Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

We have a system in the Welsh Assembly where Labour are propped up by Plaid who never seem to get much more than 20% share of the vote. The cost of Plaid propping up Labour is the implementation of a few barking policies, which is not fair when IIRC only around 4% of the population of Wales tend to vote for Plaid.

What also makes it unfair is lying politicians like Adam Price of Plaid saying "There's no way will Plaid be propping up a Welsh Labour government". I think it was 3 weeks or so later they did a deal to prop them up.

I know we are talking about Westminster, but we saw similar with the Lib Dems propping up the Conservatives for a price. I don't think there should be these sort of dodgy deals which doesn't reflect the wishes of the voters.

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

I do wonder by the 2028/9 election whether PR could end up back on the agenda in manifestos. Ultimately it wouldn't be voted for again until 2031 and implemented at least until the 2033/4 general election.

If Farage is serious about it - and I don't think he is - FPTP creates really distorted results in a 4 party system. It has always created distorted results in a three party system just ones that I think people lived with because it gave the most popular party a working majority at any given time.

However if a sizeable number of people (as it hits 50% for example) are voting for someone who isn't the Conservatives or Labour that willingness to tolerate it will break down.

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

As someone pointed out, it would need both Labour & Tories to gain less than 50% of the seats at a GE for it to be considered, they are both too wedded to adversarial politics.

Unfortunately AV was never PR, as it is about the only voting system that manages to be both better and worse than FPTP.

Also this is an interesting investigation from By-line Times regarding invisible candidates. https://bylinetimes.com/2024/07/03/r...e-they-hiding/

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

It'd be quite something if it could be proven they fielded candidates who didn't exist.

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

This story is gaining quite an amount of traction (albeit, not necessarily with evidence). I do suspect they were simply paper candidates and the lack of online presence could be explained by deactivating to avoid personal or professional scrutiny.

If it could be proven I wonder what recourse there would be for those candidates who lost by less than the number of reform votes.

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

Private Eye claims to have spoken to Mark Matlock (whose campaign literature has attracted most attention on Xitter) a week ago, i.e. before the election. Eye seems satisfied that he does exist and has an explanation for the AI campaign photo (a cack-handed attempt to present him in regulation sky-blue tie apparently).

https://x.com/privateeyenews/status/...56-Kgau3lzowJw

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

So you have to have a "digital presence" to exist now ? Wow ....

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

Seem the conservatives even lost out on donations.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cg3j131327yo

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

No point in giving money to the loser if you can't exert influence.

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

Unless you are an ex labour leader in which case it had no bearing :erm:

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

Dylan Difford @Dylan_Difford from YouGov on has posted this on X:

https://x.com/Dylan_Difford/status/1812751453842190571

Interestingly, more Conservative voters in 2019 died than switched to Labour in 2024 (image attached).

Re: The Cable Forum Exit Poll, 2024
 

Fairly strong evidence for Lib Dems and Labour swapping tactical votes there. Green picked up a lot from Labour as well.