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Damien 13-08-2022 11:33
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131148)

Neither did Hillary Clinton, so your point is moot.
No it isn't, that's what I am saying. There isn't a difference between what they've been accused of doing and the subsequent requirement for the FBI to investigate. Clinton was e-mails, Trump is physical files. Clinton's investigation is over and Trump is early days so we don't know what, if anything, he'll actually has.

Both of them were accused of keeping classified (in Trump's case there seem to be a few 'top secret') files after office.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131148)
No it’s not, Hillary Clinton did not have permission to have a private email server that she kept classified material on, it’s several violations on the law regarding it. Yet she did not get prosecuted.
Neither has Trump yet. It depends what is found.

jfman 13-08-2022 11:35
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What Hillary didn’t or didn’t do is irrelevant to Trump. If he’s broke the law he’s broke the law. Anything else is a distraction or politicising it.

If the rule of law has been poorly applied in the past that’s not a get out of jail free card for Trump or his supporters.

If “ah but Hilliary” is the new “ah but Starmer” this could be long, circuitous thread ignoring the facts.

Mick 13-08-2022 12:01
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36131152)
No it isn't, that's what I am saying. There isn't a difference between what they've been accused of doing and the subsequent requirement for the FBI to investigate. Clinton was e-mails, Trump is physical files. Clinton's investigation is over and Trump is early days so we don't know what, if anything, he'll actually has.
There is no point keep saying she was cleared, she should never have been, the law exists on violations of classified material, and she should have been prosecuted for keeping a private server containing highly classified stuff on there. In her case, the law was selectively ignored.

You cannot have a law and then let someone get off Scot free when they violate it, yet she was and that was the wrong decision, you either believe in the rule of the law or you do not, just because of who it is.

Those emails were still classified and she did not have any permission to keep them on a private server, in her own property, same as Trump with these documents, only like you say, are in physical format, rather than a virtual one.

Classified material is either, they were not just random emails, they had classifications, and she violated laws on storage of and use of them.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131154)
What Hillary didn’t or didn’t do is irrelevant to Trump. If he’s broke the law he’s broke the law. Anything else is a distraction or politicising it.

If the rule of law has been poorly applied in the past that’s not a get out of jail free card for Trump or his supporters.

If “ah but Hilliary” is the new “ah but Starmer” this could be long, circuitous thread ignoring the facts.
You as well, you need to wind your neck in too, I do not give a stuff about Trump, if he’s broke the law, fine, the book gets thrown at him, but we have a historical precedent of the law not being applied in such cases, & that matters, the law is the law, you cannot selectively let someone off for the same kind of violations on safe storage and use of classified material, Clinton was.

GrimUpNorth 13-08-2022 12:32
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131155)
There is no point keep saying she was cleared, she should never have been, the law exists on violations of classified material, and she should have been prosecuted for keeping a private server containing highly classified stuff on there. In her case, the law was selectively ignored.

You cannot have a law and then let someone get off Scot free when they violate it, yet she was and that was the wrong decision, you either believe in the rule of the law or you do not, just because of who it is.

Those emails were still classified and she did not have any permission to keep them on a private server, in her own property, same as Trump with these documents, only like you say, are in physical format, rather than a virtual one.

Classified material is either, they were not just random emails, they had classifications, and she violated laws on storage of and use of them.

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You as well, you need to wind your neck in too, I do not give a stuff about Trump, if he’s broke the law, fine, the book gets thrown at him, but we have a historical precedent of the law not being applied in such cases, & that matters, the law is the law, you cannot selectively let someone off for the same kind of violations on safe storage and use of classified material, Clinton was.
But that's life Mick, sometimes it's fair and sometimes it isn't. I know it's on a different scale but sometimes you'll get a talking to for speeding and sometimes you'll get a fine.

TheDaddy 13-08-2022 12:38
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131155)
There is no point keep saying she was cleared, she should never have been, the law exists on violations of classified material, and she should have been prosecuted for keeping a private server containing highly classified stuff on there. In her case, the law was selectively ignored.

You cannot have a law and then let someone get off Scot free when they violate it, yet she was and that was the wrong decision, you either believe in the rule of the law or you do not, just because of who it is.

Those emails were still classified and she did not have any permission to keep them on a private server, in her own property, same as Trump with these documents, only like you say, are in physical format, rather than a virtual one.

Classified material is either, they were not just random emails, they had classifications, and she violated laws on storage of and use of them.

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You as well, you need to wind your neck in too, I do not give a stuff about Trump, if he’s broke the law, fine, the book gets thrown at him, but we have a historical precedent of the law not being applied in such cases, & that matters, the law is the law, you cannot selectively let someone off for the same kind of violations on safe storage and use of classified material, Clinton was.
You know Donny changed that law in 2018, it's a much more serious offence now because of him

1andrew1 13-08-2022 12:50
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Regarding Crooked Hillary, no charges were filed because she did not act with criminal intent, the historical standard for pursuing prosecution. See https://time.com/4394178/hillary-cli...investigation/

It's far too early to say whether criminal intent can be proved of Trump so if I were a Trump supporter, I can't see a reason to be getting anxious at this stage.

jfman 13-08-2022 13:39
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131155)
You as well, you need to wind your neck in too, I do not give a stuff about Trump, if he’s broke the law, fine, the book gets thrown at him, but we have a historical precedent of the law not being applied in such cases, & that matters, the law is the law, you cannot selectively let someone off for the same kind of violations on safe storage and use of classified material, Clinton was.
For someone who doesn’t give a stuff about Trump you seem quite vocal to argue his cause, or the Republican cause, in most threads that he gets a reference. Plus narrowly give the thread a remit where Trump’s past questionable activity is out of scope but years of dirt on the Democrats, or Clinton, are fair game.

If there was a thread to slate the Democrats I’d be near the front of the queue. As in the UK I don’t think parties of the left/centre left/centre should set their barometer at being slightly less shit and/or corrupt than the right wing party.

The law should never be selectively applied, but we all know in the real world the rich/famous/powerful get away with things the rest of us wouldn’t because of who, or what, they know. The USA likes to sell itself as the world’s moral policeman but it’s no less corrupt than many dictatorships in the developing world. Half of which they probably installed.

Mick 13-08-2022 14:14
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36131168)
For someone who doesn’t give a stuff about Trump you seem quite vocal to argue his cause, or the Republican cause, in most threads that he gets a reference. Plus narrowly give the thread a remit where Trump’s past questionable activity is out of scope but years of dirt on the Democrats, or Clinton, are fair game.
If I was an American, I’d vote Republican, they’re conservatives, and I’m a conservative. I just refuse to jump on the Trump hating bandwagon so many of you are on, it’s a deranged set of principles, let’s all hate Trump.

He’s an idiot, I routinely mock him with my family and friends when he says stupid stuff. I only defend him, when I feel people are hypocrites or don’t apply the same rule sets to other people.

Democrats are the worse thing to happen to America, just look at their run states, opioid crisis is a disease over there. Other day, I watched a YouTube vid of someone walking an avenue in Philadelphia, a Democrat run city, it was full of homeless people, people pumped up full of shitty drugs, walking like zombies, and it was not just one or two people, they’re everywhere. People asleep on the sidewalk. It just looked a right shithole.

Democrats just don’t give a shit about the homeless people and never have.

Don’t believe me that Democrats are shit at curing homelessness….. https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-homelessness/



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Originally Posted by jfman
If there was a thread to slate the Democrats I’d be near the front of the queue. As in the UK I don’t think parties of the left/centre left/centre should set their barometer at being slightly less shit and/or corrupt than the right wing party.

The law should never be selectively applied, but we all know in the real world the rich/famous/powerful get away with things the rest of us wouldn’t because of who, or what, they know. The USA likes to sell itself as the world’s moral policeman but it’s no less corrupt than many dictatorships in the developing world. Half of which they probably installed.
I can’t counter this belief at all.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36131162)
You know Donny changed that law in 2018, it's a much more serious offence now because of him
Presidents don’t or can’t change existing laws, that’s the job of the legislative branch, he created an executive order or proclamation, that isn’t necessarily binding on everyone.

TheDaddy 13-08-2022 14:24
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131169)
Presidents don’t or can’t change existing laws, that’s the job of the legislative branch, he created an executive order or proclamation, that isn’t necessarily binding on everyone.
It was part of a bill donny signed into law in January 2018, I'll try and find it when I get home

Hugh 13-08-2022 14:57
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36131172)
It was part of a bill donny signed into law in January 2018, I'll try and find it when I get home
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/...115publ118.pdf

https://wapo.st/3AtzTu1

Mick 13-08-2022 15:12
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36131172)
It was part of a bill donny signed into law in January 2018, I'll try and find it when I get home
That’s completely different to what you said, you said he changed the law, no he didn’t because he can’t, you’re giving a president more powers that he wields.

TheDaddy 13-08-2022 15:28
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36131173)
Thanks Hugh :tu:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131174)
That’s completely different to what you said, you said he changed the law, no he didn’t because he can’t, you’re giving a president more powers that he wields.
I could've phrased it better, fact remains though it's now a much more serious offence as of January 2018 when he signed it through than it was before.

Mick 13-08-2022 19:26
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36131175)
Thanks Hugh :tu:



I could've phrased it better, fact remains though it's now a much more serious offence as of January 2018 when he signed it through than it was before.
I just don’t think it applies to a former president, though. The test will be, if it can be proven, he did declassify anything while he was on office. Some argue, a president can declassify anything, without congressional approval, including those items, regulated though congressional statutes, without their approval, the power he had was substantial, all former presidents take records with them, then further negotiate with NARA, when out of office, to determine what is a presidential record or not.

BenMcr 13-08-2022 21:27
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131188)
all former presidents take records with them, then further negotiate with NARA, when out of office, to determine what is a presidential record or not.
I'm not sure that's the case. I believe it's the other way around. Any disposal of documents happens before a President leaves office, and anything that remains is automatically and legally not theirs.

https://www.archives.gov/presidentia.../1978-act.html

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Allows the incumbent president to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once he or she has obtained the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal in writing.
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Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
https://www.archives.gov/presidentia...types.html#pra

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The Archivist is required to take custody of these records when the President leaves office, and to maintain them in a Federal depository

Hugh 13-08-2022 21:54
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1 Attachment(s)
That’s what happened after the Obama Presidency.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1660420430

Blackshep 14-08-2022 00:11
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That photo proof of Trump flushing documents was beyond amateur nice square pieces of paper neatly stacked with nothing to identify them as official records and look as though they were written with a sharpie not even looking damp for saying they had supposedly been in the toilet for quite a while. Anyone vaguely familiar with white house security knows all official documents are recorded and a chain of contact record kept. If any amount of documents had just disappeared it would have triggered an immediate investigation. One other interesting fact for those who don't know everything flushed down a toilet in the white house ( yes including the public bathrooms )goes to an examination chamber before finally being disposed of again if official documents were found in that chamber an investigation would have been launched no such investigations took place during the Trump presidency.

I loathe and despise Donald Trump but a lot of what is going is extremely suspect and smacks of a distraction from a certain laptop and the level of corruption it if not proves strongly suggests.

TheDaddy 14-08-2022 02:35
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Originally Posted by Blackshep (Post 36131207)
as official records and look as though they were written with a sharpie.
Keep that to yourself, donny once changed the course of a hurricane with a sharpie before threatening to nuke it, ah I miss those days, you just don’t get them with sleepy joe providing you keep him of a bicycle of course

BenMcr 14-08-2022 10:30
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36131220)
Keep that to yourself, donny once changed the course of a hurricane with a sharpie before threatening to nuke it, ah I miss those days, you just don’t get them with sleepy joe providing you keep him of a bicycle of course
It's not like he's ever been seen holding notes written with a Sharpie either.

Oh wait....

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/20/20974...ment-testimony

Mick 14-08-2022 12:16
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36131231)
It's not like he's ever been seen holding notes written with a Sharpie either.

Oh wait....

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/20/20974...ment-testimony
It still doesn’t quantify or prove that, a pic showing paper ripped up and thrown in the loo, which could be any random loo on the planet, is an actual loo from the White House.

1andrew1 14-08-2022 15:05
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36131241)
It still doesn’t quantify or prove that, a pic showing paper ripped up and thrown in the loo, which could be any random loo on the planet, is an actual loo from the White House.
It's been verified though, hasn't it. However, it doesn't mean a prosecutable offence has been committed.

Pierre 14-08-2022 15:57
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131256)
It's been verified though, hasn't it.
I don’t think so.

Damien 14-08-2022 16:56
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I think it's unlikely we're going to be able to investigate this from afar. The FBI probably have better information. :D

Mick 14-08-2022 17:08
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36131256)
It's been verified though, hasn't it. However, it doesn't mean a prosecutable offence has been committed.
No it hasn’t. Verified by who?

FBI don’t routinely provide public affirmation of evidence.

Maggy 14-08-2022 23:11
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I guess we are going to have to wait to see just what it all means for Trump and whether he is prosecuted for whatever the FBI think he may have done.In the meantime it's just speculation on our part.

Mick 15-08-2022 22:55
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BREAKING: In a filing in response to news organizations' request, The U.S Department of Justice says it objects to the unsealing of the FBI affidavit that led to the search warrant of former president Donald Trump’s home at Mar-o-Lago resort in Florida.

DOJ's filing says the release of the FBI affidavit would "irreparably harm the government's ongoing criminal investigation…

The filing goes on to say..

1) The FBI affidavit makes reference to cooperating witnesses. DOJ says their identities need to remain protected.

2) DOJ confirms the investigation "implicates highly classified materials." - CBSNews.

Damien 15-08-2022 23:06
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So there is someone on the inside?

1andrew1 15-08-2022 23:16
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36131396)
So there is someone on the inside?
"Co-operating witnesses" suggests this.

1andrew1 16-08-2022 16:02
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I don't know if this is related to the raid, sounds like it could be.
Quote:
Trump-allied lawyers pursued voting machine data in multiple states, records reveal

A team of computer experts directed by lawyers allied with President Donald Trump copied sensitive data from election systems in Georgia as part of a secretive, multistate effort to access voting equipment that was broader, more organized and more successful than previously reported, according to emails and other records obtained by The Washington Post.

As they worked to overturn Trump’s 2020 election defeat, the lawyers asked a forensic data firm to access county election systems in at least three battleground states, according to the documents and interviews. The firm charged an upfront retainer fee for each job, which in one case was $26,000.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...van-strickler/

Damien 16-08-2022 18:07
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No, they said it was Government 'top secret' information.

1andrew1 16-08-2022 18:12
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36131456)
No, they said it was Government 'top secret' information.
OK, thanks, please feel free to delete my post if off topic.

pip08456 17-08-2022 12:59
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
Wonder if this is "the mole"?

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Trump’s former Deputy WH Counsel tried to help National Archives retrieve the material.

“It’s not theirs, it’s mine,” Trump said.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/16/u...views-fbi.html

Mick 18-08-2022 20:59
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BREAKING: A Florida judge is suggesting a redacted version of the fomer U.S President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago FBI search affidavit, that could allow it to be unsealed.

“I can’t imagine we’re going to see an enormous amount here. But I will say I’m surprised we’re going to see anything at all,” CBS News Legal Contributor Jessica Levinson says. - CBS News.

Damien 18-08-2022 21:42
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Presumably, the name of the source will be redacted along with any info that might identify them?

Mick 23-08-2022 09:29
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LATEST: Former U.S President Donald Trump has urged a Federal Judge in Florida to block FBI access to materials removed during a raid on his Mar-a-Lago estate. - Sky News.

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"This matter has captured the attention of the American public. Merely 'adequate' safeguards are not acceptable when the matter at hand involves not only the constitutional rights of President Trump, but also the presumption of executive privilege,

Law enforcement is a shield that protects America. It cannot be used as a weapon for political purposes," his lawyers wrote.

pip08456 23-08-2022 10:42
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36132078)
LATEST: Former U.S President Donald Trump has urged a Federal Judge in Florida to block FBI access to materials removed during a raid on his Mar-a-Lago estate. - Sky News.
Only until a Special Master is appointed.

Here's a copy of the filing.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/re...618763.1.0.pdf

Mick 28-08-2022 11:32
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NEW: U.S Federal Judge in Florida orders preliminary intent to grant former President Donald Trump, a Special Master to filter through documents seized on the recent raid of his Florida home. Hearing scheduled for 1st September at 1PM, local Florida time.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1661678755 https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1661678773

Hugh 28-08-2022 12:00
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Some more detail on Mick’s post - the article in the link is "gifted", so should be available to read.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...n0Oc&itid=gfta

Mr K 28-08-2022 12:11
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For a nation that led the way on IT, they don't half love and depend on printed documents !
Could be their security undoing alongside electing geriatric and/or unhinged megalomaniac Presidents.

papa smurf 28-08-2022 12:13
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36132656)
For a nation that led the way on IT, they don't half love and depend on printed documents !
Could be their security undoing alongside electing geriatric and/or unhinged megalomaniac Presidents.
Most of their paper documents seem to be so heavily redacted as to make them useless.

1andrew1 31-08-2022 15:08
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Documents likely concealed at Donald Trump's Florida home - officials

Documents stored at former President Donald Trump's Florida home were likely concealed as part of an effort to obstruct an FBI investigation, Department of Justice officials say.

In a court filing, the department said "efforts were likely taken to obstruct" the investigation into Mr Trump's handling of classified material.

Upon leaving office, US presidents must transfer all of their documents and emails to the National Archives. The FBI is investigating whether Mr Trump improperly handled records by taking them from the White House to Mar-a-Lago after he left office in January 2021.

In the filing released on Tuesday, the Justice Department's counterintelligence chief, Jay Bratt, gave the clearest picture so far of the department's attempts to retrieve documents from the former president.

In its 54 pages, it attempts to knock down allegations by the former president that the Mar-a-Lago search wasn't just unnecessary but part of a political vendetta.

It details government efforts to convince Mr Trump and his lawyers to provide relevant documents voluntarily and the growing concern that they were being less than forthcoming. Suspicions were confirmed, the government said, by the ease with which the FBI found additional classified material.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62732836

Mr K 31-08-2022 16:33
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36132876)
He is very naughty isn't he? Makes Hilary's emails look like minor parking offence.
Drain the Mar-a-Lago swamp and who knows what else they'll find ....

ianch99 02-09-2022 17:19
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Looks like he is toast:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62771613

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Among the items recovered after the unprecedented 8 August search of Mar-a-Lago were:

3 documents marked confidential
17 documents marked secret
7 documents marked top secret
43 empty folders with classified banners
28 empty folders labelled "Return to staff secretary/military aide"
Upon leaving office, US presidents must transfer all of their documents and emails to the National Archives. The justice department is looking into whether Mr Trump improperly handled records by taking them from the White House to his Mar-a-Lago estate after he left office in January 2021.

Prosecutors allege Mr Trump and his lawyers failed to provide relevant documents voluntarily, and "likely concealed or removed" records as part of an effort to obstruct the investigation.

1andrew1 02-09-2022 17:24
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36133080)
What's happened to the contents of the the 71 empty folders?

Pierre 02-09-2022 17:33
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36133080)
I predict nothing will come of it. It looks great, headlines are fantastic but when scrutinised it’ll probably evaporated like every thing they’ve tried to pin on him.

They………whoever they are………are desperate to stop Trump running in 24.

The rhetoric coming out of the Whitehouse in recent days, they have labelled Trump supporters as dangerous, fascists, a threat to national security and freedom of the country.

They are going apeshitbananas.

Damien 02-09-2022 17:50
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36133083)
I predict nothing will come of it. It looks great, headlines are fantastic but when scrutinised it’ll probably evaporated like every thing they’ve tried to pin on him.
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If anyone else was found with '7 documents marked top secret' they would be thrown into jail.

But yes, he'll probably get away with it. They're going to be more lenient on a former President.

That said a lot might depend on those 'empty' folders. If all the documents contained within were sent back then all that remains are these top secret and classified files. However, if he has lost top-secret documents only his most deluded cheerleader can excuse that.

Chris 03-09-2022 10:42
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Unfortunately quite a few of his cheerleaders fall into that category.

He has had these things lying around his house because he’s a narcissist, and a dangerous one at that. Ordinary rules don’t apply because he’s not an ordinary person. It’s sad that so many are content to feed his delusion rather than move on and back someone younger and more balanced to run for the Republican nomination for 2024.

1andrew1 03-09-2022 12:25
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36133081)
What's happened to the contents of the the 71 empty folders?
On reflection, perhaps they never had anything in them in the first place and were just made in case they were needed. Here's hoping!

Hugh 03-09-2022 13:34
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36133143)
On reflection, perhaps they never had anything in them in the first place and were just made in case they were needed. Here's hoping!
When I was in the mob (and working with the USAF/US Army/NSA) folders with classifications (Secret/NoForInt/Top Secret/SCI/etc.) were only issued with appropriately classified information inside - they were never just "spare", as each folder would be tracked with the classification, a brief (if possible due to security) description, and who had signed it out (and when); each folder had a serial number and a 'life cycle' (tracked from creation, every issue (and to whom & where, and how it was transported), any amendments, where it was stored, and who was the "owner" of that folder.

richard-john56 03-09-2022 15:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36133138)
Unfortunately quite a few of his cheerleaders fall into that category.

He has had these things lying around his house because he’s a narcissist, and a dangerous one at that. Ordinary rules don’t apply because he’s not an ordinary person. It’s sad that so many are content to feed his delusion rather than move on and back someone younger and more balanced to run for the Republican nomination for 2024.
Very good insight and hopefully the Democrats can get some body better than Uncle Joe to stand for them. I also wonder if Trump will ask Farage to attend one of his rallies again and appear on stage and praising and Trumping up Trump.:)

1andrew1 03-09-2022 15:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36133144)
When I was in the mob (and working with the USAF/US Army/NSA) folders with classifications (Secret/NoForInt/Top Secret/SCI/etc.) were only issued with appropriately classified information inside - they were never just "spare", as each folder would be tracked with the classification, a brief (if possible due to security) description, and who had signed it out (and when); each folder had a serial number and a 'life cycle' (tracked from creation, every issue (and to whom & where, and how it was transported), any amendments, where it was stored, and who was the "owner" of that folder.
Thanks, that all makes sense. It seems my optimism was unfounded.

Russ 03-09-2022 16:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36133144)
When I was in the mob (and working with the USAF/US Army/NSA) folders with classifications (Secret/NoForInt/Top Secret/SCI/etc.) were only issued with appropriately classified information inside - they were never just "spare", as each folder would be tracked with the classification, a brief (if possible due to security) description, and who had signed it out (and when); each folder had a serial number and a 'life cycle' (tracked from creation, every issue (and to whom & where, and how it was transported), any amendments, where it was stored, and who was the "owner" of that folder.
Given the latest revelations and your experience, what's your take on the current situation?

papa smurf 03-09-2022 16:32
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Popcorn going into microwave for this.

Pierre 03-09-2022 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36133138)
Unfortunately quite a few of his cheerleaders fall into that category.

He has had these things lying around his house because he’s a narcissist, and a dangerous one at that. Ordinary rules don’t apply because he’s not an ordinary person. It’s sad that so many are content to feed his delusion rather than move on and back someone younger and more balanced to run for the Republican nomination for 2024.
I think, for the republicans, letting Trump run again would be a mistake and damaging. The only other credible candidate appears to be de Santis, but he hasn’t said if he is going to run.

If de Santis doesn’t run, then Trump definitely will …..I think.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36133086)
If anyone else was found with '7 documents marked top secret' they would be thrown into jail.
H.Clinton had an entire server.

Damien 03-09-2022 19:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36133160)
H.Clinton had an entire server.
Yes, and the FBI took it. It's only now it's happened to Trump that suddenly the Republicans are outraged.

If, like Clinton, they find the files he had were not top secret he'll get let off as well.

Mick 05-09-2022 19:10
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BREAKING: A federal judge on Monday ordered a halt to the Justice Department’s review of materials seized from former U.S President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, giving the former President a win, describing a threat to institutions and the risk of media leaks that could cause harm to Trump.

“Plaintiff faces an unquantifiable potential harm by way of improper disclosure of sensitive information to the public,” U.S District Court Judge Aileen Cannon wrote in a 24-page ruling issued on Labor Day. Her order also included the appointment of a special master to review documents to review and assess executive privilege. - CNN

Russ 05-09-2022 19:22
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Dammit.

Can’t they just arrest the orange womble anyway? It would make the world a better place.

Mick 05-09-2022 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36133301)
Dammit.

Can’t they just arrest the orange womble anyway? It would make the world a better place.
A Biden DoJ arresting his political opponent, is so Russia like. :erm:

In other news, Jamie Foxx does a brill Trump impression. :p:

Russ 05-09-2022 19:41
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The man’s a criminal so arresting for anything would be a great start.

1andrew1 05-09-2022 19:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36133304)
A Biden DoJ arresting his political opponent, is so Russia like. :erm:

In other news, Jamie Foxx does a brill Trump impression. :p:
That impression's great! :D

Stepping aside from Trump and Biden. Does that approach effectively mean that the political opponents of a US President can't be arrested for any crimes they conduct if their opponent appoints the DoJ?

Mick 05-09-2022 20:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36133307)
That impression's great! :D

Stepping aside from Trump and Biden. Does that approach effectively mean that the political opponents of a US President can't be arrested for any crimes they conduct if their opponent appoints the DoJ?
It’s not legally impossible, just politically, it looks suspect.

Does the DoJ & FBI just walk in to Trump Tower, arrest Trump and not expect any potential riots across the country, Trump still has a huge following?

If so, they’re gonna need something stronger than empty folders with Top secret labels on them.

Hugh 05-09-2022 20:19
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Well, they had documents with Top Secret, Secret, & SCI classifications, not just empty folders.

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Among the items recovered after the unprecedented 8 August search of Mar-a-Lago were:

3 documents marked confidential
17 documents marked secret
7 documents marked top secret
43 empty folders with classified banners
28 empty folders labelled "Return to staff secretary/military aide"
The challenge with the empty folders is "what was in them that now isn’t", and where is that classified information now?

Mr K 07-09-2022 08:20
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Highly classified documents seized from Donald Trump’s Florida home contained foreign nuclear secrets so sensitive only a handful of national security officials know of their existence, it has been revealed.

Some of the documents retrieved from Mar-a-Lago by FBI agents last month contain such top-secret information that those viewing them require special clearances, not just top-secret clearance, according to a Washington Post report.

They are so restricted that even some of the Biden administration's senior-most national security officials were not authorised to review them.

Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, underscoring the FBI’s concern that they were being kept at the Florida mansion.

The documents, according to unnamed officials quoted by The Post, described a different nation's ability to attack with nuclear weapons and their ability to defend against similar attacks.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...dly-contained/

Well that's our nuclear deterrent up the spout ! The orange one is after all Putin's best buddy , and described him as a 'smart guy'. He's probably now a well informed guy too....
How would any American consider voting for him? Genuinely puzzled. Mass hysteria, can only last so long...

Damien 07-09-2022 08:39
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Hope that wasn’t us!

I mean it's probably Iran as that was a big issue whilst he was President but how stupid do you have to be to keep nuclear secrets at your house?

Mick 16-09-2022 11:09
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BREAKING: U.S District Judge denies Department of Justice request for stay in investigation of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago docs

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U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon on Thursday denied the Department of Justice's request for a partial stay of her ruling that limited the government's investigation of how Donald Trump handled sensitive material at his Mar-a-Lago estate, pending a third-party review of what agents found at Trump's home.

Cannon, in issuing her order, said that she was not willing to accept the government's assertions that roughly 100 documents taken from Mar-a-Lago were classified -- even though they were labeled as such, with some bearing "SECRET" and "TOP SECRET/SCI" markings.

Cannon appointed Raymond Dearie, senior district judge for the Eastern District of New York, as special master to help her resolve the matter. (Earlier this week, the DOJ wrote in court papers that it did not object to to Dearie, who was suggested by Trump's legal team.)

"The Court does not find it appropriate to accept the Government’s conclusions on these important and disputed issues without further review by a neutral third party in an expedited and orderly fashion," Cannon wrote in her order.

She approached with heavy skepticism the DOJ's arguments about the documents with classified markings and the government’s claims that Trump has no right to the materials at all.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/judg...ry?id=89966326

ianch99 16-09-2022 12:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134280)
BREAKING: U.S District Judge denies Department of Justice request for stay in investigation of former President Trump's Mar-a-Lago docs

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/judg...ry?id=89966326
The Judge, appointed by Trump, seems to have a bizarre perception on what Classified documents are and who is allowed to hold them.

Pierre 16-09-2022 13:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36134284)
The Judge, appointed by Trump, seems to have a bizarre perception on what Classified documents are and who is allowed to hold them.
She just wants them reviewed by an independent unbiased 3rd party. She's not prepared to take the governments word on it and, given this government, nor would I if I was her.

1andrew1 16-09-2022 13:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36134292)
She just wants them reviewed by an independent unbiased 3rd party. She's not prepared to take the governments word on it and, given this government, nor would I if I was her.
It's the Department of Justice not the government.

Mick 16-09-2022 13:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36134292)
She just wants them reviewed by an independent unbiased 3rd party. She's not prepared to take the governments word on it and, given this government, nor would I if I was her.
Isn’t it funny how when Judges who ruled against Trump in prior cases, including when he was President, the left proclaimed, they ruled with honour and integrity & legitimacy yelled at him and others not to attack the judiciary.

They rule in his favour, get labelled corrupt blah blah yawn. You couldn’t make this shit up with these liberal lefty folk. :D

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36134293)
It's the Department of Justice not the government.
Um, the Department of Justice is a major Government Agency of the USA LOL. :rofl:

BenMcr 16-09-2022 14:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36134292)
She just wants them reviewed by an independent unbiased 3rd party. She's not prepared to take the governments word on it and, given this government, nor would I if I was her.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134297)
They rule in his favour, get labelled corrupt blah blah yawn. You couldn’t make this shit up with these liberal lefty folk. :D
From comments I've seen from American lawyers, the issue is that there is no clear legal basis for her ruling, not that it's specifically in favour of Trump.

Damien 16-09-2022 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134297)
Isn’t it funny how when Judges who ruled against Trump in prior cases, including when he was President, the left proclaimed, they ruled with honour and integrity & legitimacy yelled at him and others not to attack the judiciary.

They rule in his favour, get labelled corrupt blah blah yawn. You couldn’t make this shit up with these liberal lefty folk. :D
It's the same with Trump fans on the right when judges rule against him.

Anyway everyone should just less the process play out. The Justice Department can appeal higher up if the problem is really with the Judge as some claim or just leave it to the 3rd party. If it's true that there was information about a foreign country's nuclear weapons program in those documents then no way is a 3rd party going to deem that valid for personal use.

Mick 16-09-2022 14:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36134301)
From comments I've seen from American lawyers, the issue is that there is no clear legal basis for her ruling, not that it's specifically in favour of Trump.
She’s made a clear legal basis, appointed a Special master to oversee documents seized, while temporarily halting DoJ investigation on this matter. She has the power to do that and I think it is right and proper that an independent assessor checks stuff appropriately, Trump claims his most recent medical records were seized, DoJ has no right to that information, nor do the public. It’s right and proper that this gets done but again, because it’s Trump, all rights to a fair case, get waived and armchair judges and jurors want to instantly insist his guilt. :rolleyes:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36134302)
It's the same with Trump fans on the right when judges rule against him.

Anyway everyone should just less the process play out. The Justice Department can appeal higher up if the problem is really with the Judge as some claim or just leave it to the 3rd party. If it's true that there was information about a foreign country's nuclear weapons program in those documents then no way is a 3rd party going to deem that valid for personal use.
I said similar, but inverted. You liberals foamed at the mouth when Judges ruled against Trump, but when it’s in his favour, background of Judge is called in to question.

Equally, I’m not a Trump fan, I’m a fan of a fair and balanced legal system, that treats people the same. Surely this is a true liberal way.

1andrew1 16-09-2022 14:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134304)
I said similar, but inverted. You liberals foamed at the mouth when Judges ruled against Trump, but when it’s in his favour, background of Judge is called in to question.

Equally, I’m not a Trump fan, I’m a fan of a fair and balanced legal system, that treats people the same. Surely this is a true liberal way.
To be fair to Damien, I think Republicans would term most Brits liberals with regard to this country's belief in a healthcare system free at the point of delivery, maternity pay and women's right to abortion.

Damien 16-09-2022 14:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134304)
I said similar, but inverted. You liberals foamed at the mouth when Judges ruled against Trump, but when it’s in his favour, background of Judge is called in to question.

Equally, I’m not a Trump fan, I’m a fan of a fair and balanced legal system, that treats people the same. Surely this is a true liberal way.
I am not making any comment on the judge. Just pointing out the hypocrisy you allege of 'liberals' exists in Trump supporters as well, if we're generalising that is. They even send death threats to judges that rule against Trump.

I wouldn't bucket myself under the term 'liberals' either since that seems more of a U.S divide than one that reflects this country here. Plenty of people who would not describe themselves as liberals in this country would be labelled as such by the Republicans. I think there is a going trend of people letting US political terms and issues creep into British politics because of how much of this stuff plays out online.

Mick 16-09-2022 15:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36134307)
I am not making any comment on the judge. Just pointing out the hypocrisy you allege of 'liberals' exists in Trump supporters as well, if we're generalising that is. They even send death threats to judges that rule against Trump.

I wouldn't bucket myself under the term 'liberals' either since that seems more of a U.S divide than one that reflects this country here. Plenty of people who would not describe themselves as liberals in this country would be labelled as such by the Republicans. I think there is a going trend of people letting US political terms and issues creep into British politics because of how much of this stuff plays out online.
Those who threaten anyone aren’t even worthy of discussion.

pip08456 21-09-2022 18:22
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BREAKING: New York AG Letitia James has just filed a civil fraud lawsuit against Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Trump Organization, Inc., and others.

joglynne 21-09-2022 18:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36134639)
BREAKING: New York AG Letitia James has just filed a civil fraud lawsuit against Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Trump Organization, Inc., and others.
You just know this will end in either tears or a massive tantrum.

Mick 21-09-2022 18:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36134639)
BREAKING: New York AG Letitia James has just filed a civilfraud lawsuit against Donald Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump, Eric Trump, Allen Weisselberg, Jeffrey McConney, The Trump Organization, Inc., and others.
How brave is she, for an Attorney General of NY, going down a civil route and not a “criminality” one. :rolleyes:

BenMcr 21-09-2022 21:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134643)
How brave is she, for an Attorney General of NY, going down a civil route and not a “criminality” one. :rolleyes:
She can't unless she gets approval

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...charging-cuomo

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Under New York’s executive law, the attorney general can’t open criminal investigations or bring charges without a green light from the governor or one of his department heads. James never got such approval.

The law is so quirky that James needed a hard-fought referral from Cuomo’s office in March simply to open her limited civil inquiry, which culminated in a damning 165-page report. Her role ended there, though local district attorneys still have the ability to prosecute Cuomo if they choose.

GrimUpNorth 21-09-2022 21:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134643)
How brave is she, for an Attorney General of NY, going down a civil route and not a “criminality” one. :rolleyes:
I wasn't listening properly but I'm sure in the Q&A afterwards someone said something along the lines of this civil action was running in parallel with a criminal investigation being progressed by the Manhattan AG.

BenMcr 21-09-2022 21:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36134651)
I wasn't listening properly but I'm sure in the Q&A afterwards someone said something along the lines of this civil action was running in parallel with a criminal investigation being progressed by the Manhattan AG.
Yes, she's referred it on for potential criminal action by those who can do so.

pip08456 21-09-2022 21:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36134652)
Yes, she's referred it on for potential criminal action by those who can do so.
Those being the DoJ who she's passed it to.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134304)
She’s made a clear legal basis, appointed a Special master to oversee documents seized, while temporarily halting DoJ investigation on this matter. She has the power to do that and I think it is right and proper that an independent assessor checks stuff appropriately, Trump claims his most recent medical records were seized, DoJ has no right to that information, nor do the public. It’s right and proper that this gets done but again, because it’s Trump, all rights to a fair case, get waived and armchair judges and jurors want to instantly insist his guilt. :rolleyes:
.
Not looking good for him.

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Once the hearing began, Judge Dearie appeared sceptical after Mr Trump’s lawyers resisted his request for more information about whether the seized records had been previously declassified – as Trump has maintained.

His lawyers have consistently stopped short of that claim even as they asserted in a separate filing on Tuesday that the Justice Department had not proven the documents were classified.

“In the case of someone who has been president of the United States, they have unfettered access along with unfettered declassification authority," submitted Mr Trump’s lawyer James Trusty in court.

But the judge rebutted this claim by saying he would be inclined to treat a document as classified if the lawyers did not advance a claim of declassification and the Justice Department made an acceptable case that such records had remained classified.

“The government gives me prima facie evidence that these are classified documents — as far as I’m concerned, that’s the end of it,” he said.

BenMcr 21-09-2022 21:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36134656)
Those being the DoJ who she's passed it to.



Not looking good for him.
Different case as what I was referring to in NY, although agreed that Dearie is a lot more by the book than I think Trumps team were expecting.

Mick 21-09-2022 22:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36134656)
Those being the DoJ who she's passed it to.



Not looking good for him.
She is an Attorney General of New York why hasn’t she decided to prosecute, herself?

A civil case is a cop out. She’s made a criminal referral, great, on top hundreds before her. If Robert Muller didn’t find fraudulent criminal wrong doing during Trump’s tenure as president, what makes you think they will find anything now?

It’s not been looking good for him since 2016, apparently. :rolleyes:

Damien 21-09-2022 23:27
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As it's a civil case it's not a big deal to him anyway. He can probably crowdsource the fine, plenty of people would sell off their own kidneys for him.

The documents at his house and the Jan 6th investigation are the real problems for him in terms of running again.

1andrew1 22-09-2022 00:40
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Apparently, the proof of evidence is higher for criminal cases than civil ones. This is why a civil case is being made.

BenMcr 22-09-2022 01:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36134662)
She is an Attorney General of New York why hasn’t she decided to prosecute, herself?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36134671)
Apparently, the proof of evidence is higher for criminal cases than civil ones. This is why a civil case is being made.
It's not that, it's this

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-62986812
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Her office does not have the power to file criminal charges, but is referring allegations of criminal wrongdoing to federal prosecutors and to the Internal Revenue Service.

ianch99 22-09-2022 09:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36134669)
The documents at his house and the Jan 6th investigation are the real problems for him in terms of running again.
So this. He knows he's toast.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1572764115885772803

Quote:
Trump says you can declassify documents by just thinking about it

Maggy 22-09-2022 09:33
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I'll believe it when he's actually charged,found guilty and sentenced.Until then I'm not holding my breath.

pip08456 22-09-2022 10:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36134677)
I had to laugh at this twitter comment.

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Omg he’s actually invoking the Secret Telepathic Unilateral Preemptive Irreversible Declassification (S.T.U.P.I.D.) defense.
:LOL::LOL::LOL:

ianch99 22-09-2022 11:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36134681)
I had to laugh at this twitter comment.



:LOL::LOL::LOL:
I liked this comment :)

Quote:
know who's living her best life right now? the email lady

Damien 22-09-2022 11:49
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-court-ruling/

The appeals court has overturned the ban on the justice department having direct access to the documents.

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In Wednesday night’s ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit in Atlanta found fault with Trump’s rationale that the classified documents seized on Aug. 8 might be his property, rather than the government’s. The appeals court also disagreed with the rationale used by U.S. District Judge Aileen M. Cannon in agreeing to have the classified documents reviewed by a special master to see if they should be shielded from investigators because of executive or attorney-client privilege.

“For our part, we cannot discern why [Trump] would have an individual interest in or need for any of the one-hundred documents with classification markings,” the court wrote, noting that the stay it issued is temporary and should not be considered a final decision on the merits of the case.

1andrew1 22-09-2022 16:56
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I think one thing we can all agree with Allan Litchman on is that Trump won't be the next Republican candidate.

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“He’s done,” said Allan Lichtman, a history professor at American University, in Washington, who has accurately predicted every presidential election since 1984. “He’s got too many burdens, too much baggage to be able to run again even presuming he escapes jail, he escapes bankruptcy. I’m not sure he’s going to escape jail.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-investigation

Mick 22-09-2022 18:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36134678)
I'll believe it when he's actually charged,found guilty and sentenced.Until then I'm not holding my breath.
Neither am I and perhaps others shouldn’t do same.

1andrew1 22-09-2022 18:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36134678)
I'll believe it when he's actually charged,found guilty and sentenced.
Even if he's jailed, I suspect many Trump supporters won't accept the result and will believe it's political. After all, some of them are still in denial about the election results!

Mick 22-09-2022 18:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36134716)
Even if he's jailed, I suspect many Trump supporters won't accept the result and will believe it's political. After all, some of them are still in denial about the election results!
Actually many are getting turned off by Trump’s obsession with election defeat, it’s only the die hards that still worship him and they won’t help him win. Many are turning to fresher, younger skills, like Ron DeSantis, he is the better option for 2024, imo.

BenMcr 22-09-2022 18:42
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Unfortunately he is loves a 'stunt' just as much as Trump seems to, what with the recent flight he paid for for migrants from Texas and Florida to Martha's Vineyard, using Florida Covid funds.

He's now being sued by some the migrants he flew and is being investigated by a Texas Sheriff for it too.

Although for some in the American right, those are things to be commended in a politician.

Mick 22-09-2022 18:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36134720)
Unfortunately he is loves a 'stunt' just as much as Trump seems to, what with the recent flight he paid for for migrants from Texas and Florida to Martha's Vineyard, using Florida Covid funds.

He's now being sued by some the migrants he flew and is being investigated by a Texas Sheriff for it too.

Although for some in the American right, those are things to be commended in a politician.
Well, Covid is over, even Sleepy Joe Biden said it on 60 Minutes over weekend. If they are economic migrants they need to be sent back to country of origin. DeSantis was making a statement sending them to Martha’s Vineyard, because Democrats don’t like migrants in their own backyard and he’s sick of Texas bearing the brunt of illegal migration.

Hugh 23-09-2022 07:28
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
https://wapo.st/3UzQc04

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The Mar-a-Lago special master on Thursday ordered Donald Trump’s lawyers to state in a court filing whether they believe FBI agents lied about documents seized from the former president’s Florida residence in a court-authorized search last month, or claimed to have taken items that were not actually in Trump’s possession.

In a Thursday afternoon filing, U.S. District Judge Raymond J. Dearie — the special master — told Trump’s legal team to state by Sept. 30 whether they believe any of the seized items were incorrectly described in the Justice Department’s 11-page inventory list, which said some of the documents were highly classified.

Dearie also told them to say whether they are claiming that any items on the inventory list were not in fact taken from the premises.

Trump has said on social media and in television interviews that the FBI planted items when they searched his Mar-a-Lago residence and private club on Aug. 8. He also claimed to have declassified documents found in that search that were marked classified and were highly sensitive. His lawyers have not made similar assertions in court, however, instead saying they have not reviewed the seized materials and are unable to confirm whether the government’s inventory list is accurate.

Dearie’s order, in essence, demands that Trump’s lawyers back up their client’s claims. “This submission shall be Plaintiff’s final opportunity to raise any factual dispute as to the completeness and accuracy of the Detailed Property Inventory,” he wrote.

At a hearing Tuesday, Dearie pressed Trump’s lawyers to take a position on whether the classified documents were, as Trump has said, declassified, but they demurred.

1andrew1 13-10-2022 21:40
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
History in the making!

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January 6 committee votes to subpoena Donald Trump

Members of Congress also say they are considering making a ‘series of criminal referrals’ relating to Capitol riots

The congressional committee investigating last year’s attack on the US Capitol has voted unanimously to issue a subpoena to former president Donald Trump, whom members have accused of being responsible for the violence that day.

Speaking at the end of the committee’s ninth live televised hearing, the Democratic chair Bennie Thompson, said: “He is the one person at the centre of the story of what happened on January 6, so we want to hear from him.”

Liz Cheney, the Republican deputy chair, said: “We must seek the testimony under oath of the January 6 central player.”

The former president could choose to attend a hearing and refuse to answer questions, as some of his supporters have done. Cheney said this silence was a crucial reason to issue the subpoena.

Trump could also defy the order and refuse to attend — though some of his supporters, including his former strategist Steve Bannon, have been charged with contempt of Congress for doing so.

The vote came after another dramatic televised hearing on the January 6 attack on the Capitol, during which the committee presented fresh evidence that Trump believed he had lost the election, yet pressed ahead with his attempt to overturn the result anyway.
https://www.ft.com/content/95ee40c1-...0-8518a6d9d650

Hugh 13-10-2022 22:27
Re: FBI searches former president Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate
 
At the same time…

https://wapo.st/3MrJiXe

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Supreme Court rejects Trump request on Mar-a-Lago documents

The Supreme Court on Thursday refused to reinstate Judge Aileen Cannon’s order that a special master review classified documents taken in an FBI search of Mar-a-Lago, Donald Trump’s Florida home and private club. There were no noted dissents.

The one-sentence order turned aside an emergency request from the former president to intervene in the document review, which is part of an ongoing criminal investigation into the potential mishandling of classified material after Trump left the White House
https://wapo.st/3T1LyH1

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Judge clears way for Trump to be deposed in defamation case

NEW YORK — A federal judge has denied a request by former president Donald Trump to pause proceedings in a defamation case brought against him in 2019 by an author who said he raped her in a department store dressing room decades ago.

The decision clears the way for Trump, who denies the claim, to be deposed as scheduled next week.

In the lawsuit brought against Trump by former Elle magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll, Trump recently won a temporary reprieve from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, which sent the case to the appeals court in D.C. to resolve whether Trump was a federal employee as defined by the law when he publicly rebutted Carroll’s story.


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