Cable Forum
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Show 100 post(s) from this thread on one page

Cable Forum (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/index.php)
-   Current Affairs (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/forumdisplay.php?f=20)
-   -   Dominic Cummings has resigned (https://www.cableforum.uk/board/showthread.php?t=33709507)

Hugh 27-04-2021 19:04
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078098)
But I'm pretty sure that most of us bust the rules at one tine or another and were never challenged.

I hate to see people pilloried unless they do something extraordinarily wrong.


---------- Post added at 13:16 ---------- Previous post was at 13:13 ----------



Sorry, Andrew. Yours is a vacuous statement.
So you think it’s OK that he drove to Barnard Castle to "test his eyesight", putting his wife, child, other road users, and pedestrians at risk if it wasn’t? Or do you think that "he followed the instincts of every father and every parent and don’t mark him down for that"?

---------- Post added at 19:04 ---------- Previous post was at 19:03 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078117)
Then there is Matthew 7:
Oh, boy, this should be interesting - trading biblical quotes with a religious scholar... :D

Sephiroth 27-04-2021 19:15
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078118)
So you think it’s OK that he drove to Barnard Castle to "test his eyesight", putting his wife, child, other road users, and pedestrians at risk if it wasn’t? Or do you think that "he followed the instincts of every father and every parent and don’t mark him down for that"?
<SNIP>

Do you think that I think it's OK that he drove to Barnard Castle, etc.?

I was addressing the matter of pillorying a man for doing stuff that others do in one form or another and for one reason or another.

Mad Max 27-04-2021 19:23
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36078116)
And you would be right. It is a central tenet of our Judeo-Christian culture that those in authority are to be judged more harshly. ;) Bible verses available on request. :D

Guys, we ain't all religious, I had to look that up to see what it meant.:D

Hugh 27-04-2021 19:34
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078120)

Do you think that I think it's OK that he drove to Barnard Castle, etc.?

I was addressing the matter of pillorying a man for doing stuff that others do in one form or another and for one reason or another.
I can only go on what you post, and you are defending him...

It’s not black and white - there’s an enormous difference between Joe Public going to the corner shop, and one of the most influential political aides in the country driving 250 miles, when he was massively involved in drawing up the guidelines and restrictions.

It’s why someone shoplifting would be treated differently from a Police Officer robbing a bank - there’s a difference in scale, and the fact that those in authority and in positions of power should be held to higher standards.

Sephiroth 27-04-2021 19:40
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078123)
I can only go on what you post, and you are defending him...

It’s not black and white - there’s an enormous difference between Joe Public going to the corner shop, and one of the most influential political aides in the country driving 250 miles, when he was massively involved in drawing up the guidelines and restrictions.

It’s why someone shoplifting would be treated differently from a Police Officer robbing a bank - there’s a difference in scale, and the fact that those in authority and in positions of power should be held to higher standards.
Quote:
I can only go on what you post, and you are defending him
Then read what I wrote properly. I never defended him. I was in "cast the first stone" mode, obviously. Then you concocted a whole load of diatribe as to what you surmised I supported in Cummings' behaviour.

Quote:
It’s not black and white - there’s an enormous difference between Joe Public going to the corner shop, and one of the most influential political aides in the country driving 250 miles, when he was massively involved in drawing up the guidelines and restrictions.
I refer you to Matthew 7.

Quote:
It’s why someone shoplifting would be treated differently from a Police Officer robbing a bank - there’s a difference in scale, and the fact that those in authority and in positions of power should be held to higher standards.
Don't you see that those who are judging him are having a feast?

Hugh 27-04-2021 20:10
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078124)


Then read what I wrote properly. I never defended him. I was in "cast the first stone" mode, obviously. Then you concocted a whole load of diatribe as to what you surmised I supported in Cummings' behaviour.



I refer you to Matthew 7.


Don't you see that those who are judging him are having a feast?
if your defence on defending Cummings is saying you didn’t defend him, when you actually said "he didn’t do anything that most of us haven’t done", when most of us haven’t driven 250 miles against the guidance of the time, it’s not the defence you think it is, because in real life, the scale and magnitude of an offence makes a difference - if you drive at twice the speed limit, your punishment is more than if you drive five miles over the limit. Also, U.K. sentencing guidelines state set out different levels of sentence based on how blameworthy the offender is (referred to in the guidelines as ‘culpability’).

Paul 27-04-2021 20:16
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Good grief, who the hell cares if he made a comment or not.

I dare anyone anywhere to state they have never made a flippent comment at one time or another or said they will do something they clearly wont really do ("I'll kill you if you do that" is a common one). No such policy was implemented, bodies did not pile high, we had 3 lockdowns.

Its just more mud slinging for the sake of mud slinging.

1andrew1 27-04-2021 22:52
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Tory donor who paid for PM’s Downing Street refurb won lucrative public contracts worth up to £120m

LONDON (Bywire News) - The Conservative Party donor who paid £58,000 so Boris Johnson could refurbish his Downing Street flat is the founder of a company who may have benefitted from lucrative public contracts worth up to a staggering £120m, it can be revealed....

According to the government’s official public contract finder website, on May the 3rd, 2017 Huntswood CTC were awarded a public contract alongside 36 other firms as part of a framework agreement worth between £60-£120m in total...

There is no suggestion that Huntswood CTC acted illegally or improperly in order to win the public contracts nor is there any suggestion that Lord Brownlow has acted illegally or improperly in donating to the Conservative Party or founding a company that has won government contracts. This article is merely drawing attention to our readers of a potential conflict of interest which is clearly in the public interest and may be of value to any future investigations into public contractual procurement and political donations.
https://bywire.news/articles/tory-do...p-to-pound120m
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078098)
Sorry, Andrew. Yours is a vacuous statement.
You think the bodies look nice? :shocked:

Sephiroth 27-04-2021 23:38
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078158)
https://americanlibrariesmagazine.or...ence-book-deal

---------- Post added at 22:52 ---------- Previous post was at 22:48 ----------


You think the bodies look nice? :shocked:
It was vacuous at the time. If my remark sent you scurrying off to find the dirt, then my remark served its purpose.

---------- Post added at 23:38 ---------- Previous post was at 23:35 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078128)
if your defence on defending Cummings is saying you didn’t defend him, when you actually said "he didn’t do anything that most of us haven’t done", when most of us haven’t driven 250 miles against the guidance of the time, it’s not the defence you think it is, because in real life, the scale and magnitude of an offence makes a difference - if you drive at twice the speed limit, your punishment is more than if you drive five miles over the limit. Also, U.K. sentencing guidelines state set out different levels of sentence based on how blameworthy the offender is (referred to in the guidelines as ‘culpability’).
You're losing the argument. We've moved from his Barnard Castle 'sin' to the 250 miles from London 'sin'.

1andrew1 28-04-2021 00:03
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078160)
It was vacuous at the time. If my remark sent you scurrying off to find the dirt, then my remark served its purpose.
The dirt's been there well before BoJo was PM. The very public falling-out between Cummings and BoJo is bringing the recent stuff to the surface. Michael Gove's favourite tabloid is serving it up daily.

Hugh 28-04-2021 00:55
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078160)
It was vacuous at the time. If my remark sent you scurrying off to find the dirt, then my remark served its purpose.

---------- Post added at 23:38 ---------- Previous post was at 23:35 ----------



You're losing the argument. We've moved from his Barnard Castle 'sin' to the 250 miles from London 'sin'.
He’s capable of more than one sin, and, to be fair, they were parallel, not serial... ;)

And as I mentioned both previously at the same time...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36077993)
Pretty sure most of us didn't take a test drive with our families to check our eyesight, or drive over 250 miles to self-isolate...

Chris 28-04-2021 07:53
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078117)
Then there is Matthew 7:
If I wasn’t in the middle of finishing my final assignment for my theology degree, I’d take some time here to explain all the ways you’re doing it wrong. But I am in the middle of finishing my theology degree, so I won’t. Plus, we’re veering off the topic.

Suffice it to say that the Bible is not a rule book. It does present a rule for life, but that’s not the same thing, and living by it can’t be achieved by quoting individual verses out of context. The Sermon on the Mount, from which you are quoting, is a great example of that, because if you try to follow it like a list of rules it’s impossible to achieve.

If you did try to do it that way, then a fully Christianised culture of the sort you have argued we are, would have reacted to Matthew 5:38-40 by closing down its courts: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.” Yet no country in Christendom ever did so, and quite rightly because despite first appearances, judicial process is not what’s in view here.

Jesus’ rule of live is brilliant, the absolute best, and I’m delighted you’re attentive to it, but a rule of life, and a list of rules, are not the same thing. The Sermon on the Mount is the former.

1andrew1 28-04-2021 09:19
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36078171)
If I wasn’t in the middle of finishing my final assignment for my theology degree, I’d take some time here to explain all the ways you’re doing it wrong.
The Tim Vine joke about crime in multi-story car parks probably sums it up!

PMQs today should be interesting.

Carth 28-04-2021 10:29
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078175)

PMQs today should be interesting.

Why . . . is Sephiroth attending? ;) :D

Hugh 28-04-2021 11:01
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36078178)
Why . . . is Sephiroth attending? ;) :D
In spirit... ;)

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/04/3.jpg

Sephiroth 28-04-2021 11:10
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36078171)
If I wasn’t in the middle of finishing my final assignment for my theology degree, I’d take some time here to explain all the ways you’re doing it wrong. But I am in the middle of finishing my theology degree, so I won’t. Plus, we’re veering off the topic.

Suffice it to say that the Bible is not a rule book. It does present a rule for life, but that’s not the same thing, and living by it can’t be achieved by quoting individual verses out of context. The Sermon on the Mount, from which you are quoting, is a great example of that, because if you try to follow it like a list of rules it’s impossible to achieve.

If you did try to do it that way, then a fully Christianised culture of the sort you have argued we are, would have reacted to Matthew 5:38-40 by closing down its courts: “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well.” Yet no country in Christendom ever did so, and quite rightly because despite first appearances, judicial process is not what’s in view here.

Jesus’ rule of live is brilliant, the absolute best, and I’m delighted you’re attentive to it, but a rule of life, and a list of rules, are not the same thing. The Sermon on the Mount is the former.
First, I hope you sail through your theology degree.
As regards whether or not Cummings should be held to a higher standard than the public at large, I think you've failed to prove your case.

Earlier, you prayed the bible in aid to make the case for Judeo-Christian culture holding the likes of Cummings to greater account than ordinary people. Where the bible supports this notion is in relation to "teachers", who were Rabbis seeking directly to preach/influence the people. That is not relevant to a civil servant in the UK.

In your latest response, you appear to row back and say that the bible is not a rule book. Then why did you try and make the case against Cummings in the first place?

By contrast, Matthew 7 covers my point exactly in nearly plain English. "Do not judge, or you too will be judged".


---------- Post added at 11:09 ---------- Previous post was at 11:06 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36078178)
Why . . . is Sephiroth attending? ;) :D
Bless you!

---------- Post added at 11:10 ---------- Previous post was at 11:09 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078181)
To quote from your signature:

Quote:
There is always light.
If only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.

Pierre 28-04-2021 12:23
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36078130)
Good grief, who the hell cares if he made a comment or not.

I dare anyone anywhere to state they have never made a flippent comment at one time or another or said they will do something they clearly wont really do ("I'll kill you if you do that" is a common one). No such policy was implemented, bodies did not pile high, we had 3 lockdowns.

Its just more mud slinging for the sake of mud slinging.
I would suggest that the majority of people outside of Westminster really couldn't give a toss, and after the last 14 months, is this what our elected representatives think we want them to spending time on!

1andrew1 28-04-2021 13:01
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
No wonder BoJo was rattled in PMQs and avoided the question.

Quote:
Watchdog to investigate PM's flat renovations

The watchdog has been in contact with the Conservative Party since March over works the PM carried out to No 11.

But it has now announced it is "satisfied that there are reasonable grounds to suspect that an offence or offences may have occurred".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56915307

Mr K 28-04-2021 16:30
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Boris Johnson will have the final say on whether he breached the ministerial code over the Downing Street flat, Number 10 has revealed.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ies-flat-pmqs/
Now there's a surprise !

What beats me is why he needs a loan of a few quid for a bit of painting ; His net worth is estimated at £3million. Maybe thats his escape fund for when he needs to flee the authorities/country?

papa smurf 28-04-2021 16:35
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36078208)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ies-flat-pmqs/
Now there's a surprise !

What beats me is why he needs a loan of a few quid for a bit of painting ; His net worth is estimated at £3million. Maybe thats his escape fund for when he needs to flee the authorities/country?
It's a lot of fuss over a lick of paint and a few rolls of wallpaper, but he should resign if the wallpaper clashes with the cushions.

Russ 28-04-2021 16:51
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36078182)

By contrast, Matthew 7 covers my point exactly in nearly plain English. "[I]Do not judge, or you too will be judged
Fun fact: that line is often misunderstood. It's not saying you mustn't judge.

It means you will be judged on the same basis that you did it. Judge fairly and you'll receive the same.

Judge with prejudice and that's what you'll get in return.

But Chris will be able to explain it far better than I.

But...Boris eh? What a character! I bet he's a right laugh! He's just a harmless bumbling idiot, and he loves a pint!

There's no way on earth it's all a front to hide a lying, self-centred, manipulative, Machiavellian narcissistic personality that cannot be trusted, right?

jonbxx 28-04-2021 16:59
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
In a Coronavirus/Dominic Cummings thread crossover, what's the betting on removing some COVID restrictions early to move the news cycle on a bit.

'Hey, look over here, you can to go the pub now, no need to worry about who paid for my wallpaper...'

Hugh 28-04-2021 17:24
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078209)
It's a lot of fuss over a lick of paint and a few rolls of wallpaper, but he should resign if the wallpaper clashes with the cushions.
Well, at £840 a roll... :shocked:

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...evamp-20480222

Mr K 28-04-2021 17:39
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078219)
What if that little nipper crayons on it?!

God help him as Carrie bollistic when Bozza spilt some wine on the sofa. The police were called out....
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...-johnsons-home

1andrew1 28-04-2021 19:10
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36078208)
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ies-flat-pmqs/
Now there's a surprise !

What beats me is why he needs a loan of a few quid for a bit of painting ; His net worth is estimated at £3million. Maybe thats his escape fund for when he needs to flee the authorities/country?
The suggestion is that it originally was a gift but after Cummings' allegations, it was repaid to become a loan.

Sephiroth 28-04-2021 19:25
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36078221)
What if that little nipper crayons on it?!

<SNIP>
My little 18 month grandson crayoned on the armchair.
His mum(my daughter) shouted him; he dashed into the kitchen, picked up a pair of his dad's underpants waiting to be washed, and then tried to clean the crayon off.

His mum melted.

Mad Max 28-04-2021 19:52
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Jeezo the lefties are out in force today.:D

1andrew1 28-04-2021 20:13
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
John Lewis on form today :D
Quote:
Time for an interiors refresh? We pride our Home Design Service on having something for *almost* everyone.
Quote:
Good thing we have a recycling service for old pre-loved furniture
https://twitter.com/JohnLewisRetail

Hugh 28-04-2021 21:27
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mad max (Post 36078234)
jeezo the lefties are out in force today.:d

да товарищ

Damien 28-04-2021 21:36
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
I don't understand why people are so keen to defend politicians. These people aren't your mates and you have more in common with other ordinary citizens than you do Boris Johnson. If he is behaving badly in office it's a negative to the country and therefore you.

papa smurf 28-04-2021 21:38
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36078249)
I don't understand why people are so keen to defend politicians. These people aren't your mates and you have more in common with other ordinary citizens than you do Boris Johnson. If he is behaving badly in office it's a negative to the country and therefore you.
you sound like a lefty;)

1andrew1 28-04-2021 21:46
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36078249)
I don't understand why people are so keen to defend politicians. These people aren't your mates and you have more in common with other ordinary citizens than you do Boris Johnson. If he is behaving badly in office it's a negative to the country and therefore you.
A patriotic Brit should want sound governance that the rest of the world looks up to. They should hold politicians to account and not give them a free pass because they voted for them.

Mad Max 28-04-2021 22:12
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078248)
да товарищ
:rolleyes:

Hugh 28-04-2021 22:21
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36078256)
:rolleyes:
I learned the language when I was in the RAF - so we could keep an eye/ear on proper lefties… ;)

papa smurf 29-04-2021 08:07
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078258)
I learned the language when I was in the RAF - so we could keep an eye/ear on proper lefties… ;)
Harold Wilson?

Sephiroth 29-04-2021 08:52
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078118)
<SNIP>


---------- Post added at 19:04 ---------- Previous post was at 19:03 ----------

Oh, boy, this should be interesting - trading biblical quotes with a religious scholar... :D
.... you were saying?.....

Mr K 29-04-2021 08:58
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
This guy seem to have summed up the situation nicely...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rp1FIbBEoWw

Maggy 29-04-2021 09:02
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36078249)
I don't understand why people are so keen to defend politicians. These people aren't your mates and you have more in common with other ordinary citizens than you do Boris Johnson. If he is behaving badly in office it's a negative to the country and therefore you.
:tu::clap:

---------- Post added at 09:00 ---------- Previous post was at 08:58 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078250)
you sound like a lefty;)
So? It's not actually a crime.Pity lying to Parliament isn't a crime though.

---------- Post added at 09:02 ---------- Previous post was at 09:00 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36078210)
Fun fact: that line is often misunderstood. It's not saying you mustn't judge.

It means you will be judged on the same basis that you did it. Judge fairly and you'll receive the same.

Judge with prejudice and that's what you'll get in return.

But Chris will be able to explain it far better than I.

But...Boris eh? What a character! I bet he's a right laugh! He's just a harmless bumbling idiot, and he loves a pint!

There's no way on earth it's all a front to hide a lying, self-centred, manipulative, Machiavellian narcissistic personality that cannot be trusted, right?
Well put.:tu:

Paul 29-04-2021 15:50
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Posts removed, stop with the silly arguments with each other.

Hugh 30-04-2021 11:12
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
The John Lewis Christmas Ad has leaked *very* early this year. (from @smartestgiant on twitter)

Mr K 30-04-2021 11:23
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Wallpapers all very good until it comes to getting the blasted stuff off. Took me 10 years to finally remove it all from my mansion and paint.
Has Boris considered this?

Mad Max 30-04-2021 16:25
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36078418)
Wallpapers all very good until it comes to getting the blasted stuff off. Took me 10 years to finally remove it all from my mansion and paint.
Has Boris considered this?
Couldn't agree more, I'd never use wallpaper again.

1andrew1 30-04-2021 23:16
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
The sleaze surrounding BoJo has so far only had a minor impact on polling.

Quote:
NEW Survation for @DailyMailUK
Westminster Voting Intention:

CONSERVATIVE 39% (-1)
LABOUR 38% (+4)
LIBERAL DEMOCRATS 9% (-)
GREEN PARTY 6% (-1)
SNP 4% (-)
OTHER 5% (-2)
https://twitter.com/Survation/status...38075671859204

GrimUpNorth 30-04-2021 23:18
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078474)
The sleaze surrounding BoJo has so far only had a minor impact on polling.


https://twitter.com/Survation/status...38075671859204
I'm sure the Sunday papers will have a good supply of mud to hand.

1andrew1 01-05-2021 00:01
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36078475)
I'm sure the Sunday papers will have a good supply of mud to hand.
For sure. ;)

---------- Post added 01-05-2021 at 00:01 ---------- Previous post was 30-04-2021 at 23:41 ----------

Did this type of heads-in-the-trough sleaze and lying to the Speaker happen in governments like Blair's and Thatcher's and just passed me by?

It seems quite overwhelming to me at the moment but am I just especially aware of it more as we have the Internet?

Carth 01-05-2021 10:56
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078477)
Did this type of heads-in-the-trough sleaze and lying to the Speaker happen in governments like Blair's and Thatcher's and just passed me by?

It seems quite overwhelming to me at the moment but am I just especially aware of it more as we have the Internet?
I think you just go looking for it more Andrew, simply because Boris commited the outrageous act of 'getting brexit done' . . . which has set you off on a crusade.

Let it go mate, relax a little, eat some Norwegian fish or something ;)

Hugh 01-05-2021 11:04
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36078500)
I think you just go looking for it more Andrew, simply because Boris commited the outrageous act of 'getting brexit done' . . . which has set you off on a crusade.

Let it go mate, relax a little, eat some Norwegian fish or something ;)
And it's quite sad that you appear willing to overlook potential breaches of the law on political funding, the Ministerial Code, and Members Interest Register, because he got "Brexit done". :(

He still hasn't clarified who paid for his £15k holiday in Mustique yet...
Quote:
The PM recorded the holiday in the register of MPs’ interests last year, stating the break came courtesy of Carphone Warehouse founder David Ross, who owns a holiday villa on the island.

A spokesman for Mr Ross, a long-time Tory donor, initially told the Mail that the tycoon had not paid for the trip, describing the claim as a ‘mistake’. They later backtracked, saying Mr Ross had ‘facilitated’ the holiday in December 2019.

GrimUpNorth 01-05-2021 11:04
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36078477)
For sure. ;)

---------- Post added 01-05-2021 at 00:01 ---------- Previous post was 30-04-2021 at 23:41 ----------

Did this type of heads-in-the-trough sleaze and lying to the Speaker happen in governments like Blair's and Thatcher's and just passed me by?

It seems quite overwhelming to me at the moment but am I just especially aware of it more as we have the Internet?
Well there was the expenses scandal which was rife during the Blair government - pretty sleazy as far as I'm concerned. The Westland affair may not have been particularly sleazy but it showed some of the Thatcher government in a different light.

Have a read about John Poulson, he seemed up to his neck in good old cross-party sleaze in the 1950's & 60's.

So I think it's been going on for years in one form or another, it just easier and quicker to get revenge these days.

Carth 01-05-2021 11:23
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078501)
And it's quite sad that you appear willing to overlook potential breaches of the law on political funding, the Ministerial Code, and Members Interest Register, because he got "Brexit done". :(

He still hasn't clarified who paid for his £15k holiday in Mustique yet...

aah yes, I'd forgotten you also batted for their side :p:

papa smurf 01-05-2021 12:02
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36078507)
aah yes, I'd forgotten you also batted for their side :p:


it blinds them to the facts don't ya know ;)

Hugh 01-05-2021 16:03
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36078507)
aah yes, I'd forgotten you also batted for their side :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078517)
[/B]

it blinds them to the facts don't ya know ;)
Thats an interesting perspective - looking at evidence and facts makes you "left-wing"?

Unfortunately, reality doesn’t back up your perception - I am ex-military (not a group renowned for its left wing bias), I was an active Conservative Party member for over 25 years, was an Area Vice-Chair of the Young Conservatives, attended around 15 Conservative Party Conferences, was an Officer in our Local Conservative Committee for 10 years, was a Council Candidate three times, was on the Conservative Parliamentary Parliamentary Candidates list, and was a Researcher for my Conservative MP, so "left wing" I’m not…

I’ve never voted Labour (New or otherwise) in my life.

papa smurf 01-05-2021 16:21
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078542)
Thats an interesting perspective - looking at evidence and facts makes you "left-wing"?

Unfortunately, reality doesn’t back up your perception - I am ex-military (not a group renowned for its left wing bias), I was an active Conservative Party member for over 25 years, was an Area Vice-Chair of the Young Conservatives, attended around 15 Conservative Party Conferences, was an Officer in our Local Conservative Committee for 10 years, was a Council Candidate three times, was on the Conservative Parliamentary Parliamentary Candidates list, and was a Researcher for my Conservative MP, so "left wing" I’m not…

I’ve never voted Labour (New or otherwise) in my life.
And who suggested that?

Carth 01-05-2021 17:04
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078544)
And who suggested that?
exactly :Yes:

Hugh 01-05-2021 17:21
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Who’s "the other side"?

Those who believe in following the rules and not breaking the law?

Happy to "bat for their side’… :D

papa smurf 01-05-2021 17:25
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078547)
Who’s "the other side"?

Those who believe in following the rules and not breaking the law?
Remainers as far as i am aware.

Carth 01-05-2021 23:14
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
See . . even Papa gets it (no offence shipmate) ;)

1andrew1 01-05-2021 23:59
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Hope BoJo got mates' rates, even if his mates initially paid for it. ;)
Quote:
Director of firm behind Boris Johnson's flat refurb a Brexit-backing Tory donor

EXCLUSIVE: William Hobhouse and his wife Kate were major shareholders in Lulu Lytle's firm Soane Britain Ltd - who supplied the £800-a-roll gold wallpaper for Boris Johnson's No10 flat upgrade

A director of the design firm behind Boris Johnson’s controversial flat makeover is a Brexit-backing tycoon who gave tens of thousands of pounds to the Tories.

William Hobhouse, 64, and his heiress wife Kate, 58, were major shareholders in interior design guru Lulu Lytle’s firm Soane Britain Ltd.

Soane supplied the £800-a-roll gold wallpaper chosen by Mr Johnson’s fiancée Carrie Symonds for their £200,000 Downing Street revamp.

But in February, as “Wallpapergate” questions were surfacing about who paid for the refurb, entrepreneur Mr Hobhouse quit his role with Soane Ltd after six years.

And no trace of his links to Soane – which were previously unknown – now appear on his online CV. A former church volunteer, he has a range of business interests – including a raunchy online underwear firm.

Between them, the Hobhouses had donated over £200,000 to the Tory Party and Vote Leave campaigns.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...paign=sharebar

---------- Post added at 23:59 ---------- Previous post was at 23:57 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078548)
Remainers as far as i am aware.
Remainers now means remain outside the EU doesn't it?

TheDaddy 02-05-2021 00:38
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078548)
Remainers as far as i am aware.
Still fighting the brexit battle, I thought you'd have got over winning by now and just because he was on your side for that doesn't mean you have swear fielty to him forevermore, you owe him nothing

papa smurf 02-05-2021 07:59
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36078589)
Still fighting the brexit battle, I thought you'd have got over winning by now and just because he was on your side for that doesn't mean you have swear fielty to him forevermore, you owe him nothing
It's like the lottery, would you ever get over winning it, you're sat in front of the telly and in comes the last two numbers 48 and 52 and your life changes ;)

Mr K 02-05-2021 08:11
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078593)
It's like the lottery, would you ever get over winning it, you're sat in front of the telly and in comes the last two numbers 48 and 52 and your life changes ;)
How is life different in Cleethorpes? Did it have a fishing industry?

papa smurf 02-05-2021 08:14
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36078594)
How is life different in Cleethorpes? Did it have a fishing industry?
No fishing industry here, just a bit of beach fishing, our main industry is boozers / greasy grub and seaside entertainment.

Carth 02-05-2021 09:50
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078595)
No fishing industry here, just a bit of beach fishing, our main industry is boozers / greasy grub and seaside entertainment.
Not much difference between there and Blackpool then ;)


p.s. could you let me know the first four numbers in that winning set of six please best mate chum and neighbour ;) :D

Maggy 02-05-2021 10:00
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Debate?Discussion? How about doing either or both?

Hugh 02-05-2021 17:18
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078501)
And it's quite sad that you appear willing to overlook potential breaches of the law on political funding, the Ministerial Code, and Members Interest Register, because he got "Brexit done". :(

He still hasn't clarified who paid for his £15k holiday in Mustique yet...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36078507)
aah yes, I'd forgotten you also batted for their side :p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36078547)
Who’s "the other side"?

Those who believe in following the rules and not breaking the law?

Happy to "bat for their side’… :D
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078548)
Remainers as far as i am aware.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36078567)
See . . even Papa gets it (no offence shipmate) ;)
I see the Telegraph, the Mail, and the Express are Remainers...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ns-battle-pay/
Quote:
The Electoral Commission has launched an investigation into the affair, saying there were "reasonable grounds to suspect that an offence or offences may have occurred".

Under the watchdog’s rules, all loans of more than £7,500 must be declared. To date, no loan from Lord Brownlow has appeared in the Electoral Commission’s register (though it does contain details of donations totalling £2,256,174 made by him to the party, the most recent being a sum of £1,250 in November).

Mr Johnson has, to date, made no mention of any gifts or loans relating to the flat in the Register of MPs’ Interests, where benefits and loans are supposed to be registered within 28 days.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...renovation-EVG

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...new-decor.html
Quote:
Mr Johnson’s team came up with another wheeze: a ‘blind trust’ modelled on the White House Trust used to maintain the US President’s Office.

The official aim was to ‘preserve Downing Street for posterity’ including the State Rooms.

In fact, it seems the real aim was to recoup the £58,000.

The advantage of the ‘blind trust’ would be that the prime minister of the day would not know who had given money to the trust so there could be no conflict of interest.

The proposal was soon abandoned as impractical.

Undeterred, Mr Johnson resolved to set up a different, more open, form of Downing Street trust.

Another multi-millionaire Tory donor, Lord Brownlow, was asked by Mr Johnson to set up the new trust.

It emerged yesterday that former Labour Chancellor Lord (Alistair) Darling turned down an offer in July to lead the trust.

So Lord Brownlow took on the job.

It was around this time that Tory HQ paid £58,000 to the Cabinet Office to clear the debt.

But after being told it could fall foul of Electoral Commission rules which say party funds should be used for political campaigning, the party appears to have panicked.An extraordinary apparent attempt to disguise the payment was launched.

This newspaper has been told that in early October Mr Johnson also discussed his financial woes in No10 with Lord Goldsmith.

Miss Symonds’s appointment in January as head of communications for the Aspinall Foundation, a wildlife charity, was a welcome boost to her and Mr Johnson’s income. A leaked email obtained by the Daily Mail showed that on October 23, Lord Brownlow told Mr Elliot that he had made a £58,000 ‘donation’ to Tory HQ.

He made it clear it was to cover the same sum paid by the party to the Cabinet Office....

...Bearing in mind that was its real, albeit unstated, purpose all along, insiders say the trust will now be ‘quietly dumped.’ Meanwhile, Downing Street now says the refurbishment costs ‘have been met by the Prime Minister personally’, but has not explained how Mr Johnson paid the £58,000.

It is not clear where he got the money from – nor who he has paid it to.

Miss Lytle? The Cabinet Office? Tory HQ? Lord Brownlow? The money trail is not just murky, it is dizzying. Opposition by Mr Johnson’s former chief of staff Dominic Cummings to using donors to pay for the flat was one of the reasons of his acrimonious exit from Downing Street in December.

But this newspaper has been told that when his successor, ex-banker Dan Rosenfield joined No10 in January, he was similarly shocked...

...Whether you think Cummings is a genius or the devil incarnate, it is hard to disagree that Mr Johnson is guilty on at least one of the three counts.

TheDaddy 06-05-2021 17:51
Re: Dominic Cummings has resigned
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36078593)
It's like the lottery, would you ever get over winning it, you're sat in front of the telly and in comes the last two numbers 48 and 52 and your life changes ;)
Oh you're happy how it turned out, apologies, I thought you were still fighting because it didn't turn out how you expected, you know like the fishermen, my mistake, you did know what you were voting for and have got just that, Dom will be pleased.


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 23:51.
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Show 100 post(s) from this thread on one page

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
All Posts and Content are © Cable Forum