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For the sake of a balanced discussion … he has a mandate from the one place he actually needs one. From the King, acting on advice, that he’s the one most likely to enjoy the confidence etc etc etc.

At the risk of taking this off on a tangent, I’m curious to hear other posters’ ideas for how this system should be reformed. Because it seems to me that simply holding another general election doesn’t actually address the claimed problem (we don’t elect a prime minister and it’s clear from detailed polling and regional variations in people’s reasons for voting for various candidates that most people understand that’s not what they’re doing).

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Calm down dear, just because the truth is uncomfortable, it does not mean it is wrong.

Regarding the new (again) Home Secretary, here is her recent signature piece that would not be out of place in Putins's Russia or North Korea:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/pub...-anti-protest/

So true:

The fact that Sunak has re-appointed her means he is complicit in this (continuing) lurch to the right.

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All of those grounds are things a judge would have to review before deciding whether to grant an injunction. The bill empowers the Home Secretary to ask, not to act.

Presumably there’s some addendum to Godwin’s Law aimed at people who have totally devalued the word ‘fascism’ by using it against anyone minded to believe the police should have the power to ensure public safety rather than simply carrying a bottle of Loctite De-Bonder on their belt loops.

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Which, ironically, is what makes it so flimsy.

Even if we accept there is no better system (which I doubt, but that’s an aside) it doesn’t change the challenges he faces sitting behind him in the chamber due to the circumstances of his appointment, rather than election. His party membership voted for someone else a mere seven weeks ago.

Just as well he’s not leading a left wing socialist Government in South America or an oil rich one in the Middle East. It’d be grounds for US intervention.

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I’m no Sunak fan, I still think a GE should have happened. But we are, where we are. I do think in PMQs he gave Starmer a pasting, Starmer tried to attack him on the Nom-dom issue, but Sunak just threw it back regarding Starmer being the guy propping up Putin apologist, Jeremy Corbyn.

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I'm happy to debate this in another thread, but we've been told to stick to the PM

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Discussing his cabinet picks is fine, so long as it’s not going on and on about another one specific issue, with one of his picks.

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I don't think the system should be reformed. It needs to be clear that we don't elect PMs. There should just be an understanding from the Government not to push their luck and assume they've been appointed to do whatever they want when they want.

The issue with Truss was she tried to bulldoze through a completely different agenda claiming she had a mandate for this because Tory Members elected her for it. That blew up so they change PM again and this time with a different agenda. He has paid lip service to following the mandate from 2019 but let's see what actually comes out.

We need to allow governing parties to change leaders - especially when it becomes clear the leader is a buffoon - but if these changes precipitate a big shift in ideology and policy then they should seek a mandate from the entire country rather than this self-absorbed melodrama we've seen from them this summer. A lot of this chaos has happened because the Tories wanted to have an internal debate on who they should be as a party.

We elect parties on a general idea of who they are. We don't hand them the keys for 5 years to use the country as a test subject which they can use to experiment with their internal competing ideas.

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Rishi Sunak brings back fracking ban lifted by Truss.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2210893.html

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We might also see triple-locked pensions not triple-locked again: https://twitter.com/JasonGroves1/sta...50247009189889

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Doing as he's told by Agent Schwab.

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Indeed, it’s completely disingenuous to portray the passing of the torch from Johnson resigning in disgrace, then Truss being unable to govern and Sunak taking up the mantle being the ordinary set of circumstances as envisaged in a completely unwritten constitution.

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I think there is also a question of how much can a country change before it's better to just go back to the public and say that you need a new mandate.

It'll be disingenuous to hold the Tories to everything in the 2019 manfesto after COVID, after Ukraine and with high inflation across the world. That's why I think parties should govern to a theme/idea rather than explicitly the words as written in a prior time.

However, if the change is so fundamental that it requires a fundamental shift in governing approach then wouldn't it be healthier to seek a new mandate?

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Hardly.

Our constitution is decorated by pageantry and crown authority but the reality is the King can’t do this without advice, and the advice is always that the leader of the largest party in the Commons is the choice for PM.

The largest party in the Commons is put there by the electorate which understands it is voting for a batch of local MPs who will support one of a range of published manifestos for a period of up to 5 years. And the electorate also understands that manifesto commitments do not override prevailing political or economic conditions, and also that the next opportunity to judge the party of government against its manifesto is the next election.

I know some people want to constantly paint this place like some sort of banana republic but the mess of the past few weeks ultimately shows that we are anything but. Truss and her fellow travellers tried to tear up the rules and conventions by force of will and they failed. The worst political instability in decades has simply demonstrated just how stable a system we fundamentally have.

If Sunak can stabilise the ship in the coming weeks, then he should have the two-and-a-bit years left to led the party elected to government, to try to implement its manifesto. And then we will get a vote on whether to allow them to continue. Meanwhile nobody is going to park tanks on College Green, take over the BBC or start yelling viva la revolución from the palace balcony.

If there’s one lesson to be learned here it’s that the constitutional position of the PM must be respected, and that means changing the leader mid-term must only be a job for those whose confidence the incomer requires, namely the Commons. Polling the wider party membership risks electing a Liz Truss and also gives succour to those who want to make ill-informed demands for a nationwide say in the process.

The USA can’t even agree whether to intervene to put down its own tin-pot revolutionaries right now … I think we’re safe enough.

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More like adhering to the manifesto the Conservative government were elected on in 2019.

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Snipped as I know how the system works.

Regardless of how many words you choose to describe it it’s neither a mandate from the party membership (who indeed chose someone else when he was on the ballot) nor from the electorate itself.

If anything the Truss debacle undermines our democratic credentials rather than reinforces it. By your measure she had a mandate to deliver until she didn’t. Removing the right of a party membership to elect it’s leader is profoundly undemocratic. In turn when it picks a PM it evokes more images of Putin’s Russia than home of the self-styled mother of all Parliaments.

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Indeed :tu:

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I'll quote another member of this forum in response to that.

We're in an energy crisis, there nothing wrong with pivoting on Shale Gas.

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Unsuccessful Rwanda plan is one way of putting it, we gave them.20 million extra on top of the agreed 120 million a few days back, for what? It's barely been mentioned how much has been wasted on this pointless exercise

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Until the Tories bring in a properly Conservative prime minister, I'm not voting for them again.

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I think Sunak understands the logic:
- The UK's too populated for fracking so some towns and villages would be negatively impacted.
- Any gas would be sold to the highest bidder globally and there would not be enough to impact global prices.
- It would take several years for gas to be extracted so would come on stream when the immediate crisis is over.

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While I don’t necessarily buy into the view that personalises much of this against Schwab - he’s just a front man - Sunak is certainly constrained by prevailing economic orthodoxy.

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Now that i'm a pensioner no triple lock means i vote for someone else

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Have you seen a fracking site? they are very compact. Have you ever flown over the UK in a plane? it's very unpopulated. That's just weasel words to not do it.

And he has the power to change that.

That mentality is what has got us into this very situation. How about making sure the UK is energy independent for the next crisis?

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I don't want to go too much off-topic on this but to respond to your points.
That's not been the experience to date in this country. Fracking favours large, less populated countries like the US.

I think he will see himself as a Conservative and not a market interventionist lefty.

It's called reality, but we need energy sovereignty by not trying the same thing again and again that doesn't work.

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Glad you are content with the continuing erosion of our civil liberties. The "ability of the police to have the power to ensure public safety" is a continuum of positions. You seem to be happy to move this position to the right of where we have historically been in this country.

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I’m not sure which civil liberties you’re lamenting here? Perhaps you could be more specific. What is it you personally are worried you will no longer be able to do should this become law?

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Schwab is on video boasting how he has planted WEF people into most Western governments.

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I was quite specific in my post above. Anyway, here's a brief video of the Liberty director explaining the threat to MPs: https://twitter.com/i/status/1535271620738269186

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What is interesting is that, following Chris's logic on "we elect a Party, not a PM", if the markets had not been so spooked as they were, Liz Truss's jihadi libertarian crusade could have been allowed to play out for long enough to seriously damage the structural integrity of the economy. Under the rules, she was still a Tory PM and so allowed to depart from the 2019 manifesto and trash the place. Proof that the rules need changing. IMO, we no longer vote for a Party as much we vote for a specific person leading that party. Look at the Thatcher, Blair and Johnson elections ...

I think that if a PM is changed, we should mandate a GE.

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... in which she is not specific at all, but is concerned about a 'paradigm shift' in what is considered criminal behaviour. Likewise, you were earlier not specific at all (unless you're referring to a post earlier than the one I previously replied to?)

Spurrier's submission is hardly bringing anything novel to the discussion in any case. New acts of parliament often bring activities that previously were not criminal into the purview of criminal law. That's sort of the whole point. People find new and inventive ways of imposing themselves on others; eventually the put-upon majority decides enough is enough and begins to demand action. Sooner or later, politicians hear the clamour, realise it's a popular issue, and act on it.

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Germany 1933 undertones all through that second paragraph.

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Please see my earlier comments re: debasement of references to fascism by mindless overuse.

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I think it’s an entirely appropriate use to be fair.

To paraphrase you essentially say a majority can elect away the rights of minorities should they feel suitably aggrieved without reference to any protections of fundamental rights (for example that to protest, or that to strike). Both among the first to go as fascism rises, usually with a democratic mandate.

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That’s not a paraphrase of anything I’ve actually posted here. It’s just a list of dog whistle issues that get a certain section of the British left all riled up.

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I can see no other logical interpretation of this part:

Essentially your suggestion is to invent crimes for previously legal activities based upon populism. Without limits, that’s absolutely fascism in action.

Although I did make a mistake in my previous post because I almost implied if this Government did so it had democratic mandate for it.

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Some details on the new Public Order Bill:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...more-difficult

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/10/9.jpg

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ection-protest



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Please see my earlier quote:

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Thanks - finishing some work now but will engage more thoroughly later :)

(And just because you predict someone will say you’re over-reacting, does not mean that they’re wrong) ;)

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Bloody hell. A repeat of the Tottenham riots is needed for these idiots to get their head right. It will happen. Soon.

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The former Chairman of the Conservative Party has said there were multiple breaches of the ministerial code from Braverman's

https://twitter.com/PiersUncensored/...61104062058508

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Peston reporting here that Sunak is believed to have over-ruled cabinet secretary Case in re-appointing Suella Braverman.

He notes that this raises important constitutional issues, particularly the role of the Cabinet Secretary in preventing ministers from becoming a security risk.

William Wragg, Chair of the Commons Public Administration and Constitutional Affairs Committee, is being urged to investigate this.

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1585321216318898176

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good move from Sunak

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So, at the risk of playing the man rather than the ball … George Monbiot? Really?

I repeat my point from earlier, the proposal is to grant the Home Secretary the power to ask, not to act. A judge would decide whether the situation satisfied what is clearly quite a high legal bar in terms of the seriousness of disruption. Insinuating that people who attend a half-million march through London in 2023 face any significant prospect of getting caught in some neo-fascist dragnet any time up to 2028 is absurd.

But then his nickname isn’t Moonbat for nothing. This is the man who thinks 75 million ha.of agricultural land in continental Europe should be ‘rewilded’. Ukraine has 41m ha, and look how close some parts of the developing world are to serious food shortages this winter just because *some* of what’s grown there can’t get out.

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Terrible move.

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Good, this is an issue why?

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Will you feel the same when you're freezing to death in the future.

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So business as usual?Hopefully until the GE.

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Fracking won't help

https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/e...ergy-security/

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Have never been convinced of fracking argument, plus, the sheer amounts of shale gas, is not guaranteed for UK domestic markets, it will be extracted and sold to highest bidder.

It was the stupidest idea ever, to cease our storage capacity of gas, become too reliant on imports, no one ever thinking that one day, that supply is rationed as Europe suffers with energy stocks, thanks to Putin.

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Yeah, why?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...cerns-MI5.html

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There's no general election at the moment and unlikely to be one for a couple of years. By then, I'm sure the Conservatives and perhaps other Parties will have reinstatement of the Triple Lock on their manifesto (assuming it's paused) as they all know the power of the pensioner vote, particularly the Conservatives.

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It is not my "ridiculously large text", I linked to the "small" image variant on Twitter (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FfaYtzVW...jpg&name=small) but for some reason vBulletin has chosen to copy the image to its local cache (https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/10/9.jpg) without the "small" parameter. Maybe Paul knows the reason ..

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Only not an issue when national security is not an issue.

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Serious whataboutery here. BTW, I also linked to a summary video from the Liberty director also. You seem to not comment on the actual provisions of the Act which are the points in question but ramble on about a man and his rewilding ideas.

A more complete summary of the Act:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/10/10.jpg

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Moonbat’s preoccupation with rewilding is highly relevant, because it seems clear to me that the sorts of protesters the bill is aimed at - the eco loons who glue themselves to roads or chuck soup at priceless works of art - are precisely the sorts of people George is instinctively supportive of and would like to see continuing in the same vein.

All I’m hearing, in protest against this bill is self-serving demands that those who think they’ve found a means of holding society to ransom in pursuit of their political goals, should be allowed to carry on, and the rest of us should just let them get on with it, or, worse, abandon our own convictions and give in to their blackmail.

Well I’m sorry but no. If people want to bring the M25 to a halt, cause millions in lost business and prevent tens of thousands of people from going about their business, then I’m more than happy for them to spend a few weeks in jail in recompense. If nothing else, it will weed out the dilettantes who think this lunacy is an attractive way of virtue signalling to their mates.

(Edit) And references to Russia, Iran and Egypt are simply more contemptible left-wing dog whistling, and nonsensical to anyone who is actually familiar with what human rights abuses in those countries actually look like.

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BREAKING: Speaker suspends Commons for an hour due to Penny Mordaunt no-show - Independent.

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Hopefully just an admin mistake and nothing too serious.

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Update: Penny met with King Charles III, as part of her remit of Lord President of the council, while she was due to answer leader of the house questions in Parliament. - Guido.

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What were the findings of this “probe”?

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From the article

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Nice to see you are still over-indulging in the soup of British exceptionalism rather than addressing the points actually made by ianch99.

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A prime example of self centred right wing rationalising to justify erosion of our civil liberties and a classic use of the "lunatics holding society to ransom" trope to justify draconian changes in the law. You seem to be content to let this Government take away our freedoms but I am not.

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Don't be patronising, I am making a serious point here.

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He probably is off on one, but there’s been no demonstration of a need for such a law or that the proposals are in any way proportionate.

At a literal reading it has the potential to outlaw protest and removes rights under the Human Rights Act for peaceful assembly and association among people who haven’t actually committed any offences at all.

Over decades and centuries the history of this country is littered with protests. In no way, shape or form can anyone claim that disruption now meaningfully disrupts people’s lives any more than at any point in history.

It’s a lazy right wing trope to claim that they do. But when your economic policies (not you personally) are shot to pieces I suppose that’s all they have left.

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I really cant be bothered to read through pages of more arguments, so someone please tell me - What exactly has all this got to do with the topic (Rishi Sunak is Prime Minister) ?

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I thought that would be the case.

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So as suspected, nothing came of it. So yeah, why?

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Unless there is another thread where we discuss the Sunak government & its policies, it seems fair to post here.

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It is not "my paranoia", I wish it was.

Here's an article from Justice on the dangers of the Bill: https://justice.org.uk/public-order-bill/

There is even an article on Conservative Home :)

MPs must make a stand against the Public Order Bill’s restrictions on free speech

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Nice to see you giving me reps you probably intended to give someone else :rofl:

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:rofl:

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I don't think there's been a backlash here about Sunak's race, as alleged in the US's Daily Show. There will always be some people that hold this view but I don't think it's a significant proportion of the electorate.
He's of course received criticism over Suella Braverman's appointment and for his wife's former tax status.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainm...6b8d18f8606559

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I've seen it all over the twitterverse, it's works in America as they are just so consumed about race.

As far as I can tell the evidence for this "backlash" is based solely on one idiot that called into LBC or Talk TV.

I don't think anyone (apart from the usual nutters) could care less about his ethnicity, we just want him to sort this mess out.

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The US commentary on the U.K is almost always very bad. They can't help but see everything through their own lens. That's why they think Boris Johnson was Trump.

That Noah commentary is awful. First of all anyone who says 'the Prime Minister of England' should then be ignored when commenting on British politics but he sets up a strawman so he can have a US-Centric argument. He even said it was ironic Brexiters ended up with an Asian PM which makes no sense at all.

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This makes a lot of sense. A fair number of people who voted for Brexit were racist and so the last person they would welcome as PM is Sunak. For the racist Brexit voters, it is very ironic.

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But he is not wrong, though :erm:

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What's fair number? A fair number that voted Remain were also racist.

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Pick you terms carefully. I said a fair number, not a large number. Let's be clear though, a number large enough to make a difference in tight elections. I do agree that the number who might be classed xenophobic is larger.

Assigning precise numbers is difficult due to the complexity and nuance in the competing factors that went into the 2016 decision. Here is an interesting article in Nature on this precise subject: Prejudice and the Brexit vote: a tangled web

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I am not relying on this article. I linked it as it explains the complexity & nuance of the proposition. Anyway, we are down a rabbit hole here. I was responding to the irony of us getting an Indian PM to a section of our society that voted for Brexit for exactly the opposite outcome.

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I actually agree somewhat, brexit was never about Indian's, yes being sick of people coming over here and doing the jobs we don't want to and filling huge swathes of the workforce was part of it but considering migration here from nationals outside the EU was greater than those from it in the years running up to the vote you'd have thought that'd gain traction somewhere, plus of course it's quite hard to be racist when the people you're attacking are of the same ethnicity, unless we're really disappearing down the rabbit hole of far right untermenschen, which I don't think we are and the vast majority of brexit voters would be disgusted to be associated with that kind of thing

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You need to get out of Wokingham and Waitrose and see the world how it really is. Your one-dimensional Brexit world view needs changing, the reality is far more complex that you would like it to be. The causes & reasons behind how people voted are many and varied. Like it or not, racism and xenophobia are part of that equation. You need to accept that.

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I would tend to agree with you, but we always need to be aware of things we may be disgusted by and how these traits are encouraged and who encourages them, the Farage breaking point poster being a prime example.

Anyway, that's enough on the irony of Sunak.

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Just when the government was looking cohesive, who pops up to give Starmer a helping hand?
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...f181c2128072fe

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TBH, I dont give a flying **** about who attends COP27.

No doubt that annoying teenager will be there.

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Princess Nut Nut told him to go.

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Some more changes:
- Williamson has resigned over the bullying allegations
- Investment zones are due to be axed in the Autum statement
https://news.sky.com/story/sir-gavin...lying-12742023

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Ah, the old "It wasn't me, Guv!" excuse...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63592909

Apparently, a big girl made him do it, then ran away...

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Truss tried to blame him and now he's putting the blame on her.

They used to be good friends, I bet they aren't any more.

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Most of the leaks around the time did suggest it was Truss who was the more bullish of the two on the mini-budget. Besides she said she was going to do this in her leadership bid so she can't claim otherwise.

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I think Lizzie would make a great Pizza chef. Time for a change of career, she needs to think outside the box.

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They used to be more than good friends. ;)

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Didn't get much of a 'honeymoon' did he?

Never mind I'm sure there's goodies for all in the Budget this week. I have faith that 12 years of austerity/the Tories, plus our Brexit bonus is about to be rewarded..

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Appointing the incompetents Braverman and Williamson to Cabinet roles won't have helped his popularity.

Not going so well with that other one, Raab.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e_iOSApp_Other

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The thing is they can't blame anybody else now because when a government has been in power for 12 years the public knows who is at fault for many of the problems we are seeing now.

And with worse to come..

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I think we reached rock bottom with Truss. The last few Prime Ministers have been successively worse but Sunak is an improvement on Truss but not without his mistakes.

Dominic Raab will be taking PMQs today. This surely can't go well given the bullying allegations hanging over him.

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. …. Yes - Labour.

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Hard to see how they could be worse than this rabble. But as you've acknowledged, we're going to find out.

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I think even if Corbyn was leader, Labour would now win given the Conservative Party's performance over the last couple of years!

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Whataboutery on a major scale Sep as do not the Conservatives own these last 12 years.

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