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jonbxx 16-06-2023 09:38
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I read this article the other day - https://theconversation.com/the-dark...-traits-177662

Written by a psychologist, it gives an insight into Boris Johnson’s personality and the psychological traits that got him in to so much trouble

Kursk 16-06-2023 14:54
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36153925)
I read this article the other day - https://theconversation.com/the-dark...-traits-177662

Written by a psychologist, it gives an insight into Boris Johnson’s personality and the psychological traits that got him in to so much trouble
One person’s drivel does not a convincing argument make.:dunce:

Damien 16-06-2023 15:52
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The worst thing in there is that No 10 wasn't only operating several wine days and so on but that they told staff to be mindful of the cameras outside when leaving, they knew exactly what they were doing.

Sephiroth 16-06-2023 16:09
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153937)
One person’s drivel does not a convincing argument make.:dunce:


Where is the drivel in the psychologist’s analysis?

Kursk 16-06-2023 16:37
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36153943)


Where is the drivel in the psychologist’s analysis?
I simply don't see the need for links to randoms. Dutifully, I read the 'expert' babble but felt my time had been wasted.

Ms NTL 16-06-2023 16:37
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Daily Fail will be my bible. God will start writing a column from tomorrow.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...columnist.html

I promise to buy any Amazon shit that Daily Fail promotes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65930008

Sephiroth 16-06-2023 16:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 36153947)
I simply don't see the need for links to randoms. Dutifully, I read the 'expert' babble but felt my time had been wasted.


The psychologist made perfect sense to me, trait by trait.

jfman 16-06-2023 16:49
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Excellent news for Boris. Hopefully a steady income from a reputable(!) employer means he no longer needs Richard Sharp’s services to get a loan. Will hopefully make him less susceptible to the influences of Lord Lebedev and his ex-KGB agent dad.

Kursk 16-06-2023 17:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36153949)


The psychologist made perfect sense to me, trait by trait.
Great leaders (such as Winston Churchill) have dark traits. Dark traits are their strength. In our darkest hour, no-one questioned how many sandwiches Winny was eating or whether the celebration of achievement needed an investigation.

1andrew1 16-06-2023 17:22
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I see Johnson is asking his mates not to oppose his Aprliamentry ban. Sounds like he's worked out they will lose.

Itshim 16-06-2023 17:23
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What strikes me is the lies repeated by blair and bush which cost so many life's is ignored but eating cake and saying you didnt is major news . That is ignoring sir Keir and his fish and chips eat in. Not defending any one just thinking " out loud"

Hugh 16-06-2023 17:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ms NTL (Post 36153948)
Daily Fail will be my bible. God will start writing a column from tomorrow.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...columnist.html

I promise to buy any Amazon shit that Daily Fail promotes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65930008
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65930008

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Boris Johnson has committed a "clear breach" of the ministerial code by not clearing a new role writing a column for the Daily Mail with the parliamentary authorities.

The committee that vets ex-ministers' appointments says he informed them only half an hour before the news emerged.

The first weekly column by the former prime minister appeared online late on Friday afternoon.

The paper was one of Mr Johnson's staunchest supporters when he was PM.

Mr Johnson resigned as an MP on Monday, but is still required to seek advice from the Advisory Committee on Business Appointments (Acoba) on new jobs for two years after leaving ministerial office.

He stepped down as prime minister last September.

In a statement, Acoba said: "The ministerial code states that ministers must ensure that no new appointments are announced, or taken up, before the committee has been able to provide its advice.

"An application received 30 mins before an appointment is announced is a clear breach.

"We have written to Mr Johnson for an explanation and will publish correspondence in due course, in line with our policy of transparency."

A spokesman for the former prime minister said: "Boris Johnson is in touch with Acoba and the normal process is being followed."
People in charge of process to be followed - "Johnson is not following the agreed process, and in fact, is in clear breach of the process"

Johnson "the normal process is being followed".

Sums Johnson up - he thinks the rules don’t apply to him, and if questioned about not following the rules, he outright lies; if he’s not careful, he could get into trouble for that… ;)

OLD BOY 16-06-2023 17:57
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36153955)
What strikes me is the lies repeated by blair and bush which cost so many life's is ignored but eating cake and saying you didnt is major news . That is ignoring sir Keir and his fish and chips eat in. Not defending any one just thinking " out loud"
Nail. On. Head. Well done, Itshim.

Blair lied about the ‘weapons of mass destruction’ to get permission to go to war. That was a far bigger misdemeanour than anything Boris has done, and yet when did he get suspended from Parliament?

This is a Boris hate campaign, and Blair is a good example to demonstrate that fact.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36153865)
Accurate not rude. Hopefully, the penny will drop for many MPs come Monday once they've had a chance to read the report.

The only frustration is coming from the ultra Johnson supporters who are slowly and belatedly coming to terms with the fact he won't return as an MP.
Come on, Andrew, get over yourself. Nobody is supporting deliberate lies. What is at issue here is the unfairness, double standards and a spiteful hate campaign.

He’s hated so much, these people don’t get the ridiculousness of a cake converting a work event into a social event or the inconsistency of Blair’s lies about Iraq which took us to war.

I think the wokes have finally taken over.

jfman 16-06-2023 18:10
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Cry me a river, OB.

Your man is toast. As predicted by many on here his lies have come back to haunt him. No amount of whataboutery will change that.

1andrew1 16-06-2023 18:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153957)
Come on, Andrew, get over yourself. Nobody is supporting deliberate lies. What is at issue here is the unfairness, double standards and a spiteful hate campaign.

He’s hated so much, these people don’t get the ridiculousness of a cake converting a work event into a social event or the inconsistency of Blair’s lies about Iraq which took us to war.

I think the wokes have finally taken over.
More whataboutery. Judge Johnson on his lies and that alone.If you do some very basic research you will find the Committee is Conservative dominated. They just happen to have looked at the evidence whilst you've put on your sunny Johnson specs on and can't see he's done anything untoward. You need to extend your research beyond Daily Mail headlines.

It's time to get over your Johnson worship and support British democracy.

OLD BOY 16-06-2023 18:14
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36153959)
Cry me a river, OB.

Your man is toast. As predicted by many on here his lies have come back to haunt him. No amount of whataboutery will change that.
I didn’t expect you to answer the point. You never do.

Chris 16-06-2023 18:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153957)
Nobody is supporting deliberate lies.
Except that is exactly what you’re doing.

Quote:
What is at issue here is the unfairness, double standards and a spiteful hate campaign.
The committee took its evidence in public, has made its findings public. It is a cross-party committee with a Tory majority. The only people who seem to have a problem with its findings are Boris and his die-hard fanbois. I have simply not seen your viewpoint mirrored amongst the disinterested public, which seems overwhelmingly to believe the committee has painted a portrait that has captured Boris’ likeness extremely well.

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He’s hated so much, these people don’t get the ridiculousness of a cake converting a work event into a social event or the inconsistency of Blair’s lies about Iraq which took us to war.
In Scotland we call this whitabootery. The committee wasn’t taking evidence about Blair or Iraq. It was taking evidence about goings on in No 10 Downing Street during lockdown.

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I think the wokes have finally taken over.
And I think you have taken the final, irrevocable plunge into self parody.

OLD BOY 16-06-2023 18:22
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36153960)
More whataboutery. Judge Johnson on his lies and that alone.If you do some very basic research you will find the Committee is Conservative dominated. They just happen to have looked at the evidence whilst you've put on your sunny Johnson specs on and can't see he's done anything untoward. You need to extend your research beyond Daily Mail headlines.

It's time to get over your Johnson worship and support British democracy.
Stop the whataboutery nonsense. We’re talking about consistency. How do Blair’s lies compare with Boris Johnson’s?

You guys don’t want to discuss it because you know I’m right and you don’t want to be challenged on the perversity of your arguments.

You hate him, I get that. But where is the justice?

I am fully aware that the Committee was Conservative dominated. Your point is…? We all know that there are remainers and Boris haters within his own party.

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36153962)
Except that is exactly what you’re doing.
You’re not listening.

Chris 16-06-2023 18:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153963)
Stop the whataboutery nonsense.
I wish you would.

OLD BOY 16-06-2023 18:24
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36153965)
I wish you would.
Nobody is answering the real point, which is consistency and justice.

Of course, no-one on this forum wants to discuss that, do they?

Never mind, the avoidance or silence says it all.

denphone 16-06-2023 18:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153963)
Stop the whataboutery nonsense. We’re talking about consistency. How do Blair’s lies compare with Boris Johnson’s?

You guys don’t want to discuss it because you know I’m right and you don’t want to be challenged on the perversity of your arguments.

You hate him, I get that. But where is the justice?

I am fully aware that the Committee was Conservative dominated. Your point is…? We all know that there are remainers and Boris haters within his own party.
Blairs War lies are for another thread if you feel so strongly about it as Johnson has been proven to be a liar time and time again and its only the partisan Boris Johnson apologist's who will defend him despite the clear evidence for all to see even if it means they follow him off the top of a cliff.

Ms NTL 16-06-2023 18:29
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God spoke

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-work-me.html

Chris 16-06-2023 18:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153966)
Nobody is answering the real point, which is consistency and justice.

Of course, no-one on this forum wants to discuss that, do they?

Never mind, the avoidance or silence says it all.
The committee assessed the evidence put before it and issued its report. That’s all there is to it. All you’re doing is trying to make everyone look away to distract them from how truly awful your man is. The fact nobody wants to play with you should give you a hint about how transparently ridiculous you’re being.

OLD BOY 16-06-2023 18:59
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36153967)
Blairs War lies are for another thread if you feel so strongly about it as Johnson has been proven to be a liar time and time again and its only the partisan Boris Johnson apologist's who will defend him despite the clear evidence for all to see even if it means they follow him off the top of a cliff.
Typical reluctance to talk about the actual point. The comparison is legitimate. There is no justice here and naturally you don't want to discuss that, because you can't justify your attitude against Johnson when I compare the much more serious case against Blair.

Just let your brain do the thinking, Den, and put your emotion to one side.

Can you do that? Can anyone on here do that?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36153969)
The committee assessed the evidence put before it and issued its report. That’s all there is to it. All you’re doing is trying to make everyone look away to distract them from how truly awful your man is. The fact nobody wants to play with you should give you a hint about how transparently ridiculous you’re being.
Chris, I don't care. I've told you why. This is a gross over-reaction, and Blair's treatment proves that.

Itshim 16-06-2023 19:10
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36153969)
The committee assessed the evidence put before it and issued its report. That’s all there is to it. All you’re doing is trying to make everyone look away to distract them from how truly awful your man is. The fact nobody wants to play with you should give you a hint about how transparently ridiculous you’re being.
I was just pointing out the inconsistency of the way people view things. Blair and Bush went to war on lies , Boris has cake in his place of work and all hell breaks out , Starmer eats fish and chips drinks beer away from his, nothing wrong . As if it is going to be the same rules for every one. Just for reference I like Boris , he seems get things done , whether you agree or not but trust him to tell the truth , would need to fact check it. Thinking about it not so different from every other MP , banker or any supermarket owner.:D in other words ,check everything believe no one.:shocked:

TheDaddy 16-06-2023 19:10
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153966)
Nobody is answering the real point, which is consistency and justice.

Of course, no-one on this forum wants to discuss that, do they?

Never mind, the avoidance or silence says it all.
What are you on about you damp quilt, the vast majority of this country and this forum I'd wager would be delighted to see Blair in The Hague maybe they'd even like it more than never seeing or hearing from bozo again

jfman 16-06-2023 19:23
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Justice :rofl:

Pierre 16-06-2023 19:37
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36153974)
What are you on about you damp quilt, the vast majority of this country and this forum I'd wager would be delighted to see Blair in The Hague maybe they'd even like it more than never seeing or hearing from bozo again
Correct, with Campbell along side him.

Chris 16-06-2023 19:37
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153971)
Chris, I don't care. I've told you why. This is a gross over-reaction, and Blair's treatment proves that.
You so obviously do, which is why you’ve spent the last 36 hours setting up enough straw men for a re-make of Worzel Gummidge.

OLD BOY 16-06-2023 20:34
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36153974)
What are you on about you damp quilt, the vast majority of this country and this forum I'd wager would be delighted to see Blair in The Hague maybe they'd even like it more than never seeing or hearing from bozo again
Maybe, but funny how you can’t bring yourself to address the issue I’m talking about, consistency.

You don’t have an answer, do you?

GrimUpNorth 16-06-2023 20:38
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153966)
Nobody is answering the real point, which is consistency and justice.

Of course, no-one on this forum wants to discuss that, do they?

Never mind, the avoidance or silence says it all.
I'll answer the question. I think Tony Blair was a slimeball too. I never voted for the party when he was leader and was glad when he was no more. If he mislead parliament then he should have been taken to task over it.

You should ask your MP why he didn't campaign for Tony to be hauled over the coals but then he'd maybe have to face up to not being outspoken about Boris so he'd be guilty of inconsistency which for you would never do.

jfman 16-06-2023 20:39
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153988)
Maybe, but funny how you can’t bring yourself to address the issue I’m talking about, consistency.

You don’t have an answer, do you?
So nobody should ever be held accountable because someone else at some different point in time wasn’t held accountable for doing something entirely different?

Hugh 16-06-2023 20:46
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153988)
Maybe, but funny how you can’t bring yourself to address the issue I’m talking about, consistency.

You don’t have an answer, do you?
https://img.memegenerator.net/instances/75272804.jpg

TheDaddy 16-06-2023 21:51
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153988)
Maybe, but funny how you can’t bring yourself to address the issue I’m talking about, consistency.

You don’t have an answer, do you?
Really, I thought it was about justice or a hate campaign or being spiteful, truth is you're just a bit of a snowflake who thinks poor bozo has been treated terribly unfairly and most of the rest of us think it couldn't have happened to a nicer fella

Sephiroth 16-06-2023 22:35
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153966)
Nobody is answering the real point, which is consistency and justice.

Of course, no-one on this forum wants to discuss that, do they?

Never mind, the avoidance or silence says it all.

Dragging the Blair business into the matter of Boris' demise is nothing more than a contrivance. The events of 20 years ago have nothing to do in context, reason nor sensibility with the Boris situation.

The sanctimonious toads of the Privileges Committee rightly found Boris to be a lying toad for reasons obvious to all.

The country had hoped for a Boris who could do better than he actually did and got far less. He lied to the nation about the Irish Sea border; he lied to the nation when he claimed that he'd fixed social care He got got because he lied to Parliament.

Dave42 16-06-2023 22:42
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EXCLUSIVE: Boris Johnson’s 25 notebooks from his time in office are being withheld from him by the government after a review by the security services found pages of highly sensitive material
https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1669813774633558017

jfman 16-06-2023 22:52
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36153995)
Lord Lebedev likes this.

Paddy1 16-06-2023 23:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153988)
Maybe, but funny how you can’t bring yourself to address the issue I’m talking about, consistency.

You don’t have an answer, do you?
Just to be clear. Are you arguing that...

A. It was correct not to pursue Blair for his lies and it was therefore unfair to pursue Boris

Or

B. It was correct to pursue Boris and therefore unfair not to pursue Blair?

OLD BOY 17-06-2023 09:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy1 (Post 36154000)
Just to be clear. Are you arguing that...

A. It was correct not to pursue Blair for his lies and it was therefore unfair to pursue Boris

Or

B. It was correct to pursue Boris and therefore unfair not to pursue Blair?
Both A & B.

Sephiroth 17-06-2023 09:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy1 (Post 36154000)
Just to be clear. Are you arguing that...

A. It was correct not to pursue Blair for his lies and it was therefore unfair to pursue Boris

Or

B. It was correct to pursue Boris and therefore unfair not to pursue Blair?

Spot on. I was surprised that OB took this spurious line, especially since it accepts that both are/were liars.

OB should not be supporting a proven liar.


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NADS

I’ve some sympathy for NADS. She was an excellent Media/Culture SOS, taking on the BBC etc. Also, here past is strewn with good causes and good deeds.

Her sycophancy for Boris has overtaken reasonableness and has placed her into the wretched group think class.

jfman 17-06-2023 09:34
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36154011)
Both A & B.
:rofl:

So like your dear leader you have no principled stance. You will simply say anything as a matter of convenience, even when there is clearly a side to be picked.

Quelle surprise.

Hugh 17-06-2023 10:17
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36154012)

Spot on. I was surprised that OB took this spurious line, especially since it accepts that both are/were liars.

OB should not be supporting a proven liar.


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NADS

I’ve some sympathy for NADS. She was an excellent Media/Culture SOS, taking on the BBC etc. Also, here past is strewn with good causes and good deeds.

Her sycophancy for Boris has overtaken reasonableness and has placed her into the wretched group think class.
Sounds familiar…

Just out of curiosity (as I can’t find anything online), could you provide examples of Nads’ "good causes and good deeds*", please?

*not counting when she said she was going to give her MP’s salary for the time she was in GMOOHIAC, as she would have donated £5k but earned £20k

OLD BOY 17-06-2023 12:42
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36154016)
:rofl:

So like your dear leader you have no principled stance. You will simply say anything as a matter of convenience, even when there is clearly a side to be picked.

Quelle surprise.
Don’t be ridiculous. I have contrasted how two ex Prime Ministers have been dealt with to show that Boris is being hounded out whereas Blair got away with it, and it was Blair who committed a worse misdemeanour.

Do you really believe that the action taken against Boris was fair when Blair got off lying to justify going to war? Do you not have a sense of proportion, man?

jfman 17-06-2023 12:52
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36154022)
Don’t be ridiculous. I have contrasted how two ex Prime Ministers have been dealt with to show that Boris is being hounded out whereas Blair got away with it, and it was Blair who committed a worse misdemeanour.

Do you really believe that the action taken against Boris was fair when Blair got off lying to justify going to war? Do you not have a sense of proportion, man?
:rofl:

Your appeal to my sense of proportion has fallen on deaf ears. Since when was British politics necessarily rational or proportionate.

The question is merely whether it was the right outcome which is an overwhelming and resounding yes. Other people may have gotten away with it but that's like saying we should release every criminal because there's unsolved crime.

OLD BOY 17-06-2023 14:20
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36154023)
:rofl:

Your appeal to my sense of proportion has fallen on deaf ears. Since when was British politics necessarily rational or proportionate.

The question is merely whether it was the right outcome which is an overwhelming and resounding yes. Other people may have gotten away with it but that's like saying we should release every criminal because there's unsolved crime.
You just can’t bring yourself to acknowledge the obvious, can you?

jfman 17-06-2023 14:39
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36154028)
You just can’t bring yourself to acknowledge the obvious, can you?
Take a look in the mirror for that line, OB.

As I say, the logical conclusion from your ludicrous assertion is that nobody, anywhere, should ever be held accountable for their actions. It's a mystery why you continue to ignore the obvious that he's just a liar, a crook, a spineless politician. He's not even a conservative by any meaning of the word.

No-one of his standing should be anywhere near an elected Parliament, let alone ascend to high office. The fact people have, and will no continue to do so with corruption as much an English pastime as cricket, is irrelevant.

Hom3r 17-06-2023 16:43
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I trust Boris way more that Liebours KS

denphone 17-06-2023 16:50
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36154031)
I trust Boris way more that Liebours KS
So you trust a serial liar more then someone who upholds the law.:rolleyes:

OLD BOY 17-06-2023 17:59
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36154029)
Take a look in the mirror for that line, OB.

As I say, the logical conclusion from your ludicrous assertion is that nobody, anywhere, should ever be held accountable for their actions. It's a mystery why you continue to ignore the obvious that he's just a liar, a crook, a spineless politician. He's not even a conservative by any meaning of the word.

No-one of his standing should be anywhere near an elected Parliament, let alone ascend to high office. The fact people have, and will no continue to do so with corruption as much an English pastime as cricket, is irrelevant.
I was not questioning that. I was comparing his treatment with that of Blair.

Oh, never mind, it’s like getting blood out of a stone. :afire:

jfman 17-06-2023 18:06
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36154034)
I was not questioning that. I was comparing his treatment with that of Blair.

Oh, never mind, it’s like getting blood out of a stone. :afire:
So, what are you questioning? You agree Boris is a liar, a crook, corrupt, shouldn’t be in front line politics but because Blair took us to war twenty years ago he should get a free pass. :rofl:

Boris has lived his whole life getting free passes. The Conservative Party, and indeed the country, can’t afford to give him another.

ianch99 17-06-2023 18:31
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I think that now Johnson is no longer an electoral asset at any level, it is only the deluded that would continue to sponsor him for any future role in public life. Don't get me wrong, the continued factional infighting is very much welcomed as it continues to illuminate how craven and venal this Party has become.

The funniest part of all of this is that those who bet their personal credibility & futures on Johnson are now so exposed. Prime time entertainment :) It is a pity that it took trashing the country to get to a point when the country can conclude he was a snake oil salesman after all.

jfman 17-06-2023 18:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36154036)
I think that now Johnson is no longer an electoral asset at any level, it is only the deluded that would continue to sponsor him for any future role in public life. Don't get me wrong, the continued factional infighting is very much welcomed as it continues to illuminate how craven and venal this Party has become.

The funniest part of all of this is that those who bet their personal credibility & futures on Johnson are now so exposed. Prime time entertainment :) It is a pity that it took trashing the country to get to a point when the country can conclude he was a snake oil salesman after all.
Richard Sharp’s friends could bet their last pound (rather than lend it to Boris Johnson) that if he was in any way an electoral asset he would have been retained.

However he was heaping lie upon lie, disgrace upon disgrace, to the point it was unpalatable to all but the most deluded of his acolytes in the party.

Pierre 17-06-2023 19:53
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I suppose we have to wait for the next populist to weigh in.

18 months of Sunak, 5 years of Starmer, the country will be crying out for someone that looks remotely three dimensional.

Sephiroth 17-06-2023 19:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36153957)
Nail. On. Head. Well done, Itshim.

Blair lied about the ‘weapons of mass destruction’ to get permission to go to war. That was a far bigger misdemeanour than anything Boris has done, and yet when did he get suspended from Parliament?

This is a Boris hate campaign, and Blair is a good example to demonstrate that fact.
<SNIP>

From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blair#cite_note-100

Quote:
As the casualties of the Iraq War mounted, Blair was accused of misleading Parliament,[99][100] and his popularity dropped as a result,[101][102] with Labour's overall majority at the 2005 election reduced from 167 to 66 seats. As a combined result of the Blair–Brown pact, the Iraq War and low approval ratings, pressure built up within the Labour Party for Blair to resign.[103] Over the summer of 2006, many MPs criticised Blair for not calling for a ceasefire in the Israel–Lebanon conflict.[104] On 7 September 2006, Blair publicly stated he would step down as leader by the time of the Trades Union Congress conference held from 10 to 13 September 2007,[105] despite promising to serve a full term during the previous general election campaign. On 10 May 2007, during a speech at the Trimdon Labour Club, Blair announced his intention to resign as both Labour leader and prime minister,[106] triggering a leadership election in which Brown was the only candidate.[107]

At a special party conference in Manchester on 24 June 2007, Blair formally handed over the leadership of the Labour Party to Brown, who had been Chancellor of the Exchequer in Blair's three ministries.[108] Blair tendered his resignation as prime minister on 27 June and Brown assumed office the same afternoon. Blair resigned from his Sedgefield seat in the traditional form of accepting the Stewardship of the Chiltern Hundreds, to which he was appointed by Brown in one of the latter's last acts as chancellor;[109] the resulting by-election was won by Labour candidate Phil Wilson. Blair decided not to issue a list of Resignation Honours, making him the first prime minister of the modern era not to do so.
I've provided the above material out because the events as between Blair & Boris differ.

BLAIR

1/
Blair lied but when the game was up he resigned before any misleading Parliament charges were formally brought against him. We'll never know whethlieder or not he was threatened with investigation.

2/
This was a different Parliament, different members and a different system for dealing with privileges.

3/
BLAIR did a runner before they could get to him.


BORIS

1/
Boris held parties in Downing Street that broke his own contact/lockdown rules. Photographs proved this.

2/
Boris tried to change the rules to get disgraced Owen Paterson off the hook.

3/
Then there was the Chapman Pincher affair, when Boris said he didn't know about allegations over Pincher's sexual behaviour before his appointment to Government. Boris had to retract this when it was proved that he knew in advance.

4/
Boris lied to Parliament when he said he'd been repeatedly told he was observing the rules. (He maintained those lies in evidence to the Privileges Committee).

5/
Privileges Committee proceedings were instigated against Boris in April 2022. He resigned in July 2022 after some 50 ministers resigned because of the continual ethics issues surrounding Boris.

6/
Had Boris also resigned from Parliament, the Privileges Committee might have stopped its proceedings because there was nobdy around they could have sanctioned.


Comparing liar Blair with liar Boris in the way that OB is doing cannot be justified.



Mad Max 17-06-2023 20:34
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It's still a witch hunt.

GrimUpNorth 17-06-2023 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36154042)
It's still a witch hunt.
Could well be, but I'm sure witches can be lying slime balls too.

Mr K 17-06-2023 20:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36154039)
I suppose we have to wait for the next populist to weigh in.

18 months of Sunak, 5 years of Starmer, the country will be crying out for someone that looks remotely three dimensional.
So leader of the nation is a personality contest ? Maybe viewers should phone in the latest tv reality drivel?

Competent and honest would do for me, whatever political colour. It's a high bar atm.

Sephiroth 17-06-2023 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36154035)
So, what are you questioning? You agree Boris is a liar, a crook, corrupt, shouldn’t be in front line politics but because Blair took us to war twenty years ago he should get a free pass. :rofl:

Boris has lived his whole life getting free passes. The Conservative Party, and indeed the country, can’t afford to give him another.

No, John. OB thinks that Blair should have been investigated by the then Privileges Committee and if not, then nor should Boris have been impeached.

OB is wrong for the reasons I have already given. But, in this instance, so were you.

Mad Max 17-06-2023 20:51
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Was Blair responsible for the deaths that occurred after his comments about WMD?

Pierre 17-06-2023 23:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36154044)
So leader of the nation is a personality contest
You think it isn’t? ……..oh …ok

Quote:
Competent and honest would do for me
when has that……ever……..been on the ballot?

I think you’ve had a few tonight and are now in club utopia. Drinks are not free .

jfman 18-06-2023 00:03
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It might never have been on the ballot, but then neither has such egregious corruption and lying as Johnson 2023. Indeed, it's noteworthy it was the party who stepped in to bin him. It wasn't Starmer, it wasn't remoaners. It was backbenchers terrified what the outcome of the next election would look like with him at the helm.

Stuart 19-06-2023 16:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36154036)
I think that now Johnson is no longer an electoral asset at any level, it is only the deluded that would continue to sponsor him for any future role in public life. Don't get me wrong, the continued factional infighting is very much welcomed as it continues to illuminate how craven and venal this Party has become.

The funniest part of all of this is that those who bet their personal credibility & futures on Johnson are now so exposed. Prime time entertainment :) It is a pity that it took trashing the country to get to a point when the country can conclude he was a snake oil salesman after all.
I think the problem is that people saw the genial funny man presenting Have I Got News For You, or the enthusiastic London Mayor and thought that's what we would get. Note: I don't think he was a good Mayor, but he was good ambassador for London.

We did get a comedian as PM. Just not a funny one.

Boris should not be allowed anywhere near Parliament. Unfortunately, I can't think of a single senior Tory I would argue should be allowed near Parliament. I daresay the grassroots Tories can sometimes make good MPs, but it seems those who get to the senior levels forget the voters.

1andrew1 20-06-2023 00:10
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Sunak not so much sitting on the fence but taking up permanent residence there!

Quote:
Boris Johnson denied special access to parliament as MPs endorse report which said he lied

Boris Johnson has been stripped of special access to parliament after MPs endorsed the privileges committee's report that he lied about parties in Downing Street during the COVID pandemic.

MPs voted by 354 to seven to back the report's findings.

A total of 118 Conservatives voted for the report, while 225 abstaine

A total of eight Cabinet ministers backed the privileges committee report, including Justice Secretary Alex Chalk, Education Secretary Gillian Keegan, Chief Whip Simon Hart and Commons Leader Penny Mordaunt.

The seven Conservative MPs who voted against the report were Bill Cash, Nick Fletcher, Adam Holloway, Karl McCartney, Joy Morrissey, Desmond Swayne and Heather Wheeler.

Rishi Sunak - who was not present for the debate or vote - was accused of a "cowardly cop-out" by the Liberal Democrats.

Deputy Leader Daisy Cooper MP said his failure to vote "says all you need to know about this prime minister's lack of leadership".

"Sunak promised integrity yet when push came to shove, he was too weak to even turn up."
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...-lied-12905498

Dave42 20-06-2023 00:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36154223)
Sunak not so much sitting on the fence but taking up permanent residence there!


https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...-lied-12905498
Sunak is just like Johnson one mega big LIAR and well done to the 118 Tories that stood up for Parliament rest should hang there heads in total shame

1andrew1 20-06-2023 09:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36154224)
Sunak is just like Johnson one mega big LIAR and well done to the 118 Tories that stood up for Parliament rest should hang there heads in total shame
Maybe someone's got some more party photos and videos and hinted it was in his interests to honour his charitable engagement instead?

Theresa May was in good, stateswoman form last night.

Muppet of the evening went to Grimsby's Lia Nici who made a bold speech proclaiming why she would vote against the report. But then she didn't! :D

Dave42 20-06-2023 11:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36154234)
Maybe someone's got some more party photos and videos and hinted it was in his interests to honour his charitable engagement instead?

Theresa May was in good, stateswoman form last night.

Muppet of the evening went to Grimsby's Lia Nici who made a bold speech proclaiming why she would vote against the report. But then she didn't! :D
yes her speak was very good

Saul's Grandad 20-06-2023 11:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36154234)
Muppet of the evening went to Grimsby's Lia Nici who made a bold speech proclaiming why she would vote against the report. But then she didn't! :D
While claiming that there was no evidence to show Johnson lied...holding the very document that provided details of the evidence :dunce: Yea, we're not blessed with brilliant parliamentarians here in the wastes of NE Lincolnshire...both Nici and the Cleethorpes MP (Martin Vickers) voted in favour of pumping sewage into our rivers and seas, including around the coastline and beaches in their constituencies...because Cleethorpes' seaside economy isn't important to our local overall economy...D'oh!:rolleyes:

Terry4947 21-06-2023 10:14
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I believe the real reason why Boris had to take so many 'attacks' from people who should have been supporting him ,was he was not one of 'The old boy network' but a Maverick who knew what he wanted and did it his way. I agree he did not play by the rules, but did his advisors say(at the time- This is wrong- No they wanted the Party and the Glory), could anyone else have mastered Europe and Covid19 like he did? Did anyone stand up and say 'Well Done', no; of course not, they were too busy covering their own backsides. He was his own person who said what he thought.
He made mistakes, but show me any politician who has not made a mistake and covered it up
He was the right person in the right job at the right time.

Mr K 21-06-2023 10:33
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry4947 (Post 36154311)
I believe the real reason why Boris had to take so many 'attacks' from people who should have been supporting him ,was he was not one of 'The old boy network' but a Maverick who knew what he wanted and did it his way. I agree he did not play by the rules, but did his advisors say(at the time- This is wrong- No they wanted the Party and the Glory), could anyone else have mastered Europe and Covid19 like he did? Did anyone stand up and say 'Well Done', no; of course not, they were too busy covering their own backsides. He was his own person who said what he thought.
He made mistakes, but show me any politician who has not made a mistake and covered it up
He was the right person in the right job at the right time.
He's an incompetent habitual liar who's only interest is himself I'm afraid Terry.

Just look at the number of offspring, affairs different partners. Or the 4 jobs he was sacked from for lying befire he somehow became a lying PM. He's never done a day's work in his life. Self gratification in both his personal and working lives. Inherited wealth is all he has and the support of those whose wealth he protects or gives honours to.

He's a bit of character I'll give you that. But it's not an entertainment job.

1andrew1 21-06-2023 10:51
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry4947 (Post 36154311)
I believe the real reason why Boris had to take so many 'attacks' from people who should have been supporting him ,was he was not one of 'The old boy network' but a Maverick who knew what he wanted and did it his way. I agree he did not play by the rules, but did his advisors say(at the time- This is wrong- No they wanted the Party and the Glory), could anyone else have mastered Europe and Covid19 like he did? Did anyone stand up and say 'Well Done', no; of course not, they were too busy covering their own backsides. He was his own person who said what he thought.
He made mistakes, but show me any politician who has not made a mistake and covered it up
He was the right person in the right job at the right time.
Going to Eton by definition makes you one of the old boy network. He's very much of the establishment.

His advisers told him that he could not advise Parliament he had followed all the lockdown rules but he ignored them and lied to Parliament. He even ‘sought to rewrite’ Covid rules to fit his own evidence.

As for Brexit, we got a terrible and incomplete deal that puts the UK in a far weaker position than it needed to be.

Johnson is a good ribbon-cutter and he's done a great job on rallying support for Ukraine.

However, there's never a right time for a clown to be PM.

jfman 21-06-2023 10:57
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry4947 (Post 36154311)
I believe the real reason why Boris had to take so many 'attacks' from people who should have been supporting him ,was he was not one of 'The old boy network' but a Maverick who knew what he wanted and did it his way. I agree he did not play by the rules, but did his advisors say(at the time- This is wrong- No they wanted the Party and the Glory), could anyone else have mastered Europe and Covid19 like he did? Did anyone stand up and say 'Well Done', no; of course not, they were too busy covering their own backsides. He was his own person who said what he thought.
He made mistakes, but show me any politician who has not made a mistake and covered it up
He was the right person in the right job at the right time.
One might argue he only got any of the jobs he’s ever had because he is part of an old boys network.

On the plus side, OB is no longer the most deluded fantasist on these boards.

daveeb 21-06-2023 11:14
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36154318)
One might argue he only got any of the jobs he’s ever had because he is part of an old boys network.

On the plus side, OB is no longer the most deluded fantasist on these boards.
:D unfortunately we probably all know a Terry 4947 :erm:

Hugh 21-06-2023 11:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry4947 (Post 36154311)
I believe the real reason why Boris had to take so many 'attacks' from people who should have been supporting him ,was he was not one of 'The old boy network' but a Maverick who knew what he wanted and did it his way. I agree he did not play by the rules, but did his advisors say(at the time- This is wrong- No they wanted the Party and the Glory), could anyone else have mastered Europe and Covid19 like he did? Did anyone stand up and say 'Well Done', no; of course not, they were too busy covering their own backsides. He was his own person who said what he thought.
He made mistakes, but show me any politician who has not made a mistake and covered it up
He was the right person in the right job at the right time.
"not one of 'The old boy network'"??

Johnson went to Eton and then studied Literae humaniores at Oxford, was the Oxford Union Secretary, got a job at the Times through family connections (got fired for lying), then got a job at the Telegraph through University connections (Max Hastings), and his children all went to fee-paying schools…


From the Sunday Times…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1687343710

Sephiroth 21-06-2023 11:51
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 

Hugh seems to be turning into a Robespierre.


Hugh 21-06-2023 11:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36154325)

Hugh seems to be turning into a Robespierre.

Thank you…

https://www.britannica.com/biography...eign-of-Terror

Quote:
Robespierre’s enemies credited him with dictatorial power, both in the Jacobin Club and in the Committee of Public Safety, a power that he did not have. Counterrevolutionaries and the rich condemned his egalitarian ideas, while popular militants accused him of lacking boldness. After his death, his memory was relentlessly attacked, and a great many of his papers were destroyed. History portrayed him as either a bloodthirsty creature or a timid bourgeois.

But, following the appearance of working-class movements in the 19th century, both in France and abroad, homage was paid to this “persecuted patriot,” and his most famous speeches were reprinted. His social ideal consisted in reducing extreme inequalities of wealth, in increasing the number of small property owners, and in ensuring work and education for all. He was a man of his times, of the Enlightenment, a patriot, a man with a sense of duty and of sacrifice, whose influence remains considerable.

1andrew1 21-06-2023 12:06
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36154318)
On the plus side, OB is no longer the most deluded fantasist on these boards.
A sentence I never expected to read on this forum! :D

Mad Max 22-06-2023 19:54
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36154325)

Hugh seems to be turning into a Robespierre.

No way, he is the Gif king. :D

Hugh 22-06-2023 21:04
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36154424)
No way, he is the Gif king. :D
https://media4.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2...2Yue/giphy.gif

1andrew1 29-06-2023 11:03
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
The democracy deniers are called out.
Quote:
Nadine Dorries and Jacob Rees-Mogg among 10 named in privileges committee special report on partygate probe

The privileges committee has released its report into interference in its Boris Johnson partygate probe, naming seven MPs and three peers as those who put "improper pressure" on the investigation.

The group have been accused of using "unprecedented and co-ordinated pressure", which "had significant personal impact on individual members and raised significant security concerns".

Other senior Tories named include former cabinet minister Priti Patel and Lord Zac Goldsmith, who is a serving minister.

MPs Mark Jenkinson, Michael Fabricant, Brendan Clarke-Smith and Andrea Jenkyns are all also cited in the report for criticising the investigation with tweets and media interviews attacking the committee.

The report said they sought to influence the outcome of the inquiry, impede its work by inducing members to resign and "discredit the committee as a whole".
https://news.sky.com/story/nadine-do...probe-12911488

denphone 29-06-2023 13:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36154830)
The democracy deniers are called out.

https://news.sky.com/story/nadine-do...probe-12911488
They only want democracy when it suits their own political ends.

Dave42 29-06-2023 14:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36154843)
They only want democracy when it suits their own political ends.
and they only want free speech when you agree with them too total hypocrites

1andrew1 29-06-2023 14:16
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36154843)
They only want democracy when it suits their own political ends.
They're just weasel words aren't they?

Hugh 26-07-2023 17:42
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Nadine Dorries’ TV on Monday… ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1690389675

jfman 26-07-2023 18:00
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Maybe if it was her mum on TV.

TheDaddy 26-07-2023 20:30
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36157262)
Nadine Dorries’ TV on Monday… ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1690389675
What's her qualifications other than almost certainly being one of bozos ******* offspring, the whole system needs pulling down, why we've dothed our caps and put up with it from our betters so long is beyond me

Hugh 01-11-2023 21:28
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https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1698873665

Explains the hairstyle….

For context

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67287003

TheDaddy 26-11-2023 20:38
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Ruth Perry, the headteacher who possibly took her own life after a critical ofsted report's family have been refused legal aid for an inquest into her death, yet millionaire bozo got £265k to cover his legal fees over Partygate, where is the justice in this country anymore :(

Mr K 26-11-2023 20:45
Re: Boris misled just about everyone.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36165064)
Ruth Perry, the headteacher who possibly took her own life after a critical ofsted report's family have been refused legal aid for an inquest into her death, yet millionaire bozo got £265k to cover his legal fees over Partygate, where is the justice in this country anymore :(
Remember 'we're all in this together', but some are more equal than others, particularly if you're a Tory.

Damien 26-11-2023 22:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36165064)
Ruth Perry, the headteacher who possibly took her own life after a critical ofsted report's family have been refused legal aid for an inquest into her death, yet millionaire bozo got £265k to cover his legal fees over Partygate, where is the justice in this country anymore :(
The cuts to legal aid are awful and should be reversed but this isn't quite the same thing. Johnson is getting his legal fees paid because the legal challenge relates to his role in Government. You would expect the employer to cover legal fees relating to a staff member's work.


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