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If Virgin choose not to pay for various licensed features and to devalue their devices, users can and will say ok, bye. Don't worry though, if Virgin plans to switch everyone over to XGS-PON, then neither the V6 nor the TV360 will work with that. The future probably isn't your vision for the TV360 but something else entirely. Whether or not TV customers stick with Virgin through the transition will be entirely dependent on what features they provide.

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It’s just a button! Just press pause or the back button instead! What’s the problem?

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We’ve already had this conversation. Whatever will you do when the IPTV switchover happens?

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I have never stated that the 360 has a long term future.

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My freeview recorder has a remote, with a stop button, very advanced it is.... No monthly charge either...
Seems to me one of the main problems with the 360 is the remote. Not everyone wants (or can) talk to it. Also not sure about the claim that all the Tivo features are copyrighted e.g. rewinding a few secs after fast forwarding, like to see the patent for that.... Its like some autistic nerd in a bedroom has dreamt this up, with no concept of how people use TV boxes.

Saw this on the VM forums, which sums up the lack of forethought for all customers...

I am a 70 year old pensioner with arthritic hands. I find the remote very difficult to use because:

1. It is so thin and light I keep dropping it, the old remote fit in my hand and had some weight to stabilise it.

2 the buttons are so flat and close together I find it difficult to get the correct one, the old remote had nice raised buttons that were better spaced.

3 why do so many functions need looking for in menus instead of easily accessed from the remote? Eg, clear, stop, delete.

I imagine the answer, as ever, is cost. These l
remotes seem very cheap and cheerful but are not really suited to people like myself, who were probably not considered, only the bottom line.

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I recall no such conversation. Can you copy/paste it here for me please?

If I like the IPTV system i'll have it, if not, I won't.

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The pros and cons have been discussed at length in this same thread, Richard.

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So you’d rather not watch TV at all, then? If IPTV is the only option, it will be the only way. Considering the amount of time you seem to spend in front of the box, that will be a drastic change in your lifestyle, so I assume that this is just a knee-jerk reaction.

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I asked for the answer to my question.

If the method of receiving material isn't to my liking i'll certainly stop using it.

There are many other things in life than television, I don't watch that much as it is as i'm now partially sighted.

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Fair enough!

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Perhaps there is little point in retiring the V6 before the TV360 as they are both based on the same hardware and there is obvious customer resistance to downgrading.

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I agree, as long as the contract with TiVo doesn’t expire in the meantime. I doubt whether Virgin would pay more to extend it, though.

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Xperi, nowadays, collects IP rights to license on to other companies. Virgin probably pays them licence fees for several other PVR features that aren't even a part of the Tivo collection. Maybe they should just mix and match the licences for the features customers want. A sort of PVR feature "pic 'n' mix". Just as long as Virgin doesn't also opt in to the dreadful Vewd / Opera TV apps which are now included in the Tivo stable.

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“IPTV” covers a very large number of things, including those that to the end user work the way current TV works for them with regards to the user experience.

My point being that everything could be Internet Protocol based and resemble the TV experience of the late 1990s to the present day.

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Maybe a dumb question, but how do I turn off the need to enter PIN code when watching Sky On Demand content (included in sub not PPV)? I've turned off requirement for PIN on watershed content but no dice.

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I don’t think you can! If I understand this correctly, Sky is obliged to do this by Ofcom to enable them to broadcast more adult programmes during the day.

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Not Sky tv, but just had to enter a PIN to watch the Sky at Night before 9pm. It is indeed very scary content. Life on other planets, my backside...

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AFAIK, you cant - nanny state rules. :rolleyes:

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Ok thanks all, I thought these stupid rules only affected live broadcast as it's obviously not an issue for Netflix etc. Rather frustrating as a house with two 46 year old adults and no kids!

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To be realistic most of us will just go with the flow. I don't have a great like of the latest gimmick. So tend to wait and see. 3d tv comes to mind, guess no one will admit to buying one.

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hahah remember that era. 80s had the 3d glasses and the 2010s had the same. i hope to see the 2040 reemergence of the 3d glasses

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I bought one that had 3D (in 2012). :wavey:
Its not the reason I bought it though, it just came with it.

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Whether the missing features are minor, depends whether you use them or not. If you actively use some of the TiVo-specific features, then they're going to be pretty major to you.

Pros & cons both ways.

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i can't think of anything "missing" from the 360. People name certain tasks but they can be done on the 360 they're just called something else in my opinion

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I had quite a few specific wishlists set on the V6.
One for example was to record LIVE FOOTBALL from ANY CHANNEL where one of the teams is MANCHESTER UNITED.
Another would record any programme from any channel where OXFORD would appear in the title or synopsis.
How are those done on a 360 as a enter once only command?

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Can the 360 do these?

• Wishlists
• undelete
• series link+
• series link manager
• suggestions
• skip-back on fast-forward
• quickview
• default recording options
• cancelling individual recordings from a series link
• multi-channel series links
• allowing recording of radio
• separation of recordings between boxes
• watching recordings when internet is not available

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I miss many of those. VM have a lot to answer for when they started pushing the 360 out as an upgrade on renewal. People weren't told what the 360 couldn't do.

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In fairness, there's an element of "buyer beware" about this - you wouldn't expect Microsoft to point out every deficiency of W11 cf W10, so why should VM point out TV360's differences V6... in other words, standard marketing rules apply.

That said, the incessant reference to "upgrade" grates. For some people, yes it's an upgrade. For some people, it's very far from that. For everyone, it's a conversion or migration.

I get why VM use the terminology.

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At the time I got offerred it I'd never heard of the 360 nor for that matter was I aware of this forum. Difficult to question sales people with minimal knowledge although after the debacle when the tivo came out I should have known better.

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I asked Old Boy to tell me what the alternative names for the things that people could do with a V6 were, perhaps you could help?

Mr K has provided a list that seems to cover everything.

If you're correct and it can do everything that the V6 could under a different name i'd get one tomorrow as, being partially sighted now, the voice command facility would be really useful for me.

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In response to your question about whether the 360 has the following features that are available on the V6, the answers are as follows:

* Wishlists - Not unless the programme is currently scheduled or available on demand.
* undelete - No, but streaming alternatives are normally available if you delete something accidentally.
* series link+ - No, you cannot select a programme that is not currently listed or on demand.
* series link manager - You can click on programme details and select ‘delete series link’. You can also delete all recordings on your box with a touch of a button in ‘Settings’
* suggestions - Yes, displayed on tiles on Home Screen (‘Recommended for you’) instead of on a list
* skip-back on fast-forward - No
* quickview - No
* default recording options - No, but you can alter start and finish times for your recordings, choose which box to record on and decide how many recordings to keep in the series.
* cancelling individual recordings from a series link - Yes. Just select the episode you want deleted and they will delete without interfering with other programmes in the link.
* multi-channel series links - No
* allowing recording of radio - No, but some BBC programmes previously broadcast can be available via BBC Sounds.
* separation of recordings between boxes - No - all recordings made are available on both boxes.
* watching recordings when internet is not available - No

Against that, the 360 has the following features that are not available on the V6:

*Restart live TV
*Creation of profiles
*Voice control
*Switch from watching on TV to app
*Uncluttered UI so you can find functions more easily
*Automatic start of all recordings two minutes before programme scheduled
*Podcasts
*Enlarged TV Guide available
*A prompt to delete a recording when watched
*When using TV On Demand, a prompt to move immediately to next episode appears.
*More streamers available including Paramount+ and AppleTV+.

So people who are considering whether to stick with the V6 or change to the 360 can take their pick. Personally, I am glad I made the change.

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Thank you, that's very informative :)

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Question. What's the difference between restart live tv and pausing it ?

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Restart means it goes back to the beginning of the programme* and pause, well, pauses it until you want it to start again.

* You can do this with the BBC iPlayer, not sure about the other catch up services.

You can also do it with the TiVo and the V6 if one of the tuners is set to the channel with the programme that you want to watch.

Does anyone know how the 360 does this? Is it similar to how you can sometimes do it with the V6, or does it obtain the first part from the iPlayer?

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That is a fair comparison, but on a couple of the points..
> Voice control. Indeed so. The V6 has one-key jumps between recordings & live TV, the TV360 has either voice-control or 7keys.
> Automatic padding added to recordings. The V6 allows you to alter your padding defaults to what you choose. Two minutes before is one of the options.
> VOD moving to the next episode when one has finished. V6 has this, but presumably TV360 prompts you sooner hence the "immediately" comment.
> Restart live TV is a fair one - V6 will give you menu-driven access to alternate showings or VoD assets. A "different" approach.

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Mmm. I'll stick with the V6, and if forced onto 360, will not renew my contract. Not for me and lots of customers by the sound of it. VM really need to do their market research before designing boxes/software. This was mostly about saving money on the Tivo licence. Could be a false economy given their ever declining customer base.

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You can do this with most other players but it is platform dependent. If the lack of apps on the V6 has pushed a customer to the Roku, they will have similar functions. Freely TV users will also have this function for main PSB channels (not +1s) and for the main 4 UKTV channels. Basically, it just involves having an IP stream running alongside the main services with the ability to switch to the IP stream. As we found with the FAST channels, the V6 can't currently switch to IP streams without going through a red button portal.

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If you mean 7 key presses to get back to live TV, that is not correct. Just press the ‘TV’ button (next to the ‘Home’ button on the right of the remote) and you are there.

So does the 360. The automatic padding is a good feature because most people don’t think to add padding and just moan that their recordings don’t always start from the beginning. So it is more user friendly. Obviously, you can choose to remove the padding if you don’t want it.

OK, but to the best of my recollection, that wasn’t the case when I last used the TiVo software.

Agreed.

Basically, if you are wedded to the additional features of the TiVo software, fair enough, stick with it. The reason I came in here was simply to say that for most people, this was not so critically important that a change to the 360 was a ‘downgrade’. It is different, that’s all, but the 360 does contain some up to date features that the V6 doesn’t have.

I get it that some of you like to mess around with the various settings and the technical aspects of the TiVo, but I think that most of the population out there subscribes for the content, not the geeky special features of the box.

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Out of interest, does the 360 have a similar option for going straight from live TV into recordings? That's where the 7 key press reference came from. Apologies for misleading there.

Totally agreed that the two platforms are "different" - hence going full-circle to the "upgrade" references being what I disagree with.

A few other posts back there was a query about live-restart and how it works. My understanding is that it's a link in with VoD/streaming apps in some way. Similar to the iPlayer but evidently made to work across other channels.

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It depends why you want to get to recordings. If you are watching a programme that you want to record, just press the button with the red circle on it above the play/pause button and you will get the option to record it.

If you want to go to your recordings to look at other recorded or planned recordings, yes, that requires seven button presses - once on the ‘Home’ button and then 5 right-arrow presses on the menu and then click once on recordings. But alternatively, you can just press the voice button and say “Recordings”.

No need to apologise, you didn’t set out to mislead.

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Old Boy, you can shorten it to 6 button presses if you want to use the long method instead of using voice control by scrolling left past the search button when going via the naviigational bar.
Also if you press Home and scroll down it takes 5 button presses (or 6 if there's a current PPV event)

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Actually you can watch individual recordings if the internet is down.
You just can't watch shows if more than one episode as the 360 can't 'see' the split of the series without the net connection.

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Good point!

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Sorry , don't see what you are driving at, this can be done anyway, or I am missing something :erm:

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It's a simple concept. You find a programme on the TV Guide and you find it's already half way through. You will see an option on the screen to 'Watch live or Watch from the start'.

So with a click of a button, you can see that programme from the beginning.

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OK get it. Never found this to a problem, can see the use for other people. For me so many ways to "find" a show if that desperate :D

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It's probably too late for you now but it does appear possible to cancel the 360 downgrade if it hasn't happened yet. Below from the support forum:-

'We're sorry to hear that you're regretting your decision. If the upgrade hasn't yet been done then we may be able to get this cancelled. So we can check this for you, I will need to confirm some information with you to pass security. '

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Same here, the 32" 3D TV was £500 as was the non 3D TV so I bought it, I did then have to buy a 3D Blu-ray player.

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A while back my 360 Mini displayed not connected to a network (it has a wired connection) twice I had to set up the wifi to get it working.


Then yesterday I trip the power and I got the message on my 360 Main, I turned it off and removed and reconnected the ethernet cable and it worked.