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A very noble attempt.

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Stop it with the stupid names.

So Australia is now a Banana Republic of absolute tyranny. A judicial ruling, unilaterally overturned by a single minister. Should not be legally allowed.

A professional world number 1 player, discriminated against because of his medical status. Two world wars and we go back to this disgrace of a dictatorship.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Countries requiring a vaccine against things like Yellow Fever, Polio and so on as a requirement for entry have been around for ages.

And there are exemptions Djokovic would have qualified for if he didn't lie on his entry form.

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he's an antivaxxer with crackpot ideas and because he thinks he is someone he expects not to be questioned like any other normal person would be on entry to Oz. millions in Oz suffered restricted movement and isolation under some of the most draconian measure to prevent spread. why should he get free reign?

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

You must be seething then at the Nationality and Borders Bill where the UK Home Secretary can alone strip UK citizens of their nationality with no right of appeal if it is 'too difficult' to notify them

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That’s strange, because I’ve never been asked about what vaccines I’ve had when visiting another country.

Regardless. A Judge is interviewing him tomorrow, hopefully to overturn this immoral and pathetic, disgraceful and tyranny behaviour. Had Trump done this, you and others would be foaming at the mouth.

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Not pertinent to this discussion!

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The UK isn't considered an at-risk country for anything so few countries require from us but a lot of the Southern Hemisphere, including Australia, require a vaccine against Yellow Fever to enter if you're from somewhere that has Yellow Fever. A lot of Africa requires it from everyone.

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Pretty sure Damien would be congratulating Trump on making a rare sensible decision. Once he'd pinched himself and realised it wasn't a dream!

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Hysterical,

A country deciding & enacting it’s own immigration policy, being lambasted by someone who voted for something that will enable the same thing to happen in our country.

Oh you poor Syrian refugee, you can’t come in, you’re a drain on our resources
Ah anti vax spouting nutjob tennis player, come on it…..

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Hysterical nothing.

This is nothing to do with immigration so don’t bother to trying to conflate the two issues because they are different.

This is about vaccination status to enter a country. Nothing else.

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Also, he is pro-choice, not an anti-vaxxer, at the end of the day, it’s none of your business, what he chooses to do, especially based on a vaccine that does nothing to stop transmission of Covid-19.

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Informative article from The Sydney Morning Herald HERE

So many inconsistencies about the Serb......

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All this concern over a tennis player, not one word about Midget Gems :p:

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You’d never get Ministers in the UK seeking to thwart the independence of the judiciary.

Is Novak not getting thrown out for being an illegal immigrant in the sense he achieved a visa through deceit?

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His visa has been unilaterally revoked by a minister after it being granted it back by a Judge - any wrong doing on Novak's part, surely has to be ruled by the judiciary again, innocent until proven guilty, or did you conveniently forget this part to fit yours and others immoral narrative, that it is ok to forbid entry on medical grounds for a vaccination that does nothing to stop transmission.

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His visa hasn’t been revoked for that reason. I’m not being “immoral”, but it’s blatantly obvious Novak gamed the situation by faking a positive Covid test with the relevant authorities in his homeland for the purposes of of obtaining a visa.

He’s been found out because he didn’t isolate at home - a crime in Serbia punishable by a fine or community service.

It’s moved beyond the vaccine passport phase of the argument.

If he wanted to cheat the system he should have at least isolated in line with local restrictions. Had he done that he’d be playing tennis next week.

I accept the points about little/no valid case for a vaccine passport where vaccines don’t stop transmission - but at this point that’s irrelevant. He lied on his forms for entry a fact he plainly admits.

If that merits being chucked out that’s a matter for Australia and their Ministers. They’re a democracy if substantial amounts of Australians disagree then they can vote for someone else.

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Novak had a choice though. He had more than one choice.

He could have chosen to get the vaccine and meet the eligibility rules easily for Australia and he chose not to do so.

Even then having, apparently, got COVID in December he could have chosen not to travel abroad in the 14 days prior and he could have chosen not to do an interview with L'Equipe whilst positive - a choice he didn't give the journalists - but he chose not to do so.

Then he chose to lie on his immigration form.

So now Australia have chosen to kick him out.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Then the point I make yet again, which you have conveniently ignored is that, if he has done wrong then let it be handled by a court of law, not a minister making a decision off the whim.

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I'll withdraw anti vaxe however nutjob remains

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/05/nov...science-babble

it's also none of your business what the Australian government choose to do.

My opinion of him is just as pertinent as your opinion of the Australian government.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

It’s not a point I’ve ignored but if the law gives Ministers powers and rights to exercise those powers independently of the judiciary then that’s the prerogative of lawmakers in any land.

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Then again, it should be handled by a court of law or are you just happy for checks and balances to be ignored and now support communism by the back door and Australia becoming a Banana Republic ?

Additionally - Why would he want to take a vaccine that does nothing to stop transmission and could potentially have side effects that he does not want, being a healthily sporting athlete - that is his choice, he is not effecting anyone else by not getting vaccinated, any more than a vaccinated person is. Because both can equally pass on the virus.

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Spot on. If he's going to try and swerve the vaccine rule, he at least has to be seen to be self-isolating and fill out the forms correctly!

This is just plain incompetence.

Good to see Australia enforcing the rules whilst our own Prime Minister makes us look like a banana republic with his disdain for them.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

I never said it was my business - Jesus Christ - we are debating in a bloody topic aren't we? :rolleyes:

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Then his judgement should come from the rule of law - not a minister.

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I know what you mean but every country is different in the way that it is run. It is acknowledged as being a democratic country.

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Not anymore given their draconian antics of late.

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If the Australian people are unhappy with the government then they can vote them out in free and fair elections.

That's the definition of a democracy, not how they enforce their border.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Gee wizz, I would never have known this, if you had never graced passed me with such knowledge. :rolleyes:

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

It does - from section 133C(3) of the Migration Act, a Law passed by the Australian Parliament.

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/au/leg...118/s133c.html

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It is his choice but this is a foreign country and they are making choices too. The position of most country's medical authorities is that the vaccine does reduce - not eliminate but reduce - the spread.

You may disagree with that, Novak may disagree with that, but the Australian Government is listening to their medical authorities.

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I am going to disagree with it because, I've seen more people triple vaccinated pass on the virus these last few weeks.

The virus does not reduce the chances of getting it in any way, it only stops people getting ill, that is it's function, I am sick of saying this and I work on the front line and see it with my own eyes!

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And what about an order from the court being overturned by a minister, is this their law?

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Yes

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Yeah and we don't have to go over that debate again.

But for the purposes of this discussion, Australia is going with what is currently the mainstream consensus and they're the ones who set the rules for that country. If Novak wants to go to Australia his best bet was to get the vaccine.

He doesn't have to get it but now he cannot get into Australia. That is the consequence of the choice he made.

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Then I rest my case. Australia is a Banana Republic.

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You'll probably disagree, but what does that make the UK when the Home Secretary can impose a whole-life tariff OR overrule a full-life tariff and sanction early release. Don't both scenarios make a bit of a mockery of our court system (and by your definition make us a Banana Republic)?

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We’ve still got the Queen and don’t have sufficient trade in bananas for that.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

The UK could be named as a Boomerang Republic . . . .



. . . they throw rules about that return to hit them :D

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Ah ... good, they decided to kick him out after all.

Yeah, I dont think they quite fit the bill.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Not quite, Paul. He has another court hearing to go. They may still kick him out, all for a damn vaccine. I have no view for the man himself, I just don’t agree with mandated vaccines to be able to do something, especially with a vaccine that doesn’t stop you getting Covid-19, or stop it being passed on.

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Never agreed with it. But it’s rarely ever done any way.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

So he does, I missed that.
Seems like the whole argument about one person having the power is a little off, since it can go back to court. What happens if the appeal wins ?

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

We all tune in for drama of his first match on court.

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Storm troopers on court 1 and a quick firing squad the way this vendetta is playing out.

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So if we're clear - judges stopping people being deported from the UK is bad while judges stopping people (eastern European economic migrants of all people) is good?

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

This is about an Australian politician having a pissing contest ,it's bloody childish.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Not pertinent to this discussion. Stop going off-topic.

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I have. I nearly got barred from France for not having a smallpox vaccine. I had to get a letter from the GP to say I was exempt.

But some would say that was just France punishing us for joining the EEC ;)

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Pesky French. :D

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No, poxy Londoners.

https://api.parliament.uk/historic-h...pr/12/smallpox

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https://youtu.be/YRxyGJGi6OE

On going appeal

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

And he is has lost the appeal.

Probably won’t end here…..

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

The appeal fails. Unanimous decision of the Court.

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Even the European Charter of Human Rights(BTW not the EU), classes this sort of thing as an administrative matter, with no legal or civil rights involved. Same goes for extradition and deportation matters.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Djokovic has lost the appeal so will be deported. Full reasons to be published in the coming days. Also faces a three-year ban.
https://news.sky.com/story/novak-djo...-visa-12516793

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Good

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Australia in panic mode as man with tennis racket threatens their very existence, what a pathetic bunch of numpty's.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Good job Oz. Boot him out on his arse. 3 year ban as well.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Since the Serb authorities were quite happy to join in with the “ novak has had COVID “ bolleaux why didn’t they just pretend he has been vaccinated.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

If you’re that principled an anti vaxxer you wouldn’t fake it.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Thank God it was only a single tennis player, had it been a mixed doubles team ozz would no doubt have fallen, as i understand it the new fleet of nuclear submarines will now be fitted with anti tennis player technology.

Remember if you spot a tennis player dob em in.

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Good news for the Scots is our only player is in Aus so not a high chance. Otherwise we’re all too wee, too poor etc. More chance of the High Court than a tennis one.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Jamie’s there as well…

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I've been messaging my cousin in Oz, according to her the news polls put it at 95% of Australians back his deportation, many said he should have been deported immediately and appealed from outside Australia.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Exactly. Some people in the UK seem to be having great difficulty in a former colony exercising its democratic rights.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Hope theres an investigation into his supposed positive covid test. Although the Serbian authorities were probably complicit in concocting that one.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

I'm confused.

If Djokovic was going to be deported for the "errors" on his visa application form, fair enough. But the government's reason was on health and public order grounds.

From what I've seen of the appeal overnight, the government seems to have been relying on comments he made in April 2020 as evidence that he stirs up anti-vax sentiment. If that is such a concern, why was he granted a visa in the first place? His opinions on vaccines are well documented and were known before he applied for his visa - it seems a failure of government policy that he was allowed permission to enter the country at all if they believe him to be a risk to the public.

This is purely political gesturing ahead of elections. Australian's in some states are living under some of the strictest restrictions in the world. I fully understand their anger that Djokovic was able to enter the country given the rules they are living under. But make no mistake, this farcical chain of events deflects their anger, wrongly in my opinion, away from the government removing their liberties and onto a tennis player who the government accepts poses litlle risk of transmitting Covid but has chosen not to be vaccinated.

Vaccines have had a tremendous impact on saving lives across the world - especially in the elderly and most vulnerable. But the stigmatising division being sown by governments across the world leaves me feeling very uncomfortable.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Here's hoping our government can stop any non vaccinated sportsmen entering without a vaccine.

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They can do but I don't think we've chosen to.

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Why?

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

They could start by insisting professional footballers are vaccinated. Quite a few Premiership prima donnas think they're special. Less cancelled fixtures too.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

I wonder if those people outraged on here will be the same people who'll be up in arm early April when the NHS start redeploying and/or dismissing unvaccinated staff?

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

I could say, but i'd be banned

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Try saying it nicely then.

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No need to bait him his stance on these matters is well known.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Have been invited to Boris party so free to come and go as they like :erm:

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Accordingly, lawyers for the Tyranny-led Australian government, is that they felt Novak would be an “icon of free choice”, Australia is truly an awful country.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

True, they continually thrash us at cricket. They celebrate the death of English cricket by gifting some Ashes, then claim the gift back all the time . Utter rotters. ;)

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Looks like he might not make the French open either

https://apple.news/AQDVZcyNGRxO_f2MRGqpo_w

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Long way until the Spring though so we'll see. Elections would have taken place by then as well so every politician will have a bit more breathing space.

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You're allowed here without a vaccine so long as you isolate for some days and take a test I think.

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https://i.redd.it/bg3au6ree4c81.jpg

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Roland Garros starts 15 May so plenty of time before he would need to fly to France.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Except he wasnt.

He was banned from the country, not the competition.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

indeed, he was refused entry as he may have been a danger to the population by not having COVID.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Spain & France are looking at banning him.


Wimbledon is looking at banning him, even if the government changes the rules, that would allow him to enter.


So it's likely that many other tournaments will follow suit.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

As far as I can see, all three of those are also [potential] bans from the country, not the tournament.

(A vaccine isnt really a drug either .... )

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

I think the original tweet was meant to be taken as satire rather than a statistic of historical importance.

My vacuum cleaner isn’t a hoover either. ;)

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

The jokes carry on coming.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1642604261

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

In our hourse they are all known as dysons, even the ones that are not. ;)

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Brilliant.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

i see the Scottish chap has bombed out of the competition.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/te...ve-Result.html

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Was he not British when he won Wimbledon? Just saying.

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

But then Nicoliar Sturgeon happened and it all went tribal;)

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Usual UK rules apply.

If he wins, he's British. If he loses, he's Scottish. ;)

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

And if he gets done for burglary he's a scou....... :p:

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Scoundrel, that's correct Grim ;):D

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

All his credit cards are Mastercard, as he can't get a VISA :D

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Looks like he's able to play in the French Open.
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tenn...en-tennis-news

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Hope this will get him barred entry from all tournament this year.



The tests are in strict chronological order, but the serial numbers ain't



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/59999541

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Hope Nadal wins in Australia...

Re: Novak Djokovic tries to go to Oz
 

Me too. One of the two greatest tennis players of all time (Rodger being the other).