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Julian 22-10-2021 12:32

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State pension figures for next year are outlined HERE :)

spiderplant 22-10-2021 12:40

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Leaving the European Union (EU) will reduce people’s food, wine and clothes bills by up to 20 per cent[, said Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg
He's right. You can't spend money if the shelves are empty.

papa smurf 22-10-2021 12:42

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36098456)
State pension figures for next year are outlined HERE :)

Robbing turds:td:

daveeb 22-10-2021 12:50

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36098458)
He's right. You can't spend money if the shelves are empty.


Maybe he expects people to send their Butler to Aldi now rather than Fortnum and Masons for that big saving.

papa smurf 22-10-2021 12:53

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36098460)
Maybe he expects people to send their Butler to Aldi now rather than Fortnum and Masons for that big saving.

The parking spaces at aldi aren't big enough to fit the Rolls Royce ;)

daveeb 22-10-2021 12:55

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36098461)
The parking spaces at aldi aren't big enough to fit the Rolls Royce ;)

:D True. And the Lobster Thermidor isn't up to much either.

nomadking 22-10-2021 13:08

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36098459)
Robbing turds:td:

How exactly?
If you're thinking of wages element of the triple lock, then your argument, along with other peoples, is total nonsense.
The aim was to link to wages levels, the problem has arisen that it was based upon changes rather than actual levels.

To demonstrate the nonsense with a hypothetical example, wages halve for a period of 2 months and then return to the same levels. Why in that instance, should pensions rise? Wage levels are the same, so the intention of the triple lock is there should be no change connected with wages. Why should pensions double simply because of a quirk of basing it on changes, rather than actual levels.

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Perhaps people would prefer the CPI of 4.1% of Germany?

Hugh 22-10-2021 13:17

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36098456)
State pension figures for next year are outlined HERE :)

the article states

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How much state pension will I get if I qualified on or after 6 April 2016?

If you reach state pension age on or after 6 April 2016, the starting point for calculating what you get is the ‘full level’ of the new state pension of £179.60 in 2021-22, or £185.15 in 2022-23. But the name is confusing, because you may get more or less than this. If you have made full National Insurance payments, building up additional state pension, you’re likely to get more. If you ‘contracted out’ and paid reduced National Insurance contributions for several years, you’re likely to get less. You’ll get whichever is higher - the amount you would have got on the last day of the old system, or the amount you would get had the new system been in place over the whole of your working life. Government estimates show that only around half of those retiring over the next year will qualify for the full state pension.

Read more: https://www.which.co.uk/money/pensio...t-aukgp6n9jkcz - Which?
When I checked my forecast (pension starts on 14/11/1956), it states

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...4&d=1634904860

But I do have 47 years of full contributions.

tweetiepooh 22-10-2021 13:36

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Things I hate about current trading
1)Selling short - this is just evil, betting on company failing and making money on someone's misery. I'd like to see this banned.
2)Futures - setting prices in advance. You should pay based on costs and yield. If it's a bad year but predicted good farmers get a pittance, and I bet sellers then hike prices as it's a bad year. Of course if it's a good year but predicted bad then farmers can make a profit and the sellers hold their high prices, based on expected, anyway and make more profit.

OLD BOY 22-10-2021 17:59

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36098468)
Things I hate about current trading
1)Selling short - this is just evil, betting on company failing and making money on someone's misery. I'd like to see this banned.
2)Futures - setting prices in advance. You should pay based on costs and yield. If it's a bad year but predicted good farmers get a pittance, and I bet sellers then hike prices as it's a bad year. Of course if it's a good year but predicted bad then farmers can make a profit and the sellers hold their high prices, based on expected, anyway and make more profit.

It’s all part and parcel of capitalism. It’s how it works.

It is also necessary. For example, although selling short seems heartless, who else will actually buy a failing company? Ban the practice and everything is lost.

Mad Max 22-10-2021 18:12

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36098458)
He's right. You can't spend money if the shelves are empty.

The thing is, they're not empty.

Mr K 22-10-2021 18:29

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36098472)
The thing is, they're not empty.

If you use cardboard fruit and veg pictures to disguise empty shelves they're not empty ....
https://www.theguardian.com/business...droidApp_Other
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Supermarkets are using cardboard cutouts of fruit, vegetables and other groceries to fill gaps on shelves because supply problems combined with a shift towards smaller product ranges mean many stores are now too big.

Tesco has begun using pictures of asparagus, carrots, oranges and grapes in its fresh produce aisles, prompting ridicule on social media.

Hugh 22-10-2021 19:03

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36098471)
It’s all part and parcel of capitalism. It’s how it works.

It is also necessary. For example, although selling short seems heartless, who else will actually buy a failing company? Ban the practice and everything is lost.

That’s not what shorting is…

https://www.fool.com/investing/how-t...stock-meaning/
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Shorting a stock means opening a position by borrowing shares that you don't own and then selling them to another investor. Shorting, or selling short, is a bearish stock position -- in other words, you might short a stock if you feel strongly that its share price was going to decline.

Short-selling allows investors to profit from stocks or other securities when they go down in value. In order to sell short, an investor has to borrow the stock or security through their brokerage company from someone who owns it. The investor then sells the stock, retaining the cash proceeds. The short-seller hopes that the price will fall over time, providing an opportunity to buy back the stock at a lower price than the original sale price. Any money left over after buying back the stock is profit to the short-seller.
Shorting is speculation…

OLD BOY 24-10-2021 13:40

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36098475)
That’s not what shorting is…

https://www.fool.com/investing/how-t...stock-meaning/

Shorting is speculation…

True, and I know that. However, it is a cog in the wheel of capitalism.

I apologise if my use of the word ‘failing’ gave the wrong impression. I was using a bit of a broad brush with that comment.

jfman 27-10-2021 01:18

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36098634)
True, and I know that. However, it is a cog in the wheel of capitalism.

I apologise if my use of the word ‘failing’ gave the wrong impression. I was using a bit of a broad brush with that comment.

Far from this benign action that you portray it is done specifically to extract money out of the situation - rather than allowing the market (those genuinely interested in shares) to enter or exit the market and costs those parties money in the process.

If anyone wants to find out capitalism as we know it is a great ponzi scheme I recommend Googling (or your preferred search engine) "the day Volkswagen conquered the world" and reading the associated article. In short - pun intended - by massively distorting the markets Porsche bought Volkswagen and got venture capitalists to fund it when many expected the reverse transaction to happen.

A Sunday is an amazing day to announce that between the stocks you own, have options on and those owned by the state of Saxony account for 94.2% of the shares in a company when it was estimated that as much as 20% of VW shares were shorted.

Panic, panic, panic. A great laugh to read back about everyone who lost money in the process.

tweetiepooh 27-10-2021 09:45

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I have worked at companies whose shares were falling and the comments on boards like "I've shorted this one, with any luck it's fold completely and I'll make a killing" without regard to the employees who could lose their jobs and "real" investors who could lose real money.
Yes the stock market is a gamble but investing in a good idea to support it and then reap a reward when it does well if fine, you could lose but it is overall a positive, creating wealth.
Shorting is hoping something fails and just withdraws wealth. Of course the only winners whatever are the stockbrokers who take percentages of the trade so win whatever happens.

Sephiroth 27-10-2021 10:11

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36098931)
I have worked at companies whose shares were falling and the comments on boards like "I've shorted this one, with any luck it's fold completely and I'll make a killing" without regard to the employees who could lose their jobs and "real" investors who could lose real money.
Yes the stock market is a gamble but investing in a good idea to support it and then reap a reward when it does well if fine, you could lose but it is overall a positive, creating wealth.
Shorting is hoping something fails and just withdraws wealth. Of course the only winners whatever are the stockbrokers who take percentages of the trade so win whatever happens.

Perfectly put.

OLD BOY 28-10-2021 08:28

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Shorting is all about ensuring that capitalism works as it should. It's not about employees, they are simply amongst those who lose out.

This link may be of interest, but there are plenty of other links out there too.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/05/expe...r-markets.html

Hugh 28-10-2021 09:58

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Shorting is all about ensuring that capitalism works as it should
So did slavery, but it didn’t make it right.

Unbridled Capitalism is wrong, because, as you put it
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It's not about employees, they are simply amongst those who lose out.

ianch99 28-10-2021 10:11

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This is an interesting read on Short Selling: https://www.investopedia.com/article...elling-ban.asp

Carth 28-10-2021 10:39

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Market Manipulation . . nothing new, in fact Bitcoin thrives on it :D

jfman 28-10-2021 10:48

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099010)
Shorting is all about ensuring that capitalism works as it should. It's not about employees, they are simply amongst those who lose out.

This link may be of interest, but there are plenty of other links out there too.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/05/expe...r-markets.html

The link is of no particular interest to be fair.

Any time I hear something “can be beneficial” the cynical part of me assumes for the majority of the time it probably isn’t. Asking someone who has likely benefitted financially from short selling their opinion on the matter isn’t likely to evoke an impartial response.

Carth 28-10-2021 12:56

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36099022)
The link is of no particular interest to be fair.

Any time I hear something “can be beneficial” the cynical part of me assumes for the majority of the time it probably isn’t. Asking someone who has likely benefitted financially from short selling their opinion on the matter isn’t likely to evoke an impartial response.

:Yes: :clap:

Same as you never hear a car salesperson tell you "I had one of these once, right bag of crap, couldn't wait to get rid of it"

:D

papa smurf 28-10-2021 13:36

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099038)
:Yes: :clap:

Same as you never hear a car salesperson tell you "I had one of these once, right bag of crap, couldn't wait to get rid of it"

:D

Not everyone buys a ford:erm:

Paul 28-10-2021 20:06

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How about we get back to the topic.

Taf 28-10-2021 20:35

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I visited a local indoor market yesterday for the first time in almost a year. Meat prices were extortionate, some almost double what the supermarkets charge. One of the butchers told me that sales are "flatter than Twiggy" since they were all bought out by a sole vendor. "Mark-ups were always high, but now they are stupid, no-one wants to buy any of it".

Hom3r 29-10-2021 10:37

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36098468)
Things I hate about current trading
1)Selling short - this is just evil, betting on company failing and making money on someone's misery. I'd like to see this banned.
2)Futures - setting prices in advance. You should pay based on costs and yield. If it's a bad year but predicted good farmers get a pittance, and I bet sellers then hike prices as it's a bad year. Of course if it's a good year but predicted bad then farmers can make a profit and the sellers hold their high prices, based on expected, anyway and make more profit.


Back in the early days of Apple one of the founders sold his shares in Apple for $800.


Today those shares are worth over $20,000,000,000.

Jimmy-J 29-10-2021 13:04

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Our local taxi fares have gone up, and I've been told that they've started to charge when they're stuck in traffic.

Jaymoss 29-10-2021 13:07

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36099202)
Our local taxi fares have gone up, and I've been told that they've started to charge when they're stuck in traffic.

I thought they always did ?

Jimmy-J 29-10-2021 13:16

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Not as far as I know, the trip meter works using satellite positioning I think? So when the taxi is stationary, there's usually no charge.

OLD BOY 29-10-2021 13:29

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36099207)
Not as far as I know, the trip meter works using satellite positioning I think? So when the taxi is stationary, there's usually no charge.

A charge seems reasonable. I don’t expect taxi drivers to work for no income. Whether you are moving or stuck in traffic, the taxi driver is still at the wheel and needs to feed his family.

If the traffic is bad and you don’t want to pay extra, there’s always the bus…

Taf 29-10-2021 13:36

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Here in Cardiff, the basic fee is £4.00, the kilometer price is £1.06. For standing and waiting time, £15.00 is charged per hour.

So yes, you pay whilst stuck in traffic.

With 20mph speed limits being imposed all over the place, journey times have become longer, so fares will rise.

Jaymoss 29-10-2021 13:37

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Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 36099207)
Not as far as I know, the trip meter works using satellite positioning I think? So when the taxi is stationary, there's usually no charge.

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/taxi-fares

http://everything4taxis.co.uk/tariff1.htm

https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/art...rs-and-charges

these all have charges for waiting time. As i said I was always under the impression there were in traffic charges as the same journey on the meter costs often varied when there was traffic to be stuck in

Hom3r 29-10-2021 13:38

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099211)
A charge seems reasonable. I don’t expect taxi drivers to work for no income. Whether you are moving or stuck in traffic, the taxi driver is still at the wheel and needs to feed his family.

If the traffic is bad and you don’t want to pay extra, there’s always the bus…


You've obviously never had to rely on a bus service

Jimmy-J 29-10-2021 13:54

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099211)
A charge seems reasonable. I don’t expect taxi drivers to work for no income. Whether you are moving or stuck in traffic, the taxi driver is still at the wheel and needs to feed his family.

If the traffic is bad and you don’t want to pay extra, there’s always the bus…

We have to use a taxi once a week, the rest of the time I use my free bus pass. So I definitely wouldn't order a taxi if we didn't need one.

Paul 29-10-2021 15:12

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36099212)
With 20mph speed limits being imposed all over the place, journey times have become longer, so fares will rise.

Nottingham [city] has those everywhere except main roads.

They are just pointless, and never enforced (just not practical).
I've yet to see anyone actually stick to them, including taxis and buses.
Oh, and if you live in one, they have increased your vehicle pollution by 50%.

OLD BOY 29-10-2021 17:40

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36099226)
Nottingham [city] has those everywhere except main roads.

They are just pointless, and never enforced (just not practical).
I've yet to see anyone actually stick to them, including taxis and buses.
Oh, and if you live in one, they have increased your vehicle pollution by 50%.

Exactly. Try driving at that speed in one of those areas and see how long before the driver behind starts flashing his headlights and overtakes you. Such a low speed limit is positively dangerous, in my opinion.

I think these 20mph limits should be used only in a small number of specific cases or as a temporary limit during school opening/closing times.

I hear people say that too many people disregard the 30mph limits and argue that they should therefore be reduced to 20. They really don’t see that if they are not obeying the 30 limit, there’s even less chance they’ll obey a 20 sign!

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36099214)
You've obviously never had to rely on a bus service

I use buses a lot. There are bus lanes as well, which help on busy routes.

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36099128)
I visited a local indoor market yesterday for the first time in almost a year. Meat prices were extortionate, some almost double what the supermarkets charge. One of the butchers told me that sales are "flatter than Twiggy" since they were all bought out by a sole vendor. "Mark-ups were always high, but now they are stupid, no-one wants to buy any of it".

Well, who would buy from a market if they are charging more than the supermarkets?

At least you know the supermarket stuff is unlikely to give you food poisoning.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36098127)
There's a run on baked beans.

Please don’t say that. Don’t even think it. :shocked:

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36098181)
Inflation actually dropped today, as the recent rise was not demand led, it was supply led. Inflation looks like it may yoyo around for several months whilst the global supply chain evens itself out.

There’s a lot more to come, though. Wait until those wage increases come through! The more people earn, the more they will spend, the more demand goes up, the more prices go up.

It’ll take a lot of management to keep prices down over the next year or so. I don’t expect to see much in the way of productivity gains in the short term.

Jimmy-J 29-10-2021 17:49

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Apparently, the local taxi firm has been charging for when they are held up in traffic for some years, but only at peak times, but this has been changed since the 18th of this month to 24/7.

Sephiroth 29-10-2021 17:53

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099244)
<SNIP>

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
There's a run on baked beans.
Please don’t say that. Don’t even think it. :shocked:

OB, please don't admit that you eat baked beans!

Carth 29-10-2021 17:55

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099244)
Well, who would buy from a market if they are charging more than the supermarkets?

At least you know the supermarket stuff is unlikely to give you food poisoning

Crikey, most product recalls are by supermarkets :D

OLD BOY 29-10-2021 20:03

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36099253)
OB, please don't admit that you eat baked beans!

I love them with Welsh Rarebit!

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36099254)
Crikey, most product recalls are by supermarkets :D

Problem is, the fact that there are no recalls from market sellers does not mean their products are safe. I mean, you just wouldn’t know!
:sick:

Carth 29-10-2021 20:11

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099277)
I love them with Welsh Rarebit!

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Problem is, the fact that there are no recalls from market sellers does not mean their products are safe. I mean, you just wouldn’t know!
:sick:

Having worked in food production for over 20 years, mainly producing for supermarkets, I know which one I'd trust :D

Taf 29-10-2021 20:26

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36099226)
Nottingham [city] has those everywhere except main roads.

Cardiff is the "experiment". If all goes well (all bad points will be swept under the carpet) the WHOLE of Wales will have a 20mph limit imposed in all urban areas.

And big chunks of motorways and "A" roads will have 50mph limits imposed too.

The M4 past the huge Port Talbot steelworks already has a 50mph limit to "reduce pollution".

Sephiroth 29-10-2021 20:57

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36099284)
Cardiff is the "experiment". If all goes well (all bad points will be swept under the carpet) the WHOLE of Wales will have a 20mph limit imposed in all urban areas.

And big chunks of motorways and "A" roads will have 50mph limits imposed too.

The M4 past the huge Port Talbot steelworks already has a 50mph limit to "reduce pollution".

Useful study at link: https://assets.highwaysengland.co.uk...7092019_v2.pdf

Mad Max 29-10-2021 21:18

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36099284)
Cardiff is the "experiment". If all goes well (all bad points will be swept under the carpet) the WHOLE of Wales will have a 20mph limit imposed in all urban areas.

And big chunks of motorways and "A" roads will have 50mph limits imposed too.

The M4 past the huge Port Talbot steelworks already has a 50mph limit to "reduce pollution".

I'm wondering how that reduces pollution, surely if people are on the road longer they're creating more pollution.

Taf 30-10-2021 10:51

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36099290)
I'm wondering how that reduces pollution, surely if people are on the road longer they're creating more pollution.

The whole thing is because of intense lobbying by a group saying "Twenty is Plenty", I first heard of them in a local village, where older people had complained about not having enough time to cross a road. They spread like a cancer throughout social media.

Many people have asked about pollution problems and journey times, but no answers have been forthcoming AFAIK.

https://www.20splenty.org/

It's already cost a fortune for street furniture (signposts, etc) and the attitude seems to be "We've spent this much, we might as well carry on".

Chris 30-10-2021 11:19

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36099290)
I'm wondering how that reduces pollution, surely if people are on the road longer they're creating more pollution.

That would only be the case if the vehicle’s fuel efficiency was the same at 50mph as at 70mph. But that’s not how it works.

If you have a turbo-diesel, for example, the turbo charger will kick in around 2,000rpm. Depending on exactly how the engine and gearbox is set up, at 50mph in top gear (6th, in my Berlingo automatic) the engine is revving around 1850rpm and the turbo isn’t operating. At 70mph the revs are in the region of 2,200rpm and the turbo is operating. At the lower speed the car will do about 60mpg, whereas at the higher it’s around 45mpg.

On that basis, a 60 mile journey at a steady 50mph will burn one gallon, or around 4.5 litres, of diesel. A 60 mile journey at 70mph will require about another third of a gallon on top of that - roughly 1.5 extra litres of diesel.

A car that gets from A to B using 4.5 litres of fuel is clearly causing less pollution than one that uses 6 litres for the same journey, regardless of how long that journey takes.

Carth 30-10-2021 11:48

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Maybe we should just make car manufacturers limit the top speed of their vehicles to 50mph . . emergency vehicles an exception of course.

papa smurf 30-10-2021 12:09

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I live in a 20mph zone -cars roar past at high speed all day and night, I think it just annoys people that the council is trying to slow them down, there are no schools near my house but it's for the safety of school kids:shrug:

spiderplant 30-10-2021 12:24

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36099306)
If you have a turbo-diesel, for example, the turbo charger will kick in around 2,000rpm. Depending on exactly how the engine and gearbox is set up, at 50mph in top gear (6th, in my Berlingo automatic) the engine is revving around 1850rpm and the turbo isn’t operating. At 70mph the revs are in the region of 2,200rpm and the turbo is operating. At the lower speed the car will do about 60mpg, whereas at the higher it’s around 45mpg.

Plus the air resistance is proportional to the square of the velocity. So the drag at 70mph is roughly double that at 50mph.

In any car with a fuel consumption gauge it's easy to see the difference for yourself. Drive at 50 on the motorway and watch the mpg go up.

Chris 30-10-2021 12:29

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36099311)
Plus the air resistance is proportional to the square of the velocity. So the drag at 70mph is roughly double that at 50mph.

In any car with a fuel consumption gauge it's easy to see the difference for yourself. Drive at 50 on the motorway and watch the mpg go up.

I knew there’d be some science around the reducing efficiency aside from the manufacturer’s choice to make the turbo work in a certain way … thank you for filling in :D

TheDaddy 30-10-2021 13:05

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36099311)
Plus the air resistance is proportional to the square of the velocity. So the drag at 70mph is roughly double that at 50mph.

In any car with a fuel consumption gauge it's easy to see the difference for yourself. Drive at 50 on the motorway and watch the mpg go up.

Iirc 57 mph is the most fuel efficient speed

Chris 30-10-2021 13:11

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36099318)
Iirc 57 mph is the most fuel efficient speed

I’m guessing that’s why Citroen design their diesel turbo to cut in at 2,000 rpm. In 6th gear that’s around 55mph. So they seem to be aiming not to compromise the most efficient speed by only adding the turbo after it’s passed.

Taf 30-10-2021 13:12

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36099310)
I live in a 20mph zone -cars roar past at high speed all day and night, I think it just annoys people that the council is trying to slow them down, there are no schools near my house but it's for the safety of school kids:shrug:

The first areas to go 20mph here were streets full of immigrants and ethnic businesses where they treat the roads as they did back in their original countries, walk where you like, drive where you like, park where you like. :(

Hugh 30-10-2021 13:49

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Around here (in Leeds) it was mostly residential minor roads, and the justification was the research that showed if there was a car/child interface scenario, at 20MPH the child had a 80% chance of survival, and at 30MPH it was reduced to 20%.

TheDaddy 30-10-2021 14:09

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36099324)
Around here (in Leeds) it was mostly residential minor roads, and the justification was the research that showed if there was a car/child interface scenario, at 20MPH the child had a 80% chance of survival, and at 30MPH it was reduced to 20%.

Why are they 24hr limits? many children out wandering at 3am, imo they're using public safety as yet another stick to beat motorists with, there is most definitely laudable reasons to have them but of bus lanes can cope without being 24 hrs then so can side roads speed limits.

OLD BOY 30-10-2021 15:11

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The chumps who keep restricting the speed you can travel at won't be happy until it’s 5mph with a bloke in front waving a red flag.

Taf 30-10-2021 16:26

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Another thing that has appeared here are "School Zones" that are closed to all traffic when the kids will be around. Cameras monitor for fines to be issued.

They are still active during school holidays "to avoid confusion".

Hugh 30-10-2021 17:11

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099338)
The chumps who keep restricting the speed you can travel at won't be happy until it’s 5mph with a bloke in front waving a red flag.

http://www.theballhog.net/wp-content...aptainhype.jpg

Mad Max 30-10-2021 17:36

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Captain Hugh...:D

spiderplant 30-10-2021 20:18

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099244)
I hear people say that too many people disregard the 30mph limits and argue that they should therefore be reduced to 20. They really don’t see that if they are not obeying the 30 limit, there’s even less chance they’ll obey a 20 sign!

People drive at 40 in a 30 zone, and 30 in a 20 zone. That's why 20 zones work.

Paul 30-10-2021 22:04

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People drive at 40 in a 20 zone as well.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099338)
The chumps who keep restricting the speed you can travel at won't be happy until it’s 5mph with a bloke in front waving a red flag.

Pretty sure Nottingham would prefer you not to drive at all.
The city council is full of anti car muppets, and has been for a long while.

Their latest brilliant plan is to close the main road that links east Nottingham to West Nottingham, making it much harder to get from one side of the City to the other.

It used to be a good place to drive to, park, and then shop, but these days Id tell anyone to stay away from the City, carry on up the motorway to Meadowhall, or even {cough} Derby.

I rarely travel into Nottingham now, mainly just to get to the Showcase.

OLD BOY 31-10-2021 01:35

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36099384)
People drive at 40 in a 30 zone, and 30 in a 20 zone. That's why 20 zones work.

Do you really think that, SP?

spiderplant 31-10-2021 11:00

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36099427)
Do you really think that, SP?

Obviously I was simplifying, but yes, they do work. Plenty of data online if you are interested.

Besides, round here the 20mph zones are heavily policed. Exceed them at your peril.

Carth 31-10-2021 11:10

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I can understand the 20mph in the area of schools, but anywhere else seems silly to me.

Furthermore, the Govt. should issue new guidance for pupils leaving school:

Look Right, Look Left, Look Right again.
If you don't see the family 4x4 double parked within 4 meters of the school gate, please wait patiently until it arrives.

;)

Maggy 31-10-2021 13:01

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I'd say we are a tad off topic folks. Let's get back to the rising cost of living please.

Julian 28-07-2022 13:22

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Nestle announce further price rises.

A quick scan of their product range HERE reveals most of their products are non-essential.

Easy to dump their brands. :)

Paul 28-07-2022 13:43

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Damn, my Smarties are going to cost more. :(

Chris 28-07-2022 18:26

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36129707)
Nestle announce further price rises.

A quick scan of their product range HERE reveals most of their products are non-essential.

Easy to dump their brands. :)

Anyone who has been a university student since the mid 1990s is likely to have been encouraged by their friendly neighbourhood Students Union to ditch Nestle anyway. Their business practices, especially in the developing world, are … disappointing.

Hugh 28-07-2022 18:45

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<waits for nomadking to post defending Nestle…>

Damien 28-07-2022 18:45

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The baby formula story is proper villainous behaviour, you would think it a plot from a film.

TheDaddy 28-07-2022 19:54

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36129723)
The baby formula story is proper villainous behaviour, you would think it a plot from a film.

What's that then?

Hugh 28-07-2022 20:19

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36129724)
What's that then?

https://www.businessinsider.com/nest...12-6?r=US&IR=T

Paul 28-07-2022 22:50

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36129720)
Anyone who has been a university student since the mid 1990s is likely to have been encouraged by their friendly neighbourhood Students Union to ditch Nestle anyway.

Isnt that normal for students ? there is always something to boycott. :erm:

Personally I like Kit-Kats and Smarties, and wont be ditching them (nor would I have in the 1990's).

Pierre 29-07-2022 03:40

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129732)
Isnt that normal for students ? there is always something to boycott. :erm:

Personally I like Kit-Kats and Smarties, and wont be ditching them (nor would I have in the 1990's).

The chunky kit-kat is one of the finest additions to civilisation that any society has introduced.

Mr K 29-07-2022 07:19

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129732)
Isnt that normal for students ? there is always something to boycott. :erm:

Personally I like Kit-Kats and Smarties, and wont be ditching them (nor would I have in the 1990's).

Both products of course the creation of Rowntrees, a philanthropic British Quaker company. They were the victim of a hostile takeover by Swiss Nestle in the 1980s.
Chunky Kit Kats have steadily got smaller and more expensive ....

nomadking 29-07-2022 09:23

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Details on the £400 Energy Bill Support Scheme.
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The money, part of the Energy Bill Support Scheme, will be paid in six instalments.
Households will see a discount of £66 applied to their energy bills in October and November, and £67 a month from December to March 2023.

Mr K 29-07-2022 09:36

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36129753)

Every bit helps, but prices are going to go up by at least 65% in Oct ! People haven't a clue what's going to hit them.

Jaymoss 29-07-2022 10:24

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129754)
Every bit helps, but prices are going to go up by at least 65% in Oct ! People haven't a clue what's going to hit them.

Martin Lewis says 77% now

richard-john56 29-07-2022 20:04

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Who ever the new PM will be it could be very short lived for them... will the common person accept what is going to happen to their energy bills and living standards or could there be protests just like that lovely Thatcher Pole Tax disaster.

Jaymoss 29-07-2022 20:13

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Originally Posted by richard-john56 (Post 36129826)
Who ever the new PM will be it could be very short lived for them... will the common person accept what is going to happen to their energy bills and living standards or could there be protests just like that lovely Thatcher Pole Tax disaster.

I do not think the public has the stomach for it. There will no doubt be protests but nothing like the Poll Tax riots imo. Remember we have a whole generation of snowflakes now whose idea of protest is posting on tiktok about how they had to go lie in a dark room

Hugh 29-07-2022 20:18

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Wow!

Any other denigrating stereotypes you’d like to share?

Jaymoss 29-07-2022 20:22

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36129828)
Wow!

Any other denigrating stereotypes you’d like to share?

Not that I can think of off the top of my head but if I do I will let you know

GrimUpNorth 29-07-2022 20:29

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Originally Posted by Jaymoss (Post 36129827)
I do not think the public has the stomach for it. There will no doubt be protests but nothing like the Poll Tax riots imo. Remember we have a whole generation of snowflakes now whose idea of protest is posting on tiktok about how they had to go lie in a dark room

One thing is certain, we've got potentially interesting times ahead. We've just been offered a flat rate pay rise of £1925, which is 10.5% for the lowest paid but I've been in meetings where even those who will be getting the largest percentage have accepted any extra money they'd get being more than swallowed by increasing prices early next year, so already don't think of it as a pay rise.

Add to this how insulted NHS staff will feel with the offer of a £1400 pay rise and who knows what could happen. If the nurses are considering industrial action what does that say?

nomadking 29-07-2022 21:19

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Constantly puzzled by what people think that Labour would've done differently. They would give in to their Union paymasters, and as a result increase inflation even more.

daveeb 29-07-2022 21:35

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36129844)
Constantly puzzled by what people think that Labour would've done differently. They would give in to their Union paymasters, and as a result increase inflation even more.


Perhaps they would take a leaf from Spain or Frances books and curb excess corporate profits. This is the real cause of inflation not the average working person looking for enough money to break even as the government and tabloids would have us believe.

GrimUpNorth 29-07-2022 21:40

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36129844)
Constantly puzzled by what people think that Labour would've done differently. They would give in to their Union paymasters, and as a result increase inflation even more.

Not making a profit from a profit from a public service?

1andrew1 29-07-2022 21:43

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36129844)
Constantly puzzled by what people think that Labour would've done differently. They would give in to their Union paymasters, and as a result increase inflation even more.

A more competent government would have:
1) Got our generating capacity sorted so we were not at the whim so much of global energy markets.
2) Implemented a windfall tax to reduce bills.
3) Not been so nimbyish of onshore wind power, cheaper than having wind turbines in the sea.
4) Regulated energy distribution more strongly so the companies have to charge less.

nomadking 29-07-2022 22:09

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36129847)
Perhaps they would take a leaf from Spain or Frances books and curb excess corporate profits. This is the real cause of inflation not the average working person looking for enough money to break even as the government and tabloids would have us believe.

Spain has inflation of 10%, so that didn't work. High inflation is a WIDESPREAD problem at the moment, eg EU average of 9.6%, so are all businesses in all those countries making massive profits?:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36129849)
A more competent government would have:
1) Got our generating capacity sorted so we were not at the whim so much of global energy markets.
2) Implemented a windfall tax to reduce bills.
3) Not been so nimbyish of onshore wind power, cheaper than having wind turbines in the sea.
4) Regulated energy distribution more strongly so the companies have to charge less.

And where would the energy magically come from instead? How did relying on wind power work out for Germany? Instead they had to rely on Russian gas, creating a shortage and increases in prices. The energy distribution companies are not making massive profits, but the regulations say they should be sustainable as they cannot fail.
How much of any inflation is down to energy costs?
How many other countries have somehow managed to avoid high inflation? Malta is lucky at the moment, as they have a long term fixed price agreement for their gas. When that agreement ends, inflation will shoot up, just as in the UK when fixed price deals come to an end, they complain about the larger increases that follow.

Paul 29-07-2022 23:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard-john56 (Post 36129826)
could there be protests just like that lovely Thatcher Pole Tax disaster.

That was an unpopular government policy, I dont think inflation is actually a policy. :)

Mr K 30-07-2022 10:11

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36129857)
That was an unpopular government policy, I dont think inflation is actually a policy. :)

The tax cuts the 2 potential PMs are trying to bribe their electorate will fuel inflation.

Grab No 10 first, worry about inflation later. Can always blame something/anything else.

As a last resort say the other side would be worse. I can see a lot of posters/politicians have already used the last resort! It isn't the most positive statement and voters may be wondering how it could be worse.

nomadking 30-07-2022 10:36

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The problem is you really need to limit inflation before it occurs. Otherwise inflationary wage rises follow.
Tax cuts to individuals may make them feel better, but they will still see the inflation rate when it comes to wage demands.
Tax cuts to businesses may have some effect, but not much. Non-UK businesses that supply to the UK, wouldn't be affected at all. Any tax is based upon profits, not on the costs they incur, which is what fuels inflation.
Whatever tax cuts are introduced, will need to be reversed at some point to fund the increased spending and borrowing.

It may not be popular, but the only solution might be limiting wage demands, until the current price increases work their way out of the inflation figures(after a year). Hopefully no new increases occur in that time.
The Unions were initially ok with that in the late 1970s, with a voluntary incomes policy. It worked until, the Unions insisted on playing "catch up". Eg Engineering Unions insisting on restoring the "differential", ie the wage difference between them and lower grades.

OLD BOY 30-07-2022 19:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36129849)
A more competent government would have:
1) Got our generating capacity sorted so we were not at the whim so much of global energy markets.
2) Implemented a windfall tax to reduce bills.
3) Not been so nimbyish of onshore wind power, cheaper than having wind turbines in the sea.
4) Regulated energy distribution more strongly so the companies have to charge less.

So says the forum’s very own Mr Hindsight, who of course would now say that he forecast the Russian invasion of Ukraine at least a decade ago.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36129878)
The tax cuts the 2 potential PMs are trying to bribe their electorate will fuel inflation.

Grab No 10 first, worry about inflation later. Can always blame something/anything else.

As a last resort say the other side would be worse. I can see a lot of posters/politicians have already used the last resort! It isn't the most positive statement and voters may be wondering how it could be worse.

So government handouts wouldn’t?

1andrew1 31-07-2022 00:14

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36129900)
So says the forum’s very own Mr Hindsight, who of course would now say that he forecast the Russian invasion of Ukraine at least a decade ago.

All the points I raised have been flagged by commentators in the last few years.

Geopolitical issues are not a new thing so not being beholden to global energy prices is prudent risk management. Perhaps working in the public sector shielded you from this approach?

nomadking 31-07-2022 00:44

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36129914)
All the points I raised have been flagged by commentators in the last few years.

Geopolitical issues are not a new thing so not being beholden to global energy prices is prudent risk management. Perhaps working in the public sector shielded you from this approach?

So which other countries did any of that?
1) Where would the energy come from? Fracking?
2) What has any windfall tax got to do with energy generation or supply?
3) Germany looked to rely on wind power, and look how that turned out. Still need gas for heating.
4) The distribution companies aren't making much, if anything, in the way of profits, so how could they reduce their prices? The standing charge also funds when other energy supply companies fail, because they aren't making profits.

Hugh 31-07-2022 01:01

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Gish-galloping at it’s finest…

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....a-ebd462f4142b March 2022

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Gas and electricity networks top UK profit margin rankings

Soaring energy bills and power blackouts raise calls for greater scrutiny of regional monopolies

UK gas and electricity distribution companies have higher profit margins than any other sector, prompting calls for intervention at a time of soaring energy bills and frequent electricity blackouts in parts of the country.

The regional infrastructure monopolies whose pylons and cables carry electricity from power stations to end users are achieving operating margins of 42.5 per cent, according to analysis by industry research provider IbisWorld, while gas distributors are earning 40.5 per cent.

The margins, which come before tax and financing costs are deducted, outstrip those in more than 400 other sectors including private equity at 32.5 per cent and commercial real estate at 33.4 per cent, according to IbisWorld.

High operating margins enabled the regional electricity networks to pay out £3.6bn in dividends to their owners between 2017 and 2021, with gas distribution networks distributing £2.4bn to theirs over the same period,
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Ofgem said in its state of the market report in 2019 that “the overall costs of the transmission and distribution networks to consumers . . . have turned out to be higher than they needed to be” and that “the majority of network companies are achieving profit margins towards the higher end of our expectations”.

nomadking 31-07-2022 01:17

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36129918)
Gish-galloping at it’s finest…

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www....a-ebd462f4142b March 2022

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“The UK’s distribution networks are set to invest and spend more than £33bn over the next five years. This expenditure and investment — alongside the 36,000 people employed by the sector — secures safe, sustainable, reliable networks to deliver the energy that communities need now and in the future.”
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It argues that UK households are paying the price for these payouts to owners — which include private equity, infrastructure funds and individuals such as Hong Kong’s billionaire Li family, which is weighing a £15bn sale of UK Power Networks, the country’s largest electricity network provider.
Are owners meant to splash out billions and never, ever see a return, unless they sell? It's a bit like if you got a business loan to buy a business. The loan needs paying back. So not real profits that they can spend or be taxed on.

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The profit for the six months ended 30 September 2021 was £140.7m(2020:nil). In the current period,the Company received dividend income of £140.0m from Western Power Distribution Plc, the Company's direct wholly-owned subsidiary.
Still doesn't change the fact that the bulk of the increase in the standing charge has nothing to do with the distribution companies.
Link
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Standing charges cover a range of costs faced by suppliers. Rory Stoves, from comparison website Energyhelpline, says for electricity these include network costs – running and maintaining the system, the supplier of last resort scheme, and things such as the warm home discount.
Stoves says network costs “inevitably go up, especially when inflation is high, as there are rising costs for wages, materials and so on”.
But a far bigger part of the increase is from the “supplier of last resort” scheme – every household is expected to pay the billions that have gone into rescuing customers from failed companies.
I should imagine that installation of Smart meters is in those costs as well.
Link

Quote:

“The standing charge for gas has been increased a little, but for electricity it has been increased massively.
The regulator has done that because there are a number of fixed costs that have gone up a lot.”
Martin highlighted the fact numerous energy firms have gone bust recently, and other companies have had to be subsidised to take these consumers on.
There are also transmission costs to bear in mind, as well as an increase to what is known as a green levy.

Damien 04-08-2022 15:41

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Brutal news today.
  • 0.5% rise in interest rates. That'll be an unwelcome addition to anyone not on, or coming to the end of, a fixed term mortgage.
  • Inflation set to sit 13% by the end of the year
  • Recession predicted at the end of this year
  • Ofcom is going to review the price cap every 3 months rather than 6

Mr K 04-08-2022 20:17

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36130293)
Brutal news today.
  • 0.5% rise in interest rates. That'll be an unwelcome addition to anyone not on, or coming to the end of, a fixed term mortgage.
  • Inflation set to sit 13% by the end of the year
  • Recession predicted at the end of this year
  • Ofcom is going to review the price cap every 3 months rather than 6

You forgot climate change, baby boomers bleeding the country dry, war with Russia and/or China and Trump making a comeback.... Oh and PM Truss, how lucky we are...

Mad Max 04-08-2022 20:43

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36130324)
You forgot climate change, baby boomers bleeding the country dry, war with Russia and/or China and Trump making a comeback.... Oh and PM Truss, how lucky we are...

Just as well you don't live in Turkey, Mr K, you'd be jumping off the nearest bridge at their inflation rate.:p:


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