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Not at all … pedantry is the lifeblood of Internet forums ;)

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hahahahaha or at the very least ones belief in their pedantry hahaha

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Unfortunately there is a problem with your pedantry. You are applying past tense to present tense.

Had Paul said there never has been you would be correct but he didn't.
As regards the coronation of the next monarch never happening immediately even after battle for the crown(e,g, the war of the roses), that still happens now.

Charles has been proclaimed king (as possibly happened on a battlefield) but his coronation won't happen until neat year.

Apologies if too pedantic.




at no time in the past or future; not ever.
"they had never been camping in their lives"[/QUOTE]

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Since I didnt say that, you point is ... pointless. :D

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I am using the definition of Never though. As I say I am not highly educated so I bow to it

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Still think it is interesting even if you do not. I am still not sure the is or has makes a difference to a word that literally means not ever

To expand is Not Ever to me still means eternally future and past shrugging my shoulders

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Do you think they'll ever tell us what happened? How she went from being able to do her duties on Tuesday and then clearly something happened between then and Thursday morning.

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Sometimes it’s just time to go. Especially when you’re 96.

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At the age of 96 I do not think it really matters. What does matter is how she managed to do her last duties the two days prior, with a smile also. Clearly the bruised hand was (like mine at the time) was probably from a canula, and obvious she has not been well for some time, but she carried on. To me that sums up our Queen perfectly.

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As a veteran my time has passed where i would be called up in time of emergency, However the oath of allegiance i took on signing up for the forces still stands now for King Charles III as it did for Queen Elizabeth II.

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In the Tuesday appointment of new PM Liz Truss, she did look exceptionally pale, also looked very frail, the difference from July Queen, to her last few days, is massive.

I think her losing, her Husband, Duke of Edinburgh, after being with him for so long, took whatever was keeping her going, right out of her, in her last year.

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You often find that, when one half of an elderly couple passes, the remaining partner isn't too far behind.

I think it is actually possible to 'die' of a broken heart.

Will all the MP's now have to make a new oath to the King or does their existing oath to the Queen simply pass on to him like it does for current and former service people?

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Perhaps this is the actual reason that the oath of allegiance carries on afterwsrds- in case veterans need to be called up again?

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Not sure what your fascination with oaths is, but no, the MPs oath (like the forces) covers the sovereign and their successors.

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I'm just interested in the mechanics of it all really as it's my first experience of this happening.

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Taking oaths isn’t a necessity, nor was it necessary for King Charles to have been proclaimed King this weekend. It’s purely ceremonial, remember, British way isn’t following a written Constitution, but acting on precedent and conventions. That whilst it’s tragic, we’ve lost our Queen sovereign, the transfer of power happened on her death, not when they’re elected or certain oaths are performed.

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Apparently, the Queen stopped breeding her corgis in 2015 as she didn't want any to be left without her.

It's being assumed on Facebook that they will be put to sleep, but I don't see why they would have to be and can't see it myself.

Other members of the family or staff who had got to know them could look after any remaining dogs.

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Handy Andy’s getting them, seeing as the ones she has now were a recent gift from him and Fergie.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62870783

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That is good. They were never going to be put to sleep

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Part of me likes to think that she held on until she had confirmed the new PM then received the promotion call from her commander in chief to come home "good and faithful servant".

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I do think that in some cases, it's possible to delay our passing. There are numerous cases where people have hung on until their family have been able to see them.

My advice to anyone who is ever in this position is to talk and reassure the person as they leave our plane of existence as this is the final sense that ends in our physical body.

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Thank you Chris, it's a relief to know this.

There are isolated cases of people wishing to have their pets put to sleep upon their own passing, but I didn't think that the late Queen would have been the sort of person to do such a shellfish thing.

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Making sure Boris was out the door was definitely God’s work :D

The last public photos of the Queen certainly show someone whose race is run, and is all peace and joy. These have been astonishing days.

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She only had one duty left to perform for the country and once Truss was in place she could move on.

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I get this but it didn't seem they did. the family were on the way to balmoral but were already heading there after she died? Once they were in the air and the Queen was dead and they knew she was did it matter about releasing the news?

Apparently the news of Elizabeths death came out within the same time of King Georges death (when his body was found) but in the internet generation surely its quicker than ever to get the news out to the commonwealth?

Again its just an interesting point that however the royal family modernize some of the big things still keep their Victorian rigidity.

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Hardly because if they did Charlie would have to abdicate due to marrying a divorcee

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What difference would annoucing it 2hrs earlier made?

It was not just a matter of the royal family being informed but also all the heads of state in the commonwealth so that the announcement could be made at the same time.

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The Queen's coffin is being transported around the country so the well wishers can pay their respects. Do they seriously believe that the Queen's body is ACTUALLY in this coffin?

With the risks of terrorists or even loonies trying to glue themselves to it or blow it up or steal it that the security forces would risk the body of our late Queen?

It's safely stashed in a London morgue ready for the final ceremonies.

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Don’t be such an edgelord.

There’s no way her children would have followed it up the Royal Mile yesterday had it been empty. Nor would Princess Anne be accompanying it on an RAF flight right now. It would have been an insult to her memory.

It would have taken greatly more effort to devise a foolproof plan to ensure the body was spirited away and kept hidden than to simply observe good security. Opportunistic terrorism is phenomenally difficult to pull off because the would-be perpetrators are amateurs, while those doing the security are well trained professionals.

You know, sometimes in this world things are exactly what they appear to be and assuming reality is the opposite of whatever ‘they’ tell you doesn’t make you astute and all healthy-sceptical, it just makes you sound like a bit of a ranting conspiracy nut…

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While I'm sure there isn't anything untoward I'm not sure why her children wouldn't participate it's in their interest to be part of the pomp and pageantry.

The involvement of an RAF flight is exactly the type of instrument the state would use for such a deception. Is the pilot going to ask for a look inside before he takes off? Of course not. The vast majority of participants in the charade would have no reason to do other than as they are told. The number of people required to actively be part of the deception would be tiny.

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I think some of you need this https://youtu.be/wFNO2sSW-mU?t=37

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Quite nice scenes of the procession into London. People had stopped their cars on the other side of the A40(?) into London as the Queen came past and people were lining the roads.

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Rest In Peace Your Majesty. A truly wonderful woman,served Her country above and beyond Her duty in my opinion

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Very emotional watching the procession on TV from RAF Northholt to Buckingham Palace.

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Good old RAF.

Look at the registration for the aircraft picking up the Queen’s coffin today at Edinburgh.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1663103440

hint - look at it upside-down…

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Good spot

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BREAKING: The Queue of people waiting to see Queen Elizabeth II’s coffin lying in state, in Westminster Hall, has grown to 4.2 Miles long.

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Well, much as I support the monarchy, the UK has gone way over the top on this, although with so many people getting themselves in a state of near mental breakdown about the Queen’s passing at 96 years old, one can see why.

Just as you thought we couldn’t go any further OTT, we get this:

https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-parlia...te-live-stream

[EXTRACT]

The BBC will carry a live stream of the HM The Queen’s lying-in-state for the benefit of those who want to pay their respects, but who cannot come to London or who are physically unable to queue.

So people are going to watch a live stream of a stationary box! What are we coming to?

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The Queen certainly couldn’t have been any more dedicated to her role. She was an excellent role model and hopefully our new King will emulate that during his remaining years.

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Is the live stream harming you in some way ?
I really dont see the issue if people want to view it.

She is the only monach most people have known, so its an historic event.
Its also a massive distraction to take peoples minds of the current economic issues.
.. and royalist or not, no one can deny she was well liked by pretty much the whole world.

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My point is, it’s a live stream of a box. A little odd to be watching that, don’t you think?

No, it doesn’t affect me at all, and I didn’t say that it did. But…..

Oh, never mind. :rolleyes:

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This is not something new in the world as THIS has been broadcast for decades.

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Looks to me like a livestream of people paying homage to our departed Monarch, and allowing those who aren’t there to share in that.

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We’ve had hours of that already on the main BBC channel, but I guess if it makes people happy, fair enough.

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This seems like a low-cost timely offering to me that's accessible to almost everyone in the UK.

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I suppose it brings a new sense to watching the box.

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:D:D:D

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Queue is Now almost 5 miles long. :erm:

You are loved ma’am.

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Bizarre, they could be spending the time usefully doing some charity work, or anything else productive rather than waiting to see a closed box.

RIP QE2, you were the one royal I respected, but I'll be going out for a nice long walk on Monday.

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Instead of going on a long walk on Monday, why aren’t you spending that spare time volunteering at your local food bank? Very selfish of you.

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Maybe because they are closed?

https://metro.co.uk/2022/09/13/sever...eral-17368179/

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So not all then, Pierre’s point still stands.

Also, enough of the pedantry Hugh, the need to constantly try and correct someone all the time. Just so unnecessary, I think especially in this thread.

To all: I’m tired of reading miserable, negative Anti-monarchy sentiments, keep such thoughts to yourself, they are unwanted and disrespectful.

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Agree wholeheartedly.This is a RIP thread and really should be respected as such.

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Getting quite annoyed the queue won't quite tick over to 5 miles. Been stuck at 4.9 for ages. I wonder if they've started turn people away just short of the 5 miles?

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Its expected to reach 10 miles over the weekend.

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Can't can it? They're already in Southwark Park which is where they start turning people away.

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It’s possible, at that length it’s said to be taking 14 hours. :erm:

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DCMS just tweeted about the length of the queue and said the park would close if it reaches capacity. They’re also asking people to consider joining at another time.

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They just tweeted again. It's closed.

Which idiot decided to cap it at 4.9 miles instead of 5 for the nice round number?

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I don’t think there is going to be a better time now, to rejoin it. It’s weekend time and it’s going to get even longer. It’s unfortunate, but I think they will start turning people away.

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I watched some of the live stream and there are quite a number of older people queuing. What I have to ask is if they are queuing for hours on end how are they dealing with needing to pee? I know I could not queue without facilities for 5 or 6 hours without wetting myself. Do not mean to be disrespectful I just do not get how people can do it

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BREAKING: It is expected the Queens funeral will be watched by a global audience of 4.1 Billion people, to become the worlds most watched event of all time.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/record-41...xpected-to-fl/

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There are stewards on hand to direct people to facilities. Their place in the queue will be held. The Brits are a polite group in those circumstances.

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There is a queue for the queue now

https://news.sky.com/story/queen-die...g-pen-12698799

Wow thats indeed amazing!!

God bless her.........

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I didn’t know it was convention for the Vice President to attend the funerals of foreign Heads of State and that Biden coming wasn’t a forgone conclusion.

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Expected and confirmed visits to funeral:

Illustrated by AFP News Agency.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1663411006

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Japan’s Emperor Naruhito is rarely seen in public life in his own country.

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Sky are to temporarily close some of their channels on Monday.

These include Sky Comedy, Nature, and various Cinema/Sports channels.

Those that remain open will simulcast Sky News who will be covering the Queens funeral.

The BBC & ITV channels will also be covering it, so there will be plenty of opportunities to watch the proceedings.

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Think this will be the last big event like this. I'd imagine Charles will be the final King of Australia and New Zealand. When Charles passes he will have been on the throne 10 to 15 years and id imagine there will be less universal feeling like right now.

Tomorrow will be quite an event and i say this as someone who isn't a monarchist

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The camerawork today was amazing. Some of the shots they got were excellent.

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What about the Coronation? I imagine that to be pretty full on

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It will be especially given most people alive in this country today now never saw the last Coronation of a Monarch in 1953.

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Yes agree,camera work fantastic

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Does anyone know what happens to the late Queens clothes?

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Also,why are the commercial channels not showing adverts? Is it really disrespectful to show them? If so then why not just carry on with programs instead of 3 minutes of music and pic of the late Queen?

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It certainly was quite an event.
You expect this kind of thing in the city surroundings.
It was quite something else to see them marching down a country road.

At least they got decent weather, we got (light) rain here.

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I think today was a day to be proud to be British.

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Agreed. A great day for the UK and a great day for the BBC too.

So many people must have worked hard behind the scenes to pull this together - I've certainly heard of hundreds of reservists working round the clock on 12-hour shifts to secure the area for the funeral and bedding down on camping mats in an old office without complaint.

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Didn't the BBC produce the main feed?

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I guess, BBC, Sky, ITV etc, must have some agreement for events like this to spread the cameras, as sometimes the feed was identical on several channels.


Now to wait for the viewing figures, which could be around 4.1 billion according to some.

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I am pretty sure the BBC do most of the work and give the feed over to everyone else. You can only have a few camera crews around. This is what the BBC is for after all.

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https://www.slashgear.com/1013947/ho...ral-broadcast/

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Yeah. I am guessing that the BBC did all of the central London bit and all of the Windsor bit at least. Maybe Sky/ITV pooled footage of areas outside London and some bits after Hyde Park when they switched to aerial shots? Or the BBC for all of it.

Again the shots inside the respective buildings were excellent as were the shots down The Mail, at Wellington Arch and outside Windsor. It was clearly planned down to each frame. Look at the way they smoothly followed the coffin from Westminster Hall to Westminster Abbey. The overhead shot as they went through Horse Guards Parade where the camera went up and pivoted so you didn't lose sight of it.

If it was a film you would be impressed, that it was live is amazing.

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On the 8th of September when they used the word "Comfortable" I knew that HM The Queen was at end of life, as in July the word "comfortable" was used about my dad if his condition deteriorated. Luckily, he's pulled through.

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Yeah my feeling was the BBC did most of the work but sharing footage with other TV companies. I think on this occasion it wasn't about viewing figures,just giving the best possible service regardless of which channel you watch on. It was anyway a fantastic coverage

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BREAKING: The Queens cause of death has been officially recorded as “old age” on her death certificate. The time of death was recorded at 3:10pm on 8/9/22.

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I still don't understand how 'old age' can be a primary cause? Surely you die because something gives up which may be the consequence of old age. Your heart gives up, you have pneumonia or something?

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If death is sudden or unexplained then an inquest has to be held. If however a terminal decline in health is evident and this is attested to by a doctor, within a couple of weeks of death, then there isn’t an inquest, there isn’t a post-mortem and there may well not be a diagnosed cause of death. ‘Old age’ can and is an acceptable explanation for multiple organ failure caused by a body no longer being able to replenish itself.

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She may have already been diagnosed with terminal decline, if death was expected, doctors would issue a Statement of Intent, which basically would nullify the legal necessity for a Post-mortem. The Queen herself may have exercised her power to not permit it upon her death or existing members of the Royal family. A death certificate cannot however, be left blank, so only probable cause can be recorded as old age.

Old age itself is a very viable and recordable cause. We’re not immortals, death and taxes are certain.

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That was a post by Chris IIRC.

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There are no deleted/missing posts between 2pm and 4pm.

In any case. The Royal Standard would have remained where it was, if King Charles would have been present. The standard always represents the monarch, and that would have instantly transferred to Charles on the Queens death.

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I don't why but the vagueness of it drives me nuts generally (not just in this case).


That was Chris. Nerd.

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King Charles was said to have been there, so there would not have been any removal of the Standard, nor would it have been at half-mast, for the reason I’ve explained, the standard represents the current monarch, this immediately moved to Charles, upon the death of the Queen.

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A bit morbid, but does this mean William will have a Standard stashed away somewhere and would it travel with him at all times? You know just in case.

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The Standard indeed always flies when the monarch is in residence, which is why this was a curious thing when the BBC zoomed in on the flagpole just after 3pm that afternoon:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1664477934

The pre-union royal standard of Scotland is only flown at Balmoral and Holyrood when the monarch is not in residence.

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:bsmack:

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It’s possible Charles may not have been there, they did say, Anne was there. However, we do know that Prince William, Prince Andrew, Prince Edward and his wife, Sophie all arrived well after 3:10PM, thus, didn’t get there in time to say their goodbyes.

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It’s possible he will be there, as and when King Charles starts drawing his last breath. If not, if he’s in any of the palaces, they will always have a Royal Standard to hand.