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Also the rudest, bloody minded, money grabbing, people you could hope to ever come across live there. Its the one state we do not do business with unless it's 100% upfront. So we have never dealt with anyone one there :shocked:

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And should he get the nomination and then win , he can pardon himself. (Really don't know but can't think why he couldn't) :rolleyes:

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How do you know we do not do business with any state in the US? If you could provide a confirming link I'd be happy to be wrong.

I don't know if he can pardon himself, he has to get elected first. Not my problem.

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Well, Trump was based there for 36 years…

Pretty sure he couldn’t "self pardon", or else Nixon would have… ;)

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-u...r-idUSKBN29L0D

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I thought he was referring to his own business.

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It would be helpful to know that.

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Very sad that it came to this, but relieved to see justice progress here.
https://www.ft.com/content/f53a9be4-...1-0c81791e4c96

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Fantastic news. Looking forward to a guilty verdict.

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If it was (just about) anyone else you'd think they were a bust flush however Trump has a knack of turning any circumstances to his advantage. America is in a bigger mess than us and that's saying something.

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I hear you but the yanks need to send a message to any future presidents that criminal despots cannot get away with blatant crime even at the highest level. Plus it will make any future patronising down-talk they have about other leaders abusing their position very hard to take seriously if he gets away with it or isn’t punished appropriately.

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I think it's odd how quickly people just got over the fact that in the most powerful and famous democracy in the world, we had the loser refusing to accept it and their supporters storming government buildings. Scenes we would associate with failing democracies in much smaller nations.

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I also still find it incredible that Trump still enjoys such strong support. What he did was not far off on a coup but there he is travelling round the world and still polling high.

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If the politicised US courts are anything to go by , that's unlikely.

If you're rich and powerful enough you can escape justice there. If you're poor and black though, they'll execute you, little evidence required.

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Vast swathes of the population there are "religiously" entrenched in their approval of him. Trumps famous old comment about shooting someone and still being popular is probably spot on.

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Innocent until proven guilty. So you support a Putin style lock up of your opponents, because he’s high up in the polls. Why didn’t they (Pathetic Biden Administration) indict him two years ago at the time?

Trump didn’t storm the Capitol building and he’s on video at the time telling everyone to go home & respect law & order.

The Biden Administration is the most corrupt ever, & most useless, homelessness up tenfold, migrants sleeping on street corners, some absolute shit holes, mostly in Democrat run States. But Trump man bad & derangement syndrome strikes again. :rolleyes:

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No Mick I support the locking up of criminals.

If Biden can be proven to have committed a crime then yes he needs locking up too.

But I’m pretty certain that won’t happen. For all his faults he’s not the career criminal Trump is.

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I am guessing they’re going to focus on the rally he had before hand, if he ceded the warnings, the phone calls to governors in places like Georgia and if he delayed deploying the national guard.

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Oh yeah if Biden has committed crimes then he needs to be investigated as well. Presidents are not above the law and that includes Trump.

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If he if found guilty and gets prison time he'll be pardoned by the next president anyway. If that happens then not sure how that'll go down.

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Bingo!

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Yes, derangement syndrome certainly has struck again :D

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Homelessness up 0.3%…

https://endhomelessness.org/homeless...-homelessness/

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I wouldn’t die on the hill of those numbers, I don’t think there is a real accurate assessment of the issue given:-

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judysto...h=103668a08998

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You’re still jumping ahead, you’re not a criminal until convicted. It’s still innocent until proven guilty.

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I seem to remember a lot of people shouting "lock her up" - not much "due process" then…

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I know I’m jumping ahead, most people form an opinion of someone’s guilt (or lack of) before the jury has their say. It just so happens that I’ve read a lot of information about his apparent business “practices” that lead me to believe he’s no stranger to trashing laws that get in his way.

Add in the fact that he comes across as an absolute simpleton who craves being seen as a benevolent genius, as well as coming across as a thoroughly unlikeable and unpleasant human to me then yeah, I’ve already decided he’s guilty.

However I’m afforded that right as I’m not on his jury.

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Haters are gonna hate; which is all irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, as is your derangement syndrome on Trump. The stupid Biden Administration has weaponised the Department of Justice, Merrick Garland, Atorney General of the United States, needs to be impeached for gross interference in an election cycle of Biden’s main rival, Trump & trampling over Trumps 1st Amendment Rights to Free speech which the Constitution affords him that lawful right.

In 2017, just before Trump took the oath of office, several Democrat House of Representatives, tried to halt and stop the certification of Donald Trump’s presidency, they too now need to be indicted for trying to overturn the electoral votes.

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Well, she did actually violate the law on storage of classified material, she should have been indicted, but because there was rogue players in the FBI, i.e Democrat supporting idiots, she got off Scot free. Thankfully, it ruined her presidency hopes.

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And potatoes are going to potate.

Isn’t calling someone “deranged” a personal attack? I don’t ever recall personally attacking you for an opinion I disagreed with Mick.

You need to step back from your black/white view of this Mick. Just because I take a dim view of former President Pigshit does not mean I’m a fan of Biden. I’m not a fan of either and why would I? They’re not my presidents.

If Biden can be proven to have broken the law then by all means put him on trial. It happened to Bill Clinton.

The problem now is there’s too much evidence (notice I didn’t say “proof” - there’s a difference, I work in Law and deal with similar matters) to indicate Trump has gone against their laws and constitution.

If the similar crops up for Biden then I look forward to his day in court.

Mick I don’t have a dog in this fight and neither do you. We’re allowed opinions though.

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Except for Merrick Garland who you think should be impeached? :confused:

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Also…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1691137552

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Derangement syndrome on Hunter Biden there perhaps?

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I'd have thought the fact this whole mess is of his own making would be enough to disqualify him from the process in most peoples minds, the fact it doesn't and hasn't is the derangement syndrome as far as I'm concerned

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Intimidating witnesses now? I’ll tell you who is deranged. Donald J Trump.

Yet his Trumpanzees still want him in charge of their country.

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It's a delightful campaign slogan, right up there with ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country and the only thing you have to fear is fear itself, nothing like threats to unify the country

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I wonder what would happen if Trump gets jailed then somehow wins the election, I personally think if you have any criminal charges you should disqualified from public office regardless if you are incarcerated or not.

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I think he might be talking about the investigators and the prosectors. You have to admit their bravery and you wouldn't want to be them if he wins the election.

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Yet in the Good ol' US of A he can be sent to prison, become President and then immediately give himself a pardon and walk away a free man.:rolleyes:

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Which of course is his main motivation to be President.

Not sure what his issue is, an orange jumpsuit would match his complexion nicely.

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This is the essential point here. You have someone who is basically a political thug trying to become President. The possibility of such a person being President and then pursuing a personal witch hunt against people who were following the law and its due process is alarming.

It also shows the mendacity of those that endorse him and his actions.

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If Trump is actually convicted of anything substantial, I’ll eat my ferret.

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Salt and pepper?

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Hot sauce.

Would you like me to send it to you? If I’m right.

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Today’s missive

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1691337683

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Because you don't think he's guilty, or you think he'll get away with it through corruption/abuse of power/biased judges/courts?

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He'll use all the tactics going to delay any any hearings until afters he"s President, and can absolve himself. Desperate, but it night work in that bizarre country.

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Just saying from the end of year one of his term , we had the highest profit since our records began , and that is the late 18th century. Even more than our earlier record which was post ww2 to pre Castro!

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The US deficit was $564 trillion in 2016, and $3,133 trillion in 2020, so swings/roundabouts…

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD

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It depends on what charge, they’ve thrown so much at him.

In regards to Jan 6th, he’s not guilty of anything.

In regards to the 126 charges brought by the New York DA, nothing will come of those.

In regards to the keeping of classified documents, I’m unsure about that, potential but I’m sure a good lawyer will keep him out.

I just don’t see him going down.

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Who decides if Trump is guilty or not? If it's a jury, will a majority verdict suffice or will it need to be unanimous? (I appreciate that there may be different situations for the various sets of charges.)

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Well, it should be based on the evidence, nothing else. Fat chance of that.

He’d just better hope for a jury packed with right wing rebublicans.

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Jury, and for serious crimes, unanimous verdicts.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/...p-17849841.php

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Why? Right wingers are rightly abandoning him too

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Indeed as we have the Republicans against Trump groups which are substantial in their numbers.

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Well at this early stage he’s probably still odd on to get the nomination, barring being incarcerated of course.

The Democrat response is the most interesting to me.

I can’t see them putting up Biden against Trump, or DeSantis, it would be a car crash.

How do the democrats exit Biden, and get in a replacement (not Harris) before the election?

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Biden's beaten Trump before. The economy's improved over the last few years so no reason to think he should lose. Both he and Trump are too old so younger candidates on each side would be preferable. But the US seems to think otherwise.

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I think that jury aspect is important. You just need to sew doubt in one jury member's mind or convince them that you're on trial for them and you can walk away free.

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Sorry should read early 19th :shocked:(1802)

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Biden is so cognitively impaired, to put him up against either Trump or DeSantis in a series of debates would be electoral suicide.

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So don't put him in the debates.

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Then he gets torn down for not appearing in the debates. The debates are much more part of the US electoral process, only recently copied (poorly) by us.

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DeSantis looks finished. Went all in on 'woke' issues and it's not worked. Be quite a thing for him to turn it around.

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Those saying DeSantis or Biden won't win may be interested in this article about the Georgia case.
https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://inew...et-out-2548303

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Funny he’s not presenting his report in Georgia, where he alleges all this awfulness happened.

I’m reading today that these latest charges are the ones which really will sink him if he’s convicted. These are state charges, so the President can’t subsequently pardon someone once convicted of them, and Georgia is one of the few states that won’t allow a governor to issue pardons for state convictions at all. Plus, what he’s accused of carries a minimum 5-year jail term on conviction.

So no future Republican president of the Union and no future Republican governor of Georgia will be able to spring him from jail, should he end up there.

The stakes are high.

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Not to mention the obligatory mugshot too!

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It’s also worth noting that while Trump is blowing hard about Georgia having an elected Democrat as state prosecutor, all the prosecutor can actually do at this stage is *ask* a Grand Jury to review the charges and the evidence and decide whether there’s a case to answer. The Grand Jury votes and the defendants are then either indicted, or else there’s no case to answer.

The Grand Jury in this case consisted of 23 individuals, and all of them will have been subjected to the usual theatrical and overblown jury selection process the American legal system loves so much. Trump’s legal team will have had the opportunity to spot and object to any obvious attempt to stack the jury politically against him. So even *if* the prosecution was politically motivated, it still stands or falls on the evidence, and the evidence has already been in front of a jury large enough that there’s simply no way it could have been a democrat stitch-up.

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Nearly right (amended for Northern District, which Fulton County is in)

https://www.gand.uscourts.gov/sites/...ror_HB-101.pdf

Page 3 (can’t cut and paste for some reason)

https://www.gand.uscourts.gov/jury-info

tl:dr - the Defense lawyers aren’t involved at this stage, but it’s a random selection of 23 jurors.

Also, Georgia trials can be televised…

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I still don't see any of it sticking.

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NY Times annotated version of the Indictment.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...smid=url-share

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Can I ask what you base that on, please?

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Of course he was.

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If he did actually set up the false electors scam as accused, then yes, he really was. We will find out soon enough.

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Bring on the Cable Forum viewing party! :D

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I think that belief may hold true for the other charges but not here. Trump will certainly not be playing a popular Ray Charles track for the time being. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIp9TwSEgFg

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The fake electors' thing is so stupid that it makes sense if it would be the thing that actually sticks after all the other stuff he did. Just completely mad nonsense that never would have worked and yet that sticks more than the violence in Washington.

It does pretty much amount to an attempted coup though. I really don't understand why people defend it.

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I wont be one of them, I really dont care about him, or what happens to him.

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Because they are unhinged cult followers? They need something to believe in if only to give themselves some validity/purpose and someone/thing to hate, and to divert from crap reality that is their real life?

The US does have a history of that sort of cult behaviour.

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Interesting take:

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He certainly likes to carry on digging, even when he's got nothing but granite below him.

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And there's more.

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“Donald, if you present what you basically claim is the details of your defence in the public domain now, instead of at your trial, you’re going to be accused of jury poisoning on top of everything else. This really is the time to shut up and let us get on with our jobs …”

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https://www.reuters.com/legal/trumps...se-2023-08-17/

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Surely it's best for the country to get the charges out of the way before the election. That way, the great American electorate won't be fearful of casting a vote for Trump if they think there's a chance of him being behind bars.

That's assuming the ploy isn't so that Trump can get elected and try to influence matters so he escapes prosecution. Good luck with that, given his popularity with the electorate.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...primary-polls/

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Slurring his words, talking nonsense and swaying from side to side?
Yes, it's another Trump video and the the US public is noticing his condition.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1692311328009199696

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Tbf same could be said for the current President. Out of 334 million, surely they can't be the best they've got?

If Kermit was to stand, he'd walk the election.

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More what-aboutery and deflection Mr K. Your efforts to mainstream Trump's behaviour knows no limits. :D

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Well I have to try as his main defender is awol :D

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What a choice, trumpton , at least he's the most likely candidate, or a strong chance ending up with Harris, things don't look too good.

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2 Conservative Constitutional Law professors and 1 retired Appeals Court judge so far have said the (I think) 14th ammendment bars Trump from taking office again. This is apparently seperate for any court case or indictment. I'm sure more will unfold as time goes on.

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Fulton County (Georgia) Bond set at $200,000

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1692649690

Under the terms of the bond, Trump can't perform any acts of witness intimidation, communicate directly/indirectly about the facts of the case with any co-defendants, witnesses, or victims, except through his lawyer - this includes social media posts…

https://wapo.st/3E5hi8n

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I'm looking forward to seeing the official police department photos of him later this week. Apparently, they don't put them on their website but anyone can request a copy and O'm sure they'll be all over social media pretty promptly.

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His legal team is going to have to rip out all his phone lines and install a radio frequency jammer at Mar a Lago if they want to keep Trump off the internet. I just don’t think he has it in him not to issue threats via social media. He’s a complete narcissist.

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To their credit, his legal team seem to have prevented him from releasing his report on the "rigged and stolen 2020 Georgia Presidential election".

Whether their good fortune will extend to Trump's social media posts remains to be seen.

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Didn't take him long.

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I'm not sure he's joking . His mate Putin would welcome him. That 200k dollar bail bond isn't nearly enough. Should have made it 2 billion, that would only have left him with a measly half a billion to play with. He could possibly buy Siberia with it ?

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Much as I like the idea of never seeing or hearing from Trump again, Putin would not have him. He needs his useful idiot firmly in the US, stirring up division and chaos.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66589807

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Trump seems to be bottling the Republican debates so he'll likely not appear against Biden. That is, if he's not tied up in arrests, court appearances etc.

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you're joking aren't you?

He's not bothering with the GOP primary debates because he's so far ahead in the polls he doesn't see any reason to.

Instead he's doing an interview with Tucker Carlson. When comes down to the race for the republican nomination it will between Trump and whoever is the best of the rest. Either Ramaswamy or DeSantis, by the looks of it.

Whoever gets the republican nomination can't wait to debate Biden, because anyone of the leading candidates would destroy him.

Even Biden's own team don't let anyone ask him non pre-approved and filed in advance questions. After he gives a speech usually no questions are allowed.

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I wouldn't be so sure. Trump is clearly not the man he was last year. A Trump-Biden debate could end up making Biden look like someone with the intellect of Stephen Fry and the physique of Joe Calzaghe in his hey day. Well, I might be exaggerating slightly but you get my drift. :D

That's not a reflection of any uptick in Biden but more reflective of where Trump is now - unsteady on his feet, slurring his words, promising to release reports then not and hiding from his opponents with appearances limited to uber friendly YouTube channels.