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Exactly: Project #AnyoneButTory

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https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/sur...neral-29234122

Half of Surrey’s current MPs have confirmed they will not be contesting their seat for re-election on July 4. Red Surrey? :D

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This is weird: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...campaign-start

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I guess if every time you do something things get worse... do nothing?

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Perhaps they are trying to find the Labour mole in the CCHQ event planning team, who arranged election events in a brewery (cue comments of "couldn’t arrange a pess-up in a", an election event in the Titanic Quarter in Belfast (cue "sinking ship" comment, and see if it’s the same person who sent him out into the teeming rain to announce the Election without an umbrella…

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I don't think there is a mole in CCHQ.

Apparently, it's just preparing for their announcement that they're going to ban having dogs as pets.

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I guess it adds credence to the suggestion that he called the election on a whim to get one over the whisperers who keep threatening to put in letters of no confidence in him. If all of this looks badly planned, it’s because it is. In fact it is not planned at all.

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AKA the if I’m going down you’re coming with me defence

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Either that or he just knows it's just not worth putting the effort in.

Other news...

'Jeremy Hunt hints Tories would cut taxes for higher earners if re-elected'

That just says it all really. :rolleyes:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-if-re-elected

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I don't think he did it for that reason. The threat had died down after the local election because acceptance of their fate had taken hold.

More likely is the suggestion he called it because he thought this was as good as it would get with the inflation figures and price cap coming down, but looking to rise again as we head into autumn.

The reason for the chaos is probably as simple as him being politically incompetent. You don't need a well-organised plan to look outside to see if it's raining, to know it's a bad idea to go to the Titanic Quarter and give the journalists the obvious lines or that it looks like a panic to go into hiding 3 days into the campaign.

The only other explanation is he is trying to throw the election.

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That’ll be it!

"I could have won, you know, if I’d tried, but I couldn’t really be bothered…" :D

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Way back before the 1997 general election I covered the Wirral South by election for the paper I worked on. I was based in a different office but they needed extra staff because this was a big one - a by-election just months before a GE which Labour was expected to win, and the only question was by how much. Wirral South was seen as a dry run and a harbinger. T Blair was in town and I was called in because I’m from Wirral so I knew the lay of the land.

As the day went on there were press releases flying about from all parties, and I gleefully picked on one in which the Tories crowed over Blair holding a press conference in a pub called the Cheshire Cat. Cue one-liners about big smiles with nothing substantial behind them, etc etc etc. I thought I’d written a very clever piece about that, but the editor fired it straight back and boomed across the room words to the effect of, “You need to have another go at that. All that stuff about the pub is just hot air. Your real story is buried about halfway down”.

He was right, of course. Journalists and political junkies love to snigger at what these days we would call memeable content but they tend to obfuscate the real story. The wet press conference, the staged warehouse Q&A, the Titanic walkabout are all inept, but what really gives the game away is the thing nobody’s talking about nearly as much, which is that at the time the election was called around 100 local associations hadn’t chosen a candidate. That represents a failure of national leadership, a failure of communication between central office and local associations, and perhaps most troubling of all for CCHQ it is evidence of rotting at the roots. Back in the day I was accustomed to getting press releases from prospective parliamentary candidates well over a year before the latest possible election date in 1997. It’s a key part of ongoing campaigning and name recognition. And clearly it hasn’t been happening. They are in big, big trouble.

Re: The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 1
 

Was the sinking ship comment about the sinking ship deserting a drowned rat? Someone is stitching him up, sent him out without an umbrella knowing Steve Bray is lurking with a pa system and outside the hours of his injunction...

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I agree. I always think it better to vote for someone, even if it's a best of a bad bunch situation or tactical voting.

Having worked on elections in the past what some people do is write a big cross over the whole of the ballot paper or write something like 'None of the above'. Even though the vote doesn't get counted for any candidate, it's still counted as a vote for the % turnout.

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Even charities are dealt with more strictly in the run up to a general election.

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In the unlikely even of a party fielding a candidate in every constituency and winning them all, does anyone know if there is something in place should this situation ever arise?

Sure, they would all have been democratically elected, but there would be no opposition and it would effectively be a dictatorship.

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There is nothing in theory stopping a party from being the only one in Parliament.

Realistically what would happen is the party would split pretty quickly into the Parliament. I think if Labour got near 450 for example then the party's left wing would split just on that alone.

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So you would have the Government and its opposition being made up from members of the same party!

Probably for the best as there would be nowhere for them to sit :D

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Our electoral system is dire. The likes of the Libdems, Greens and Reform get a fraction ( if any) of, the MPs their national vote suggests they should get. Benefits the main 2 parties of course, which is why it never changes.

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Yup - in our Constituency (Leeds North West), the Conservative candidate, Andrew Huggins, was chosen over a year ago, but has now completely dropped off the radar*, and there is no info available on his successor (if there is one).

*It may be due to the fact he moved jobs in March this year from Ryanair to Emirates as a "First Officer B777", so that’s probably a more reliable source of income than a PPC in a Constituency that Labour are expected to take…

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The sudden interest in bringing back national service is a pretty blatant core vote pitch. They know fine well they’ll never have to actually do this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpddxy9r4mdo

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If there’s ever a question how much the older generations hate the younger generations it’s that this is a vote winner.

Record levels of debt
Housing crisis
Decimated public services
Eye watering costs of further education
Now national service

It’ll appeal to the boomers who prattle on about world war 2 when the closest they got was toy soldiers in the 50s.

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It is basically to get the over-65 on board over from Reform. I can see him trying to ban work from home as well since retired people seem to really hate we can do that now.

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They were polling badly with younger voters already, I wonder whether they might lose more votes than they gain with this idea. It really just smells desperate and ill considered. Like everything else about the last 3 days. Heck has it only been 3 days? :disturbd:

It is a well known fact that the British armed forces actually quite like being a professional force unencumbered by youths who don’t want to be there and have little interest in embracing the army life. It is a less well known fact that years of cuts and cack-handed procurement have withered our armed forces alarmingly. We certainly need more boots on the ground but this isn’t the way to go about it.

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Well its not going to win them the election, and may even do them even more harm.

Either way there is no danger of them actually being able to do this.
Labour introduced it last time it happened, but I cant see them backing this.

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Its a policy straight from the BNP playbook as this is the party that proudly boast about being the party of defence and yet they have cut defence spending to the bone since being in power.

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I wonder if a bookmaker will give odds on an aircraft carrier being sent to the Falklands during the campaign.

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Do we still have one?

A Faroe Islands conflict, might be a better one. Those Danes have got it coming...

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It is bizarre how much the young are hated, given that they are now few in number, with a ageing, decaying population, that desperately need them.

Re: The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 1
 

l will given you evens Sir.;)

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I do wonder if this is one of the things we've misread the public mood for though. Lots of people I can this is playing well for.

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As someone said on Twitter on the 24th (before Sunak came out with his latest gem).

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What does 'Mandatory Volunteering' mean?? :erm: :dozey:

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Have a look at some of the readers comments in the Fail and Express (if u can lower yourself). There's outrage at the thought of 'Heidi and Henry' being sent off to some war. All by politicians who did no national service and didn't get £50k's worth of Uni debt.

It's all cobblers anyway , just like Rwanda. All soundbites that they know will never happen. Red meat for a few of the loons, that might save a couple of seats (it won't).

Bringing back public hangings next week I predict.

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btw, this was the Official government MoD position on Thursday (after the election was called), in answer to a parliamentary question…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1716724814

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Outstanding!

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Maybe I'm missing something - are we supposed to know who she is ?

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This might explain who she is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-...mpaign=KARANGA

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I enjoyed her BBC interview where she explained that nothing untoward happened and she was entirely innocent. It was almost as compelling as Prince Andrews convincing defence of the allegations against him.

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It’s concerning that 15.91% of responders appear to be suffering from electile disfunction

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Baroness Mone of fleecing the taxpayer out of a couple of hundred million quid.

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Yes!

Glasgows Michelle Moan. Former business woman turned peer and muppet, apparently made lots of money during covid for various dodgy reasons and has hardly been seen since it all came out.

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https://x.com/alexwickham/status/1794837181657493854

So if you don't do it you can't work for councils, the NHS, the police....

The guy is a complete moron. He wants to make it harder for people to work in the public sector? This also means it's easier for a immigrant to get a job in those services than someone whose British and didn't do the national service.

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I assume these extra layers of detail are designed to make it sound like they really truly honestly have been planning this for months and aren’t just frantically trying to shore up the boomer vote.

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Don't be unkind to Morons. Anyway, his favouritist soccerball team, Southampton Rovers, have won a game of kick ball
. He is their no 1 fan apparently. The last thing he'll be winning anytime soon.

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I wish I didn't know who she is!

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Not really sure why they are even calling it National Service.

Apparently only 30,000 max would be allowed to do "Military Training".
Thats about 4% of current 18 year olds, the rest would do Community Service (or "volunteering" as they call it).

I bears little resemlance to what most people think of when you say "National Service".

Not that any of this matters, since they have about as much chance of winning as I do of winning the Lottery Jackpot this year.

(In fact, I'd say my odds of winning are far better atm).

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What a moron this guy is!!!

Talk about making it extremly hard for people when its already not easy!!!!

Geez I thought we only had this stupidity in the states!!

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How to have a protest vote in a constituency that has been solidly Tory since its inception in 1974?

Any ideas? Because essentially that's what I've been doing since I began voting.

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Modern day slavery. The ultimate Conservative wheeze for getting the job done on the cheap. No more zero hour contracts because now they've come up with zero pay contracts. I doubt the party donors behind the companies set up to brand. the slaves administer the volunteers will be doing it for nothing. Not when there's a nice profit to be made.

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I'm sure there will be some tactical voting websites up and running soon (if there aren't already). Given the current polling, can any Tory seat be considered safe at the moment?

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If you don't know it, your local Electoral Registration Office will be able to supply you with details of who came second last time. You could then vote for whoever this was if your main aim is to unseat the incumbent Tory.

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More bizareness this morning.

The Tories are starting to pivot the attack on Starmer from 'what does he stand for' (which has some merit) to 'Sleepy Kier' following on from Trump's 'Sleep Joe' tag for Joe Biden.

https://www.ft.com/content/2c00e00e-...9-43264c85a82f

They have no ideas. There are plenty of criticisms of Starmer but hardly anyone thinks it's he is too old and tired to do the job. It won't cut through at all. It works with Biden because he is old and he looks like it. The no 1 concern voters seem to have him with is his age and mental state.

Also Steve Baker, NI Minister, has come out against the National Service plan and expects to be fired over it: https://www.stevebaker.info/2024/05/...aw-now-always/

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I’ve put in my application for a postal vote this morning. It’s very easy to do if you know your NI number and you’re asking for a one-off postal vote form to be sent to your home address, and your home address is the address on the electoral roll. You don’t need to scan your passport or driving licence although you do need to scan your signature. Easy enough these days as we all have decent cameras on our phones.

https://www.gov.uk/apply-postal-vote

(Edit) Should add, this is especially useful for Scottish voters as many of us will be on holiday in the first week of July. The process for applying for a postal vote for Holyrood is still a bit old fashioned and involves downloading and posting forms, but Scottish voters looking for a one-off postal vote in a Westminster election can use the gov.uk fully online service.

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My parents have often asked the same question as they are in the same constituency as yourself and feel their vote is completely wasted.

l don't know if these links might help you.

https://tactical.vote/

https://tacticalvote.co.uk/

https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/ta...t/conservative

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Thanks. Very useful!

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I feel for you.

In our case Michael Gove is gone, and the LibDem guy is ahead by a couple of points in the local polls. Better than Gove.....

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Boris was out at the weekend accusing Starmer of not prosecuting Jimmy Saville. Back in the day (it did the rounds when he was first appointed in 2020) the argument had a certain level of merit, assuming some dotted line could be drawn to show Starmer’s leadership of the CPS meant he ought to have intervened to ensure a prosecution went ahead. It’s by no means clear that argument was ever developed, and now the line just seems to be ‘Starmer didn’t prosecute Saville’ as if it was only ever in his personal in-tray.

All in all, the Tory campaign appears to be to shore up the core, boomer vote by demonising Keir Starmer and teenagers.

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Parents could be FINED if their teenagers fail to do National Service

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tivemenubutton

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They have all gone absolutely mental. The Tory election campaign thus far just looks like this, on a loop:

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60213

Johnson apparently forgotten what he said previously…

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...osecute-savile

I feel your anger Maggy....... Torys ppl are quite underhanded but trying to put a dent in that isnt gonna be easy.... Everything is on thier side ('rigged' like) otherwise Im sure he would be out by now!

Ya alot feel this way...... The Powers that be really have the control over who wins so yes people just coming in voting really means nothing....... If they want someone else,they will get them in regardless of who votes for whoever.......

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The Tories are going full generation war: https://x.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1795205841068454393

'Triple-lock PLUS'. Big tax breaks on pensions.

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These people have no shame*…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1716845751

*obviously hoping no one will remember the impact of Truss’ shenanigans on people’s Pension Funds…

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The reporting on this in the Sun is absolute bolleaux scare-mongering…

I have been claiming pensions since late 2018 (4 x Defined Benefit pensions since 2018, a Drawdown pension since mid 2021 (made up by consolidating 4 Defined Contribution pensions), and a State Pension since late 2022), and I haven’t had to fill out a self-assessment*. All HMRC does (automatically) is offset your State Pension against your Personal Allowance, and if you get more than the Personal Allowance, put a K tax code (you have untaxed income which is more than your tax-free amount. This has been added to your pay or pension so the extra tax can be collected) against one of your pensions, and put the rest on BR (basic rate taxation of 20% with no allowance on those).

*my State Pension alone takes me over the basic Income Tax starting threshold

Re: The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 1
 

Reading more into it, it's not as much as it seems on the surface. It would be nicer if they raised all thresholds but Tory party policy is to screw over those in work.

I wonder if they're in danger of overselling it though. It sounds too good be true when people here 'quadruple lock' and makes them seem like they are in a panic.

Also if this is what they're starting with then how far are they going to go? Probably some really crazy promises coming soon.

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Guess they are hoping their senile support have forgotten about all the manifesto pledges they've broken from the last election . Lies are acceptable these days. They should make manifestos contractually binding, as it is, they mean nothing.

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I did mine last week, and two days later I got it confirmed for the next 3 years. :)

Its not going to work, they are just looking more and more nuts as the days go on. :nutter:

Well thats the vote of all parents of teenagers just gone out the window. :rolleyes:
Have they forgotten that when you turn 18 you're an adult, and responsible for your own actions.
How would any parent force their adult child to do this :confused:

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Conservative campaign is surprisingly poor. They don't seem to be addressing the issues that concern voters and just emphasise how out of touch they are with each policy announcement.

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I want to see polling on the movement since last week and how popular this national service policy is.

Can they recover simply by promising the world or will their credibility be damaged instead?

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It seems the Tories only want older voters at this election.
How is it logical that someone receiving the state pension pays no tax, yet another person who earns an equivalent wage through working has to pay tax?

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I suppose one point of view is that people who are receiving state pension have paid tax and NI throughout their working lives ?

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That argument would be false - I have no idea how big the cohort is but there are pensioners who have paid little or no tax and had their NI credits paid for them due to extensive unemployment.

At the other end of the scale there are those who were so highly paid in their working life that they have amassed vast pension funds for retirement. And earnings diverted into pension were diverted from their payslips pre-tax. So those pension pots are full of untaxed income.

I think it’s fair to say the situation isn’t black and white. It is certainly ambiguous enough that it wouldn’t be sensible to give pensioners a blanket exemption from paying tax, although no tax on the state pension alone would seem to be a sensible approach (as the state pension, despite all the right wing squealing, is not that large by European standards).

(EDIT)

There is an interesting table here that shows the monthly pension of European countries compared with the cost of living in those countries. It then calculates how far above or below the break-even point each national pension is. tl;dr: we pay above break even but not by much.

https://www.almondfinancial.co.uk/pe...est-of-europe/

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Surely income is income, regardless of the source, so the personal allowance should apply equally to everyone. I agree that the state pension isn't overly generous compared to other European countries, but then surely someone earning the equivalent amount through employment is also on a relatively low income, yet the government would deem it appropriate to tax them.

Of course, it would seem daft for the government to tax income that it is itself handing out. Which leads to the real problem here - the government has chosen to freeze the personal allowance, rather than up-rate it with inflation. But instead of looking at that, the Tories are coming up with divisive sticking plasters.

Re: The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 1
 

The large personal allowance was always a Lib Dem policy, introduced after 2010 via the coalition agreement. I suspect once the LDs were out of government the Tories have been wanting to erode it ever since. But it’s politically easier to introduce a big tax relief than it is to remove one, so it takes time to do so via fiscal drag. The recent burst of inflation will have helped in that aim though.

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Why should someone earning over 100k per year have the same personal tax allowance as someone earning less than that ?

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I’m not sure your premise stands up. There are oodles of ways in which higher earners can be hit for more tax, the simplest of which is to introduce higher income tax bands. A basic, universal tax free allowance isn’t objectionable as part of a broader tax policy.

Notwithstadning any of the above it is worth noting that once again the Tory election pledge du jour amounts to a core vote strategy aimed at boomers.

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The changes in personal tax allowance once you earn over £100k and up to £125k per year are basically a sliding tax band ?

Unless you want to introduce a band for £100-105k, £105k - £110k etc up to £125k and then move into the band 125k+ band ?

Re: The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 1
 

I suspect the way it works right now has more to do with the perceived political difficulties of higher income tax bands coupled with a general desire to get rid of the large personal allowance over time.

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Because it's not controversial for everyone in society to be able to earn the same amount before they start paying tax. The tapering for those earning over £100k was a daft policy designed to try to hide a tax rise instead of increasing the higher rate. It makes the tax system more complicated.

However, my point was about about those in society who earn the least.

If the state pension needs to rise in order for those in receipt to cover their basic costs, then we shouldn't be taxing people who earn the same amount either.

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There’s a higher rate of tax above £125k……

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And?

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You said

‘ instead of increasing the higher rate.’

How can it be done instead of increasing the higher rate ? When there is already a higher rate after the complete loss of the personal tax allowance ?

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There are many different ways they could have raised this revenue. They could have increased the higher rate. They could have increased the additional rate. They could have done any combination thereof. Instead they chose an ideological route which creates a marginal tax rate of 60%.

But, so far, that is irrelevant to this election campaign.

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Not according to Hunt it’s not :D

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No further Police action in Angela Rayner police investigation.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-69063295

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Not really a surprise. They had already looked into this and decided there was no criminal matter and have come to the same conclusion again. I think there should be questions about the decision to reopen it after being lobbied by a Tory MP. Nobody thought it would go anywhere but it allowed them to get a few headlines of her being investigated.

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This is the second time a police inquiry into Labour launched at the behest of the Tories has gone nowhere.

If that was us doing that we would get a caution at least.

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To be honest it's better we have this situation.

It would be worse if she did do something but the police didn't want to investigate because it would look bad. It's in the public interest that politicians are more likely to be investigated over such things than we would.

You want to have confidence that it was an independent decision based on this 'new' evidence rather than pressure from a Tory MP.

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First Westminster voting intention from the campaign period by Survation.

https://www.survation.com/survations...mpaign-period/

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The Tories and Guido are hyping a big poll to come.

But so far we've had three that show no change or movement to Labour.

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Is that this one by Redfield & Wilton Strategies.;)

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies....5-27-may-2024/

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https://x.com/redfieldwilton/status/...WUFx9lsEXWlOa1

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1716915726

In 2019, the Conservatives won 60% of the 65+ age group.

Mega-oooooooff!

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Meanwhile, back in the Land of Total Bolleaux (AKA CCHQ Election campaign)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1716916233

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That just seems to show Labour and Conservative sticking as they are and Reform UK and the LibDems swopping places.

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Guido is soiling himself with excitement at a JL Partners (who?) poll that shows Labour’s lead tightening to 12 points, as the Tories seemingly claw back age 65+ voters from Reform.

https://order-order.com/2024/05/28/p...nly-12-points/

Given the whopping size of Labour’s lead in many other polls conducted by companies that repeat their polling much more often, I think this is likely to be what they call an outlier …

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I'm afraid Guido's the patron saint of lost causes these days. ;)

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Who? indeed…

From the landing page of their website…

https://jlpartners.co.uk/

From their "Senior Team" page

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Are you saying they may not be unbiased? ;)

Why are the major news outlets not reporting CFs poll? It's probably more accurate

Re: The traditional CF voting intentions thread, week 1
 

Why shouldnt they ?

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That doesn’t answer my question.