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Paul	25-03-2022 20:48

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36117485)

Thanks but needs a subscription

I dont think it does, I could access it ok (after dealing with the ever annoying cookies pop-up).

Carth

25-03-2022 21:14

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36117498)

I dont think it does, I could access it ok (after dealing with the ever annoying cookies pop-up).

Yeah same, I hate those damn things :(

papa smurf

26-03-2022 17:51

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A P&O Ferries ship is being held in Northern Ireland because it is "unfit to sail", nine days after the company sacked 800 workers without notice. The European Causeway had been held in Larne over "failures on crew familiarisation, vessel documentation and crew training", the Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-...20(MCA)%20said.

Carth

26-03-2022 18:54

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36117555)

Oh dear. That's bound to increase customer confidence eh :D

papa smurf

26-03-2022 19:18

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36117557)

Oh dear. That's bound to increase customer confidence eh :D

The one thing we learned from the EU -bureaucracy:)

ianch99

26-03-2022 19:30

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36117559)

The one thing we learned from the EU -bureaucracy:)

Or in this case, making sure the ship is fit to sail in the world's busiest shipping lane. :dunce:

Sephiroth

26-03-2022 19:42

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36117560)

Or in this case, making sure the ship is fit to sail in the world's busiest shipping lane. :dunce:

Have we detained another ferry?

ianch99

26-03-2022 20:23

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Looks like the Government have requested extra checks on the new crews:

https://twitter.com/grantshapps/stat...75132948058114

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Following my instruction to inspect all P&O vessels prior to entering back into service, the @MCA_Media has detained a ship for being unfit to sail. I will not compromise the safety of these vessels and P&O will not be able to rush inexperienced crew through training.

and so far, the Ferry operating from Larne has failed the checks.

Good work ..

Hugh	26-03-2022 20:27

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36117559)

The one thing we learned from the EU -bureaucracy:)

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36117560)

Or in this case, making sure the ship is fit to sail in the world's busiest shipping lane. :dunce:

Namby-pamby tree-hugging Socialist softies stifling striving Capitalism - what’s next, life-jackets & lifeboats?

Political Correctness gorn maaaahhhhd!!!

1andrew1

28-03-2022 13:54

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P&O not doing so well in other areas too.

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P&O in dispute with pension fund over value of ships guaranteeing debt

Wide discrepancy in valuations between company and trustees for three ferries pledged against £146mn deficit

The Financial Times reported last week that the Pensions Regulator was investigating concerns that P&O, which has the largest proportion of liabilities in the Merchant Navy Ratings Pension Fund, had not paid £146mn owed to the scheme that serves about 100 groups.

P&O has indicated that the entire debt is secured by a guarantee over three of its ships — the Pride of Canterbury, Norbay and European Highlander. But according to people close to the details, P&O’s valuation of two of the ships is 40-70 per cent higher than the pension scheme’s estimates of their valuations.

A valuation of the three ships provided to the Financial Times by independent valuer VesselsValue gave them a total market price of about £45mn.

In April 2021, P&O sold two older but similar ferries, the Pride of Bruges and the Pride of York, for €5mn (£4.2mn) per ship, according to the ferry operator’s financial statements.

P&O owes the largest proportion of the £1.25bn scheme’s overall £96mn deficit, but has not made any voluntary contributions since its acquisition in 2006 by logistics business DP World, majority-owned by the Dubai Sovereign Wealth Fund. However, P&O has paid more than £80mn into the fund, which has 20,000 members, since 2016.

Guarantees are commonly used by pension trustees as a backstop in case an employer is unable to meet its obligations to a scheme.

https://www.ft.com/content/3b00d18d-...b-bac713b685ff

Chris

28-03-2022 15:12

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36117635)

P&O not doing so well in other areas too.

https://www.ft.com/content/3b00d18d-...b-bac713b685ff

Yeah … you don’t have to be any kind of maritime expert to know a second-hand passenger ferry isn’t worth £45 million.

papa smurf

28-03-2022 15:57

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36117640)

Yeah … you don’t have to be any kind of maritime expert to know a second-hand passenger ferry isn’t worth £45 million.

Have you factored in the good will:erm:

Pierre

28-03-2022 17:19

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36117640)

Yeah … you don’t have to be any kind of maritime expert to know a second-hand passenger ferry isn’t worth £45 million.

3 ferries. but still over-priced by about 70%

1andrew1

28-03-2022 17:25

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I'd like to see how much they're actually insured for. ;)

Paul	28-03-2022 18:27

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-60895833

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The boss of P&O Ferries has been given "one final opportunity" to reemploy sacked staff on their previous salaries by Transport Secretary Grant Shapps.

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In a letter, Mr Shapps again urged Peter Hebblethwaite to reverse his decision to sack 800 seafarers.

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If not, he said the government's plans to make it illegal for ferry firms to pay less than the minimum wage, would likely force him to do so.

Pierre

28-03-2022 20:21

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If not, he said the government's plans to make it illegal for ferry firms to pay less than the minimum wage, would likely force him to do so.

or 800 sub-continent & Malayan agency workers will get a massive pay rise.

If they need any kind of licence to operate out of U.K. ports it should be revoked, immediately. Send them under. Administrators will be brought in, and the remains of the operation can be sold as a going concern.

pip08456

28-03-2022 22:12

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36117485)

Thanks but needs a subscription

It does not need a subscription. It needs you to whitelist in your adblocker so you get the pop-ups and other advertising.

Still a good reason to avoid it though IMO.

nffc	28-03-2022 23:11

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36117640)

Yeah … you don’t have to be any kind of maritime expert to know a second-hand passenger ferry isn’t worth £45 million.

They must have used the same people Mel Morris used to value Pride Park

papa smurf

26-04-2022 17:27

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P&O Ferry ADRIFT in the Irish Sea with up to 410 passengers aboard: RNLI launches as ship issues emergency alert saying it is 'not under command' while five miles from Larne - a month after firm replaced 800 UK staff with cheap foreign crews

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

nomadking

26-04-2022 19:01

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36117660)

And all the other ferry companies that are doing the same? Then what about other shipping?

Then you have the complication as to which country of either side of a route has precedence over the other?
That is why it's covered by International rules.

Pierre

26-04-2022 22:47

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36120188)

And all the other ferry companies that are doing the same?

Which ones, name and shame them

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Then what about other shipping?

oh yes, this happened in much of the merchant navy, and other offshore sectors a long ago.

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Then you have the complication as to which country of either side of a route has precedence over the other?
That is why it's covered by International rules.

Well, I’m referring to the U.K., we have the power to regulate what vessels are allowed to operate within our sovereign waters.

nomadking

26-04-2022 23:22

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36120211)

Which ones, name and shame them

oh yes, this happened in much of the merchant navy, and other offshore sectors a long ago.

Well, I’m referring to the U.K., we have the power to regulate what vessels are allowed to operate within our sovereign waters.

Where is your evidence that they are not doing the same?:rolleyes:

Link with examples
Eg

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In early 2021, when Irish Ferries announced plans to bring its low-cost crewing model to the Dover-Calais corridor, unions warned of a race to the bottom.

So who sets the rules for that route? UK or France?

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As Hebblethwaite spelled out in a letter to Shapps: “Under this model, crews are paid for the actual time they work (plus holidays) rather than the previous model in which crews were granted full pay for working 24 weeks a year.”

Pierre

26-04-2022 23:46

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So where was the outrage against those?

papa smurf

27-04-2022 13:11

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'Inexperienced' £5.50-an-hour agency crew are blamed for P&O Ferries ship losing power and drifting in Irish Sea - as the first ferry carrying freight crosses the Channel since 800 workers were sacked

Lowly-paid staff were said to have 'gone on strike' and left the ship adrift five miles off the coast of Northern Ireland for more than an hour on Tuesday afternoon, according to tracking website Marine Traffic, before being escorted to its planned destination at Port of Larne.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Irish-Sea.html

TheDaddy

28-04-2022 11:10

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36120262)

Who couldn't see this coming, pay peanuts, get monkeys

1andrew1

28-04-2022 17:26

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36120344)

Who couldn't see this coming, pay peanuts, get monkeys

The government should legislate that companies who run ferries within the UK (eg England/Scotland/Wales to Northern Ireland) should pay minimum wage and enter into reciprocal agreements with European countries like France to which other ferries run to. Maybe the lowest minimum wage of the two countries concerned?

We are a proud maritime nation but the issues with P&O Ferries show that our legislation needs updating.

Mick	27-05-2022 16:35

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BREAKING: P&O Ferries struggles to win back customers 10 weeks after brutally sacking 800 crew - ITV News.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-27/...cking-800-crew

Zero sympathy given.

Chris

27-05-2022 16:44

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There there never mind.

1andrew1

27-05-2022 16:47

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How they didn't expect such an outcome is beyond me.

Paul	27-05-2022 17:12

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Serves them right, and entirely predictable.

Halcyon

27-05-2022 17:13

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36123854)

BREAKING: P&O Ferries struggles to win back customers 10 weeks after brutally sacking 800 crew - ITV News.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-05-27/...cking-800-crew

Zero sympathy given.

Well theres a suprise! Said no one ever.

In these times of hardship they go and sack their dedicated crew and expect the public to support them after all this.

Time for them to realise the mess they caused!

Sephiroth

27-05-2022 17:30

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People are fickle. As soon as they can’t get onto a Brittany’s ferry or Eurostar is too expensive they’ll flock back to P&O.

TheDaddy

27-05-2022 17:52

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36123865)

People are fickle. As soon as they can’t get onto a Brittany’s ferry or Eurostar is too expensive they’ll flock back to P&O.

While there's an alternative I won't be using them, it's not fickle it's pragmatism

1andrew1

27-05-2022 18:23

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36123865)

People are fickle. As soon as they can’t get onto a Brittany’s ferry or Eurostar is too expensive they’ll flock back to P&O.

Assuming P&O is still around by then.

1andrew1

30-05-2022 14:49

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Owners not too in touch with British public opinion!

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Dubai owner of P&O Ferries hails management’s ‘amazing job’ over sackings

DP World head praises UK chief for ‘saving’ company as he insists ‘nobody was hurt’

The head of the Dubai-based group that owns P&O Ferries has insisted it is too late to reverse the decision to sack 800 sailors as he praised its management for doing an “amazing job” in restructuring the UK company.

Speaking to the Financial Times on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum in Davos this week, Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem, the chair and chief executive of DP World, expressed irritation at the way the UK government turned on P&O after the company announced in March that it would dismiss 800 workers without consultation.

Sulayem said the decision was taken by the P&O board without input from its Dubai parent, and the move could not be reversed.

“We said many times, [the UK government] can’t do anything now because [the P&O decision] is in the past,” he said, stressing the company’s defence that its available options were to switch to a cheaper workforce or cease operating.

“Peter [Hebblethwaite, P&O chief executive] has done an amazing job because he managed to save the company instead of 3,000 people [being] out of a job,” Sulayem said.

https://www.ft.com/content/be0734b3-...f-a631d664e862

BenMcr

30-05-2022 14:53

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124061)

Owners not too in touch with British public opinion!

https://www.ft.com/content/be0734b3-...f-a631d664e862

I don't think they particularly care about that.

Hom3r

31-05-2022 11:05

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The government scraps it contract with P&O

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61641936

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