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Alternatively maybe they never re-use IDs so many of the lower numbers could be decommissioned and there's only a handful to be upgraded. Very little public info on this unsurprisingly... :) |
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Personally I think it will be a wider area than those numbers will suggest, for me I can see "East of England" being one block for gig1 release, covering everything from Norwich to Cambridge to Chemsford, and Colchester and Ipswich on the way back up.
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It does sound like your area got resegmented today. There's loads of it going on this week. |
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Ok so quick update on this. Even though my hub4 doesn't have the latest firmware which would stop the ports 'unbonding' I went ahead with the setup anyway as figured I could at least test full speed for a few hours then it will drop down to one link so will be back to 950/52 which is what I had with just the AX86u and hub4 in modem mode. Anyway, purchased the Mikrotik router and updated to the latest stable firmware and running in router mode. Configured the bond for two 1Gbps interfaces that were connected to the hub4. Bridged the bond (disabling arp) to the single interface that has a 10g copper module (also support 2.5g and 5g). I then inside the Asus ax86u set the WAN port as the 2.5g port, connected with a cat6 cable to the Mikrotik router on its 10g copper module and confirmed that the Asus WAN port speed negotiated at 2.5g. After rebooting everything and what seemed like 5 minutes, I got an Internet connection. However, when testing with speed test I am getting 600/52 maximum!! tried removing one of the cables from the hub4 to Mikrotik but still no change. Not sure if the Mikrotik is restricting something as when I go direct from router's 2.5g wan port to hub4 (negotiated at 1Gbps) I get 950/52!! only had limited time for testing so will try again later and report back..might also be better if and when vm deliver the firmware update to hub4. |
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In Modem Mode it's a different story but due to ARP issues I can't get it working consistently, I'm still on older firmware. |
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Yesterday my Hub4 finally received the new firmware update which makes the port-aggregation work consistently and so I set it up and thought I'd share how I did it as I'm not using Mikrotik equipment instead I'm using just my normal pfSense router connected directly to the Hub4 (which is in modem mode).
So first of all within pfSense you can setup a round-robin LAGG from the Interfaces -> LAGGs menu (<RouterIP>/interfaces_lagg.php). Obviously to use this you'll need multiple ethernet ports on your pfSense box to connect directly to the modem. You can use switches for this but I'm specifically detailing how to do this with just pfSense. So my setup is 1 x 10Gb connection between my pfSense system and my home network (my entire home network is 10Gb wired). Then for the Hub4 connection I used 4 x 1Gb ethernet. Now this is important because when I used only 2 x 1Gb connections I couldn't obtain more than 980 Mbps no matter what I did. So this was a 40 Mb improvement over using a single cable but not the 1.15-1.20 Gbps I was hoping for. After a lot of trial and error I decided to connect 4 x 1Gb connections just as a test and instantly I was getting peak speeds of 1.22 Gbps within the pfSense interface and 1.15 Gbps to 1.20 Gbps in various speed tests that I conducted. Here are some screenshots of those speeds: Inside pfSense Directly: https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/01/3.png Speedtest.net Result: https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/01/5.png (You may notice in the above screenshot it shows the ISP as Datacamp Limited and not Virgin Media that's because the above test result is actually over an OpenVPN connection and not conducted directly.) I did also do a plain DSLreports test over the raw connection without the VPN active and it hit 1140 Mbps which resulted in the test halting and them displaying me this message: https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/01/4.png Which I found rather humorous. So that's all there is to it really, setup your LAGG as Round Robin, select all the interfaces you intend to connect to your modem (I recommend four due to what I said above regarding performance) hit save, specify that new LAGG Interface as your WAN on pfSense and you're off to the races. Since I cloned the MAC address from my normal interface to the LAGG (this can all be done in the pfSense Interface GUI) I was able to get the connection up and running without even rebooting my modem. If you're using a different MAC to the normal one you will need to restart the modem. One last thing to note. Round Robin LAGG setups can be quite CPU intensive due to the packets arriving out of order requiring the CPU to reorder them and when you're dealing with a 1.15-1.20 Gbps data flow.. that's a lot of packets to potentially receive out of order. I noticed my pfSense router which is equipped with a 3.3GHz Core i5 Quad Core from 2014 was reaching 30% to 50% CPU usage when maxing the connection out when usually it's around 5%. I did not experience any packet loss though which is excellent. I bring this up as you may need a decent processor if you're doing this in pfSense and in my case I may even need to upgrade the CPU cooler I'm using as it got rather toasty when running a sustained 60GB file transfer test handling a heavier load than it usually does. |
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That's great news and more cost effective than having to buy dedicated kit.
My four LAN cables on the Mikrotik 4011 are split 2 and 2 across each pair of switch chips and the CPU hits around 9% when maxed out with round-robin bonding. Chassis is cool to the touch unlike the SFP+ modules which are hot. |
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Got my update seems stable so far. Also saw someone posting stats from a hub 4 on the VM forums with 6 upstream channels couple days ago. This can only be good news.
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Does anyone know how the rollout is going?
I can still only get 500Mb here. I figure, based on the actual figures I’m getting, I might actually get 500Mb if I had their 1Gb service... |
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I've been hoping to find some sort of timetable of the rollout but there doesnt seem to be one.
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I think the average for announcing new cities has been every 3-4 months on average
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There wont be a public release of timetable for commercial reasons, the rollout is going well but there is substantial work required for this upgrade, some areas are easier than others! An area wont be announced until it is ready for "launch".
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I've noticed that on the 'My Account' page I now have a banner saying Gig1 is available in your area... but it hasnt been announced and I cannot buy it. I assume this is more likely to be an error rather than a sign it is coming to my area?
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Perfect speeds here on 1gig.
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Still no sign of it round here.
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Ive been messaging both virgin and vodafone about Nottingham on Twitter. If I get a reply I will let you know.
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Yeah, I went on chat this morning and they confirmed it's not available In Nottingham yet.
They ought to fix the My Virgin Media page giving out wrong information. |
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Cancelled m200 (20years a telewest/virgin customer) as the disconnections and high pricing is not fit for purpose now sadly (what has happened to your phone support also down most of the time) , the kind lady from retentions did offer a better package and reduced price but already bit the bullet, and no plans on giga in my area from virgin so got my new package in today.
quite decent. https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2021/02/2.png |
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Sadly all Zen can offer me is the same as Sky/BT/Vodaphone etc.
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Currently NOT a VM customer, Is it worth signing up to M500 now and "upgrading" to 1GB at what will surely be a rip off price as I would be "in contract" or wait... till maybe who knows when for the 1GB to be offered in my area (Nottingham) to new customers.
I guess nobody has a rollout plan so to speak to give some idea? I just know their "existing customer" price will be eye watering. VM have a monopoly on "fast" fibre, yes, I know they spent the money building the infrastructure and deserve the rewards from that but if they are not careful, the discussion of them allowing access to their network to other providers is going to become louder. Thanks. |
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Hi Gimpymoo
I'm in Nottingham but I've not seen anything to say when Gig 1 will arrive. If you take the 500mbps it is now actually upgraded to 600mbps. Hope that helps you in making your decision. |
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Thanks for that. I do want the 1GB but not prepared to be "bent over" by Virgin as an existing customer. Any reports from existing customers in upgraded areas who have upgraded what price they have been charged? I expect they charged for the new modem too? Following on from that, are new customers getting the Hub 4 or 3? I may sit it out and see what happens. Currently on THREE unlimited data for £20 a month. Not great but not the worse to be honest. |
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If you're anywhere in the coloured bits of the map here https://imgur.com/a/X2JJ8pU then you'd be best waiting for OpenReach. If outside, try and get on VM via a sale but be prepared to leave whenever they whack the prices up.
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I was literally on the edge of something and nothing on that map, so I checked here: https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broa...fibre-for-home Quote:
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Yeah, full fibre is their term for FTTP. Idjits for clamouring to be able to call Fibre to the Cabinet and HFC "Fibre Broadband", now they have to use other terms to explain Fibre to people, and nobody knows the difference without doing some digging or seeing the headline speeds.
Once you see Openreach up poles or down ducts, it's usually 1-3 months before it gets enabled. The Openreach site will email you months after it's actually available for order, so just keep checking BT.com as that seems to be the first place that gets updated. |
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They are now calling their own "fibre" HALF FIBRE essentially, idiots. We get served via overhead cables around here, do they replace the cabling going from pole to house as people sign up or do they just put up new poles in advance? Thanks. |
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So around my way, each street has poles fed from a main pole at the bottom (it's lots of cul-de-sacs off a longer cul-de-sac), which in turn is fed from a duct on the longer road. When OR turned up, their contractor began by inspecting each duct. They did some minor roadworks to fix issues with collapsed ducts, and then pulled cables to each main duct and tied blue pull-rope to the base of each main pole. Then a few weeks later (presumably once an entire areas digging and main cable pulling had been complete) Openreach turned up and began fitting football sized fibre distribution boxes to the main poles, pulled the fibre to it and then from there pulled some fibre to each pole that fed from that main pole. Wooden poles get a box up high where the fibre to your house is connected from, metal poles have that box internally fitted. The obvious giveaways are:
When you get FTTP, they'll run a brand new drop-cable from the pole to your house that uses a heavier gauge wire and remove the old line. It is only done when you sign up, as it's quite an involved process - especially now with social distancing making stuff more awkward for everyone involved. But the entire install can be done with one visit for the modern OR rollouts. |
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Call charges were horrible as you could use 1 line at 64k on various unlimited services but getting both lines working for 128k pretty much required paying per minute. |
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Oh wow, BT ISDN, I had fogotten all about that.
I had that installed by my work in the period sometime before I finally got Diamond cable. |
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Ahh yes ISDN - It Still Does Nothing.
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Back in the day when it was ok to speculatively register domain names I used to own BTISDN.com. Not one of my better 'investments' as BT never did come knocking :rolleyes:
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apparently they have plans for something called "BBC iPlayer" coming out soon...
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One of the advantages that ISDN still has is guaranteed bandwidth. You don't want to risk the radio commentary dropping at a crucial moment.
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VM were waiving the £35 activation so I bit the bullet on the "500/600" service for £46 a month. 18 Month contract though :( |
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Looks to be targeting the whole of Nottingham https://www.cityfibre.com/news/cityf...ransformation/ £48 for a 900/900 connection seems good. https://www.vodafone.co.uk/broadband/deals/gigafast |
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VM want whole UK pricing, so as we've seen in areas with other FTTP providers up to now, they will happily sit buy with their massive prices and lose market share in those areas there is competition, rather than do regional pricing or local discounts or whatever. For me, VM are a horrible company to deal with in terms of support or customer services, I stand more chance of getting a fault resolved posting about it on these forums and hoping someone that happens to work for VM picks it up in their spare time an deals with it, than I am to get any help from them through official channels. That combined with horrible pricing, with too many "new customer offers" that then expire, forcing you to go through constant negotiations, or termination and resubscription etc, mean that as soon as CF reach me I will be far far away from VM and can't quite conceive of a reason anyone would come to any other decision, other than inertia. |
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They need to embrace regional pricing. I cancelled in Feb after they wanted to increase my £37 350Mb "introductory price" to £57. RIP OFF. Resigned up when they removed the "activation fee" for a "limited time" and got what will be 600Mb for £46 a month which is fine for me. I will be happy with that for the 18 months as although they are breaking ground near me, I am not in that area and although BT say FTTP is "coming"... nothing moving on that front anyway so 18 months will be about right I think. The biggest gripe for me is upload speeds, for a "premium" product, their top tier upload speeds have always been garbage. |
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Zen offer 1 gig both up and down on Cityfibre for £40 with a lifetime price promise, I'll never have to renegotiate again. Even if VM get Gig1 to me, it will be for over 50% more, with random price rises, and a paltry 55mbit upload. |
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Just found out today that Hyperoptic has pre-installed the new estate where we are due to move into within the next few months.
So i checked out their website and found i can get 1Gb(900/900) with a unlimited calls to uk landlines for £20.00pm cheaper than i currently pay from Virgin.But it gets better. Spoke to one of hyperoptic's reps. They waved the activation fee and offered us three months of free service AND a no price increase guarantee for 12 months. Sorry Virgin but it's time to part ways. :) |
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It’s alright for people who live in the very limited areas where other companies offer high speed broadband, but for the vast majority of people, Virgin is the only option. Some people can’t even get Virgin.
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Seems like Liberty Global are the ones to blame as prior to them coming in, I would suggest VM were far more competitive/aggressive with pricing. |
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Honestly for me the CS is worse than the price. If Cityfibre wasn't coming shortly I'd be considering switching to Starlink right now, they are £89 a month but should be 300m by the end of the year. |
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You might well be waiting another half decade based on how long the rollout is taking in other areas. Granted I can't wait for them to be live in my local area, just frustrating the street was dug up over a year ago and all we have to show for it is ducting tied to lamp posts and telegraph poles. I shouldn't complain though, its certainly better than no progress at all! It will be good for Virgin to have some real competition. |
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I will look into that when I'm out of contract
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I'm trying to replicate the Mikrotik setup posted by rtho782, but I'm using a slightly different setup, as I do not have a 10GB LAN. I'm using a hex-S, hoping this would work with the device. I am trying to set up 2 bonded interfaces in a bridge as follows Bridge Name: VMBridge containing: Bonded interfaces: 1>AsusBond (ethernet ports: 2,3) 802.3ad 2> VMBBond (ethernet ports 4,5), balance-rr However there seems to be no communication between the 2 bonded interfaces, they both show as connected, but I fail to see traffic pass through the bridge from 1-2 and vice versa. The device plugged into ports 2,3 can't contact the device plugged into 4,5 ARP is disabled on the VMBond, as per the advice, but I cant get it to work, having left it for a good 15 minutes after rebooting all of the devices concerned. Any help/pointers would be really useful. Thank you MY Firewall detects the 802.3ad Link aggregation but it informs me the my ISP's DHCP isn't working, and I cannot see or get to the VM Hub 4 on 192.168.100.1. Any help would be greatly appreciated. My config is as per the attachments. I appreciate I may have done something wrong, I'm no Mikrotik expert, I'm new to their stuff, having come from a WatchGuard background for the last 5 years. Thank you in advance. Chris |
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I had to have ARP enabled on both bridge and bond otherwise it would not create the bond on my setup.
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Thanks for the reply. With or without ARP on the bonding and bridges, it still fails unfortunately. I feel like I'm *almost* there with this, but my lack of Mikrotik knowledge might be why I cant get it to connect. I get about 512b/s on the VMHub bond every few seconds but I guess that's just discovery chatter. Any further help would be wholly appreciated. I have to use a device between the SH4 and the ASUS as they both expect different aggregation/bondings (ASUS requires 802.3ad and the SH4 expects RR) Thank you Chris |
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https://tech.msh100.uk/virgin/networ...ter-than-gbit/
Might be some more info in there Edit: Was already posted in the thread. |
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Thanks for the informative posts, I've got my Mikrotik Hex-S set up similarly to that, the only difference being is the link back to the firewall is also a bond, running 802.3ad as the firewall has 2x 1GB ports on it. The firewall reports the LACP connection, but just informs me that the ISP's DHCP isn't working as expected, nor can I get to the Virgin hub on 192.168.100.1. I still think I'm missing something, but I've attached a less-than-ideal MS Paint diagram of the setup (physical). Best Regards Chris |
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The postcode checker has changed from how it used to be and thinks that I am moving
house. The little green window isn't there anymore so I can't find out if Nottingham has Gig 1 yet. |
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Just say yes you are new to Virgin Media and moving in on the checker here as that's based on arranging the 'existing' account closed first https://www.virginmedia.com/join/availability
It will list Gig1 on the broadband tab if it's available |
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Glad to see it is now in my area... Does anyone know how much it might cost to add to Ultimate Oomph bundle?
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I can get it in Newcastle, shame the upload is so poor in comparison
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Very surprised that it's *not* in relatively recent project lightning RFoG areas like Weston Super Mare - very near Bristol and you'd think given the recent nature of this build they would have been a bit forward thinking.
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The daft thing is, I saw a Virgin Media van in Sherwood this afternoon and on the side of the van it was advertising Gig 1. Pointless as it's still not available in Nottingham. |
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I had an email here in Swansea earlier saying gigabit is now available.
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if you never reach 100Mb there is a problem somewhere. |
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Would be nice to get the bill reduced by around £20 a month, but there's as much chance of that as Watford winning some silverware :D |
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Just ordered it, i couldnt say no for the price.
OK its a £35 fee for setup and hub but doubling my internet speed for an extra £9 a month!! |
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£35 set up even if it's QuickStart?
In my previous broadband upgrades, I never heard of £35 for set up before. |
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Yes when 50mb and 500mb upgrade ive paid fees.
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ive just had my contract through and its cheaper than they quoted.........
1Gig and Phone will all calls inc starting in September for £55 a month. £5 a month cheaper than what im paying now and £14 a month cheaper than they quoted. |
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Sweet, I am paying £62 for that but on 500mbits.
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Only tomorrow to go now and then Take delivery of new hub Tuesday between 8am-6pm from Yodel.
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