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If Virgin choose not to pay for various licensed features and to devalue their devices, users can and will say ok, bye. Don't worry though, if Virgin plans to switch everyone over to XGS-PON, then neither the V6 nor the TV360 will work with that. The future probably isn't your vision for the TV360 but something else entirely. Whether or not TV customers stick with Virgin through the transition will be entirely dependent on what features they provide.

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It’s just a button! Just press pause or the back button instead! What’s the problem?

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We’ve already had this conversation. Whatever will you do when the IPTV switchover happens?

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I have never stated that the 360 has a long term future.

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My freeview recorder has a remote, with a stop button, very advanced it is.... No monthly charge either...
Seems to me one of the main problems with the 360 is the remote. Not everyone wants (or can) talk to it. Also not sure about the claim that all the Tivo features are copyrighted e.g. rewinding a few secs after fast forwarding, like to see the patent for that.... Its like some autistic nerd in a bedroom has dreamt this up, with no concept of how people use TV boxes.

Saw this on the VM forums, which sums up the lack of forethought for all customers...

I am a 70 year old pensioner with arthritic hands. I find the remote very difficult to use because:

1. It is so thin and light I keep dropping it, the old remote fit in my hand and had some weight to stabilise it.

2 the buttons are so flat and close together I find it difficult to get the correct one, the old remote had nice raised buttons that were better spaced.

3 why do so many functions need looking for in menus instead of easily accessed from the remote? Eg, clear, stop, delete.

I imagine the answer, as ever, is cost. These l
remotes seem very cheap and cheerful but are not really suited to people like myself, who were probably not considered, only the bottom line.

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I recall no such conversation. Can you copy/paste it here for me please?

If I like the IPTV system i'll have it, if not, I won't.

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The pros and cons have been discussed at length in this same thread, Richard.

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So you’d rather not watch TV at all, then? If IPTV is the only option, it will be the only way. Considering the amount of time you seem to spend in front of the box, that will be a drastic change in your lifestyle, so I assume that this is just a knee-jerk reaction.

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I asked for the answer to my question.

If the method of receiving material isn't to my liking i'll certainly stop using it.

There are many other things in life than television, I don't watch that much as it is as i'm now partially sighted.

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Fair enough!

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Perhaps there is little point in retiring the V6 before the TV360 as they are both based on the same hardware and there is obvious customer resistance to downgrading.

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I agree, as long as the contract with TiVo doesn’t expire in the meantime. I doubt whether Virgin would pay more to extend it, though.

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Xperi, nowadays, collects IP rights to license on to other companies. Virgin probably pays them licence fees for several other PVR features that aren't even a part of the Tivo collection. Maybe they should just mix and match the licences for the features customers want. A sort of PVR feature "pic 'n' mix". Just as long as Virgin doesn't also opt in to the dreadful Vewd / Opera TV apps which are now included in the Tivo stable.

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“IPTV” covers a very large number of things, including those that to the end user work the way current TV works for them with regards to the user experience.

My point being that everything could be Internet Protocol based and resemble the TV experience of the late 1990s to the present day.

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Maybe a dumb question, but how do I turn off the need to enter PIN code when watching Sky On Demand content (included in sub not PPV)? I've turned off requirement for PIN on watershed content but no dice.

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I don’t think you can! If I understand this correctly, Sky is obliged to do this by Ofcom to enable them to broadcast more adult programmes during the day.

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Not Sky tv, but just had to enter a PIN to watch the Sky at Night before 9pm. It is indeed very scary content. Life on other planets, my backside...

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AFAIK, you cant - nanny state rules. :rolleyes:

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Ok thanks all, I thought these stupid rules only affected live broadcast as it's obviously not an issue for Netflix etc. Rather frustrating as a house with two 46 year old adults and no kids!

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To be realistic most of us will just go with the flow. I don't have a great like of the latest gimmick. So tend to wait and see. 3d tv comes to mind, guess no one will admit to buying one.

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hahah remember that era. 80s had the 3d glasses and the 2010s had the same. i hope to see the 2040 reemergence of the 3d glasses

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I bought one that had 3D (in 2012). :wavey:
Its not the reason I bought it though, it just came with it.

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Whether the missing features are minor, depends whether you use them or not. If you actively use some of the TiVo-specific features, then they're going to be pretty major to you.

Pros & cons both ways.

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i can't think of anything "missing" from the 360. People name certain tasks but they can be done on the 360 they're just called something else in my opinion

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I had quite a few specific wishlists set on the V6.
One for example was to record LIVE FOOTBALL from ANY CHANNEL where one of the teams is MANCHESTER UNITED.
Another would record any programme from any channel where OXFORD would appear in the title or synopsis.
How are those done on a 360 as a enter once only command?

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Can the 360 do these?

• Wishlists
• undelete
• series link+
• series link manager
• suggestions
• skip-back on fast-forward
• quickview
• default recording options
• cancelling individual recordings from a series link
• multi-channel series links
• allowing recording of radio
• separation of recordings between boxes
• watching recordings when internet is not available

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I miss many of those. VM have a lot to answer for when they started pushing the 360 out as an upgrade on renewal. People weren't told what the 360 couldn't do.

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In fairness, there's an element of "buyer beware" about this - you wouldn't expect Microsoft to point out every deficiency of W11 cf W10, so why should VM point out TV360's differences V6... in other words, standard marketing rules apply.

That said, the incessant reference to "upgrade" grates. For some people, yes it's an upgrade. For some people, it's very far from that. For everyone, it's a conversion or migration.

I get why VM use the terminology.

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At the time I got offerred it I'd never heard of the 360 nor for that matter was I aware of this forum. Difficult to question sales people with minimal knowledge although after the debacle when the tivo came out I should have known better.

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I asked Old Boy to tell me what the alternative names for the things that people could do with a V6 were, perhaps you could help?

Mr K has provided a list that seems to cover everything.

If you're correct and it can do everything that the V6 could under a different name i'd get one tomorrow as, being partially sighted now, the voice command facility would be really useful for me.

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In response to your question about whether the 360 has the following features that are available on the V6, the answers are as follows:

* Wishlists - Not unless the programme is currently scheduled or available on demand.
* undelete - No, but streaming alternatives are normally available if you delete something accidentally.
* series link+ - No, you cannot select a programme that is not currently listed or on demand.
* series link manager - You can click on programme details and select ‘delete series link’. You can also delete all recordings on your box with a touch of a button in ‘Settings’
* suggestions - Yes, displayed on tiles on Home Screen (‘Recommended for you’) instead of on a list
* skip-back on fast-forward - No
* quickview - No
* default recording options - No, but you can alter start and finish times for your recordings, choose which box to record on and decide how many recordings to keep in the series.
* cancelling individual recordings from a series link - Yes. Just select the episode you want deleted and they will delete without interfering with other programmes in the link.
* multi-channel series links - No
* allowing recording of radio - No, but some BBC programmes previously broadcast can be available via BBC Sounds.
* separation of recordings between boxes - No - all recordings made are available on both boxes.
* watching recordings when internet is not available - No

Against that, the 360 has the following features that are not available on the V6:

*Restart live TV
*Creation of profiles
*Voice control
*Switch from watching on TV to app
*Uncluttered UI so you can find functions more easily
*Automatic start of all recordings two minutes before programme scheduled
*Podcasts
*Enlarged TV Guide available
*A prompt to delete a recording when watched
*When using TV On Demand, a prompt to move immediately to next episode appears.
*More streamers available including Paramount+ and AppleTV+.

So people who are considering whether to stick with the V6 or change to the 360 can take their pick. Personally, I am glad I made the change.

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Thank you, that's very informative :)

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Question. What's the difference between restart live tv and pausing it ?

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Restart means it goes back to the beginning of the programme* and pause, well, pauses it until you want it to start again.

* You can do this with the BBC iPlayer, not sure about the other catch up services.

You can also do it with the TiVo and the V6 if one of the tuners is set to the channel with the programme that you want to watch.

Does anyone know how the 360 does this? Is it similar to how you can sometimes do it with the V6, or does it obtain the first part from the iPlayer?

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That is a fair comparison, but on a couple of the points..
> Voice control. Indeed so. The V6 has one-key jumps between recordings & live TV, the TV360 has either voice-control or 7keys.
> Automatic padding added to recordings. The V6 allows you to alter your padding defaults to what you choose. Two minutes before is one of the options.
> VOD moving to the next episode when one has finished. V6 has this, but presumably TV360 prompts you sooner hence the "immediately" comment.
> Restart live TV is a fair one - V6 will give you menu-driven access to alternate showings or VoD assets. A "different" approach.

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Mmm. I'll stick with the V6, and if forced onto 360, will not renew my contract. Not for me and lots of customers by the sound of it. VM really need to do their market research before designing boxes/software. This was mostly about saving money on the Tivo licence. Could be a false economy given their ever declining customer base.

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You can do this with most other players but it is platform dependent. If the lack of apps on the V6 has pushed a customer to the Roku, they will have similar functions. Freely TV users will also have this function for main PSB channels (not +1s) and for the main 4 UKTV channels. Basically, it just involves having an IP stream running alongside the main services with the ability to switch to the IP stream. As we found with the FAST channels, the V6 can't currently switch to IP streams without going through a red button portal.

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If you mean 7 key presses to get back to live TV, that is not correct. Just press the ‘TV’ button (next to the ‘Home’ button on the right of the remote) and you are there.

So does the 360. The automatic padding is a good feature because most people don’t think to add padding and just moan that their recordings don’t always start from the beginning. So it is more user friendly. Obviously, you can choose to remove the padding if you don’t want it.

OK, but to the best of my recollection, that wasn’t the case when I last used the TiVo software.

Agreed.

Basically, if you are wedded to the additional features of the TiVo software, fair enough, stick with it. The reason I came in here was simply to say that for most people, this was not so critically important that a change to the 360 was a ‘downgrade’. It is different, that’s all, but the 360 does contain some up to date features that the V6 doesn’t have.

I get it that some of you like to mess around with the various settings and the technical aspects of the TiVo, but I think that most of the population out there subscribes for the content, not the geeky special features of the box.

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Out of interest, does the 360 have a similar option for going straight from live TV into recordings? That's where the 7 key press reference came from. Apologies for misleading there.

Totally agreed that the two platforms are "different" - hence going full-circle to the "upgrade" references being what I disagree with.

A few other posts back there was a query about live-restart and how it works. My understanding is that it's a link in with VoD/streaming apps in some way. Similar to the iPlayer but evidently made to work across other channels.

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It depends why you want to get to recordings. If you are watching a programme that you want to record, just press the button with the red circle on it above the play/pause button and you will get the option to record it.

If you want to go to your recordings to look at other recorded or planned recordings, yes, that requires seven button presses - once on the ‘Home’ button and then 5 right-arrow presses on the menu and then click once on recordings. But alternatively, you can just press the voice button and say “Recordings”.

No need to apologise, you didn’t set out to mislead.

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Old Boy, you can shorten it to 6 button presses if you want to use the long method instead of using voice control by scrolling left past the search button when going via the naviigational bar.
Also if you press Home and scroll down it takes 5 button presses (or 6 if there's a current PPV event)

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Actually you can watch individual recordings if the internet is down.
You just can't watch shows if more than one episode as the 360 can't 'see' the split of the series without the net connection.

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Good point!

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Sorry , don't see what you are driving at, this can be done anyway, or I am missing something :erm:

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It's a simple concept. You find a programme on the TV Guide and you find it's already half way through. You will see an option on the screen to 'Watch live or Watch from the start'.

So with a click of a button, you can see that programme from the beginning.

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OK get it. Never found this to a problem, can see the use for other people. For me so many ways to "find" a show if that desperate :D

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It's probably too late for you now but it does appear possible to cancel the 360 downgrade if it hasn't happened yet. Below from the support forum:-

'We're sorry to hear that you're regretting your decision. If the upgrade hasn't yet been done then we may be able to get this cancelled. So we can check this for you, I will need to confirm some information with you to pass security. '

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Same here, the 32" 3D TV was £500 as was the non 3D TV so I bought it, I did then have to buy a 3D Blu-ray player.

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A while back my 360 Mini displayed not connected to a network (it has a wired connection) twice I had to set up the wifi to get it working.


Then yesterday I trip the power and I got the message on my 360 Main, I turned it off and removed and reconnected the ethernet cable and it worked.

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There is a (unverified) rumour going round that forced migration is happening in January.

If this is true, then I think I'll have to accept this (don't want to) until the end of my contract as their t&c's say that they reserve the right to change STB's.

I don't personally think that this rumour is true as the usual procedure is to close the premium channels and then gradually reduce the basic channels before it is closed for good.

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I bought a 46" Samsung in 2011 that had 3D it still working fine, though It is now in use as a relatives main TV, I use my PS VR to watch 3D content now. There is actually a big community of 3D fans still keeping the dream alive and I still watch a lot of 3D Blu Rays as well as buying them off eBay and CEX.

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Well recently my 2 v6 boxes with tivo have been getting every other day messages about free downgrade to 360 software in the help and messages section, also I've noticed itvx has started crashing more and netflix, then the box rebooted and when it all came back, boom another message to upgrade to 360 software, so in new year probably press the dreaded downgrade button, but whats no clear and had 2 different answers, can both boxes record independently (separate) like they are doing now, I've had no so id loose 1tb of space off the bat, and 2 been told yes, I just want a 100 percent correct answer

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Yes, my two V6 boxes permit me to record separately on each box. And the recordings made can be viewed on each box.

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Been getting that quite a bit recently too - your box is out of date - to go with regular emails and now text messages.

To be honest I’m not fussed either way but other half has said she will kill me if her Randall and Hopkirk deceased recordings disappear. So for a quiet life I’ll stick with what we’ve got for now! 😂

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Its looking like they won't force this 'upgrade' without the customers agreement. Hence all the messages/propaganda. Forcibly deleting recordings won't go down well with paying customers, and could cause a nasty backlash. However if they say you 'volunteered' for it, and were made aware, then you've got no comeback.

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I’m not sure how many series of Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) there were, but 26 episodes of series 1 appears on ITVX.

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If they decide to de-commission the TiVo boxes, then they will do so regardless. You lose your recordings whenever you change service provider. The good thing is, you can watch on demand. No need for recordings any more.

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Thats all of the original show, there was one season of 26 episodes (also available on BluRay).

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Not everything can be streamed OB. Even if is, it'll be full of ads that you can't fast forward through. Recordings win everytime for the viewer.

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Unless you get the premium version! I don’t even have to fast forward through them as they are not there in the first place.

I haven’t yet found a programme I want to see that cannot be accessed on demand. But then again, I don’t watch the shopping channels and the like.

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I'm an analogue in a digital world, but I am happy with my V6 and the services I can get. Yet VM want me to swap to the new 360, I think I will leave it until I have no choice.

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Yep that’s the lot! Thanks for the info��. Food for thought as apart from that we’ve next to nothing in our recordings.

Maybe an after Christmas decision……..

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⬆️ Thanks for fixing that Paul - tried and failed several times!

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Those messages can be deleted by following Home > Help & Settings > Messages, you shouldn't reminders after deleting.

The rest of your symptoms sound like a faulty box to me.

In answer to the recording query, any TV360-master box can record - and you can select which masterbox (converted V6) used for individual recordings in the advanced settings.

TV360 will always pool both sets of recordings into one view, though - that's how the system is designed.

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Now where does the Stream box source actually stream from, as i get the same picture break up at the same time from both a Stream box and a V360? Unless there is an issue at source.

Dolby 5.1 is now in sync on the Stream too, unlike the 360.

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Lots of places. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Content_delivery_network

What are you watching?

What equipment have you got connected to the 360, and how it is all connected?

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ITV 2 is breaking up on both boxes.

It also sounds to me like Channel 5 HD tonight is showing Pirates Of The Caribbean in Dolby 5.1 on Stream, as opposed to the 360 box.

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Have they fixed it today, as Kojak on ITV 4 yesterday was constantly breaking up.

ITV 2/3/4 just checking now and there is no sign of picture break up.

Fingers crossed.

Aha, no it hasn’t, but ITV 4 is miles better at the moment checking Hot Fuzz.

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Having to turn AD on to switch it off at the moment!

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So does anyone know if we are getting Sky Atlantic or not on 1st April? :confused:

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Will find out on Tuesday considering Sky Max moves from 111 to 109 and Sky Comedy isn't moving up to 111 instead staying on 112 and Sky Atlantic Original series under Sky Showcase On Demand section have been changed to expire on 31st March

It reads like a information slate on tv24 app and website.

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I wouldn't hold your breath. I haven't seen any credible evidence of such a development.

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Removing almost all the HBO box sets the day before HBO Max launches, then all the Sky Originals the day before a TV guide is reporting Sky Atlantic launches on Virgin TV, is a pretty big signal of what is likely going to happen!

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Does the 360 have picture in picture?

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What feature do you mean exactly?

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Think Richard means watching 2 channels at the same time.

My 13 year old tv has it, invaluable when keeping track of 2 football matches - one on freeview, the other on VM. Could be essential during the World Cup.

Not sure VM boxes permit such things, always best to have more than one tv source.

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On the V6 you can still watch the channel or recording that you're watching in a small picture at the top right hand corner, whilst looking through your recordings, looking through the EPG etc.

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On the 360 you can still view the channel or recording that you're watching in a small picture in the bottom right hand corner whilst looking at the Home Screen rails or through the EPG.

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Thanks, that's good to know.

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Cheers for that.

I was under the impression that the Stream feed was separate from the V360 to avoid connection signal errors in the cable route.

The fact that i am seeing the same errors on the same channels at the same time, on both boxes, tells me the Stream box is using the same distribution feed as the V360, locally.

Is the feed for the App the same?

Interesting.

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Different parts of the service work in different ways, so to answer I need to know what you are watching and what errors you are getting. And what do you mean by "the App"?

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Amazingly, yes!

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Up on the strip across top it's available now via 360 ,not that will get me move:rolleyes:

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VM have released a press release stating it will be on 360 and Stream boxes from 1st April.

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It's also the first time I've ever known VM announce a new launch in advance.

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They are desperate to get the punters onto 360, but need the customer's agreement as it wipes recordings. I think they over estimate how many people are bothered about Sky Atlanric, I won't be 'upgrading'.

Seems to be a new tactic weekly atm. Wonder if their desperation is something to do with end of the financial year.

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If you didn't loose recordings and choices set up . Then I would change , never say never

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I simply made a note of my recordings, and on the changeover, I added them all back on the watchlist (via On Demand). Simples.

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Anyone else in Scotland on 360 find the banner for STV player intrusive? It's a pain in the proverbial and stays up for ages. Reappears every time you go onto 103.

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I did the same many years ago when moving from TiVo > V6. It works fine when content is available on VoD, and whilst it's a lot better than it used to be, it's not quite 100% . People's perspective may differ depending how full their HDD is, I suppose.

Where ITV & C4 programmes are involved, it also means forced adverts.

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Yes I could spend hours(?) setting all up again and trying to find shows . Forced adverts is surprisingly a turn off , doing this while U streaming is showing some.:erm:

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I'm sure last time I asked there wasn't a screen that actually showed you what series links you have set up. Is this still the case?
Or is now everything a 'bookmark' with little reference to a good old fashioned series link recorded on a HDD that you can actually fast forward adverts on like you could do since the 90's

How about a 'deleted recordings' folder? This wasn't available either.

My contract is up in a couple of months and it looks like the prices on the website are cheaper than what I pay at the moment albeit with 360 software and stream box - Will I be disappointed if I change to 360?

Thanks

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Forced ads on the streaming services. If you record from these channels 360 FF through them same as V6. On most shows just saying "skip four minutes" bypasses the ads.

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Can anyone remember when there was only about 2 minutes of ads roughly every 20 minutes?

and they were mostly decent ads too, not like the shite nowadays

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The website offers will be new-customer prices, and listing the Stream primarily because that's the default offer for new installs. TV360 is available reactively on specific-request and only via telesales.

Don't treat those prices as gospel for what retentions may offer you as an existing customer. Your STB software shouldn't make any difference to the offer you receive, unless there's inclusive Paramount, Disney or somesuch that V6 can't match.

The two platforms are just very different.

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l use for shows not on normal TV . Ie coppers which is great, think peaky blinders

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Guess the the announcement came yesterday because The Day Of The Jackal, Sweetpea , Gangs Of London, The Gilded Age, The Tattooist Of Auschwitz, Mary & George, Atomic and The Iris Affair are still available on Sky Showcase On Demand section until 31st March, then they transfer to Sky Atlantic.

Hacks has also now moved to Sky Atlantic, which i don't believe will be on HBO Max since it was acquired from NBC Universal.

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Unless, of course, you pay not to have them.

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It seems to be different this time.
I've always ignored any promotional price and used the price afterwards as my basis for contract negotiation - have done for 15+ years of VM.
This time, only 1 price on the website so that is my starting point.

I priced up a like for like and it is about £7 cheaper per month.
Considering my bill has over £70 discount on at the moment, the maths really doesn't work.

But hey, VM and billing have had a volatile relationship for years haha

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Using ai this what I found, can you ask for a new box ?
Compatibility of Virgin TV 360 Software
Software Upgrade Process

Virgin TV 360 software can work on older boxes like the V6 and TiVo through a software upgrade. This process allows existing hardware to access new features and improvements without needing a completely new box.
Limitations of Older Hardware

However, there are limitations. The older boxes run on TiVo firmware, while the 360 operates on Horizon firmware. This means that while the software can be upgraded, the underlying hardware may not support all the new functionalities. Users may experience issues such as:

Loss of Recorded Content: Upgrading often results in the loss of previously recorded shows.
Incompatibility: The older boxes may not fully support the new features of the 360 software, leading to a less optimal user experience.

User Experience

Many users have reported mixed experiences with the upgrade. Some appreciate the new interface and features, while others miss the functionality and customization options of the older systems.

In summary, while Virgin TV 360 software can be applied to older boxes, the experience may vary due to hardware limitations and the nature of the upgrade process.
community.virginmedia.com ispreview.co.uk

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So-called "intelligence" at its very best there...

TiVo refers both to the legacy 3-tuner hardware, and also the firmware. The legacy box absolutely cannot run Horizon/TV360. And there's no functional difference between a TV360 that's been converted from a V6, and a native TV360.

Other than that, standard Google-bot nonsense in several places.

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The proof.

https://news.virginmediao2.co.uk/sky...no-extra-cost/

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My V6 has been pushing the upgrade to 360 for a few days now. I have almost no programmes left to watch (the usual lack of content coming from the USA after xmas).

I understand that all series links vanish on upgrade, but I have a few left after a purge recently.

What is edging me towards the 360 upgrade will be access to Sky Atlantic from April, but I know from past experience that Sky has a habit of suddenly renaming channels and moving "premium content" behind a new channel paywall.

Upgrade? Yay or Nay? I'm torn......

Re: TV360 - pro and cons
 

Caveat Emptor.

Sky Atlantic is losing HBO content, coincidentally at the same time Sky are allowing VM to have it.

Each to their own , but Tivo/V6 has far more functionality than 360, and there's no way back.