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OLD BOY 28-05-2022 10:20
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36123907)
Not comparable Netflix is a purely entertainment existing purely for profit. The BBC is a public service broadcaster making programmes and providing services others don't as they don't make money.
Such as…? Nothing I want to see or most of us watch.

Hugh 28-05-2022 10:22
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123909)
Such as…? Nothing I want to see or most of us watch.
I know this may come as a shock to you, but "OLD BOY" ≠ "the U.K. population"… ;)

Chris 28-05-2022 10:23
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123904)
What would you say if the government took your money to fund Netflix?
“I can’t wait to see how Netflix’s output changes to reflect its new public service obligations.”

Or something like that.

1andrew1 28-05-2022 12:01
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123909)
Such as…? Nothing I want to see or most of us watch.
Over 9m people watched Eurovision and over 5m watched the FA Cup Final on BBC1 the same day. I don't think any other broadcaster matched these figures on the night.

TheDaddy 28-05-2022 12:04
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123918)
Over 9m people watched Eurovision and over 5m watched the FA Cup Final on BBC1 the same day. I don't think any other broadcaster matched these figures on the night.
and they only watched them because they were on the BBC, stick 'em on channel 5 with no bbc and they'd get those numbers

OLD BOY 28-05-2022 12:46
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123918)
Over 9m people watched Eurovision and over 5m watched the FA Cup Final on BBC1 the same day. I don't think any other broadcaster matched these figures on the night.
Not a good example. Any channel could have picked those up.

Hugh 28-05-2022 13:32
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123922)
Not a good example. Any channel could have picked those up.
But didn’t…

1andrew1 28-05-2022 14:55
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123909)
Such as…? Nothing I want to see or most of us watch.
Two examples given showing that the BBC does put on programming that most of us watch.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36123922)
Not a good example. Any channel could have picked those up.
Irrelevant. My response to your question was correct. You are moving the goal posts again.

TheDaddy 28-05-2022 15:00
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123927)
Irrelevant.

The exam question was does the BBC currently show stuff that people want to see? The answer is that it does and those two programmes are evidence of this.
How is it irrelevant, the BBC doesn't own those events, they're not their idea or content, literally any broadcaster could show them if they out bid BBC, the fact they didn't just shows how much of our money they have to squander

OLD BOY 28-05-2022 19:08
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123927)
Two examples given showing that the BBC does put on programming that most of us watch.


Irrelevant. My response to your question was correct. You are moving the goal posts again.
I’m beginning to wonder about your reasoning abilities, Andrew. Of course it’s relevant. If other channels are willing to screen these shows, it rather shatters the argument that we must support the BBC with taxpayer’s money.

The question I’m asking you is which programmes does the BBC make that other channels wouldn’t if the BBC ceased to exist?

Songs of Praise is the only one I can come up with.

1andrew1 29-05-2022 11:47
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36123928)
How is it irrelevant, the BBC doesn't own those events, they're not their idea or content, literally any broadcaster could show them if they out bid BBC, the fact they didn't just shows how much of our money they have to squander
Old Boy said the BBC showed "Nothing I want to see or most of us watch."

I provided two programmes that showed they did.

Whether other channels would show these events in the absence of the BBC was not in the question.

Obviously, popular shows like these would be viable for any commercial channel.

Sephiroth 29-05-2022 12:10
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The problem with the BBC is that it is a law unto itself, leading to the £159 licence fee. The famous 43p/day for a week is half a chicken to poor families.

Being a law unto itself, a variant of Parkinson's Law has been applied, allowing the BBC to grow and increase its capacity rather than remain within previous boundaries.

Something along the lines that I posted here should be the way forward and better still to be supported by advertising.

EDIT: Thought for a Sunday: In the beginning the lord gave the word and the word was "cash" (not the BBC).

Hugh 29-05-2022 12:15
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A chicken for 86p??

How is the BBC a "law unto itself", when the Government appoint the Board, set the Licence Fee, are currently conducting a Mid-Term Review (run by the Secretary of State for the DCMS) focussing on the governance and regulatory arrangements for the BBC, and it is regulated by OFCOM and audited by the National Audit Office?

OLD BOY 29-05-2022 12:37
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123964)
Old Boy said the BBC showed "Nothing I want to see or most of us watch."

I provided two programmes that showed they did.

Whether other channels would show these events in the absence of the BBC was not in the question.

Obviously, popular shows like these would be viable for any commercial channel.
I do watch TV shows, Andrew and I’ve never said I don’t. That quote from my post was in answer to Mr K’s when he said:

‘The BBC is a public service broadcaster making programmes and providing services others don't as they don't make money.’

Sephiroth 29-05-2022 13:18
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36123967)
A chicken for 86p??

How is the BBC a "law unto itself", when the Government appoint the Board, set the Licence Fee, are currently conducting a Mid-Term Review (run by the Secretary of State for the DCMS) focussing on the governance and regulatory arrangements for the BBC, and it is regulated by OFCOM and audited by the National Audit Office?

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A chicken for 86p??
Clarified in an edit to my earlier post.

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How is the BBC a "law unto itself", when the Government appoint the Board, set the Licence Fee, are currently conducting a Mid-Term Review (run by the Secretary of State for the DCMS) focussing on the governance and regulatory arrangements for the BBC, and it is regulated by OFCOM and audited by the National Audit Office?
Realms of, mate. They've gone from two TV channels and 4 radio channels to an explosion of unnecessary channels with commensurate rise in licence fee. Nobody commanded their expansion.

TheDaddy 29-05-2022 13:22
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36123964)
Old Boy said the BBC showed "Nothing I want to see or most of us watch."

I provided two programmes that showed they did.
No you never, most of us didn't watch either show and out of a whole years schedule you managed to come up with two :spin:

Jaymoss 30-05-2022 13:28
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Over 2.5 million viewers watch Eastenders. Statistica has the BBC having 55 million viewers over a year but dunno how they work it out

1andrew1 30-05-2022 13:41
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36123981)
No you never, most of us didn't watch either show and out of a whole years schedule you managed to come up with two :spin:
I just selected the most recent BARB figures, I didn't need to look any further than that to make my point.
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The other markets which saw more than 50% of total TV viewers watch the Grand Final were Armenia, Flemish-speaking Belgium, Denmark, Estonia, Greece, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Spain and the UK.
Meanwhile, the UK delivered the largest audience of all markets in 2022 with 8.9 million viewers watching the Grand Final, up 20% on 2021.
https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2022...s-new-records/

Old Boy has since posed a new question but it's not one I have the answer to as quickly.

TheDaddy 30-05-2022 15:42
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124059)
I just selected the most recent BARB figures, I didn't need to look any further than that to make my point.

https://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2022...s-new-records/

Old Boy has since posed a new question but it's not one I have the answer to as quickly.
Again 8.9 million people is not most of us, not really sure why you're insisting on contorting yourself round figures that do nothing except prove most people in this country didn't watch either of these shows.

1andrew1 30-05-2022 16:12
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36124065)
Again 8.9 million people is not most of us, not really sure why you're insisting on contorting yourself round figures that do nothing except prove most people in this country didn't watch either of these shows.
The article is pretty clear "The other markets which saw more than 50% of total TV viewers watch the Grand Final were...and the UK."

More than 50% of TV viewers ticks my box for "most of us" but you may well have a broader definition than this, which is your perogative.

OLD BOY 30-05-2022 17:55
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124071)
The article is pretty clear "The other markets which saw more than 50% of total TV viewers watch the Grand Final were...and the UK."

More than 50% of TV viewers ticks my box for "most of us" but you may well have a broader definition than this, which is your perogative.
But is your case not based on the shaky belief that the BBC makes programmes other channels wouldn’t?

Eurovision is not a good example, Andrew, given it’s popularity (not in this house, mind).

TheDaddy 30-05-2022 19:20
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124071)
The article is pretty clear "The other markets which saw more than 50% of total TV viewers watch the Grand Final were...and the UK."

More than 50% of TV viewers ticks my box for "most of us" but you may well have a broader definition than this, which is your perogative.
The question wasn't more than 50% of TV viewers it was most of us don't watch bbc so in answer to that this article ticks that box nicely, I await your next twisty turny thing (stolen from the BBC :shocked: ) with something less than anticipation

Sirius 30-05-2022 19:56
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36123899)
In real terms its income has gone down 25% since 2010.
https://www.vlv.org.uk/news/bbc-real...as-in-2010-11/

Not so long ago it only provided 2 tv channels, now it provides:- Attachment 29936

People never like paying, but for 43p a day it's a steal compared to Sky /Virgin or what a sub based service would cost.
That is 43p per day based on everyone being forced to pay the TV tax, what would it be if people had the choice to watch and pay or not watch and therefor not having to pay the TV Tax ?

1andrew1 30-05-2022 21:12
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36124091)
The question wasn't more than 50% of TV viewers it was most of us don't watch bbc so in answer to that this article ticks that box nicely, I await your next twisty turny thing (stolen from the BBC :shocked: ) with something less than anticipation
This question seems to alter every time I try and answer it!

Obviously, you're not going to get the majority of the population watching one TV programme when there's other forms of entertainment out there. So I know Old Boy is bright enough not to mean this unusual definition and instead the industry definition as used in BroadbandTVNews.

Mr K 30-05-2022 22:17
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36124095)
That is 43p per day based on everyone being forced to pay the TV tax, what would it be if people had the choice to watch and pay or not watch and therefor not having to pay the TV Tax ?
It would cost a lot more and those that don't want to pay, suddenly realise they did use some of the BBC tv/website/iplayer/news/sport/weather/apps/national and local radio services after all.

TheDaddy 31-05-2022 05:32
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124099)
This question seems to alter every time I try and answer it!

Obviously, you're not going to get the majority of the population watching one TV programme when there's other forms of entertainment out there. So I know Old Boy is bright enough not to mean this unusual definition and instead the industry definition as used in BroadbandTVNews.
Nope the only one altering the question is you as somewhat haphazardly try and answer it I've stuck rigidly to the original question and maintain most of us don't watch their content and can happily live without it

OLD BOY 31-05-2022 08:55
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124099)
This question seems to alter every time I try and answer it!

Obviously, you're not going to get the majority of the population watching one TV programme when there's other forms of entertainment out there. So I know Old Boy is bright enough not to mean this unusual definition and instead the industry definition as used in BroadbandTVNews.
It's not the first time that questions or points made change with discussion!

However, I don't agree with The Daddy when he says that most of us don't watch the BBC. On the contrary, I think most do, but my argument is that those who don't shouldn't have to pay, and that is why I like the idea of a subscription model for today's audience. I also think there should be an ad-funded version available for those who do not wish or cannot pay.

The constant refrain that other channels would not make some of the programmes it does if the Beeb didn't exist I find hard to fathom. There are examples of similar programmes on other channels, which disproves that. If the BBC didn't already have the rights to Eurovision, Wimbledon, etc, do you really think other channels wouldn't pick them up?

Mr K 31-05-2022 08:55
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36124115)
Nope the only one altering the question is you as somewhat haphazardly try and answer it I've stuck rigidly to the original question and maintain most of us don't watch their content and can happily live without it
91 per cent of UK adults use BBC television, radio or online each week.
https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource-repo...ats-facts.html

Sephiroth 31-05-2022 09:13
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My BBC watching is mainly Politics Live, Newsnight, Antiques Roadshow (sometimes); the odd Drama series.

Newsnight has an ITV equivalent, Peston.

Current news I can get from many sources and GB News is getting there, I would add.

ARENA and the like appear on the UK TV type channels so no issue there.

BBC in its current bloated form is not a necessity, imo.

1andrew1 31-05-2022 09:46
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124117)
It's not the first time that questions or points made change with discussion!

However, I don't agree with The Daddy when he says that most of us don't watch the BBC. On the contrary, I think most do, but my argument is that those who don't shouldn't have to pay, and that is why I like the idea of a subscription model for today's audience. I also think there should be an ad-funded version available for those who do not wish or cannot pay.

The constant refrain that other channels would not make some of the programmes it does if the Beeb didn't exist I find hard to fathom. There are examples of similar programmes on other channels, which disproves that. If the BBC didn't already have the rights to Eurovision, Wimbledon, etc, do you really think other channels wouldn't pick them up?
I agree with some of what you say.

My more fundamental point is that we're the fifth richest country in the world. If people cannot afford to pay for a TV licence then there's something fundamentally wrong with the country.

papa smurf 31-05-2022 10:01
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124122)
I agree with some of what you say.

My more fundamental point is that we're the fifth richest country in the world. If people cannot afford to pay for a TV licence then there's something fundamentally wrong with the country.
But many people are poor and can't afford the basics, there is definitely something wrong with the country.

1andrew1 31-05-2022 10:04
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36124124)
But many people are poor and can't afford the basics, there is definitely something wrong with the country.
Agreed.

Sephiroth 31-05-2022 14:29
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124122)
I agree with some of what you say.

My more fundamental point is that we're the fifth richest country in the world. If people cannot afford to pay for a TV licence then there's something fundamentally wrong with the country.

Whilst what you say is true, it's definitely not the point. A TV licence, forcing people to pay for something they might not want, on pain of criminal record, is plain wrong. A different funding model for the BBC must be found or a very much lower licence fee for a cut down BBC and no criminality for not paying.

OLD BOY 31-05-2022 16:12
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36124118)
91 per cent of UK adults use BBC television, radio or online each week.
https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource-repo...ats-facts.html
Which makes you wonder why the BBC seem to think that if the licence fee converted to a subscription, they’d have to more than double the cost to subscribers.

But I agree that despite what some people claim, most do watch it, albeit some occasionally, and if the licence fee changed to a subscription fee with only a modest increase in payment, it would be a workable proposition.The advertisement laden alternative would make up any shortfall.

1andrew1 31-05-2022 17:23
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124154)

Whilst what you say is true, it's definitely not the point. A TV licence, forcing people to pay for something they might not want, on pain of criminal record, is plain wrong. A different funding model for the BBC must be found or a very much lower licence fee for a cut down BBC and no criminality for not paying.
There's no ideal model for the licence fee if we accept the need for a state broadcaster. I've heard adding it to council tax as one suggestion which could help those on benefits and maybe help reduce the costs of collecting the fee.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124164)
Which makes you wonder why the BBC seem to think that if the licence fee converted to a subscription, they’d have to more than double the cost to subscribers.
The extra cost to subscribers would partly come from the need to paywall it across all platforms including Freeview and Freesat.

Hom3r 31-05-2022 19:43
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36123775)
Ross Noble or Alan Davies have never appeared on Mock the Week…

The headline in the Mirror article doesn’t match the body of the text - they prepare material on subjects that may be discussed - that is not "scripted".

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/a86335...longevity-bbc/

If it’s scripted, why do they film three hours, then edit it down to 30 minutes?

Having seen many TV shows being filmed (Including QI), the do many retake's to make it broadcastable, and when stuff goes wrong.

TheDaddy 31-05-2022 21:41
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36124118)
91 per cent of UK adults use BBC television, radio or online each week.
https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource-repo...ats-facts.html
Course they do, only 93% of the country even has a TV (which was the question btw, watch not listen or read) their flagship soap gets 2.5 million viewers, you do the maths

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36124058)
Over 2.5 million viewers watch Eastenders. Statistica has the BBC having 55 million viewers over a year but dunno how they work it out

OLD BOY 03-06-2022 19:13
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124122)
I agree with some of what you say.

My more fundamental point is that we're the fifth richest country in the world. If people cannot afford to pay for a TV licence then there's something fundamentally wrong with the country.
Whether or not you can afford it is not the conversation. The issue is related to whether you should be forced to pay for a non-essential service that you don’t use.

Jaymoss 03-06-2022 19:34
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124356)
Whether or not you can afford it is not the conversation. The issue is related to whether you should be forced to pay for a non-essential service that you don’t use.
If you do not use it you do not have to pay for it. Getting around the not viewing live TV is easy anyway. Do not pay a sub to the likes of Sky or Virgin do not have a free view/free sat box and do not plug in an aerial in. Then just connect to a laptop or PC and view from that. You may need a VPN in the future as the beeb are investing in tracking kit for those watching online

Sephiroth 03-06-2022 19:34
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124356)
Whether or not you can afford it is not the conversation. The issue is related to whether you should be forced to pay for a non-essential service that you don’t use.
The BBC has morphed into an unwieldly entity which has developed services that meet a variety of minority interests as well as its earlier core programming.

Why do I say "partially"? To me, this is the real debating ground. Should catering for various minorities or cultures by adding new channels be a decision that comes at the BBC's whim when it implies an increase in licence fee? SHould the BBC cater for minorities within the BBC1 / BBC2 constraints?

OLD BOY 03-06-2022 19:52
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124358)
The BBC has morphed into an unwieldly entity which has developed services that meet a variety of minority interests as well as its earlier core programming.

Why do I say "partially"?
You didn’t!

Sephiroth 03-06-2022 21:31
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124359)
You didn’t!
You'll never know!

Sephiroth 04-06-2022 16:06
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124358)
The BBC has morphed into an unwieldly entity which has developed services that meet a variety of minority interests as well as its earlier core programming.

Why do I say "partially"? To me, this is the real debating ground. Should catering for various minorities or cultures by adding new channels be a decision that comes at the BBC's whim when it implies an increase in licence fee? SHould the BBC cater for minorities within the BBC1 / BBC2 constraints?
I alighted on the Bake-Off whatever it is called this morning.

No wonder the BCC need more than £159 for their licence fee; they gratuitously decided that the programme needed 4 hosts, including Mary Berry and that ridiculous Sue Perkins. Jeez, what money wasters.

Hugh 04-06-2022 16:10
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124386)
I alighted on the Bake-Off whatever it is called this morning.

No wonder the BCC need more than £159 for their licence fee; they gratuitously decided that the programme needed 4 hosts, including Mary Berry and that ridiculous Sue Perkins. Jeez, what money wasters.
It’s been on C4 for the last 5 years…

Sephiroth 04-06-2022 17:23
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36124387)
It’s been on C4 for the last 5 years…
Oh!

heero_yuy 04-06-2022 17:25
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The BBC programme was a pudding for Liz.

Itshim 04-06-2022 17:33
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124358)
The BBC has morphed into an unwieldly entity which has developed services that meet a variety of minority interests as well as its earlier core programming.

Why do I say "partially"? To me, this is the real debating ground. Should catering for various minorities or cultures by adding new channels be a decision that comes at the BBC's whim when it implies an increase in licence fee? SHould the BBC cater for minorities within the BBC1 / BBC2 constraints?
However they still need a extra body to tell you it's raining :td:

OLD BOY 04-06-2022 18:24
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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36124357)
If you do not use it you do not have to pay for it. Getting around the not viewing live TV is easy anyway. Do not pay a sub to the likes of Sky or Virgin do not have a free view/free sat box and do not plug in an aerial in. Then just connect to a laptop or PC and view from that. You may need a VPN in the future as the beeb are investing in tracking kit for those watching online
If you use your TV to watch channels other than the BBC, you still have to pay for the licence, like it or not.

I appreciate that there are alleged workarounds, but it shouldn't be necessary to do that.

I acknowledge that at this point in time, a subscription system won't work because anyone can receive a signal free of charge through their aerial. However, there will be no excuse when we go IPTV only, which believe me is the way things are going.

Mr K 04-06-2022 19:08
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124395)
If you use your TV to watch channels other than the BBC, you still have to pay for the licence, like it or not.

I appreciate that there are alleged workarounds, but it shouldn't be necessary to do that.

I acknowledge that at this point in time, a subscription system won't work because anyone can receive a signal free of charge through their aerial. However, there will be no excuse when we go IPTV only, which believe me is the way things are going.
Tried to watch the England Hungary game streaming, it buffered a lot ( a bit like England's performance tbf).
If we all stream everything thing it will buffer a lot more.

Terrestrial is here for a few decades yet .

Jaymoss 04-06-2022 19:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124395)
If you use your TV to watch channels other than the BBC, you still have to pay for the licence, like it or not.

I appreciate that there are alleged workarounds, but it shouldn't be necessary to do that.

I acknowledge that at this point in time, a subscription system won't work because anyone can receive a signal free of charge through their aerial. However, there will be no excuse when we go IPTV only, which believe me is the way things are going.
I know the law and I know how to get around it in a few areas. It is very easy to own a TV and even if checked would not appear able to view live channels. At present I can afford it but soon I will not be able to so I won't

TBH most of what I view is downloaded series I watch very little live TV. If I can get rid of the stream box next negotiation in July I may stop paying it

OLD BOY 05-06-2022 10:07
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36124404)
Tried to watch the England Hungary game streaming, it buffered a lot ( a bit like England's performance tbf).
If we all stream everything thing it will buffer a lot more.

Terrestrial is here for a few decades yet .
It should improve before long, Mr K. Digital TV suffered freezing and buffering quite a lot in the early days, but look at it now.

Hugh 05-06-2022 10:16
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124429)
It should improve before long, Mr K. Digital TV suffered freezing and buffering quite a lot in the early days, but look at it now.
"buffering"?

Are you sure?

OLD BOY 05-06-2022 10:20
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36124431)
"buffering"?

Are you sure?
Well, stuttering, then, if I used the wrong technical term. Yes, we had a lot of that, as did our friends who had cable. One or two went back to analogue because they were so frustrated by it.

Sirius 05-06-2022 13:15
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I only watch Rugby League which is broadcasted by SKY. Why should the BBC get a payment for a channel they do not own, have no involvement with at all simply because i choice to watch SKY ?.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124433)
Well, stuttering, then, if I used the wrong technical term. Yes, we had a lot of that, as did our friends who had cable. One or two went back to analogue because they were so frustrated by it.
Since when have they broadcast in Analogue ?

OLD BOY 05-06-2022 19:01
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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 36124446)
I only watch Rugby League which is broadcasted by SKY. Why should the BBC get a payment for a channel they do not own, have no involvement with at all simply because i choice to watch SKY ?.

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Since when have they broadcast in Analogue ?
Cable didn’t go digital in my area until I think it was the early 2000’s.

Sephiroth 05-06-2022 21:48
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124460)
Cable didn’t go digital in my area until I think it was the early 2000’s.
Later than that, OB. Iirc, it was progressive between 2009 and 2013. You'll probably remember the Cisco STBs of the time.

OLD BOY 08-09-2022 16:57
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https://inews.co.uk/news/new-culture...rapped-1837803

Nice to see that the new Culture Secretary wants the BBC licence fee abolished. I hope she gets on with it.

jfman 08-09-2022 17:34
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36133728)
https://inews.co.uk/news/new-culture...rapped-1837803

Nice to see that the new Culture Secretary wants the BBC licence fee abolished. I hope she gets on with it.
:rofl:

The latest in a long line to fail.

Hugh 08-09-2022 17:42
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:rofl:

The latest in a long line to fail.
Quote:
The eleventh Culture Secretary in the past decade…

Chris 08-09-2022 17:50
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36133728)
https://inews.co.uk/news/new-culture...rapped-1837803

Nice to see that the new Culture Secretary wants the BBC licence fee abolished. I hope she gets on with it.
“Speaking in 2019, she said: “Personally I think the licence fee is an unfair tax and should be scrapped all together but that is a different debate.””

Not saying she’s likely to have changed her mind, but context is important. Personal views expressed a few years ago don’t translate immediately into policy proposals. Sometimes they don’t translate at all, because some things are too big for one minister to change by fiat.

Halcyon 09-09-2022 09:36
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Should have been scrapped years ago. Corrupted organisation.

Hugh 09-09-2022 09:55
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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 36133805)
Should have been scrapped years ago. Corrupted organisation.
Anyway, enough about Parliament…

Halcyon 09-09-2022 10:16
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36133810)
Anyway, enough about Parliament…

:D

Jaymoss 09-09-2022 10:19
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Had 2 threatening letters already and not even cancelled it a month yet hahaha

heero_yuy 09-09-2022 10:48
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Had 2 threatening letters already and not even cancelled it a month yet hahaha
Soon they'll be hammering on your front door. BTW They like to wear hi-viz to try and look "official"

You are under no obligation to open your door and certainly no obligation to let them in. They have NO right of entry, whatever they might like to imply.

As for TV detectors: That's gawping in your window or listening through the letterbox.:D

Jaymoss 09-09-2022 10:53
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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36133816)
Soon they'll be hammering on your front door. BTW They like to wear hi-viz to try and look "official"

You are under no obligation to open your door and certainly no obligation to let them in. They have NO right of entry, whatever they might like to imply.

As for TV detectors: That's gawping in your window or listening through the letterbox.:D
Hahahaha dunno how any court will accept that as evidence. I am watching Cobra Kai at the mo they could hear that and try to say I am watching TV no court will accept I heard voice surely

Halcyon 09-09-2022 11:41
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Yeah those TV detector vans are a load of nonsense.

The may have existed many moons ago but with the amount of different signals zapping round the place now they'd have no chance.




I get an e-mail every 18 months or so where I have to state I do not require a license.


I watch no BBC channels and am mostly on Netflix, Disney+, or other subscription channels.


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