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Damien 14-06-2021 17:46
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
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Originally Posted by deadite66 (Post 36083071)
Please continue to hate watch and increase its numbers.
I've seen people say we shouldn't watch but it's interesting to see a new channel being started, how often does that happen? I don't particularly care if it fails or succeeds so it's stupid to boycott it.

1andrew1 14-06-2021 18:04
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36083073)
This is amazing.

They've gone to remote reporters. Keeping cutting to the wrong one, the voices all echo and I think they're talking about COVID approaches in different regions but one reporter talked about how Scotland need to score against England on Thursday.
It was introduced as news that's important to the region. Hence Arlene Foster's resignation in Belfast, the football in Scotland and...well, in Yorkshire, all the poor reporter could mention was Covid.

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Dewbs & Co logo looks like an estate agent's sign.

Background to her show is distracting as the staff behind her are so close.

She cleverly entices people to stay watching with talk of gremlins which she delivers on as we can see but not hear Boris Johnson speaking.

Sephiroth 14-06-2021 18:06
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They couldn't even do the PM's statement. They cut to it, but no sound now they're back to the studio.

Shit-show barely covers it. That smug Andrew Neil must be out of toilet paper.

1andrew1 14-06-2021 18:20
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Looks like a single-topic station:

3pm Today from 3pm, Simon and Alex are asking - How do you feel about the delay to Freedom Day?

6pm Should Freedom Day be delayed? That's the question Michelle Dewberry is asking on the first edition of Dewbs & Co.
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS

Mick 14-06-2021 18:20
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Goodness me, it's a new channel FFS.

1andrew1 14-06-2021 18:26
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I'm sure it will continue to have high ratings for the first few days due to the novelty effect

GB News' inaugural Sunday evening show attracts 107,000 more viewers than Sky and nearly 32,000 more than the BBC

Mick 14-06-2021 18:30
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All you moaning about technical errors, need to wind your necks in, BBC is notorious for them and they have been going for a very very long time.

BBC's most memorable set of Live errors has been more recent and this error lasted for over 6 minutes:

Pierre 14-06-2021 19:12
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The one difference, and a fairly important one, that I did notice was that GB news reported on the lockdown protest today in London, whereas I haven’t seen Sky or BBC report on it. They might have, I don’t watch news 24/7, but I doubt it.

Mr K 14-06-2021 19:19
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36083100)
The one difference, and a fairly important one, that I did notice was that GB news reported on the lockdown protest today in London, whereas I haven’t seen Sky or BBC report on it. They might have, I don’t watch news 24/7, but I doubt it.
C4 News seem to be broadcasting from the centre of a noisy protest outside Downing St. , so it's hardly being hidden !

papa smurf 14-06-2021 19:21
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083101)
C4 News seem to be broadcasting from the centre of a noisy protest outside Downing St. , so it's hardly being hidden !
Reporting or giving a one sided biased opinion?

Pierre 14-06-2021 19:29
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083101)
C4 News seem to be broadcasting from the centre of a noisy protest outside Downing St. , so it's hardly being hidden !
Like I said I don’t watch news 24/7, generally Sky and BBC, and I haven’t seen it covered on there.

To be fair I would expect C4 to have a viewership on a par with “News Bunny”

Mr K 14-06-2021 19:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36083102)
Reporting or giving a one sided biased opinion?
Reporting. If you want one side biased opinions then do stick to the Express/GB News.

Closed minds are very much on the cranky hysterical right these days. Another Americanisation invading our Country. I blame Trump, Fox and UFOs playing with our brain waves. ;)

Damien 14-06-2021 19:38
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Protests happen in London all the time. The news doesn't report on all of it. Last weekend there was a Palestine protest which went unreported because it wasn't new nor did anything apparently happen at it. People on the left moan all the time when 'their' protest wasn't covered. It's just a fact a lot of the time they don't.

Mick 14-06-2021 21:33
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083101)
C4 News seem to be broadcasting from the centre of a noisy protest outside Downing St. , so it's hardly being hidden !
It might as well be, C4 News is a non-entity ideally suited to leftist woke types. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083107)
Reporting. If you want one side biased opinions then do stick to the Express/GB News.

Closed minds are very much on the cranky hysterical right these days. Another Americanisation invading our Country. I blame Trump, Fox and UFOs playing with our brain waves. ;)
Said from the person with a closed mind! :dozey:

Carth 14-06-2021 21:45
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I don't think it's closed . . . it just has strange opening times ;)

RichardCoulter 14-06-2021 21:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36082924)
The technical problems will be fixed in time. Not a huge statement on the future of the channel, it'll be if they can find an audience for an opinion led TV channel.

The other thing they need to fix is the lighting and camera set-up. I watched a bit of their morning show which has four main presenters but they've chosen to frame the entire desk in shot throughout the show, rather than cutting to close-ups of the current speaker, so they look oddly distant from the camera. The lighting is very dark as well.
The thing is that these technical problems give a bad impression and people tuning in may decide not to return again.

If someone tried out a new restaurant and had issue after issue that was explained away by them being a new business I doubt they'd go again as they'd expect them to be professional from the start.

Andrew Neil hinted at the problems yesterday by more or less saying that they are to be expected with a new station, with new staff using new equipment.

They've had plenty of time to practice though, especially as their launch was delayed. What would it be like if they had launched on time!?

Personally, i'll continue to have it on in the background for a bit longer to see if it's for me or not.

1andrew1 14-06-2021 21:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36083055)
Ouch!

In a way it reminds me of the launch of Today in the mid 1980s. Made much, pre-launch, of the fact that it would substantially be printed in full colour, but when it came to it, most pages were slightly off-register (the four colour plates weren’t aligned properly, so the pictures looked muddy, with colourful haloes around the edges). Sometimes they were dreadfully misaligned. Correctly lining up the CMYK plates prior to rolling the printing press is basic stuff, but at launch they simply hadn’t managed to hire anyone good enough to get it bang on, first time, every time, under the pressure of daily newspaper deadlines.

Some of the stuff GBN is getting wrong at the moment is the sort of thing that a competent crew from a small production company would spot, correct and re-take, if they were out making a corporate video. The problem GBN has is it’s making its mistakes live on air. The lighting, costuming and audio shortcomings should be remedied within a few days, even if, as seems to be the case, they’ve been unable to attract hires with substantial experience of producing live news. If you can’t spot these sorts of mistakes and you don’t know how to correct them, you really shouldn’t be working with TV cameras in any context whatsoever.

The editorial direction is another matter entirely. This is obviously where all the money has been spent so you would hope they’d know what they’re doing. That remains to be seen.
I'm old enough to remember that. Innovative but underfunded. So, we had Shah Vision then and we have Neil Sound now. :D

Chris 14-06-2021 22:22
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Don’t suppose you remember the slightly psychedelic sketch Spitting Image did, with Eddie Shah surrounded by shimmering kaleidoscope effects and insisting everything looked perfectly fine? :D

1andrew1 14-06-2021 23:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36083142)
Don’t suppose you remember the slightly psychedelic sketch Spitting Image did, with Eddie Shah surrounded by shimmering kaleidoscope effects and insisting everything looked perfectly fine? :D
Sadly not but it sounds great! :D

Damien 15-06-2021 10:08
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Watched a bit more. Neil is easily their star presenter. Some technical problems but doesn't seem to be as many today but the issues around lighting and camera positioning are still there although it does seem to be lighter.

It's just a bit boring though. The presenters are clearly trying to fill out the time with a discussion between them but it's unnatural and stilted.

Carth 15-06-2021 10:38
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36083173)
Watched a bit more. Neil is easily their star presenter. Some technical problems but doesn't seem to be as many today but the issues around lighting and camera positioning are still there although it does seem to be lighter.

It's just a bit boring though. The presenters are clearly trying to fill out the time with a discussion between them but it's unnatural and stilted.
Much the same as every other news program then, fill the spaces between the 15 minute 'headlines' by talking to various people with not much to add apart from an opinion.
I sometimes think there's a room somewhere, full of people patiently waiting for the tap on the shoulder indicating their turn on the expert merry-go-round :D

Damien 15-06-2021 10:57
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Pretty much but it's where I think they might struggle because it's designed to have hosts and shows rather than rolling the same news 24/7 like Sky and BBC mostly do. Even Fox News doesn't have opinion-led programming for the main part of the day.

1andrew1 15-06-2021 13:13
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36083182)
Pretty much but it's where I think they might struggle because it's designed to have hosts and shows rather than rolling the same news 24/7 like Sky and BBC mostly do. Even Fox News doesn't have opinion-led programming for the main part of the day.
Agreed. The most exciting elements have been when things have gone wrong.

It was a shame, really. A few minutes ago as there was good banter about the price of Australian chardonnay and they linked to an expert but he couldn't hear them and his speech was distorted so the moment was lost and the call abandoned.

I also don't know most of the presenters but their names or the name of the shows are not on screen which doesn't help for such a new channel.

papa smurf 15-06-2021 13:17
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36083202)
Agreed. The most exciting elements have been when things have gone wrong.

It was a shame, really. A few minutes ago as there was good banter about the price of Australian chardonnay and they linked to an expert but he couldn't hear them and his speech was distorted so the moment was lost and the call abandoned.

I also don't know most of the presenters but their names or the name of the shows are not on screen which doesn't help for such a new channel.
the good news is you're still glued to it.

1andrew1 15-06-2021 13:24
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36083203)
the good news is you're still glued to it.
As long as they keep paying me to, I'll keep watching! :D

Mr K 15-06-2021 16:11
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Oh dear, the advertisers are pulling out ....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ycott-gb-news/
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GB News has been struck by an advertising boycott from some of the world's biggest brands in an early blow for the Right-leaning news service.

Cider maker Kopparberg was joined by Grolsch, the Open University and skin care brand Nivea in suspending advertising ties with the network. Insurer LV= also said it would review its advertising.

The backlash was prompted by Stop Funding Hate, a social media campaign group that has gained prominence by urging advertisers to snub national newspapers promoting divisive views.

The group published a list of GB News advertisers online to rally support behind its efforts to starve the channel of advertising income.

In response, Kopparberg "immediately suspended" its advertising on GB News, claiming a previous advert was used without "knowledge or consent".

Grolsch said it would do everything it could not to appear on GB News in the future. It added that it did not associate with platforms that opposed values of "inclusion and openness".

Nivea blamed media buying algorithms for automatically linking its adverts to the channel. It has suspended all advertising and will review the decision in three months' time.

Meanwhile, the Open University said advertising with GB News had been "paused with immediate effect", stating that no advertising was planned with the broadcaster

GB News is now facing an battle to keep other brands on side just days after attracting more than 250,000 viewers to its launch on Sunday despite technical problems.

Advertising sales for GB News are handled by Sky Media, the pay-TV giant's advertising arm that negotiates on behalf of its own channels as well as third parties such as Channel 5, FOX and MTV.

Sky Media's advertising campaigns commonly target specific audiences across a range of channels.

It is understood some brands have been linked to GB News as part of existing deals.

jfman 15-06-2021 16:16
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Capitalism is truly amazing stuff.

1andrew1 15-06-2021 16:17
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Well, if they do decide to make a film of The Play that Goes Wrong, they will know who to call. :D

Carth 15-06-2021 16:23
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Kopparberg, Grolsch, Nivea and the Open University pulling out . .

Leaving the way open for Peloton and Credit Score ads to move in and kill the channel off completely :D

papa smurf 15-06-2021 16:28
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Another stupid woke over reaction

Mick 15-06-2021 18:04
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Anybody who condones this type of behaviour by the leftist woke ****, is a moron.

jfman 15-06-2021 18:20
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It's the natural evolution of capitalism unfortunately. The two things you can do to effect change are either withhold your time or your money.

The former between falling union memberships, mortgages and giving folk a stake in/reliance upon (delete as preferable) the economy means everyone wants a wage. That leaves option two.

Now that major companies are under immense pressure in the social media era to be "seen" to do the right thing there's a desperation to react to bad PR. Even an extremely marginal drop in sales - in particular in covid times - is undesirable.

On the other side of the fence someone did try to encourage folk to turn over during the ads in the England game because of the "knee". Correctly concluding advertisers would be unhappy. The only minor problem was the Croatia game was on BBC but inevitably ITV will have a game and it's one way to leverage opinion.

Nobody wants bad PR - it's why the bookies plant stories about how much they are likely to lose if X happens. Free advertising and in a good light.

Mr K 15-06-2021 18:26
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36083289)
Anybody who condones this type of behaviour by the leftist woke ****, is a moron.
I condone it :D

Taf 15-06-2021 18:33
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I tried it just now. The sound is quiet and muffled, the picture hazy and washed-out.

Unwatchable.

jfman 15-06-2021 18:37
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083295)
I condone it :D
Well... ;)

Mick 15-06-2021 18:38
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083295)
I condone it :D
I had no doubt about the said shoe fitting your body of narrowmindedness. :dunce: :rolleyes:

1andrew1 15-06-2021 19:21
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36083300)
I tried it just now. The sound is quiet and muffled, the picture hazy and washed-out.

Unwatchable.
Come on, Taf, you can do it mate! Do what I did - just whack up the volume, change the colour settings and job's a good 'un. ;)

Carth 15-06-2021 19:24
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36083328)
Come on, Taf, you can do it mate! Do what I did - just whack up the volume, change the colour settings and job's a good 'un. ;)
It could just be his (indoor) aerial :D

1andrew1 15-06-2021 19:37
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Someone fell over or knocked something over at 7.33pm whilst Michelle was introducing the next guest.

Quite amusing, long may these added extras continue. :D

Mr K 15-06-2021 19:42
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36083338)
Someone fell over or knocked something over at 7.33pm whilst Michelle was introducing the next guest.

Quite amusing, long may these added extras continue. :D
You do know France v Germany is on tonight Andrew? Great for EU haters as one of them might lose....

(Granted, the pantomime on GB News does sound tempting ;))

Damien 15-06-2021 19:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36083300)
I tried it just now. The sound is quiet and muffled, the picture hazy and washed-out.

Unwatchable.
The picture quality is interesting. I wonder if they're cheaper cameras or it's a compressed feed. Part of the problem with the audio of remote reporters it's the sound is really compressed, I saw theories they're using a hotspot to deem it back to the studio.

Mr K 15-06-2021 21:28
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36083347)
The picture quality is interesting. I wonder if they're cheaper cameras or it's a compressed feed. Part of the problem with the audio of remote reporters it's the sound is really compressed, I saw theories they're using a hotspot to deem it back to the studio.
Their wardrobe department is also 'interesting'.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mouldysco...01184703078401

spankysmagicpian 15-06-2021 21:36
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Right. I'm wading in here (could be a long one)

If anyone feels the need to classify me then I'm pretty left with a bit of communism thrown in. Spent the mid 80s on picket lines and collecting for the miners. Been reading the Guardian for 40 years, hate Brexit (still) and the Daily Mail so I'm not on 'the political turn' :-D

I've dipped in and out of GB News since it started as it's a new channel and I am yet to see anything in the slightest that could be classed as far right or indeed classed as an British Fox News. Andrew Neil last night was even having a pop at Johnson. Caught some this morning and it was more 'This Morning' than anything else.

That Don Wootton is a complete idiot for a start but it doesn't make him a far right nutter (he might be as far as I know). You get idiots everywhere. I see it as bit of an LBC - pick and choose who you listen to / watch (for me - Mair, O'Brien, Abbot and Nawaz - speaking of which...I've heard more questions/monologues which could be classed as controversial by Majid Nawaz than on GB News. I don't see anyone boycotting LBC advertisers (not a criticism of Majid)). My overall impression is that (acknowledging the huge amount of technical hitches) that it's pretty bland TBH. I was expecting some hard hitting investigations and awkward questions to the people in power but as yet, it's failed to materialise. It certainly won't be my channel of choice.

OK - main point bearing in mind my comments above..what is HACKING ME OFF is this Twitterstorm re: advertisers.
I only joined Twitter in January to ask Aldi something (LOL) and I can't believe what I see. Is it like this all the time?

I wouldn't mind the Twitter people getting upset if GB News had been suggesting the gunning down of the migrants and the instant deportation of anyone with not at least 73% British DNA etc but from what I have seen there's been nothing of the sort. The only bit I have seen that could be controversial is the questioning re: lockdown / extending it / mask wearing which in a healthy democracy, questions and decisions should be raised from an opposite viewpoint. Keeps them on their toes. Just to add that opposing viewpoints are not necessarily correct but they should be aired.

Rallying against GB News is not a productive use of peoples time - same old story, people seem to be picking on something which in the big scheme of things is pretty insignificant. They should be utilising their efforts against all the agendas that this present Govt are slipping in under the radar or the more overt ones such as the Police Bill, NHS sharing of data etc. Before these complainers realise, they won't be able even to get upset on Twitter or the Internet as the ways things are going - that will be banned too. Priti will be watching....

1andrew1 15-06-2021 22:09
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Someone called Lady Campbell with a large dog on her lap talking about Meghan and Harry. A viewer back from work apologises for his attire and asks a question over video. Don Wootton poses a different question instead to Lady Campbell so the viewer's question remains unanswered.

Beats the own goal in the Euros!

papa smurf 15-06-2021 22:15
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36083357)
Someone called Lady Campbell with a large dog on her lap talking about Meghan and Harry. A viewer back from work apologises for his attire and asks a question over video. Don Wootton poses a different question instead to Lady Campbell so the viewer's question remains unanswered.

Beats the own goal in the Euros!
i don't wish to appear unkind but lady c is a nutcase:)

Mick 15-06-2021 22:30
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36083347)
The picture quality is interesting. I wonder if they're cheaper cameras or it's a compressed feed. Part of the problem with the audio of remote reporters it's the sound is really compressed, I saw theories they're using a hotspot to deem it back to the studio.
Compression or Audio limiting would solve their audio issues. I don’t think they are using any compression. As it stands, guests mics are sometimes too quiet or too loud that they distort, a audio compressor or limiter would stop these audio blips, as by design, these audio processors can make the output volume, sound loud and powerful, they also bring up low sounds and keep them at a constant level.

Radio stations use Compressors and limiters more aggressively, to get those punchy sub lows.

1andrew1 15-06-2021 22:51
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36083358)
i don't wish to appear unkind but lady c is a nutcase:)
They've got them all on this channel. Lady C tonight, Laurence Fox tomorrow night.

I shudder to think what guest Thursday night will bring, so I've just arranged a night out instead, to be on the safe side! :D

Chris 15-06-2021 23:02
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36083361)
Compression or Audio limiting would solve their audio issues. I don’t think they are using any compression. As it stands, guests mics are sometimes too quiet or too loud that they distort, a audio compressor or limiter would stop these audio blips, as by design, these audio processors can make the output volume, sound loud and powerful, they also bring up low sounds and keep them at a constant level.

Radio stations use Compressors and limiters more aggressively, to get those punchy sub lows.
Asking just about any church minister in the UK would solve their audio issues ... :D I’m getting better results from the open-source software on my decade-old iMac than I’ve just heard on the Andrew Neil clip a friend just sent me. Thanks to covid there are now amateur broadcasters all over the country, getting by on a weekly basis without any of the professional training, experience or equipment that GBN must surely have access to.

I completely agree that as a minimum they should be using the sort of compression and limiting measures you mentioned, but I fear whoever is in charge of the tech may not know how to use it properly. It’s really letting them down at the moment and it’s a tragedy.

Sephiroth 15-06-2021 23:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36083364)
They've got them all on this channel. Lady C tonight, Laurence Fox tomorrow night.

I shudder to think what guest Thursday night will bring, so I've just arranged a night out instead, to be on the safe side! :D
Laurence Fox's stand against woke-ism is creditable.

1andrew1 15-06-2021 23:20
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36083367)
Laurence Fox's stand against woke-ism is creditable.
I'm not sure where to begin with Laurence Fox so I shan't.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36083361)
Compression or Audio limiting would solve their audio issues. I don’t think they are using any compression. As it stands, guests mics are sometimes too quiet or too loud that they distort, a audio compressor or limiter would stop these audio blips, as by design, these audio processors can make the output volume, sound loud and powerful, they also bring up low sounds and keep them at a constant level.

Radio stations use Compressors and limiters more aggressively, to get those punchy sub lows.
GB News badly needs your technical expertise Mick! ;)

jfman 15-06-2021 23:23
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Oops Michelle Dewberry fell for the old “Mike Hunt” emailing/texting in.

Hugh 16-06-2021 09:04
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36083367)
Laurence Fox's stand against woke-ism is creditable.
Lozza Fox’s stand for free publicity is creditable in his ever-increasing frantic search for relevance - for someone whose identity is based around his being starved of a platform, Fox does seem to be everywhere… :D

Carth 16-06-2021 09:40
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I watched it briefly this morning, just to see what the fuss was all about.

First impression . . . why does it look like 4:3 at 640 x 480 resolution?

Then, after 5 minutes juggling with the volume control in order to hear both sides of a conversation, I turned it and the TV off.

Typical B movie quality, I'd guess the adverts would be better in quality and content but I wasn't hanging around to find out. :D

early days I guess

jonbxx 16-06-2021 09:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36083294)
It's the natural evolution of capitalism unfortunately. The two things you can do to effect change are either withhold your time or your money.

The former between falling union memberships, mortgages and giving folk a stake in/reliance upon (delete as preferable) the economy means everyone wants a wage. That leaves option two.

Now that major companies are under immense pressure in the social media era to be "seen" to do the right thing there's a desperation to react to bad PR. Even an extremely marginal drop in sales - in particular in covid times - is undesirable.

On the other side of the fence someone did try to encourage folk to turn over during the ads in the England game because of the "knee". Correctly concluding advertisers would be unhappy. The only minor problem was the Croatia game was on BBC but inevitably ITV will have a game and it's one way to leverage opinion.

Nobody wants bad PR - it's why the bookies plant stories about how much they are likely to lose if X happens. Free advertising and in a good light.
Companie aren't stupid. Marketing is expensive so you want to be sure you are getting the best possible impact for your budget. Pulling advertising from GB News is a marketing decision which could be based on two things;
  1. Your core customer base and potential new customers are not likely to watch GB News - if so advertising there is a waste of money
  2. There is a potential that what GB News stands for might rub off on your brand. You might lose customers who like GB News (cancel culture anyone?) but see point 1 - if the venn diagram of people who like fruit flavoured swedish ciders and GB news is pretty much two separate circles then you don't lose much by pulling adverts

Damien 16-06-2021 11:22
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Not a massive fan of media boycotts personally. I suspect companies pay too much attention to a very small but vocal group of people. It doesn't matter if it's 'Stop Funding Hate' putting pressure on companies to avoid GB News or if it's people not buying French wine/cheese/cars because Macron was mean. No one really knows it's happening let alone cares.

But I guess consumers are free to make purchasing decisions based on values/politics and companies are certainly going to be cautious of what associations they make.

Carth 16-06-2021 12:03
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36083426)
Not a massive fan of media boycotts personally. I suspect companies pay too much attention to a very small but vocal group of people. It doesn't matter if it's 'Stop Funding Hate' putting pressure on companies to avoid GB News or if it's people not buying French wine/cheese/cars because Macron was mean. No one really knows it's happening let alone cares.

But I guess consumers are free to make purchasing decisions based on values/politics and companies are certainly going to be cautious of what associations they make.
So true, the vast majority don't give a monkey's and will go for the cheapest and readiest available. Marketing people have to earn a living though, and will produce charts, data, and analysis to show what they want to push.

example: 70% of people asked would never buy a product tested on animals . . . in the small writing below that 'in a survey of 10 people'

Mr K 16-06-2021 12:05
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Never used IKEA or drunk grolsh/fruity cider. Might give
them a go now! They seem like nice people ;)

Pierre 16-06-2021 12:53
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36083403)
Lozza Fox’s stand for free publicity is creditable in his ever-increasing frantic search for relevance - for someone whose identity is based around his being starved of a platform, Fox does seem to be everywhere… :D
Well as seen as he has been cancelled out of is former acting career for speaking his own held views (which are shared by many others), he has to do something. So why not fight against the culture that cancelled him?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36083410)
Companie aren't stupid. Marketing is expensive so you want to be sure you are getting the best possible impact for your budget. Pulling advertising from GB News is a marketing decision which could be based on two things;
  1. Your core customer base and potential new customers are not likely to watch GB News - if so advertising there is a waste of money
  2. There is a potential that what GB News stands for might rub off on your brand. You might lose customers who like GB News (cancel culture anyone?) but see point 1 - if the venn diagram of people who like fruit flavoured swedish ciders and GB news is pretty much two separate circles then you don't lose much by pulling adverts
Trust me if GB news start pulling in numbers of viewers, advertisers will be more than happy to reach the audience.

Hugh 16-06-2021 13:14
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Any examples of where he was "cancelled out of is former acting career for speaking his own held views", please?

I can't find any evidence where he was turned down for jobs because of his views - it would appear that someone he appeared on a TV series with didn't want to associate with him, and his agent decided not to work with him, but besides that, can't find anything...

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/...culture-642794
Quote:
In text messages shared by Fox, Front told the actor politely that while she wishes him and his sons well, his insistence in using #AllLivesMatter over #BlackLivesMatter had “tipped [her] over the edge” and that she was “uncomfortable about the company you’re keeping”.

Fox tweeted the exchange and wrote: “This is the most painful cancellation I have had yet. From someone I spent 10 happy years working with, many lovely family dinners and lots and lots of laughs. Someone I thought was a friend.”

The actor has since apologised for making “a private conversation public just to make a point”, and Front has accepted the apology – but screenshots last forever.
The reason his agent may have dropped him may have been the fact he called people who disagreed with him "paedophiles"...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hone-call.html
Quote:
The controversial Lewis star said on Twitter that his agent 'let me go on the phone' in a move which reaffirmed 'exactly why I am doing what I’m doing'.

Last month, Fox was embroiled in bitter Twitter spats with a number of people who called him a 'racist'. He replied making unsubstantiated claims that they were 'paedophiles'. He later deleted the tweets.
Sounds like someone is trying to make a career out of something that didn't actually happen, just stoking up outrage to get money and publicity...

TheDaddy 16-06-2021 13:31
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36083442)
Any examples of where he was "cancelled out of is former acting career for speaking his own held views", please?

I can't find any evidence where he was turned down for jobs because of his views - it would appear that someone he appeared on a TV series with didn't want to associate with him, and his agent decided not to work with him, but besides that, can't find anything...

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/...culture-642794

The reason his agent may have dropped him may have been the fact he called people who disagreed with him "paedophiles"...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hone-call.html

Sounds like someone is trying to make a career out of something that didn't actually happen, just stoking up outrage to get money and publicity...
He sounds like a rather unpleasant snowflake to me

Carth 16-06-2021 13:44
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36083447)
He sounds like a rather unpleasant snowflake to me

There's been a few in the media spotlight recently ;)

Pierre 16-06-2021 14:06
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36083442)
Any examples of where he was "cancelled out of is former acting career for speaking his own held views", please?

I can't find any evidence where he was turned down for jobs because of his views - it would appear that someone he appeared on a TV series with didn't want to associate with him, and his agent decided not to work with him, but besides that, can't find anything...

https://inews.co.uk/opinion/comment/...culture-642794

The reason his agent may have dropped him may have been the fact he called people who disagreed with him "paedophiles"...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hone-call.html

Sounds like someone is trying to make a career out of something that didn't actually happen, just stoking up outrage to get money and publicity...
Well in tweets he was called a disgrace by “equity” and when equity apologised several of their race equality committee resigned.

https://news.sky.com/story/laurence-...grace-11957291

Bear in mind all he had said as this point was that he didn’t think the U.K. was racist towards Meghan.

And yes he was dropped by his agency, and I would suspect he’ll probably never be offered an acting job again.

Now post this incident I would agree he has double downed on everything and said several questionable things, and btw I am no fan of his and never actually seen him in anything.

But I do not believe this is how he wanted his future to pan out, I’m sure he would have been quite happy to stay as actor, he accepted an invitation to go on Question time, he was asked his opinion, he gave it. He was accused of being a white privileged male, which he is and he agreed, but I don’t see why that means he can’t have an opinion.

He was subsequently branded a racist, no evidence of that on QT, the Twitter sphere went into meltdown and he was toxic.

All because he had a valid opinion and expressed it, but if you think that’s all fine and that’s the kind of world you want to live in, you’re welcome to it

Hugh 16-06-2021 18:31
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
That’s an unwarranted assumption, not supported by anything I’ve posted, but if you think that’s all fine and that’s the kind of thing you want to post, you’re welcome to do so…

Pierre 16-06-2021 20:27
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36083491)
That’s an unwarranted assumption, not supported by anything I’ve posted, but if you think that’s all fine and that’s the kind of thing you want to post, you’re welcome to do so…
:tu:

Mick 16-06-2021 21:09
Re: GB News (New UK News channel coming soon)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36083491)
That’s an unwarranted assumption, not supported by anything I’ve posted, but if you think that’s all fine and that’s the kind of thing you want to post, you’re welcome to do so…
Problem is, you used a woke term to describe the channel before you had even seen any content on it, so the assumption is absolutely warranted.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36083431)
Never used IKEA or drunk grolsh/fruity cider. Might give
them a go now! They seem like nice people ;)
Yeah, they seem really nice, if you like spying on your staff that is...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-57482168

You always seem to side with the nasty folk, undemocratic folk. But then again, that's just how narrowmindedness works with your losing side doesn't it? :rolleyes:

Hugh 17-06-2021 09:19
Re: GB News
 
Huge difference between making a joke about a right-wing TV channel and thinking someone should be "cancelled" because of differing views.

That’s the problem with some right-wingers (and left, tbf) - they take any criticism, disagreements, or humour aimed at them as "cancel culture"; it’s ironic that those who often scream "snowflake" loudest, are often the largest ice crystals themselves..

Mick 17-06-2021 10:32
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36083551)
Huge difference between making a joke about a right-wing TV channel and thinking someone should be "cancelled" because of differing views.

That’s the problem with some right-wingers (and left, tbf) - they take any criticism, disagreements, or humour aimed at them as "cancel culture"; it’s ironic that those who often scream "snowflake" loudest, are often the largest ice crystals themselves..
Absolute bollocks.

Your response to Pierre was that you haven’t posted anything to rubbish the channel, and here you are several posts later, inferring that GBNews, is a right wing channel.

The channel is not right wing at all, bound by ofcom rules on impartiality, the difference between other news networks, GBNews is not afraid to speak more broadly about subjects.

Carth 17-06-2021 11:06
Re: GB News
 
To be honest, although I've hardly watched it, it's good to see a news program daring to step outside the 'safe ground' boundary and offer a different view.

It will attract criticism from some areas, much the same as other news outlets get criticised for sticking rigidly inside the safe boundaries.

News is news, it's like marmite ;)

nomadking 17-06-2021 12:02
Re: GB News
 
It was attracting criticism long before the 1st broadcast.
Link

Quote:
Stop Funding Hate was founded in 2016 by Richard Wilson, a Corbynist Remain campaigner, and Rosey Ellum, formerly a professional cat-sitter and charity worker who divides her political allegiances between Labour and the Green Party.
Unsurprisingly, given their pedigree, the organisation initially devoted its energies entirely to censoring popular newspapers which happened to support the Conservative Party.
Fast forward five years, and their current social media campaign is being run via the hashtag #Don'tFundGBNews.
The lobby group first tweeted on this front on February 6.
That was almost four months before the station had broadcast a single programme, and at a time when it had yet to even unveil its full roster of presenters.
Strange that only the woke are allowed to make "jokes" and have complaints about imaginary behaviour against them, taken as fact.

jfman 17-06-2021 12:08
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36083561)
Absolute bollocks.

Your response to Pierre was that you haven’t posted anything to rubbish the channel, and here you are several posts later, inferring that GBNews, is a right wing channel.

The channel is not right wing at all, bound by ofcom rules on impartiality, the difference between other news networks, GBNews is not afraid to speak more broadly about subjects.
Surely Channel 4 News can't be described as "left wing" by the same rationale?

Sephiroth 17-06-2021 13:19
Re: GB News
 
Have you noticed that the Breakfast Show female to the right of the main host is barely distinguishable because of the unsympathetic background. The BBC sometimes don't take care of this business properly too.

1andrew1 17-06-2021 14:37
Re: GB News
 
Watching an advert for Richmond's Irish sausages in between the usual programming. Trolling or a coincidence?

pip08456 18-06-2021 11:58
Re: GB News
 
Andrew Neil's response to advertisers boycott.

https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1405663636417396740

jfman 18-06-2021 12:06
Re: GB News
 
Must be too hot in the south of France for a suit jacket. If your shirt looked that bad and we’re going on telly you’d defo cover up.

Sephiroth 18-06-2021 12:13
Re: GB News
 

Looks like the advertisers will return to GB News. Paywall link + Quote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ycott-buy-ads/

Quote:
Moneysupermarket has become the first company to end a boycott of GB News as the price comparison website reversed a decision to "pause" advertising on the new Right-leaning channel.

A spokesman tweeted: "Just to confirm that Moneysupermarket is not boycotting its advertising on GB News, sorry for any confusion caused."

The company had tweeted on Wednesday: “We understand that there are strongly held views on both sides when it comes to this topic.

"Because GB News is such a new channel, we need time to fully understand it. With that in mind, we’ve decided to pause our ad slots pending a review.”

Ikea has also rowed back on a decision to ban its ads from appearing on the station.


Mick 18-06-2021 13:43
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36083761)

Looks like the advertisers will return to GB News. Paywall link + Quote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...ycott-buy-ads/
Of course - woke people are thankfully in the minority, trying to cancel everything they do not agree with. Trying to bully companies to cut off the money supply will not work, because normal, decent people will cancel out the noise from these mentally deranged folk, should companies go woke, they go broke.

1andrew1 18-06-2021 13:59
Re: GB News
 
Another GB News cracker, this time with a stepladder making a brief appearance! :D
https://twitter.com/tonymc39/status/1405634952893509638

Hugh 27-06-2021 17:03
Re: GB News
 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/14...ndrew-Neil-evg

Quote:
GB News viewing figures: Week two update as ratings PLUMMET amid 'establishment' rivalry

GB NEWS debuted just two weeks ago promising to punch a hole in the British media landscape, offering a lineup that splits from the status quo. But at the end of this week, their dream appears to be steadily trickling away…

…Victoria Derbyshire posted the latest viewing figures - which cover up to June 24.

They show GB News programmes currently can't break past the 50,000 viewer mark, while the BBC and ITV attract millions.

Audience figures for Thursday programmes by Media Monitoring Services show the following totals:

BBC News at Ten: 3.6 million
BBC News 1pm: 2.4 million
ITV News at Ten: 1.5 million
BBC Breakfast: 1.4 million
BBC Question Time: 1.3 million
Good Morning Britain: 717,000
BBC News 9am: 294,000
BBC Newsnight: 286,000
Kay Burley, Sky: 54,000
Sky News Ian King: 42,000
Great British Breakfast on GB News: 32,000
Andrew Neil: 31,000
GB News DePerio & Halligan 16,000
GB News Brazier & Muroki: 11,000

jfman 27-06-2021 17:12
Re: GB News
 
More viewers for Welsh language Paw Patrol on S4C. And probably more adult discourse.

Damien 27-06-2021 17:20
Re: GB News
 
Those are poor numbers for GB News.

Andrew Neil has stepped away for a few weeks from his show as well. Odd time to do it so hopefully it isn't health-related and really is just a holiday.

Sephiroth 27-06-2021 19:04
Re: GB News
 
Possibly gone off to grow a neck.

Itshim 27-06-2021 19:07
Re: GB News
 
Please can we have a news channel that gives news not opinions ,spats ,what he , she ,they should have done. Or a plug for book , film etc. Harping back to Euronews with no comment . Or does it still broadcast in that format ?

Chris 27-06-2021 19:39
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36084566)
More viewers for Welsh language Paw Patrol on S4C. And probably more adult discourse.
Patrôl Pawennau, diolch yn fawr. ;)

RichardCoulter 27-06-2021 19:58
Re: GB News
 
They might have had more success reopening S4C 2 instead :erm:

jfman 27-06-2021 21:00
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084578)
Possibly gone off to grow a neck.
Or a spine.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36084579)
Please can we have a news channel that gives news not opinions ,spats ,what he , she ,they should have done. Or a plug for book , film etc. Harping back to Euronews with no comment . Or does it still broadcast in that format ?
Making quality news costs more money than having live talking heads.

1andrew1 27-06-2021 21:10
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36084578)
Possibly gone off to grow a neck.
Gone round the funders with his begging bowl again. ;)

Unfortunately for GB News, key investor Discovery will now be part of a group which includes CNN, making GB News potentially superfluous to it.

Julian 27-06-2021 22:40
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36084600)
Gone round the funders with his begging bowl again. ;)

Unfortunately for GB News, key investor Discovery will now be part of a group which includes CNN, making GB News potentially superfluous to it.
That would be relevant if cnn was a UK news channel ?

Having said that what is most revealing from figures posted is that over 80% of the population don’t watch news channels.

Couple that with the pathetic circulation figures of printed media and it’s quite clear Joe Public royally don’t give one for “news”

Or more likely don’t trust or believe any of it…..

pip08456 27-06-2021 22:53
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36084607)
That would be relevant if cnn was a UK news channel ?

Having said that what is most revealing from figures posted is that over 80% of the population don’t watch news channels.

Couple that with the pathetic circulation figures of printed media and it’s quite clear Joe Public royally don’t give one for “news”

Or more likely don’t trust or believe any of it…..
I think the second option is the most likely Julian.

1andrew1 27-06-2021 23:26
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36084607)
That would be relevant if cnn was a UK news channel ?
If Warner Bros Discovery is serious about a news service for the UK, it would make more sense now to expand CNN into the UK than invest in a separate entity.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36084607)
Having said that what is most revealing from figures posted is that over 80% of the population don’t watch news channels.

Couple that with the pathetic circulation figures of printed media and it’s quite clear Joe Public royally don’t give one for “news”

Or more likely don’t trust or believe any of it…..
This is 2021 and the Internet is the place people go for news in the UK.
https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bigge...es-april-2020/

Carth 28-06-2021 00:15
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36084610)
This is 2021 and the Internet is the place people go for news in the UK.
Let me just narrow that down a little for you . .

This is 2021, Twitter & Facebook are the places people go for juicy gossip in the UK

;) :D

1andrew1 28-06-2021 10:52
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36084615)
Let me just narrow that down a little for you . .

This is 2021, Twitter & Facebook are the places people go for juicy gossip in the UK

;) :D
Generic gossip, perhaps. But in terms of breaking important stories, it's still the traditional media particularly well-resourced papers/websites like The Sun and The Guardian that deliver important exclusives. As we saw this weekend.

Imagine the impact on GB News's viewing figures if they had had the Hancock story first.

Mick 28-06-2021 14:16
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36084569)
Those are poor numbers for GB News.

Andrew Neil has stepped away for a few weeks from his show as well. Odd time to do it so hopefully it isn't health-related and really is just a holiday.
Neil said from the outset that it would not be a rolling news channel, however, I think that is a mistake, even if it just allocated specific times of the day to rolling news, or have top of the hour bulletins for 15 minutes and then it can choose to discuss elements of those topics brought up after within the same hour.

OLD BOY 28-06-2021 20:55
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36084644)
Neil said from the outset that it would not be a rolling news channel, however, I think that is a mistake, even if it just allocated specific times of the day to rolling news, or have top of the hour bulletins for 15 minutes and then it can choose to discuss elements of those topics brought up after within the same hour.
Yes, I agree with that assessment.

Mick 28-06-2021 22:05
Re: GB News
 
Former Boris Mistress on GB News right now lol: Petronella Wyatt.

Pierre 28-06-2021 22:17
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36084728)
Petronella Wyatt.
Lovely girl, very good at warding off mosquitoes.

Hugh 28-06-2021 22:19
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36084732)
Lovely girl, very good at warding off mosquitoes.
Thought that was her sister…

1andrew1 28-06-2021 22:28
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36084734)
Thought that was her sister…
There's a good match in extra time over on ITV!

Sephiroth 28-06-2021 22:46
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36084737)
There's a good match in extra time over on ITV!
Macron must be shitting himself! Trouble is France are likely to do better than Switzerland on penalties. I hope not, of course.


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Oh yes!

papa smurf 29-06-2021 08:09
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36084728)
Former Boris Mistress on GB News right now lol: Petronella Wyatt.
How many bottles of wine did she have before the interview;)

Damien 29-06-2021 09:56
Re: GB News
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36084644)
Neil said from the outset that it would not be a rolling news channel, however, I think that is a mistake, even if it just allocated specific times of the day to rolling news, or have top of the hour bulletins for 15 minutes and then it can choose to discuss elements of those topics brought up after within the same hour.
I think the problem is there doesn't seem to be much of a market for an opinion-led news channel on British Television. It's the type of thing people get on YouTube or other social media.

I know they want to clip their segments for social media but they're doing so at the cost of a major operation whereas YouTube channels are usually a freelance presenter with a camera. Those YouTube channels will get more views as well.

I can't see how GB News is viable in the long term unless they turn this around. They're getting fewer people than Sky News and Sky News runs at a loss subsidised by the wider Sky Television offering. GB News needs to be profitable in it's own right.


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