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TheDaddy 25-02-2021 22:37
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36072031)
Mr Tickle is a very suspect character. Surprised he's still at large.
He's on a register

Pierre 25-02-2021 22:45
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36072031)
Mr Tickle is a very suspect character. Surprised he's still at large.
You’re only in trouble if you keep him at arms length.

papa smurf 25-02-2021 22:49
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072021)
Since neither actually had genitalia, one can only imagine they identified as Mr and Mrs Potato Head, rather than actually being Mr and Mrs Potato Head...

Perhaps they were both cross-dressers?

Pierre 25-02-2021 22:55
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072021)
Since neither actually had genitalia, one can only imagine they identified as Mr and Mrs Potato Head, rather than actually being Mr and Mrs Potato Head...
Well that’s not the defining element is it, because you can have male genitalia and identify as female and vice versa, if you have no genitalia whatsoever and are made of plastic, well you can identify as a barbie/Sindy doll or action man.

Hugh 25-02-2021 23:32
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Anyhoo, looks like all the outrage was premature

https://twitter.com/hasbro/status/13...814590995?s=21

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Hasbro @Hasbro
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1h
Hold that Tot – your main spud, MR. POTATO HEAD isn’t going anywhere! While it was announced today that the POTATO HEAD brand name & logo are dropping the ‘MR.’ I yam proud to confirm that MR. & MRS. POTATO HEAD aren’t going anywhere and will remain MR. & MRS. POTATO HEAD

8:37 pm · 25 Feb 2021·Khoros Marketing
If you remove all the accessories, Mr & Mrs Potato Head are both gender neutral...

Paul 25-02-2021 23:57
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072046)
Anyhoo, looks like all the outrage was premature
Its called, "WTF have we done, quick, how do we get out of this .........."

Hugh 26-02-2021 09:58
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36072053)
Its called, "WTF have we done, quick, how do we get out of this .........."
Or, the "anti-woke" brigade read the headline rather than the article, and felt they had to show outrage on behalf of all the 2-7 year olds who didn’t give a stuff...

https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/a...hing_this_fall

Sephiroth 26-02-2021 10:35
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
The anti-woke brigade is to be commended.

papa smurf 26-02-2021 10:46
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072082)
The anti-woke brigade is to be commended.
Surely that's just normal people, i see wokies as abnormal bordering on the offensive.

1andrew1 26-02-2021 11:24
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Anyone think that the Potato Head debacle may have been deliberate to raise awareness of the brand?

Mr K 26-02-2021 11:59
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072086)
Anyone think that the Potato Head debacle may have been deliberate to raise awareness of the brand?
Hasn't worked for me, haven't a clue what it is.

1andrew1 26-02-2021 12:01
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36072091)
Hasn't worked for me, haven't a clue what it is.
You may not know what it is but you are now aware of it, so to speak!

Sephiroth 26-02-2021 12:22
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072086)
Anyone think that the Potato Head debacle may have been deliberate to raise awareness of the brand?
Trust you! They could only attract negative reaction from reasonable people.

jonbxx 26-02-2021 13:07
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072095)
Trust you! They could only attract negative reaction from reasonable people.
If getting sad, angry, upset because a toy company rebranded their plastic potato toys is reasonable, then I guess I must be unreasonable.

spiderplant 26-02-2021 13:14
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36072091)
Hasn't worked for me, haven't a clue what it is.
Will you be rebranding yourself as "K"?

Sephiroth 26-02-2021 13:44
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36072099)
If getting sad, angry, upset because a toy company rebranded their plastic potato toys is reasonable, then I guess I must be unreasonable.
Not quite sure of your point there, Jon - but to me any attack on the woke brigade or companies that yield stupidly to that pressure is valid. It's absolutely ludicrous to do this type of rebranding.

There is a case for Barbie dolls embracing a wider field, more certainly for ethnicity. And they've (Mattel) released a so-called gender neutral doll. Sort of makes sense because the kit allows the child to fit the doll out according to the child's wishes.

But changing the language, referring to a person in the singular as "they" is worthy of outrage.

Hugh 26-02-2021 14:22
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36072083)
Surely that's just normal people, i see wokies as abnormal bordering on the offensive.
Oh, the irony (or the projection)...

That whirring noise is Polonius* spinning in his grave so much he’s affecting the Earth’s precession...

*Hamlet, Act I Scene III Lines 78-80

1andrew1 26-02-2021 14:31
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 36072101)
Will you be rebranding yourself as "K"?
:D

Hugh 26-02-2021 14:45
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072109)
Not quite sure of your point there, Jon - but to me any attack on the woke brigade or companies that yield stupidly to that pressure is valid. It's absolutely ludicrous to do this type of rebranding.

There is a case for Barbie dolls embracing a wider field, more certainly for ethnicity. And they've (Mattel) released a so-called gender neutral doll. Sort of makes sense because the kit allows the child to fit the doll out according to the child's wishes.

But changing the language, referring to a person in the singular as "they" is worthy of outrage.
You may wish to offer your services to these multi-billion dollar companies who have huge marketing intelligence budgets, with your insights into how to increase their market share... ;)

jonbxx 26-02-2021 16:12
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072109)
Not quite sure of your point there, Jon - but to me any attack on the woke brigade or companies that yield stupidly to that pressure is valid. It's absolutely ludicrous to do this type of rebranding.

There is a case for Barbie dolls embracing a wider field, more certainly for ethnicity. And they've (Mattel) released a so-called gender neutral doll. Sort of makes sense because the kit allows the child to fit the doll out according to the child's wishes.

But changing the language, referring to a person in the singular as "they" is worthy of outrage.
Why does it outrage you? It's a commercial decision to widen the customer base for vegetable based plastic toys. At worst it will do nothing and at best, there will be more customers.

I am struggling to see the harm here to be honest

Angua 26-02-2021 16:12
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Daftest part is, all they have done is take the Mr/Mrs off the main headline. The name Mr is still on the packaging.

Still the anti Woke have had a lovey time venting their spleens and given a bunch of free advertising to Hasbro.

Pierre 26-02-2021 16:30
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072076)
Or, the "anti-woke" brigade
I don't think there is an anti-woke brigade, just a common-sense brigade

Sephiroth 26-02-2021 16:37
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36072122)
Why does it outrage you? It's a commercial decision to widen the customer base for vegetable based plastic toys. At worst it will do nothing and at best, there will be more customers.

I am struggling to see the harm here to be honest
Well, your response is not unreasonable.

I'm simply jumping on the woke concept, and taking the "Mr" off "Potato" is another notch for the woke brigade.

jfman 26-02-2021 16:40
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
I’m drawing the line when Little Miss Bossy goes on strike for equal pay and Mr Indecisive becomes non-binary.

papa smurf 26-02-2021 16:48
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36072127)
I’m drawing the line when Little Miss Bossy goes on strike for equal pay and Mr Indecisive becomes non-binary.
I feel it's time for me to chip in and say lets not start mashing up genders.

jonbxx 26-02-2021 17:32
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072126)
I'm simply jumping on the woke concept, and taking the "Mr" off "Potato" is another notch for the woke brigade.
It is a good question - are we as a society not discriminating any more or can we do better? If we can do better, how can that be done without invoking weaponised terms like 'woke'. It's an argument I am sure has been going on for many years, back to the 'no blacks, no irish' days and before.

'Women getting the vote, whatever next'....

Sephiroth 26-02-2021 17:46
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36072138)
It is a good question - are we as a society not discriminating any more or can we do better? If we can do better, how can that be done without invoking weaponised terms like 'woke'. It's an argument I am sure has been going on for many years, back to the 'no blacks, no irish' days and before.

'Women getting the vote, whatever next'....
I don't think you're right there.

There is a difference between virtue signalling which possibly disguises the profit motive, and proper behaviour and tolerance of all human beings (except the woke!).

Woke-ism has gone beyond all bounds of sense and reasonableness. No-platforming; excision of our history and associated vandalism; Churchill was a murderer, etc. "They". It's too much.

Hugh 26-02-2021 18:16
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"Excision of our history"?

There is no excision of history, just a fuller re-telling, which includes the bits some people would rather not have discussed, as it doesn’t show our past in the idealised light they would prefer...

An example would be the Battle of Britain - because most people’s idea of the BoB is what they have seen in British films of the 50s and 60s (and the Biggles etc. books), and the "Commando"-type comics of the 60s and 70s, they believe that the BoB was won by the upper-middle class English officers, with some support from working-class Scottish or Cockney mechanics.

The facts are that 20% of BoB pilots were from outside the U.K.(half of those from Europe), 5 of the 10 leading "Aces" during the BoB were from outside the U.K., and 1/3 of the pilots were Sergeant Pilots, from the working & middle classes.

Also, Hurricanes shot down more German planes than the Spitfire.

This isn’t excising the efforts made by Spitfires and the Officers who piloted them, just showing a fuller picture.

papa smurf 26-02-2021 18:21
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072144)
"Excision of our history"?

There is no excision of history, just a fuller re-telling, which includes the bits some people would rather not have discussed, as it doesn’t show our past in the idealised light they would prefer...

An example would be the Battle of Britain - because most people’s idea of the BoB is what they have seen in British films of the 50s and 60s (and the Biggles etc. books), and the "Commando"-type comics of the 60s and 70s, they believe that the BoB was won by the upper-middle class English officers, with some support from working-class Scottish or Cockney mechanics.

The facts are that 20% of BoB pilots were from outside the U.K.(half of those from Europe), 5 of the 10 leading "Aces" during the BoB were from outside the U.K., and 1/3 of the pilots were Sergeant Pilots, from the working & middle classes.

Also, Hurricanes shot down more German planes than the Spitfire.

This isn’t excising the efforts made by Spitfires and the Officers who piloted them, just showing a fuller picture.
What gender were the planes ?

and the greatest question in aviation history, was Enola gay?

jonbxx 26-02-2021 19:07
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072141)
I don't think you're right there.

There is a difference between virtue signalling which possibly disguises the profit motive, and proper behaviour and tolerance of all human beings (except the woke!).

Woke-ism has gone beyond all bounds of sense and reasonableness. No-platforming; excision of our history and associated vandalism; Churchill was a murderer, etc. "They". It's too much.
Yeah, it's 'where is the line' that's the big question. People like to trade in absolutes. Using your example Churchill, he was a great wartime leader but not faultless or beyond reproach. His actions during the Bengal famine for example were pretty poor.

History should be reviewed, not put in a box and that's that. If a review of history uncovers or highlight uncomfortable truths then we need a discussion on how we handle this. Challenging our perception of history is a worthwhile exercise. How we react to what we might find is the challenge

Hugh 26-02-2021 20:09
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36072145)
What gender were the planes ?

and the greatest question in aviation history, was Enola gay?
Your contribution, as always, is noted - the forum wouldn’t be the same without you to keep balance with the informative posts... ;)

Mad Max 26-02-2021 20:47
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36072083)
Surely that's just normal people, i see wokies as abnormal bordering on the offensive.

:clap::clap:

TheDaddy 27-02-2021 00:26
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36072145)
What gender were the planes ?

and the greatest question in aviation history, was Enola gay?
Bi, she fecked a lot of people...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072144)
"Excision of our history"?

There is no excision of history, just a fuller re-telling, which includes the bits some people would rather not have discussed, as it doesn’t show our past in the idealised light they would prefer...

An example would be the Battle of Britain - because most people’s idea of the BoB is what they have seen in British films of the 50s and 60s (and the Biggles etc. books), and the "Commando"-type comics of the 60s and 70s, they believe that the BoB was won by the upper-middle class English officers, with some support from working-class Scottish or Cockney mechanics.

The facts are that 20% of BoB pilots were from outside the U.K.(half of those from Europe), 5 of the 10 leading "Aces" during the BoB were from outside the U.K., and 1/3 of the pilots were Sergeant Pilots, from the working & middle classes.

Also, Hurricanes shot down more German planes than the Spitfire.

This isn’t excising the efforts made by Spitfires and the Officers who piloted them, just showing a fuller picture.
Would that be because there were more hurricanes than spitfires...

Hugh 27-02-2021 01:30
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Yes, but that’s not what is seen as ‘history" - the Spitfire is seen as the main reason we won the BoB, rather than the reality.

Who Shot Liberty Valance - "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend".

Sephiroth 27-02-2021 10:19
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36072197)
Bi, she fecked a lot of people...

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Would that be because there were more hurricanes than spitfires...
No. The officers flew the Spitfires and the flight sergeants flew the Hurricanes.


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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072200)
Yes, but that’s not what is seen as ‘history" - the Spitfire is seen as the main reason we won the BoB, rather than the reality.

Who Shot Liberty Valance - "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend".
No surprise, really when the legendary ME109 pilot, Adolf Galland, when asked by Goering what he needed, said "Herr Reichsmarschall, a squadron of Spitfires!".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...d-1318925.html

Pierre 27-02-2021 10:33
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072144)
"Excision of our history"?

There is no excision of history, just a fuller re-telling, which includes the bits some people would rather not have discussed, as it doesn’t show our past in the idealised light they would prefer...

An example would be the Battle of Britain - because most people’s idea of the BoB is what they have seen in British films of the 50s and 60s (and the Biggles etc. books), and the "Commando"-type comics of the 60s and 70s, they believe that the BoB was won by the upper-middle class English officers, with some support from working-class Scottish or Cockney mechanics.

The facts are that 20% of BoB pilots were from outside the U.K.(half of those from Europe), 5 of the 10 leading "Aces" during the BoB were from outside the U.K., and 1/3 of the pilots were Sergeant Pilots, from the working & middle classes.

Also, Hurricanes shot down more German planes than the Spitfire.

This isn’t excising the efforts made by Spitfires and the Officers who piloted them, just showing a fuller picture.
None of that is hidden, if you’re curious about history and especially WWII TV there is lots of literature and other material you can research if you want to, I also disagree the above shows our country in a bad light.

War is always depicted in a glossy format for the masses as the truth is probably too much for most to take.

I recommend anyone interested in WWI to listen to the excellent Dan Carlin series Blueprint for Armageddon and for the Pacific theatre of WWII Supernova in the East. You get the full picture.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072200)
Yes, but that’s not what is seen as ‘history" - the Spitfire is seen as the main reason we won the BoB, rather than the reality.

Who Shot Liberty Valance - "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend".
Which itself is incorrect, the main reason we won BoB is that the Luftwaffe underestimated the number of planes we had and overestimated their advantage. We were also replacing our losses at a much greater rate than they were. The ME109 also had a short range and a very limited flight time over the UK and channel.

To say that the main reason we won the BoB was Hurricanes and working class pilots is also as simplistic and incorrect as saying it was Spitfires and toffee nosed fops

Hugh 27-02-2021 12:13
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072209)
No. The officers flew the Spitfires and the flight sergeants flew the Hurricanes.


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No surprise, really when the legendary ME109 pilot, Adolf Galland, when asked by Goering what he needed, said "Herr Reichsmarschall, a squadron of Spitfires!".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...d-1318925.html
Common misconception, but not an accurate one.

https://www.spitfireassociation.com/...Harold-Charles

https://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/CookH.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Kingaby

https://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/WilkinsonKA.htm

Here's a picture of a Spitfire Sergeant Pilot with some officers

https://battleofbritain.rafa.org.uk/...s-fowlmere.jpg

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072213)
None of that is hidden, if you’re curious about history and especially WWII TV there is lots of literature and other material you can research if you want to, I also disagree the above shows our country in a bad light.

War is always depicted in a glossy format for the masses as the truth is probably too much for most to take.

I recommend anyone interested in WWI to listen to the excellent Dan Carlin series Blueprint for Armageddon and for the Pacific theatre of WWII Supernova in the East. You get the full picture.

---------- Post added at 09:33 ---------- Previous post was at 09:25 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh View Post
Yes, but that’s not what is seen as ‘history" - the Spitfire is seen as the main reason we won the BoB, rather than the reality.

Who Shot Liberty Valance - "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend".
Which itself is incorrect, the main reason we won BoB is that the Luftwaffe underestimated the number of planes we had and overestimated their advantage. We were also replacing our losses at a much greater rate than they were. The ME109 also had a short range and a very limited flight time over the UK and channel.

To say that the main reason we won the BoB was Hurricanes and working class pilots is also as simplistic and incorrect as saying it was Spitfires and toffee nosed fops
And it would be, if it had been said...

What was said was
Quote:
Also, Hurricanes shot down more German planes than the Spitfire.
I was refuting the common myth that Spitfires won the Battle of Britain, not replacing it with another incorrect myth.

I didn't say the Spitfire was the main reason we won the BoB (in fact, my entire post was refuting that point), I said it was seen as the main reason - myth over actuality.

I didn't mention the Chain Radar either, but that didn't mean it wasn't an equally valuable contribution.

Sephiroth 27-02-2021 12:27
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Better, then, to get the Woke Brigade onto this and sort out the role of the lower classes in defeating the Nazi Luftwaffe (knocking Churchill's statue down first, of course.

Angua 27-02-2021 12:38
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072225)
Better, then, to get the Woke Brigade onto this and sort out the role of the lower classes in defeating the Nazi Luftwaffe (knocking Churchill's statue down first, of course.
Ironically, the RAF were the most egalitarian (woke) of all the military services.

Maggy 27-02-2021 13:47
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I would shout topic but I'm not quite sure what it is anymore

Sephiroth 27-02-2021 17:15
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 36072226)
Ironically, the RAF were the most egalitarian (woke) of all the military services.
Ah - but in those days, "they" meant "they" not he or her in the singular.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36072230)
I would shout topic but I'm not quite sure what it is anymore
The topic leads naturally into the "woke" discussion.

Btw, a Mod who is not sure ....

Hugh 27-02-2021 20:10
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
"They" has meant "he" or "her" in the singular since before Shakespeare...

A Comedy of Errors, Act IV, Scene 3:

Quote:
There's not a man I meet but doth salute me
As if I were their well-acquainted friend
And the Oxford English Dictionary states
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The Oxford English Dictionary traces singular they back to 1375
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-49754930
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Examples of the singular "they" being used to describe someone features as early as 1386 in Geoffrey Chaucer's The Canterbury Tales and also in famous literary works like Shakespeare's Hamlet in 1599.

"They" and "them" were still being used by literary authors to describe people in the 17th Century too - including by Jane Austin in her 1813 novel Pride and Prejudice.

Sephiroth 27-02-2021 20:24
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Comedy of error is about right.

Mad Max 27-02-2021 20:52
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
This thread has descended into :sleep: territory

pip08456 27-02-2021 21:03
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072262)
Comedy of error is about right.
About right as not being an example of they or them being used in the singular.

Not a man I meet implies more than 1.

Hugh 28-02-2021 00:39
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
There’s someone outside who would like a word with you.

What do they want?

or

An employee will not do a good job if they don’t have the right training.

or

Someone was just here and they left their phone behind.

pip08456 28-02-2021 00:42
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072284)
There’s someone outside who would like a word with you.

What do they want?

or

An employee will not do a good job if they don’t have the right training.

or

Someone was just here and they left their phone behind.
Happy to see you now know how to give correct examples.;)

Pierre 28-02-2021 09:56
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072284)
There’s someone outside who would like a word with you.

What do they want?

or

An employee will not do a good job if they don’t have the right training.

or

Someone was just here and they left their phone behind.
I understand the examples, of referring to an indeterminate person you don’t know.

Change, somebody and employee for Dave or Julie.

If I introduced myself to you as Pierre and then asked to referred to They/ Them, doesn’t work the same way.

Mr K 28-02-2021 11:11
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I must say this is all incredibly fascinating....

Just be nice to each other is never a bad start. Gender(s) are irrelevant in comparison and a matter for you alone.

1andrew1 28-02-2021 11:32
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36072312)
I must say this is all incredibly fascinating....

Just be nice to each other is never a bad start. Gender(s) are irrelevant in comparison and a matter for you alone.
Heard something the other day which makes sense. The right have largely won the economic arguments (market economy) and the left have largely won the cultural arguments (equality, inclusion, etc).

papa smurf 28-02-2021 11:33
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36072312)
I must say this is all incredibly fascinating....

Just be nice to each other is never a bad start. Gender(s) are irrelevant in comparison and a matter for you alone.
That's easy for you/them/their/him/her/ms/Mr/none/ to say but will it be enough.

Sephiroth 28-02-2021 12:29
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072317)
Heard something the other day which makes sense. The right have largely won the economic arguments (market economy) and the left have largely won the cultural arguments (equality, inclusion, etc).
What use can be made of that information when taken together?

1andrew1 28-02-2021 13:45
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072330)
What use can be made of that information when taken together?
Make the right messages on culture wars to keep the right-of-centre happy. You can't gain votes by pushing the market economy any more as no one is proposing otherwise, so culture wars is your sweet spot.

Do a small bit of old-fashioned state intervention on industry to keep the left-of-centre happy whilst keeping a largely market economy.

With such an approach, your electoral chances are increased. ;)

Pierre 28-02-2021 18:12
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36072312)
Just be nice to each other is never a bad start. Gender(s) are irrelevant in comparison and a matter for you alone.
Good advice that I agree with, but some want to make it matter for everyone else, and/or get very offended if you don’t bend to their will.

Hugh 28-02-2021 20:05
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Being polite to others, and using the terms they prefer, is a long way from bending to someone’s will...

ymmv

Pierre 28-02-2021 20:20
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072387)
Being polite to others, and using the terms they prefer, is a long way from bending to someone’s will...

ymmv
Ymmv, not an abbreviation I was familiar with, and not one that I assign any relevance to.

I have chosen not to participate in the culture war or any post-modernist machinations.........because they are illogical and a waste of my valuable time.

I remain polite.

peanut 28-02-2021 20:23
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072387)
Being polite to others, and using the terms they prefer, is a long way from bending to someone’s will...

ymmv
Nope it'll be polite, he or she, him or her, anything other it's their them they, or themselves problem.

Hugh 01-03-2021 00:31
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Only a problem if you think it is...

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072391)
Ymmv, not an abbreviation I was familiar with, and not one that I assign any relevance to.

I have chosen not to participate in the culture war or any post-modernist machinations.........because they are illogical and a waste of my valuable time.

I remain polite.
Your postings on the subject would evidence otherwise...

Maggy 01-03-2021 09:41
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072387)
Being polite to others, and using the terms they prefer, is a long way from bending to someone’s will...

ymmv
Yep it would seem so but sometimes one can find oneself under attack for not obeying a person's preferred term of address when you have no idea what that form of address is..because they haven't informed you what they prefer. :shrug:

1andrew1 01-03-2021 10:41
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Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36072417)
Yep it would seem so but sometimes one can find oneself under attack for not obeying a person's preferred term of address when you have no idea what that form of address is..because they haven't informed you what they prefer. :shrug:
Has this ever happened to you? I've been corrected on a personal pronoun use before but I didn't think of myself as being under attack.

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 11:13
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There's a huge difference between accepted usage and forced usage through the woke campaign.

1andrew1 01-03-2021 11:30
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072428)
There's a huge difference between accepted usage and forced usage through the woke campaign.
Can you give me an example of where you've had usage forced upon you by this mysterious woke campaign?

Maggy 01-03-2021 12:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072425)
Has this ever happened to you? I've been corrected on a personal pronoun use before but I didn't think of myself as being under attack.
Yes or I wouldn't have mentioned it.:rolleyes:

downquark1 01-03-2021 12:16
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Many years ago I was accused of degendering someone when I referred to them as "they". This was on an anonymous forum with no actually indication of what gender they were. I think it was to provoke a response so I just ignored it.

1andrew1 01-03-2021 12:24
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36072439)
Yes or I wouldn't have mentioned it.:rolleyes:
Are you able to share the context? I appreciate that you may prefer not to.

The tricky thing I find is that ten years ago, you could work someone's pronouns out from their name, although some names could be both male and female. Now, unless you check beforehand on their Twitter, bio etc, you can't. Fine if you have that information but if it's someone in an audience, it's harder.

Hugh 01-03-2021 12:37
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072431)
Can you give me an example of where you've had usage forced upon you by this mysterious woke campaign?
Well, if you google "Telegraph woke agenda", you will get 832,000 results, so that might be the source (average readership age is 61)... :D

The Telegraph's (et al) campaigns against what they term "woke" is just their latest in their efforts to stoke outrage - in the 70s and 80s, they did the same against Feminism, in the 90s and 00s, it was against the "Gay Agenda", and they just repeat the same tactics decade after decade, trying to make their readership feel threatened and outraged, because things aren't "the same as they were before, when everything was idyllic*.

Also, having a "culture war" is useful for distraction from actual important problems - the Conservatives have been in power for 11 years (nearly), have an 80 seat majority, most of the media slavishly reprint their viewpoints (from a Downing Street/Government source), but somehow the right wing views are "oppressed".

*if you were a white middle-class straight male. :D

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 12:48
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36072440)
Many years ago I was accused of degendering someone when I referred to them as "they". This was on an anonymous forum with no actually indication of what gender they were. I think it was to provoke a response so I just ignored it.
In such circumstances I use "he/she" or "him/her". The woke brigade haven't yet picked me up on that.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072443)
Well, if you google "Telegraph woke agenda", you will get 832,000 results, so that might be the source (average readership age is 61)... :D

The Telegraph's (et al) campaigns against what they term "woke" is just their latest in their efforts to stoke outrage - in the 70s and 80s, they did the same against Feminism, in the 90s and 00s, it was against the "Gay Agenda", and they just repeat the same tactics decade after decade, trying to make their readership feel threatened and outraged, because things aren't "the same as they were before, when everything was idyllic*.

Also, having a "culture war" is useful for distraction from actual important problems - the Conservatives have been in power for 11 years (nearly), have an 80 seat majority, most of the media slavishly reprint their viewpoints (from a Downing Street/Government source), but somehow the right wing views are "oppressed".

*if you were a white middle-class straight male. :D
What's wrong with being a white middle-class straight male?

You may consciously feel that you didn't say there was something wrong. But the sneer was definitely there by associating Telegraph readers such as myself with right wing views.

Hugh 01-03-2021 12:54
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Nothing - but as a group, we may be many things, but we're not "oppressed".

btw, when you say
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associating Telegraph readers such as myself with right wing views.
you were being sarcastic, yes?

Being a Telegraph reader is almost synonomous with being a Tory (speaking as a Telegraph reader of almost 20 years, before I moved on to the Times) - it's not called the Torygraph as an oxymoron...

Maggy 01-03-2021 13:08
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by downquark1 (Post 36072440)
Many years ago I was accused of degendering someone when I referred to them as "they". This was on an anonymous forum with no actually indication of what gender they were. I think it was to provoke a response so I just ignored it.
:tu:

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 13:28
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072448)
Nothing - but as a group, we may be many things, but we're not "oppressed".

btw, when you say

you were being sarcastic, yes?

Being a Telegraph reader is almost synonomous with being a Tory (speaking as a Telegraph reader of almost 20 years, before I moved on to the Times) - it's not called the Torygraph as an oxymoron...
What's your point? You are the master of sarcasm (quite annoying, actually).

The Telegraph's anti-woke position is absolutely correct. There are may ways of respecting gender preferences without resorting to woke measures.

Hom3r 01-03-2021 13:28
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"I can't believe I'm living in a world that is reassigning the gender of a plastic potato."

Hugh 01-03-2021 13:49
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 36072454)
"I can't believe I'm living in a world that is reassigning the gender of a plastic potato."
Luckily, you're not... :)

If you were, you'd be stating that a because putting certain items of clothing on to an androgynous piece of plastic gave it a gender (Mr Potato Head), gender is a social construct...:D

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 14:07
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072458)
Luckily, you're not... :)

If you were, you'd be stating that a because putting certain items of clothing on to an androgynous piece of plastic gave it a gender (Mr Potato Head), gender is a social construct...:D
Jeez - you don't half get things wrong (and provocatively at that).

It's a flipping doll (Mr Potato Head), dressed as males dress; hence the Mr. This crap about gender being a social construct is pure nitpicking for no good. OK - so putting mal clothing onto the doll gave it male sex. Satisfied? Jeez.

pip08456 01-03-2021 14:07
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072458)
Luckily, you're not... :)

If you were, you'd be stating that a because putting certain items of clothing on to an androgynous piece of plastic gave it a gender (Mr Potato Head), gender is a social construct...:D
Mr Potato Head still exists. Here's the new packaging.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1614604039

1andrew1 01-03-2021 14:14
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36072462)
Mr Potato Head still exists. Here's the new packaging.
Yup, that's the whole irony of this debate!

All Hasbro has done is to change the branding for the range to Potato Head from Mr Potato Head.

I can understanding it being confusing if one model had Mr Potato Head on it for the range and Mrs Potato Head being the product itself. It could lead to the wrong Potato Head being purchased. ;) This minor re-branding sorts that problem out!

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 14:35
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072463)
Yup, that's the whole irony of this debate!

All Hasbro has done is to change the branding for the range to Potato Head from Mr Potato Head.

I can understanding it being confusing if one model had Mr Potato Head on it for the range and Mrs Potato Head being the product itself. It could lead to the wrong Potato Head being purchased. ;) This minor re-branding sorts that problem out!
You're right, of course. But it has opened the door to the imagination here on the forum.

https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/a...hing_this_fall

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Launching this Fall, the CREATE YOUR POTATO HEAD FAMILY is a celebration of the many faces of families allowing kids to imagine and create their own Potato Head family with 2 large potato bodies, 1 small potato body, and 42 accessories. The possibilities to create your own families are endless with mixing and mashing all the parts and pieces.
Will the 42 accessories be able to conjure up the woke contrivances? The 100 genders (or only 21)? Any cross-dressing obviously possible? Gender queer? Gender fluid?

Do you have to buy two sets to represent gay male/female (they) parents? Must be monetarily unfair to gays.

If Hasbro had just done the rebrand without any fanfair, this thread would be somewhat threadbare.

papa smurf 01-03-2021 14:43
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072453)
What's your point? You are the master of sarcasm (quite annoying, actually).

The Telegraph's anti-woke position is absolutely correct. There are may ways of respecting gender preferences without resorting to woke measures.
Moderately gifted amateur;)

Hugh 01-03-2021 14:50
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36072474)
Moderately gifted amateur;)
If you say so... ;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36072469)
You're right, of course. But it has opened the door to the imagination here on the forum.

https://corporate.hasbro.com/en-us/a...hing_this_fall



Will the 42 accessories be able to conjure up the woke contrivances? The 100 genders (or only 21)? Any cross-dressing obviously possible? Gender queer? Gender fluid?

Do you have to buy two sets to represent gay male/female (they) parents? Must be monetarily unfair to gays.

If Hasbro had just done the rebrand without any fanfair, this thread would be somewhat threadbare.
Wow, you’re really getting worked up about this, and letting your imagination run riot - you’re secretly the leader of the Woke-ingham Tories, aren’t you, subtly raising the secret woke agenda until others don’t realise they’ve succumbed to it.

I see through your Wokey subterfuges... :D

1andrew1 01-03-2021 14:53
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072478)
If you say so... ;)

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Wow, you’re really getting worked up about this, and letting your imagination run riot - you’re secretly the leader of the Woke-ingham Tories, aren’t you, subtly raising the secret woke agenda until others don’t realise they’ve succumbed to it.

I see through your Wokey subterfuges... :D
Lol at Wokeingham. Apparently, the healthiest place to live in England I believe per the Sunday Times.

Pierre 01-03-2021 15:20
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072406)
Your postings on the subject would evidence otherwise...
That I'm impolite or that I acquiesce to post-modernism shenanigans?

Hugh 01-03-2021 17:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072495)
That I'm impolite or that I acquiesce to post-modernism shenanigans?
Neither of those...

Angua 01-03-2021 18:26
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The one thing that really does need to change, is the deliberate blurring of the lines between gender and sex.

The former can change the latter is genetic.

Sephiroth 01-03-2021 18:55
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 36072516)
The one thing that really does need to change, is the deliberate blurring of the lines between gender and sex.

The former can change the latter is genetic.
.... at the whim of the woke.

Hugh 01-03-2021 20:36
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Congratulations - you win today’s "Woke" buzzword bingo, having used the word "woke" in this thread five times today (was there something in the Torygraph today that particularly outraged you?).

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1614627141

Pierre 01-03-2021 20:50
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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 36072516)
The former can change the latter is genetic.
The former is subjective, is ambiguous in meaning, has no basis in science or biology and has been hijacked by the post-modern liberals ( who are not liberal) to promulgate their identity politics agenda to promote division and ultimately undermine and destroy the fabric of Western Democracies...................the latter is a matter of biological fact.

1andrew1 01-03-2021 22:53
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072495)
That I'm impolite or that I acquiesce to post-modernism shenanigans?
I suspect it was the "I have chosen not to participate in the culture war" statement.

Pierre 01-03-2021 22:59
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072549)
I suspect it was the "I have chosen not to participate in the culture war" statement.
Why do you say that?

1andrew1 01-03-2021 23:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072552)
Why do you say that?
Process of elimination.

Pierre 01-03-2021 23:41
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072558)
Process of elimination.
Sorry I don’t follow, please give a detailed answer as to how you came to your conclusion.

1andrew1 02-03-2021 00:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072562)
Sorry I don’t follow, please give a detailed answer as to how you came to your conclusion.
Just removed the aspects that you and Hugh had discounted and this was the one remaining.

Pierre 02-03-2021 00:45
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072570)
Just removed the aspects that you and Hugh had discounted and this was the one remaining.
Well in that case, I say you’re wrong. Unless you can provide an example that enforces the suggestion. Can you?

1andrew1 02-03-2021 01:02
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072575)
Well in that case, I say you’re wrong. Unless you can provide an example that enforces the suggestion. Can you?
It's not my opinion, I don't have one on the matter, it was the only option left as you'd ruled the others out in your exchanges with Hugh.

Maggy 02-03-2021 10:37
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
A reminder that there is a topic of sorts so please stick to it.

tweetiepooh 02-03-2021 11:21
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To me gender is the genetic - male (XY) or female (XX), true there are some oddities but they are rare. Sex is what happens hopefully in private.


Gender : Male
Sex : Please (but only with my wife)


What should be taught is not how to deal with loads of different genders but to treat all people with respect and kindness. We don't teach about all the different races do we, we may teach that different groups are different but we are all people, all equally valuable.

Hugh 02-03-2021 13:48
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072570)
Just removed the aspects that you and Hugh had discounted and this was the one remaining.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072575)
Well in that case, I say you’re wrong. Unless you can provide an example that enforces the suggestion. Can you?
He's right...

Sephiroth 02-03-2021 14:03
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36072623)
To me gender is the genetic - male (XY) or female (XX), true there are some oddities but they are rare. Sex is what happens hopefully in private.


Gender : Male
Sex : Please (but only with my wife)


What should be taught is not how to deal with loads of different genders but to treat all people with respect and kindness. We don't teach about all the different races do we, we may teach that different groups are different but we are all people, all equally valuable.
Sums it up correctly.

Pierre 02-03-2021 17:45
Re: Backlash as BBC teaches NINE year olds there is 100 Genders
 
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072641)
He's right...
we've moved on.

Hugh 02-03-2021 18:50
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072552)
Why do you say that?
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36072558)
Process of elimination.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072575)
Well in that case, I say you’re wrong. Unless you can provide an example that enforces the suggestion. Can you?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36072641)
He's right...
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36072670)
we've moved on.
Probably a good idea... :)


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