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Mick 22-07-2020 11:09
Re: Was Labour complicit with Russian interference in 2019 UK General Election?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044287)
Powerful people can always get their names suppressed.

The fact the Govt. are dismissing this report already makes them complicit Russia's interference. Trouble is the Russians now have carte blanche to interfere where the Govt don't want.

What sanctions are we going to take ? Yet another country we can't/won't trade with ? We're now even a tinier fish in a massive sea, with no influence but weak to influence from others. Our World super power days are long gone, the only power we did have was that we were part of the largest trading bloc in the World, no more.
Absolute rubbish as usual. Sick of telling you. The world is a much larger trading window, than being in a corrupt union where vast sums were exchanged for the very little privileges of being in it. You and others are democracy deniers, if more people voted to leave, than that won the vote.

Note to all: this thread is not for the usual arguments about leaving the EU.

Carth 22-07-2020 11:13
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
I'm with Nomadking on this, I haven't seen or heard a single instance that shows any actual proof of anything by anyone.

Lots of whispering, gesticulating, nudge nudge, what if type of crap circulating on the social media platforms, farcebook and twitter banning lots of 'fake' accounts etc, but nothing that shows me a direct line to a Russian telling me how to vote.

I do recall lots of bumf from political parties telling me how I should vote, maybe they're all Russian backed?

papa smurf 22-07-2020 11:36
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36044311)
I'm with Nomadking on this, I haven't seen or heard a single instance that shows any actual proof of anything by anyone.

Lots of whispering, gesticulating, nudge nudge, what if type of crap circulating on the social media platforms, farcebook and twitter banning lots of 'fake' accounts etc, but nothing that shows me a direct line to a Russian telling me how to vote.

I do recall lots of bumf from political parties telling me how I should vote, maybe they're all Russian backed?
Project fear was probably the russians

Kushan 22-07-2020 12:06
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044240)
And yet you have no issue with Obama helping your side with his threat, I will give you a clue, that was Foreign interference too!!!

There should have been no foreign interference by any country allied or not, yet your side wheeled him out and he stood there with his stupid threat, how many people did he influence to vote Remain???

It should never have been allowed, yet it was totally fine with your side.

Total hypocrites.
Please link me to a post where I've said any of what you've claimed.

Besides, as others have pointed out, there's a huge difference. Obama was clear and up front about what he wanted. He wasn't funnelling dirty money through back channels or propping up people to do his dirty work.

The issue, as I keep repeating, isn't about if, it's about why. You keep ignoring that point.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044242)
What exactly is meant to have taken place? What unexplained things are meant to have been that noticeable? It's a case of "the bogeyman done it", "done what", "erm don't know, he just did".
Good question, if only we'd investigated then we'd know.

Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36044242)
There is zero evidence of anything having taken place, so getting into who was responsible, is more than a little bit premature.
Zero evidence because we didn't investigate it. Again, I'm imploring you to ask why we didn't investigate it.

Always with the why.

Maggy 22-07-2020 12:15
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Too much whataboutism in practically every political debate.

Mick 22-07-2020 12:46
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 36044317)
Please link me to a post where I've said any of what you've claimed.

Besides, as others have pointed out, there's a huge difference. Obama was clear and up front about what he wanted. He wasn't funnelling dirty money through back channels or propping up people to do his dirty work.

The issue, as I keep repeating, isn't about if, it's about why. You keep ignoring that point.


Good question, if only we'd investigated then we'd know.



Zero evidence because we didn't investigate it. Again, I'm imploring you to ask why we didn't investigate it.

Always with the why.
Because it’s pointless, even if Russia interfered, like they did in Scottish Referendum, no doubt they were trying to influence a Independent Scotland, they clearly failed in that aspect. But the only reason you want it investigating is to claim, like some already are, that it was a fraudulent result when it clearly was not.

Carth 22-07-2020 13:15
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Hang on a minute.

If we (the Gov't) didn't investigate it, who did?

Was an investigation done by anybody apart from twitter and farcebook users, and those whose claim to fame is to expertly link 2 and 2 to achieve the infamous total of 5?

Hugh 22-07-2020 13:33
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36044311)
I'm with Nomadking on this, I haven't seen or heard a single instance that shows any actual proof of anything by anyone.

Lots of whispering, gesticulating, nudge nudge, what if type of crap circulating on the social media platforms, farcebook and twitter banning lots of 'fake' accounts etc, but nothing that shows me a direct line to a Russian telling me how to vote.

I do recall lots of bumf from political parties telling me how I should vote, maybe they're all Russian backed?
Again, that’s not how it works... :rolleyes:

They used Social Media to target specific groups of people, displaying posts/ads that either provoke a reaction against something, or to strengthen their support for something - they use false Identities to make them look local, rather than be from "Boris in Vladivostok".

Example
Quote:
Psychologists and students of advertising say the ads were cleverly designed to look like other internet memes, and to appeal to readers’ emotions. Jay Van Bavel, an associate professor of psychology at NYU, says he was surprised at the sophistication of the campaign. “It wasn’t transparent lies. It was just pushing our buttons,” says Van Bavel. “To me, this is more pernicious. It’s not a matter of fiction that we can root out with fact-checking. It’s more about turning Americans against each other.”

The ads took issues that voters care about and then “fed them to us as aggressively as possible,” he says.

Facebook estimates that 10 million people saw the paid ads and up to 150 million people saw other content from the fake accounts, which Facebook has traced to the Internet Research Agency, a Kremlin-backed troll farm. The ads were placed by fake accounts with names like United Muslims of America, Blacktivist, and LGBT United that could have passed for real Facebook groups.

1andrew1 22-07-2020 13:42
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Labour MP Bill Esterson nails the essence of the dilemma that BoJo faces but has ruled out the obvious solution to it.
Quote:
The Conservative Party takes money from the Russians, No 10 suppressed the report and the Prime Minister forgot that his first duty is the security of the British people.
"So will the minister go away and tell the prime minister to investigate the Kremlin's role in undermining our democracy?


---------- Post added at 13:42 ---------- Previous post was at 13:39 ----------

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044323)
Again, that’s not how it works... :rolleyes:

They used Social Media to target specific groups of people, displaying posts/ads that either provoke a reaction against something, or to strengthen their support for something - they use false Identities to make them look local, rather than be from "Boris in Vladivostok".

Example
Exactly. They are doubtless on Redditt and forums right now sowing doubt in people's minds about the need to get to the bottom of the issue.

Sephiroth 22-07-2020 13:51
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Surely there's not much difference between Russian Facebook ads (e.g.) and BBC Russian Service (which is funded by the Foreign Office).

Sure there are differences in supported values, but the acts are essentially similar.

Carth 22-07-2020 14:47
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044323)
Again, that’s not how it works... :rolleyes:

They used Social Media to target specific groups of people, displaying posts/ads that either provoke a reaction against something, or to strengthen their support for something - they use false Identities to make them look local, rather than be from "Boris in Vladivostok".
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044324)
Exactly. They are doubtless on Redditt and forums right now sowing doubt in people's minds about the need to get to the bottom of the issue.
or you could say they (if they exist) are currently all over Redditt and forums right now, sowing the seeds of misinformation to encourage the sheep followers to rise up and accuse the Gov't of incompetence :D

Mick 22-07-2020 17:10
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044323)
Again, that’s not how it works... :rolleyes:

They used Social Media to target specific groups of people, displaying posts/ads that either provoke a reaction against something, or to strengthen their support for something - they use false Identities to make them look local, rather than be from "Boris in Vladivostok".

Example
What evidence can you base these ridiculous notions on eh?

None because you can never prove that Russians or any other country influenced the EU vote, whose vote do you cancel because they were tricked, or do you suggest running the vote again and again until you and your side get the result you want, not how it works Hugh, nor can we identify if President Obama influenced anybody with his back of queue bullshit, but I hazard a guess he did seeing as he was wheeled out in front of the UK press. Russian bots only had social media to contend with.

Stop looking for excuses to try nullify a result you have constantly rejected.

1andrew1 22-07-2020 17:34
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Speaking as someone who accepted the referendum from day one and didn't go on any protest marches, I believe it's important to investigate potential interference in the EU referendum so we can avoid it happening in the future.

papa smurf 22-07-2020 17:43
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044338)
Speaking as someone who accepted the referendum from day one and didn't go on any protest marches, I believe it's important to investigate potential interference in the EU referendum so we can avoid it happening in the future.
:rofl:

denphone 22-07-2020 17:53
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36044342)
:rofl:
How nice that you think people who voted to remain in the EU are democratic deniers especially when the vast majority accepted the democratic result..

papa smurf 22-07-2020 17:55
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36044343)
How nice that you think people who voted to remain in the EU are democratic deniers especially when the vast majority accepted the democratic result..
:rofl:

Hugh 22-07-2020 18:21
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044337)
What evidence can you base these ridiculous notions on eh?

None because you can never prove that Russians or any other country influenced the EU vote, whose vote do you cancel because they were tricked, or do you suggest running the vote again and again until you and your side get the result you want, not how it works Hugh, nor can we identify if President Obama influenced anybody with his back of queue bullshit, but I hazard a guess he did seeing as he was wheeled out in front of the UK press. Russian bots only had social media to contend with.

Stop looking for excuses to try nullify a result you have constantly rejected.
Mick, you appear to be confused about the evidence I posted.

In the link, it explained the methodology on the evidence gathering - Facebook themselves posted evidence about how Russians had been using misleading identities to sow dissension, and still are.

I have previously stated I accept the result of Brexit - the last Election showed the British electorate wanted it, and I accept the election results, and that Brexit is happening.

However, if we don’t do something to stop it happening again, it will happen again - nobody want another country’s Government trying to influence our democratic process.

Carth 22-07-2020 18:29
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36044353)
Mick, you appear to be confused about the evidence I posted.

In the link, it explained the methodology on the evidence gathering - Facebook themselves posted evidence about how Russians had been using misleading identities to sow dissension, and still are.

I have previously stated I accept the result of Brexit - the last Election showed the British electorate wanted it, and I accept the election results, and that Brexit is happening.

However, if we don’t do something to stop it happening again, it will happen again - nobody want another country’s Government trying to influence our democratic process.
I may be wrong, but isn't that what the UK has been doing regarding 'third world' countries for years? Out in the open of course . . well . . structured around cash in exchange for . . .

pip08456 22-07-2020 19:34
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044338)
Speaking as someone who accepted the referendum from day one and didn't go on any protest marches, I believe it's important to investigate potential interference in the EU referendum so we can avoid it happening in the future.
We're having another EU referendum???

Mr K 22-07-2020 20:53
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36044361)
We're having another EU referendum???
It'll happen at some point, probably sooner than most think. The economic reality will quickly hit.

pip08456 22-07-2020 21:07
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044366)
It'll happen at some point, probably sooner than most think. The economic reality will quickly hit.
Good luck with that especially when they are told there will be no rebate that the EU tell you what you have to spend it on.

heero_yuy 23-07-2020 09:30
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
And also the £650bn of loans that the EU is currently taking out to rescue the southern paupers that will have to be repaid by the net contributors in the north. At the moment our backsides are not in that sling.

Sephiroth 23-07-2020 10:08
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36044398)
And also the £650bn of loans that the EU is currently taking out to rescue the southern paupers that will have to be repaid by the net contributors in the north. At the moment our backsides are not in that sling.
Ah - but I can think of one bleater in this thread that would say "what's wrong with helping our poorer neighbours".

Carth 23-07-2020 10:23
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
People over 1000 miles away aren't really my neighbours ;)

It may be that they are in a geopolitical sense, but it still doesn't mean I have to contribute :D

Dave42 23-07-2020 10:54
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Conservative Party ministers bankrolled by donors linked to Russia
Tories accept thousands from ex-arms supplier

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ssia-2hm5jhwpx

but yeah the russians wanted labour to win unbelievable

ianch99 23-07-2020 11:21
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36044411)
Conservative Party ministers bankrolled by donors linked to Russia
Tories accept thousands from ex-arms supplier

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...ssia-2hm5jhwpx

but yeah the russians wanted labour to win unbelievable
A picture is worth a thousand words:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Edj6E5VX...jpg&name=small

followed by:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdM5vU2X...jpg&name=small

Now we see more clearly why the Tories actively avoided looking for evidence that Russia interfered in the EU referendum.

papa smurf 23-07-2020 11:41
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Just put Vlad on my xmas card list just in case :)

Mick 24-07-2020 12:49
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36044411)

but yeah the russians wanted labour to win unbelievable
Clearly they did, seeing as they were pushing the leaked document Corbyn was thrashing about during his campaign. They thought they had the golden nugget, that would make millions vote for them, yeah right, not when they were going to join with the Undemocratic Illiberals to stop Brexit. So come off it FFS.

We all know when Corbyn was Labour leader, he defended Russia to the hilt, when the Salisbury poisonings were going on. Clear intelligence findings pointed to them but he still stuck up for them so do not give me this kind of bullshit above Dave42.

Dave42 24-07-2020 12:53
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044510)
Clearly they did, seeing as they were pushing the leaked document Corbyn was thrashing about during his campaign. They thought they had the golden nugget, that would make millions vote for them, yeah right, not when they were going to join with the Undemocratic Illiberals to stop Brexit. So come off it FFS.

We all know when Corbyn was Labour leader, he defended Russia to the hilt, when the Salisbury poisonings were going on. Clear intelligence findings pointed to them but he still stuck up for them so do not give me this kind of bullshit above Dave42.
aye that why they given money to tories because they wanted labour to win

Mick 24-07-2020 13:04
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Just a heads up but several posts have been removed which were related to a now deleted post.

ALL Members are reminded of the following:

While some swearing is allowed and it is more relaxed using certain words, excessive swearing to the point the swear filter has to kick in a post, several times as it did in the offending post, is not acceptable.

I also find objectionable how people express themselves, absolutely no shouting and I do not care how angry someone is, they do not under any circumstances use sexual terms, when expressing an opinion. Cheap vulgarities ruin the debate and I will not tolerate it.

1andrew1 24-07-2020 13:07
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36044511)
aye that why they given money to tories because they wanted labour to win
Russian state - keen on disrupting the West. Hence support populist leaders and causes whichever side of the fence they are.

Russian donors - keen for minimal scrutiny of where their money came from and acceptance in British society. Hence fund Conservatives. Makes sense - Conservatives may not necessarily be more influenced than any other party but they are traditionally in power more than Labour.

Carth 24-07-2020 13:17
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Would it be better if we started buying into/investing in Russian businesses in order to help our economy somewhat, and maybe lessen their need to spy on us?

or would they carry on spying on us (everybody) anyway?

Dave42 24-07-2020 13:40
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36044513)
Russian state - keen on disrupting the West. Hence support populist leaders and causes whichever side of the fence they are.

Russian donors - keen for minimal scrutiny of where their money came from and acceptance in British society. Hence fund Conservatives. Makes sense - Conservatives may not necessarily be more influenced than any other party but they are traditionally in power more than Labour.
yes they didn't really have a opposition last election Corbyn is worse main party leader in British history i could not vote labour last time because of Corbyn thankfully he no more and now have a decent opposition

Kushan 24-07-2020 13:42
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
There's been more outrage directed at my comment on this thread than there has towards a criminally corrupt government. Hey-ho.

Never mind Corbyn being complicit with Russia, quite a significant number of people in this very thread are.

Let it not be said you weren't warned!

Mick 24-07-2020 13:49
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kushan (Post 36044518)
There's been more outrage directed at my comment on this thread than there has towards a criminally corrupt government*. Hey-ho.

Never mind Corbyn being complicit with Russia, quite a significant number of people in this very thread are.

Let it not be said you weren't warned!
Your post has been removed for good reason and there will be no more said about it, the better.

* Evidence?**

News Paper stories don't cut it for me and never have.

** Note when I say evidence, I mean evidence that the accused have been charged and convicted of a criminal offence. Until then nobody can be labelled a criminal, it's defamatory and reeks of libel.

General Maximus 24-07-2020 15:13
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044519)
News Paper stories don't cut it for me and never have.
whilst everything has to be taken with a pinch of salt newspapers have a responsibility to report the news and it will be based on fact with sources and "evidence" to back it up. Most news outlets, paper or tv, have a rule that they have to have two independent verifiable sources before they will report a story. The only one I know that only requires one source is Sky News.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044519)
Note when I say evidence, I mean evidence that the accused have been charged and convicted of a criminal offence
being convicted of a criminal offence isn't evidence of wrong doing, it is judicial process of holding somebody to account for breaking the law and "evidence" such as that of what journalists collate to report the news is used to prove the prosecutions argument. Just because somebody hasn't been caught and prosecuted for a crime doesn't mean that they are not guilty of it or did not commit the crime. In contrast, we are all too well aware that in countries like North Korea, Russia and Iran people are convicted of crimes without any evidence at all so does the fact that they have been convicted because a judge said "you did it" mean that is sufficient "evidence" for you of a crime?



Btw, if I won the euromillions I would happily pay £135,000 for some quality one on one time with Bojo.

Mick 24-07-2020 15:24
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 36044530)


being convicted of a criminal offence isn't evidence of wrong doing, it is judicial process of holding somebody to account for breaking the law and "evidence" such as that of what journalists collate to report the news is used to prove the prosecutions argument. Just because somebody hasn't been caught and prosecuted for a crime doesn't mean that they are not guilty of it or did not commit the crime. In contrast, we are all too well aware that in countries like North Korea, Russia and Iran people are convicted of crimes without any evidence at all so does the fact that they have been convicted because a judge said "you did it" mean that is sufficient "evidence" for you of a crime?
You need to study law and as the law applies to this country, the UK, I couldn't give a toss about North Korea or how Russia applies theirs, this is not the topic.

Have we forgot around here that in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty?

My point stands, you cannot label someone or an entity criminals, unless those parties have been convicted and sentenced appropriately. You infer that someone is a criminal when they have not faced a judicial judgement, then you and others open yourselves up to libel claims.

Mr K 24-07-2020 15:36
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044532)
You need to study law and as the law applies to this country, the UK, I couldn't give a toss about North Korea or how Russia applies theirs, this is not the topic.

Have we forgot around here that in this country, you are innocent until proven guilty?

My point stands, you cannot label someone or an entity criminals, unless those parties have been convicted and sentenced appropriately. You infer that someone is a criminal when they have not faced a judicial judgement, then you and others open yourselves up to libel claims.
Errm, Hilary Clinton? You didn't apply the same criteria there, and she was never even charged with anything ! :rolleyes:

Mick 24-07-2020 15:45
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044534)
Errm, Hilary Clinton? You didn't apply the same criteria there, and she was never even charged with anything ! :rolleyes:
Yes by a bent investigation by bent cops in the FBI.

I am certain, I have never labelled her a "criminal", on the other hand, yes I have used and continue to use "Crooked" as in "evil", "dishonest", absolutely.

Mr K 24-07-2020 16:03
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36044536)
Yes by a bent investigation by bent cops in the FBI.

I am certain, I have never labelled her a "criminal", on the other hand, yes I have used and continue to use "Crooked" as in "evil", "dishonest", absolutely.
In your opinion or as the result of a criminal conviction of said 'bent cops'?

Mick 24-07-2020 16:28
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36044538)
In your opinion or as the result of a criminal conviction of said 'bent cops'?
A DOJ investigation is still ongoing, I couldn't possibly speak beyond the scope of their investigation(s). Though those bent cops are no longer in their professions due to their transgressions that killed their careers in their tracks.

Mr K, playing stupid games are we, I ain't dancing to your warped tune(s).

Back on topic.

jfman 24-07-2020 21:52
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36044514)
Would it be better if we started buying into/investing in Russian businesses in order to help our economy somewhat, and maybe lessen their need to spy on us?

or would they carry on spying on us (everybody) anyway?
They'll spy anyway. It's the difference between trading on their terms and on ours.

pip08456 25-07-2020 00:50
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Since when didn't we realise they spy on us and we spy on them? The UK set up the first ever spy network allegedly, guess who against?( OK Germany first Russia second)

1andrew1 25-07-2020 13:12
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36044612)
Since when didn't we realise they spy on us and we spy on them? The UK set up the first ever spy network allegedly, guess who against?( OK Germany first Russia second)
Spying is seen as more acceptable than social media farms, donations to political parties and poisonings though.

Carth 25-07-2020 17:59
Re: UK Intelligence report in to Russian interference in UK Elections/Scottish Refere
 
We live in a world where spying on you and your activities, gathering info on your lifestyle and preferences, and attempts to lead you by the nose through every day are common.

Those pesky Ruskies are only part of it :p:


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