 07-08-2024 10:27

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36180789)
Perfectly lucid, my translation services are always available.

For someone who claims not to care that much, you don’t half love simping for the Donald.

‘Lucid’ is never the word that first springs to mind when attempting to parse anything Trump says. And when you do get to the bottom of it you inevitably find its grievance layered on fantasy and garnished with impotence.

For all he was attacking Biden for being unfit to run for a second term, he genuinely had no contingency plan in place should he get what he said he wanted. Biden is no longer on the ticket yet Trump spends significant amounts of time attacking him or doing some weird cosmic manifesting thing where he dreams up scenarios for getting Biden back on the ticket.

Trump is a malignant narcissist in cognitive decline, consumed by rage, impotence and the fear that when he loses in November there will be nothing he can do to keep himself out of jail. And it is driving him absolutely nuts.

jfman 07-08-2024 10:46

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To be generous, I think he either thought they’d stick with Biden or they’d tear themselves apart picking a new nominee. Harris didn’t poll well before the unifying effort which was expertly done.

I agree there was no contingency plan for a unifying candidate that got a decent bump.

Damien 07-08-2024 11:01

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The new VP nominee talks very well. If there was a primary process he wouldn't have been a bad nominee for the top of the ticket himself.



You look at the energy the Democrats now have and wonder why it took them so long to make this change. It's night and day. Although it's still, probably, marginally in Trump's favour it's a much closer in the polling as well. What a turnaround. Their convention will be so much more energised.

He does a good job of making left-wing positions seem fair enough and normal. Just matter of factly saying women should be in charge of their bodies and others should 'mind their own business' for example.

ianch99 07-08-2024 11:03

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The current polling is interesting. It shows that Harris closed the gap that Trump had over Biden: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...2024/national/

Maybe the Democrats have a chance in November esp. as Trump is visibly rattled by this turnaround.

Chris 07-08-2024 11:13

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36180827)
You look at the energy the Democrats now have and wonder why it took them so long to make this change.

Because it’s an unwritten rule that a sitting president gets to decide whether he’s going for a second term. If he wants to do it, the party doesn’t defenestrate him. However, in this case Biden’s originally-stated intention to be a ‘transitional’ figure was set aside. Most likely, I suspect, at the urging of those close to him who were exercising a very significant amount of influence over him given his evident cognitive decline, and enjoying their taste of executive power. They will have told themselves they could keep making the decisions and as long as they could prop him up in front of a camera from time to time they could make it through another term.

It took them so long to make the change because those who were trying to keep Biden in the race needed to see there was no way he could win before they were willing to accept that their project was only going to result in Trump in the White House. Once they accepted that, they had to talk Biden back down. By the time all this was done it was almost too late.

TheDaddy 07-08-2024 12:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36180825)
For someone who claims not to care that much, you don’t half love simping for the Donald.

Yeah that's weird...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180826)
To be generous, I think he either thought they’d stick with Biden or they’d tear themselves apart picking a new nominee. Harris didn’t poll well before the unifying effort which was expertly done.

I agree there was no contingency plan for a unifying candidate that got a decent bump.

I don't think donny thought Biden would step aside, he can't imagine or process someone putting anyone but themselves first no matter the consequences.

Not going to pretend I knew Tim's name let alone anything about him till he was nominated but based on what I've seen and heard I like him, he's like a cross between Bernie Sanders and John McCain

Pierre 07-08-2024 15:21

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36180799)
I see the weird comment went straight over your head.

You do need to try and keep up, spending less time trying to be clever would probably help.

????

Quote:

For someone who claims not to care that much, you don’t half love simping for the Donald.

‘Lucid’ is never the word that first springs to mind when attempting to parse anything Trump says. And when you do get to the bottom of it you inevitably find its grievance layered on fantasy and garnished with impotence.
Well it was posted tongue in cheek after, my other tongue in cheek translation on the other thread.


https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=854

But you guys seem to be wound up as tight as coiled springs!

So I’ll give you all some space to calm down.

jfman 07-08-2024 20:28

Re: US Election 2024
 
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https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1821260444054519986

jfman 08-08-2024 10:59

Re: US Election 2024
 
Harris is now slight favourite on Skybet. 5/6, with Trump being 10/11.

1andrew1 08-08-2024 19:22

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180921)
Harris is now slight favourite on Skybet. 5/6, with Trump being 10/11.

We now have a two-horse race!

Mr K 08-08-2024 19:49

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36180921)
Harris is now slight favourite on Skybet. 5/6, with Trump being 10/11.

Those odds go to show why bookies always win ;)

jfman 08-08-2024 22:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36180976)
Those odds go to show why bookies always win ;)

Now now, if you think Trump ends up in the slammer and JD Vance is up to it - 80/1. Michelle Obama 50/1. Somehow I think the former is more likely than the latter - out of a list of two things that won’t happen.

(Vance being closer to the top of a ticket, with obvious mechanisms - health another one, if unlikely. MO being top of the ticket at this late stage or winning as a third party seems impossible.)

Hugh 11-08-2024 08:39

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https://wapo.st/4fF67om

Quote:

Trump reiterates claim about helicopter trip but doesn’t provide records

The GOP nominee doubled down on an earlier claim that may instead involve a trip with former California governor Jerry Brown or with a former Los Angeles councilman.

Former president Donald Trump insisted again Friday that he took a dangerous helicopter ride with former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, telling the New York Times that he would release flight records.

Trump, who did not release the records, told reporters at a news conference Thursday that he had ridden in a helicopter with Brown, who dated Vice President Kamala Harris 25 years ago, claiming that Brown had criticized her during the flight.

Brown, who is Black, called Trump’s story “fiction.” Former California governor Jerry Brown, who is White, and the state’s current governor, Gavin Newsom, said they rode in a helicopter with Trump to survey the fire-devastated town of Paradise, Calif., in 2018, but they said Harris was not a topic of conversation and the landing was uneventful.

And late Friday night, Politico reported that Nate Holden, who is Black — a former Los Angeles council member who grew close to Trump when he tried to renovate the historic Ambassador Hotel in the 1990s — said he was the one in a helicopter with Trump when it almost crashed.

Trump claimed in the Times interview that he had “flight records of the helicopter” showing he was with Willie Brown and that he would release the records. The Times reported Trump said he was “probably going to sue” the news organization, according to an article written by longtime Trump reporter Maggie Haberman, and he responded mockingly to a request for the flight records by repeating it in a “singsong” voice.

The Times reported that Trump did not provide the records Friday night. On Saturday, campaign spokesman Steven Cheung shared a photo of a coffee-table book published last year in which Trump mentions the story of the ride with Willie Brown when The Washington Post asked for the helicopter records.

Trump’s dubious account comes less than a month after President Joe Biden, 81, left the presidential race amid concerns over his acuity after a damaging debate performance in June. Trump, 78, told more than 30,000 lies or falsehoods during his presidency and in recent weeks has lashed out as Harris, who is challenging him for the presidency, and who has drawn large crowds and enthusiasm among Democrats.
Background to the story, at the bottom of the same article.

Quote:

During his Thursday news conference, Trump first brought the story up with his usual dramatic flair and insisted the helicopter trip was a dangerous mission.

“I went down in a helicopter with him,” Trump said of Brown at his Florida resort. “We thought maybe this is the end. … So I know him pretty well. I mean, I haven’t seen him in years. But he told me terrible things about her.”

Pierre 11-08-2024 12:01

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Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

1andrew1 11-08-2024 12:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)
Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

The onus is on Trump to prove his story. Flight records may not exist but Trump seemed to think otherwise. But at the very least, a narrow escape like the story he tells would be reported in the press at the time. Which it wasn't.

Hugh 11-08-2024 12:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)
Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

Apparently Trump does…

Quote:

Former president Donald Trump insisted again Friday that he took a dangerous helicopter ride with former San Francisco mayor Willie Brown, telling the New York Times that he would release flight records.
Quote:

Trump claimed in the Times interview that he had “flight records of the helicopter” showing he was with Willie Brown and that he would release the records

TheDaddy 11-08-2024 12:40

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Didn't donny refuse to get in helicopters after the brains behind his taj mahal casino venture were all killed in a helicopter crash in ooh 1989? I'm sure I remember him saying that before he became embroiled in politics?

Pierre 11-08-2024 12:47

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He probably has got it wrong, not exactly watergate though is it?

And the Washington Post, not really playing down the middle are they?

Quote:

Trump, 78, told more than 30,000 lies or falsehoods during his presidency and in recent weeks has lashed out as Harris, who is challenging him for the presidency, and who has drawn large crowds and enthusiasm among Democrats.

Hugh 11-08-2024 12:58

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)
Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

If only he could tell them apart…

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181193)
He probably has got it wrong, not exactly watergate though is it?

And the Washington Post, not really playing down the middle are they?

The supposed point of his, trying not to use the word lie, anecdote about sharing a helicopter with Willie Brown was that Willie Brown shared "dirt" with him about VP Harris - if it didn’t happen, he can’t repeat the supposed ‘dirt’ that he was allegedly told…

Quote:

But he told me terrible things about her.”
Not sure what’s not "playing down the middle" by reporting the fact that Trump told that number of lies, which is relevant to the point that this story is another lie…

Chris 11-08-2024 13:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)
Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

The NTSB might - an incident involving an aircraft in which the occupants’ safety might be at risk must be reported as a matter of law. You would imagine the pilot would keep their own record to prove an incident report was filed as it’s a legal requirement.

Seriously, stop simping for the Donald. It’s weird.

pip08456 11-08-2024 13:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181185)
Whether any of that is true or not.

1. Who would keep flight records of a helicopter trip from 25 yrs ago?

2. At least the article is very specific about who is white and who is black.

The problem is none of it is true!

Pierre 11-08-2024 14:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36181201)
The NTSB might - an incident involving an aircraft in which the occupants’ safety might be at risk must be reported as a matter of law. You would imagine the pilot would keep their own record to prove an incident report was filed as it’s a legal requirement.

Seriously, stop simping for the Donald. It’s weird.

I’m not simping, just querying. Your point about a close call being reported to the NTSB is a decent one.

Also querying the newsworthyness of the story itself.

Just because I’m not going along with everything the anti-Trump narrative is producing is not weird.

What is weird is everyone with TDS gobbling up everything with eager abandon that is spoon fed to them.

Mr K 11-08-2024 14:06

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Truth doesn't seem to matter any longer, started in the US and its spread over here.

Pierre 11-08-2024 14:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181194)
Not sure what’s not "playing down the middle" by reporting the fact that Trump told that number of lies, which is relevant to the point that this story is another lie…

I mean

Quote:

Trump, 78, told more than 30,000 lies or falsehoods during his presidency and in recent weeks has lashed out as Harris, who is challenging him for the presidency, and who has drawn large crowds and enthusiasm among Democrats.
Translated as evil liar lashes out at wonderful opponent who’s doing just great.

The fact that someone probably has gone through every sentence that Trump has uttered and forensically fact checked them……..now that’s weird.

I bet they hadn’t done it for Biden, and/or Harris.

Mr K 11-08-2024 14:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36181201)
Seriously, stop simping for the Donald. It’s weird.

Be fair, somebody has to, our resident Trump sympathiser is awol... ;)

Pierre 11-08-2024 14:28

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The thing is, who fact checks the fact checkers?

When the whole of the media machine is after you, they will of course lap it all up at face value.

Here’s an assessment, only one I could find that was in any way counter, which tells you all you need to know.

This was when the lie count was only at 10,000

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/wa...ews-2019-04-29

Hugh 11-08-2024 14:45

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https://www.npr.org/2024/08/11/nx-s1...ews-conference

Quote:

162 lies and distortions in a news conference. NPR fact checks former President Trump

AUGUST 11, 2024 7:00 AM

Former President Donald Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, speaks during a news conference at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida on Aug. 8.

There were a host of false things that Donald Trump said during his hour-long news conference Thursday that have gotten attention.

A glaring example is his helicopter emergency landing story, which has not stood up to scrutiny.

But there was so much more. A team of NPR reporters and editors reviewed the transcript of his news conference and found at least 162 misstatements, exaggerations and outright lies in 64 minutes. That’s more than two a minute. It’s a stunning number for anyone – and even more problematic for a person running to lead the free world.

Politicians spin. They fib. They misspeak. They make honest mistakes like the rest of us. And, yes, they even sometimes exaggerate their biographies.

The expectation, though, is that they will treat the truth as something important and correct any errors.

But what former President Trump did this past Thursday went well beyond the bounds of what most politicians would do.

1andrew1 11-08-2024 14:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181203)
What is weird is everyone with TDS gobbling up everything with eager abandon that is spoon fed to them.

Trump fans are like that. It doesn't really matter to them whether it's true or not - it's Trump's Truth so they don't see a problem. However, when Trump steps outside his fan base, people can't be spoon-fed and tend to ask obvious questions. Like show me the evidence!

Pierre 11-08-2024 15:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181210)

Quote:

1. “I think our country right now is in the most dangerous position it’s ever been in from an economic standpoint…”
That’s an opinion, you can’t “fact check” an opinion……you can disagree with it.

Quote:

2. “…from a safety standpoint, both gangs on the street…”
Still part of the same sentence of the opinion, which they fail to really refute anyway

Quote:

3. “...and frankly, gangs outside of our country in the form of other countries that are, frankly, very powerful. They’re very powerful countries.”
Still part of the initial sentence, they cite Afghanistan, but fail to mention China, which I would argue Trump is really referring to.

Quote:

4-5. “We have a lot of bad things coming up. You could end up in a Depression of the 1929 variety, which would be a devastating thing, took many years– took many decades to recover from it, and we’re very close to that.”
“Could” opinion again. Ok it didn’t takes decades to recover, but it took a decade.

Quote:

6. “And we’re very close to a world war. In my opinion, we’re very close to a world war.”
Opinion, not a lie.

I could go on and on, that article and the so called “fact checking” is absolutely laughable as to be comedic

It’s full of this:

Quote:

24. “We've agreed with NBC, fairly full agreement, subject to them, on Sept. 10th.”

This is ABC, not NBC.
Wow …lock him up.


Quote:

25. “She can't do an interview. She's barely competent and she can't do an interview.”

Harris hasn’t done interviews since getting into the campaign, but she has done them in the past, so saying “she can’t do” one or that she is “barely competent” are just insults.
So he’s not wrong here, just insulting.

A wager, Hugh saw a great headline, but then never actually read the supposed lies and untruths being reported, if you had, I doubt you would posted it.

And again as for me simping for Trump, Again. I’m just not swallowing wholesale a lot of the crap that is being fed out……….unlike some, by the looks of it.

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Some more belters from that lying sum’ma,bitch.

Quote:

30. “The most unpopular vice president.”

This might have been true about a year ago or so, but not anymore.
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31. “Don't forget, she was the first one defeated. As I remember it, because I watched it very closely, but she was the first one.”

Harris was not “defeated,” because she dropped out of the Democratic presidential race before Iowa.
Quote:

36-39. They're going to hit you hard. ‘Either we can do it the nice way. I heard, I know exactly, because I know a lot of people on the other side, believe it or not. And, they said, ‘We'll do it the nice way, or we'll do it the hard way.’ And he said, ‘All right.”

This was not said; he did not hear; no Democrats in the know are talking to Trump; and this dialogue is made up.
It’s been widely reported that Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, went to see Biden and gave him that ultimatum.

Quote:

52. “Now we have the worst border in the history of the world.”

World history is filled with cases where one country has crossed a border and invaded a neighboring country.
And? Is that a fact check?

Quote:

62. “She couldn't pass her bar exam.”

This is false. Harris passed her bar exam on the second try. She failed on first attempt, which is not unusual for California’s bar exam given its difficulty.
Quote:

63. “I was doing very well with Black voters, and I still am. I seem to be doing very well with black males. This is according to polls, as you know.

Trump was not doing “very well” with Black voters. Biden was not doing as well with Black voters as he did in 2020, according to most surveys, but that didn’t mean Black voters were moving heavily toward Trump. Many seemed more likely not to vote. There were signs that Trump was doing better with Black men
?..

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64. “Extremely well with Hispanic.”

Like with Black voters, it’s difficult to tell in most national surveys exactly how well a candidate is doing with Latino voters because of high margins of error. “Extremely well” depends on how it’s defined, but this is an exaggeration.
Well they haven’t defined the metric of extremely, so not a fact check


Anyway.


Not a fact check by any definition.

TheDaddy 11-08-2024 17:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181213)
That’s an opinion, you can’t “fact check” an opinion……you can disagree with it.


Still part of the same sentence of the opinion, which they fail to really refute anyway


Still part of the initial sentence, they cite Afghanistan, but fail to mention China, which I would argue Trump is really referring to.



“Could” opinion again. Ok it didn’t takes decades to recover, but it took a decade.



Opinion, not a lie.

I could go on and on, that article and the so called “fact checking” is absolutely laughable as to be comedic

It’s full of this:



Wow …lock him up.




So he’s not wrong here, just insulting.

A wager, Hugh saw a great headline, but then never actually read the supposed lies and untruths being reported, if you had, I doubt you would posted it.

And again as for me simping for Trump, Again. I’m just not swallowing wholesale a lot of the crap that is being fed out……….unlike some, by the looks of it.

---------- Post added at 15:24 ---------- Previous post was at 15:09 ----------

Some more belters from that lying sum’ma,bitch.







It’s been widely reported that Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, went to see Biden and gave him that ultimatum.



And? Is that a fact check?



?..



Well they haven’t defined the metric of extremely, so not a fact check


Anyway.


Not a fact check by any definition.


So you managed to find a problem with 17 of 162? That notwithstanding Hugh's link said 162 lies and distortions which undermines much of your fact checking. For instance;

4-5 isn't an opinion, he states we have a lot of bad things coming up that's not opinion it's a statement his opinion is on how bad it could be and then goes back to statement by saying we'revery close to that and btw we're not so it's an outright lie.

6 his opinion of us being close to a world war is a distortion of the truth, I know we don't like experts anymore but they're all saying not only are we not close to a world war even escalation in Israel or Ukraine wouldn't lead to one but donny knows better than them?

24 lie

25 He's wrong and insulting

And that'll do as the rest of it is just plain weird, saying that he knows exactly what was said when that's extremely unlikely, if he'd said it's been reported schumer and Pelosi did that then it would've been a lot more impact full than his gibberish and the other nonsense about not being able to pass her bar exam when the certificate is hanging on her wall

Hugh 11-08-2024 19:02

Re: US Election 2024
 
1 Attachment(s)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1723398800

Chris 11-08-2024 21:00

Re: US Election 2024
 
Weird. He is most definitely not OK. At this point it’s not even odd to wonder if he’s going to make it to November as the GOP candidate.

Mr K 11-08-2024 21:17

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36181224)
Weird. He is most definitely not OK. At this point it’s not even odd to wonder if he’s going to make it to November as the GOP candidate.

Homer Simpson making a bid? He's definitely a better candidate.

Pierre 11-08-2024 21:45

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36181219)
So you managed to find a problem with 17 of 162?

I could have found more if I wanted to go through every single one line by line


Quote:

That notwithstanding Hugh's link said 162 lies and distortions which undermines much of your fact checking. For instance;
Well it grabs you with “ 162 lies”, If it was 162, opinions we don’t agree with, which is mainly is, then that would be more accurate.


Quote:

4-5 isn't an opinion, he states we have a lot of bad things coming up that's not opinion it's a statement
It is an opinion. “Bad” is a subjective word and these things haven’t yet happened. If he had said we’ve “had” a lot bad things happened then itemised them, that could be fact checked.

Quote:

6 his opinion of us being close to a world war is a distortion of the truth, I know we don't like experts anymore but they're all saying not only are we not close to a world war even escalation in Israel or Ukraine wouldn't lead to one but donny knows better than them?
Opinion, how close? Very close, not very close - subjective

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24 lie
And there you lose me and any credibility you think you have or had.

He mistakenly says NBC instead of ABC, in regards to the next debate and you’re calling that a “lie”…………….pretty pathetic.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181222)

It’s been doing the rounds on X that the photo of AF2 and crowd is fake/AI, and the conspiracy theorists have all piled in on it.

But there’s no evidence it is fake and a video posted debunks the claim.

Trump would do well to hold fire commenting on such things.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36181224)
Weird. He is most definitely not OK. At this point it’s not even odd to wonder if he’s going to make it to November as the GOP candidate.

Known as a reverse Biden

1andrew1 11-08-2024 23:25

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181229)
It’s been doing the rounds on X that the photo of AF2 and crowd is fake/AI, and the conspiracy theorists have all piled in on it.

But there’s no evidence it is fake and a video posted debunks the claim.

Trump would do well to hold fire commenting on such things.

Sadly, this is a man who has ceased to give the impression of thinking and acting logically. He owes it to his Party and Country to end his Presidential ambitions.

TheDaddy 12-08-2024 01:28

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181229)



And there you lose me and any credibility you think you have or had.

He mistakenly says NBC instead of ABC, in regards to the next debate and you’re calling that a “lie”…………….pretty pathetic.

You're already lost, you're in Don Old's cult. Is he mistaken in saying that the first debate is on Fox News on September 4th in Harrisburg Pennsylvania because that's what he's been saying on lie social for nearly a day now or is he trying to get Harris to refuse his dopey ambush so he can get out of the debate on ABC or is he just plain lying again :shrug:

Pierre 12-08-2024 02:18

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36181246)
You're already lost, you're in Don Old's cult…………that's what he's been saying on lie social

I’m not on Truth Social, only Trumphiles are……………….

1andrew1 12-08-2024 07:46

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181247)
I’m not on Truth Social, only Trumphiles are……………….

Can you remind me which venue you're on at the Fringe? :D

jfman 12-08-2024 16:36

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181210)

Quote:

162 misstatements, exaggerations and outright lies in 64 minutes
I tend to lean towards this a reasonable chunk of this being needless. He’s as entitled as anyone else to embellish statements where he’s expressing an opinion.

Exaggerating how well, or otherwise, he’s doing among certain ethnic groups is an opinion depending on how he baselines it. If I find £20 in my winter coat I’d feel like I was doing well, against the subjective baseline of assuming there’s nothing in it. If I checked the bank on payday and had £20 it’d be problematic.

There’s enough in his outright lies to get him with. Plus just calling him weird.

Damien 13-08-2024 10:07

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Trump did an interview with Elon Musk yesterday. Most of it was the same kinda stuff but he said there is another country with an Iron Dome that no one knows about......

Did he reveal something or was he lying?

TheDaddy 13-08-2024 10:46

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36181292)
Trump did an interview with Elon Musk yesterday. Most of it was the same kinda stuff but he said there is another country with an Iron Dome that no one knows about......

Did he reveal something or was he lying?

Loads of countries have it or something similar, the UK has SkySabre which could be ramped up to be better than Iron Dome if we spend the money, iirc Azerbaijan's version was bought from Israel itself back in 2021 and a number of Eastern European showed serious interest that probably led to purchasing variants when Putin kicked of bigly

Pierre 13-08-2024 11:55

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36181292)
Trump did an interview with Elon Musk yesterday. Most of it was the same kinda stuff but he said there is another country with an Iron Dome that no one knows about......

Did he reveal something or was he lying?

Someone tried to shut it down, they suffered DDOS attack, according to Musk. Delayed the interview by 30 mins and eventually went out audio only.

I listened to about an hour of it.

There was nothing amazing about it, but in conversation, I couldn’t hear any signs of his alleged cognitive decline. No pauses, no stutters, no loss of direction or train of thought. Musk did well do get a few words in here and there.

No, sorry, for those trying to push that particular narrative will have try something else.

jfman 13-08-2024 12:36

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36181292)
Trump did an interview with Elon Musk yesterday. Most of it was the same kinda stuff but he said there is another country with an Iron Dome that no one knows about......

Did he reveal something or was he lying?

I don’t think he’s necessarily lying if he’s using Iron Dome interchangeably with simply advanced anti-missile and anti-aircraft defence systems.

The Iron Dome meets a very specific requirement that it’s not clear anyone else would need. Who is likely to find themselves under frequent short range, limited warning rocket or missile attack from an aggressor that (ordinarily) they couldn’t just blow out of existence with their own military strength due to the densely populated areas they are operated from.

That said, you’d perhaps not rule out South Korea, the Saudis, or the smaller oil rich states in the Persian Gulf from developing more advanced systems than publicly stated in case things escalated in the region by dissident groups in Yemen, Oman or simply region wide tensions with Iran.

Edit: if he’s taken literally could it be secretly on Taiwan?

1andrew1 13-08-2024 12:40

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181298)
No, sorry, for those trying to push that particular narrative will have try something else.

Biden can be quite lucid when in front of a teleprompter too.

Funny there was no video, I find it impossible to believe that this Billionaire tech genius couldn't have got the video to work if he'd really wanted it to. ;)

Pierre 13-08-2024 12:59

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36181300)
Biden can be quite lucid when in front of a teleprompter too.

Not really, with such classics as “pause, repeat last sentence”

Quote:

Funny there was no video, I find it impossible to believe that this Billionaire tech genius couldn't have got the video to work if he'd really wanted it to. ;)
I don’t much about DDOS attacks, but they’re designed to overwhelm a site. There’s an argument his security team could and should have anticipated this, and have mitigations in hand.

But don’t drink the conspiracy kool aid, as some on here would say.

TheDaddy 13-08-2024 13:04

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181298)
Someone tried to shut it down, they suffered DDOS attack, according to Musk. Delayed the interview by 30 mins and eventually went out audio only.

I listened to about an hour of it.

There was nothing amazing about it, but in conversation, I couldn’t hear any signs of his alleged cognitive decline. No pauses, no stutters, no loss of direction or train of thought. Musk did well do get a few words in here and there.

No, sorry, for those trying to push that particular narrative will have try something else.

Did you fact check it?

Couple of stand out ones for me were worst inflation for 100 years and bacon being 5 times more expensive than when he was in office as well as over/ under estimating other things that suit his agenda like sea level rises and immigration

---------- Post added at 13:04 ---------- Previous post was at 13:02 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36181300)
Biden can be quite lucid when in front of a teleprompter too.

Funny there was no video, I find it impossible to believe that this Billionaire tech genius couldn't have got the video to work if he'd really wanted it to. ;)

He's not a tech genius, he's a genius at seeing how well otuer people's ideas will do and marketing them amazingly

Pierre 13-08-2024 13:13

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36181302)
Did you fact check it?

I knew you’d do it for me.

Quote:

Couple of stand out ones for me were worst inflation for 100 years and bacon being 5 times more expensive than when he was in office as well as over/ under estimating other things that suit his agenda like sea level rises and immigration
Well if they’re “stand outs”, he truly is the most dangerous man alive.

Chris 13-08-2024 13:26

Re: US Election 2024
 
There’s also the small matter of him claiming there were 60 million people listening when the stream itself was showing 1.1 million.

Trump’s highly casual acquaintance with the truth is dangerous because he demonstrably lies and exaggerates all the time about anything and everything, even when it’s demonstrably false. Is that because he is in serious mental decline? Or perhaps because he’s speaking to a constituency that will believe him whenever he says anything, no matter how ludicrous? There is obvious danger in either of those scenarios.

Mr K 13-08-2024 17:34

Re: US Election 2024
 
Wonder if Elon is on a promise (of something/many things). Seem like Don might be a President he can easily manipulate for his own profit.

Apparently Donny has developed a new lisp. Minor stroke, or his teeth are falling out? Some dentist is going to cop it big time...

Paul 13-08-2024 18:18

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181298)
I listened to about an hour of it.

How sad. :erm:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181301)
I don’t much about DDOS attacks, but they’re designed to overwhelm a site.

Thats true, but there are also ways to defend against them.
Lots of hosting sites and companies offer ddos protection systems. :angel:

jfman 13-08-2024 18:34

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36181321)
Wonder if Elon is on a promise (of something/many things). Seem like Don might be a President he can easily manipulate for his own profit.

Apparently Donny has developed a new lisp. Minor stroke, or his teeth are falling out? Some dentist is going to cop it big time...

Hypothetically, once Trump gets in who can hold anything over him?

Pierre 13-08-2024 18:49

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36181326)
How sad. :erm:

Well if I am going to comment on the topic, I might as well be informed. Besides I had nothing better to do.

Hugh 13-08-2024 19:05

Re: US Election 2024
 
2 Attachment(s)
When they tell you who they are, believe them…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1723572285

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1723572285

Pierre 13-08-2024 20:19

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181335)

Who’s he telling you he is?

1andrew1 13-08-2024 22:06

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181337)
Who’s he telling you he is?

Panicked and racist come to.mind.

jfman 13-08-2024 22:20

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181333)
Well if I am going to comment on the topic, I might as well be informed. Besides I had nothing better to do.

Even his opponents can’t deny he’s pure box office.

Pierre 13-08-2024 22:26

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36181338)
Panicked and racist come to.mind.

From that screen shot?

I don’t see anything racist in that.

If you’re referring to the phrase “import the third world, get the third world”."………….it’s not totally inaccurate.

Hugh 16-08-2024 08:47

Re: US Election 2024
 
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ose-rcna166855

Quote:

Trump says presidential civilian award is 'better' than top military honor whose recipients are 'dead' or 'hit' by bullets

BEDMINSTER, N.J. — Former President Donald Trump lauded a wealthy donor on whom he bestowed the Presidential Medal of Freedom as having gotten the "better" award compared to the top military honor, the Medal of Honor, because those recipients are often deceased or injured.

Speaking at a campaign event intended to discuss antisemitism, Trump was introduced by Miriam Adelson, a wealthy Republican donor and widow of Sheldon Adelson, who pumped millions of dollars of his own money into electing Republican candidates. He died in 2021.

“I watched Sheldon sitting so proud in the White House when we gave Miriam the Presidential Medal of Freedom," Trump said at his New Jersey resort.

"That’s the highest award you can get as a civilian. It’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor," Trump continued, referring to the highest military honor bestowed for valor in combat. The Medal of Honor is often mistakenly called the Congressional Medal of Honor.

"But civilian version, it’s actually much better because everyone [who] gets the Congressional Medal of Honor, they're soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets or they’re dead," Trump concluded. “She gets it, and she’s a healthy, beautiful woman, and they’re rated equal, but she got the Presidential Medal of Freedom, and she got it for — and that’s through committees and everything else.”
The Congressional Medal of Honor is the US equivalent of the Victoria Cross.

jfman 16-08-2024 09:03

Re: US Election 2024
 
He’s got form for that kind of thing with John McCain has he not?

Listening to a podcast yesterday (openly Democrat supporting) one suggested to guard against complacency that although Biden 2020 won the popular vote by 7 million votes and was outside the margin of error (sometimes comfortably) the Electoral College came down to 40,000 votes in just three states. Harris is polling closer to that than Biden was in 2024.

Hugh 16-08-2024 09:20

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181458)
He’s got form for that kind of thing with John McCain has he not?

Listening to a podcast yesterday (openly Democrat supporting) one suggested to guard against complacency that although Biden 2020 won the popular vote by 7 million votes and was outside the margin of error (sometimes comfortably) the Electoral College came down to 40,000 votes in just three states. Harris is polling closer to that than Biden was in 2024.

On that point…

https://wapo.st/3WLWLyA

Quote:

On the face of it, Harris’s small lead in the national polls and trends in swing states don’t look like enough for her to be the favorite in the electoral college. According to our model, Trump continues to lead in a majority of the battleground states — and if you count up the electoral votes and award them to the candidates leading in those states, Trump comes in at 283 and Harris at 255. The first to 270 wins.

The reason Harris is now the favorite is because Harris has closed the gap with Trump in Sun Belt states enough to open a second path to the presidency.
Because the polls underestimated Trump in the last two presidential elections, we often associate polling errors with a potential upside for Republicans. But it’s important to remember that polling errors can go either way. And a 2012-sized error (not a cycle we usually associate with an error at all) would now be enough to put Harris over the top.

The other, and more crucial, reason that Harris is favored is that her improvement in the polls has opened up a second path on the presidential battlefield and in the electoral college. The polling suggests that, unlike Biden, she is no longer effectively tied to the Rust Belt — Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin — to hit 270 electoral votes. As of today, Harris is now only a typically sized polling error away from winning key Sun Belt states. Winning all of Arizona, Nevada, North Carolina and Georgia would also be enough to put Harris over the top and she is continuing to improve her position in those states.

Our model shows that for Trump to win the White House, he would need to notch victories in both the Rust Belt and Sun Belt. But crucially for Harris, she would win by taking just one of those two paths.

For now, that is a game changer.

Chris 16-08-2024 09:40

Re: US Election 2024
 
Only the Yanks could turn their electoral process into a spectator sport.

Mr K 16-08-2024 09:51

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36181460)
Only the Yanks could turn their electoral process into a spectator sport.

It's not a great democratic system is? Ours isn't much better. If you're not in one of the 'swing states ( or marginal constituencies in this country), your vote is largely meaningless.

jfman 16-08-2024 10:31

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36181460)
Only the Yanks could turn their electoral process into a spectator sport.

I did think that’s a lot of words for “dunno, it’s a toss up this far out”.

Not that it stops us all spectating. :)

Hugh 16-08-2024 12:01

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36181462)
I did think that’s a lot of words for “dunno, it’s a toss up this far out”.

Not that it stops us all spectating. :)

But before this, it was forecast as an almost certainty for Trump…

Pierre 16-08-2024 12:16

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181457)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...ose-rcna166855



The Congressional Medal of Honor is the US equivalent of the Victoria Cross.

It’s a joke, in poor taste, but funny none the less

Indeed much like the VC most recipients are killed in action.

jfman 16-08-2024 12:18

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181466)
But before this, it was forecast as an almost certainty for Trump…

100% agree, Harris has made a lot of inroads into the previous Trump lead in the polls over Biden.

My point wasn’t to fault the analysis just a nod to the point Chris made to liken it to a spectator sport. We can all visualise it like half time analysis of a football game, what’s going well on the pitch, where, what needs to change to turn the game in favour of either side etc.

Pierre 16-08-2024 12:18

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181459)
On that point…

https://wapo.st/3WLWLyA

Well she’s made a competition out of it, Trump would’ve walked it against Biden.

The debates will be interesting.

Hugh 16-08-2024 12:21

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181468)
It’s a joke, in poor taste, but funny none the less

Indeed much like the VC most recipients are killed in action.

Ah, the old "BuT iT wAs A jOkE!!!!" line...

Turning the barrel over to scrape for excuses now...

Pierre 16-08-2024 12:51

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181471)
Ah, the old "BuT iT wAs A jOkE!!!!" line...

Turning the barrel over to scrape for excuses now...

No, because for those that don’t have severe TDS, it was obviously a joke, not his fault you haven’t got a sense of humour.

Hugh 16-08-2024 15:51

Re: US Election 2024ill
 
Surely you mean "for those who have severe TDS*, and can easily translate Trump-speak to English" it’s obviously** a joke"

* will defend Trump no matter what he says or does

**was meant at face value, in line with his previous "suckers and losers" and "what’s in it for them" comments, but once the negative feedback occurred, the old "it was a joke" excuse came out…

Pierre 16-08-2024 16:21

Re: US Election 2024ill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181490)
Surely you mean "for those who have severe TDS*, and can easily translate Trump-speak to English" it’s obviously** a joke"

* will defend Trump no matter what he says or does

**was meant at face value, in line with his previous "suckers and losers" and "what’s in it for them" comments, but once the negative feedback occurred, the old "it was a joke" excuse came out…

***. Will attack Trump no matter what he says or does

**** was a joke that only those with almost debilitating TDS can’t see, or indeed refuse to see

Or he was making a joke that receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom, is a lot better than receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor, because if you’re receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor….you’re most likely dead, or severely injured.

Hugh 16-08-2024 17:50

Re: US Election 2024
 
He didn’t say receiving it was better, he said it was better….

Quote:

That’s the highest award you can get as a civilian, it’s the equivalent of the Congressional Medal of Honor, but civilian version. It’s actually much better, because everyone gets the Congressional Medal of Honor – that’s soldiers. They’re either in very bad shape because they’ve been hit so many times by bullets, or they’re dead,”
But you carry on Trumpsplaining…

Mr K 16-08-2024 17:54

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181501)
He didn’t say receiving it was better, he said it was better….



But you carry on Trumpsplaining…

It's caused by 'TDS' I believe....
A particularly nasty illness it is too, so do have some pity for the afflicted.

Chris 16-08-2024 17:56

Re: US Election 2024ill
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181492)

Or he was making a joke that receiving the Presidential Medal of Freedom, is a lot better than receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor, because if you’re receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor….you’re most likely dead, or severely injured.

Or, he’s being entirely consistent with his known disdain for veterans who he has described as ‘suckers’ and ‘losers’.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...uckers/615997/

Trump doesn’t understand soldiers because he doesn’t understand what’s in it for them. ‘What’s in it for me?’ is the only way he knows how to operate.

Pierre 16-08-2024 18:52

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36181501)
He didn’t say receiving it was better, he said it was better….
But you carry on Trumpsplaining…

Your TDS is truly affecting your cognitive abilities……..

OK, I’ll do it your way.

Quote:

Or he was making a joke that the Presidential Medal of Freedom, is a lot better than the Congressional Medal of Honor, because if you have the Congressional Medal of Honor….you’re most likely dead, or severely injured.

Still works, still funny.

Chris 16-08-2024 19:01

Re: US Election 2024
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36181508)
Still works, still funny.

I doubt many veterans or their families would agree.

It’s indicative of how far the standard of public debate has fallen in the US that a presidential candidate can make comments (or attempt jokes) like this and get away with it. Say what you like about the state of UK politics but nobody in public office could say anything remotely like this and not be hounded out of their job within a week.


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