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Absolutely, that's why Obama was totally unsuitable as President.
Qualities needed are being geriatric, bonkers, very rich, white and male.

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You're slipping Mr K, you forgot to add lying, corrupt and racist to your post :p:

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You've picked me up wrong there, pip, I was talking about the shooter, not Trump.

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Fair enough.

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Apparently the 1917 (1918 surely) Spanish Flu Virus probably ended the Second World War, as all the soldiers were sick...

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Remember though, he is a Stable Genius. ;)

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and a very stable genius at that!

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Latest Trumpy Bear commercial (this is not a spoof or parody, but a real commercial that has been shown on Fox TV in the USA).

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Made in China like everything else.

https://www.thecut.com/2018/11/is-trumpy-bear-real.html

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BREAKING: Former Vice President and Presidential Candidate Joe Biden picks Senator Kamala Harris as his running mate.

His website now updated:

https://joebiden.com/

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Tokenism.

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In what way?

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To get the black vote, even though his actions throughout his political career in regards to the black community are questionable, to be polite.

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Not just his, hers:-

https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...lifornia-crime

In other words she did nothing of significance for blacks. She isn't even African-American, she is of mixed race, her mother was of Indian origin and her father Jamaican.

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I suspect that played a part, although she has apparently been a front runner for the position anyway.

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Kamala Harris is hardly a nobody in Democratic politics. She was always going to be one of the front runners.

It's interesting because of the hits against her is she was seen as been overly authoritarian as Attorney General and was disliked by the left of the Democratic Party. I wonder if this is a move to undercut the Trump campaign's message that Biden is in league with 'radical leftists'.

Certainly Biden/Harris is a pretty conservative ticket as far as the Democrats go.

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Yeah but she didn't even make it to the Iowa Caucuses.

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https://twitter.com/ForAmerica/statu...97946872745984

Monopoly: Kamala Harris edition.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EfK3ndSW...jpg&name=small

:rofl:

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Sometimes I think American politics is fascinating, occasionally I think it would be interesting to read up on the details of it, the better to follow the final days of the campaign and the count.

Then I see attack ads and internet memes popping up with tedious certainty, that have obviously been pre-produced for every possible candidate, and I throw up my hands and think stuff them, leave them to their childish games ...

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Attention those who like their news fake, pro-Trump and with an occasional Trumpy Bear advert thrown in for good measure! Fox News plans a UK streaming launch on September 17th. https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/fox...tv-1234731690/

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The nutter's latest conspiracy theory is that 'Deep State' is hiding a covid vaccine until after the election...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9683406.html

Either he's seriously deranged or he thinks the electorate is. Possibly it's both.

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I think he's taking the P, and laughing at those who bite :D

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I really want Trump to win, just for the hell of it and to see people totally lose their ............over it.

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As long as he doesn't provoke world conflict in the process...:dmonk:

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Whoever loses at the election will provoke people losing their minds. QAnon will go nuts.

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Be ok against the chinky flu....:D

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I did find it entertaining when he won the first time that students needed time off of University to cope.

I'm not convinced people with so little resilience should be getting the expensive educations that US universities offer if they cannot cope with democratic outcomes to the point they need time off.

Can't they just join a cable tv forum and have hearty discussions that way?

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I think that would be likely to give them all heart attacks.!.

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I just want him to win because the Democrats have gone stone cold crazy to the hard left, with stupid arse policies, "Defund the Police." What in the actual feck are they playing at with this nonsense, so damn stupid?

And Biden is a real hard lost cause.

Basically the DNC Convention last week was running on a "We hate Trump." Ticket. Yawn. :zzz:

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Me too. The Americans deserve a better choice of candidates. But Trump looks like their best option.

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I thought defund the police is BLM not the Democrats? :confused:

Which President is best for a UK trade deal should negotiations resume next year?

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Joe Biden has not said directly about Defunding police if he gets in office. But he was asked about police funding and said it should be directed elsewhere. So in essence this policy of his, is surely a defund of the police in some form.

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I think the Democrats want to do more of what we essentially do. So less money for the police overall but that money going to more prevention programs.

Police funding is HUGE in a lot of American states. Dwarfes any other department: https://www.citymetric.com/politics/...-agencies-5186

You could cut some of their budgets and still have them as the best funded area of the cities.

But it's not the White Houses responsibility anyway.

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Aren't they funded by speed cameras, the same as our police are?

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But you could scupper them by not breaking the speed limits. Sneaky eh?;)

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spoken like a true pedestrian/cyclist :p:

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With the way 2020 is going this is my belief


B = Brexit
C = Covid-19
D = Donald Trump wins US President

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Michael Caputo, head of DHHS.

https://twitter.com/peltzmadeline/st...59525773824000

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I'm expecting Trump to win, thanks to the alphabet and here's why.


A = Australian bush fires
B = Brexit
C = Covid-19
D = Donald Trump US president again.

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Donald Trump nominated for Nobel Peace Prize - US president 'has done more than most'


The US President’s nomination came from right-wing Norwegian politician Christian Tybring-Gjeddee who praised Donald Trump for his efforts towards resolving conflicts worldwide. He particularly commended the President for his key role in the “historic peace agreement” between Israel and the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...Tybring-Gjedde

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That's just crazy, I had the peace prize down as going to the BLM organizers ;)

Shows how my joined up thinking has failed :D

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They may have been nominated too. You get a few hundred nominees every year I think.

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I love science;)

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Its not defending the police but directing some of the monies to other areas, where it is heavily needed. Such as social care, counselling etc... trying to prevent crime before it gets to the police.

No-one actually said to defend or get rid off the police all together. Just direct some dunding to areas it is much needed

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Well he's done more than Obama did, and he got one.

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Will it be for all the progress on North Korea?

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Your Google broken Hugh? :angel:

I am sure it's for the peace agreement between UAE and Israel.

Of course the Don has only been nominated, he has to win it yet, given the amount of people in the world with TDS, it will go to someone else more likely.

Obama got one in 2009, just for being elected U.S President that year.

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I highly doubt he'll make the shortlist tbh. They're probably still embarrassed by awarding to Obama anyway.

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What if instead of saying "defund the police", we instead say "reallocate funds to prevent crime"?

Same difference.

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In what universe is this the same thing?

Defund the Police means they get no funds at all, reallocate funds to where else that combats crime, surely that's the function of an authoritative body, um, that's commonly known as the police?

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Not necessarily. It means they get less funds.

Is it? Do the police decide their budget? Do the police write themselves a cheque each year?

I thought that was government that decided where public money went.

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Reallocate funds where and in what way?

Will it be TV adverts saying that 'crime doesn't pay'?
Printing and delivering leaflets to the 'poorer' areas, stating that jobs are out there if you look hard enough?
A few hundred more 'drop in centers' where people tell you drugs are no good for society?
How about 'social awareness personnel' visiting schools and passing the message on that doing homework leads to a better life than stealing cars?


:shrug: . . any ideas that might work, that haven't already been tried?

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From that Radical magazine, Good Housekeeping.

https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/lif...olice-meaning/

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How about this paper from 1998:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2020/09/2.png

Or this one from 2002: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...e_a_difference

The research is out there and it's plentiful. Preventative measures save more money than just throwing more police at it.

I never lost my compassion for my fellow man. What happened to you?

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Why are you bringing the debate about young people into this thread as well? Is there anything that isn't young people's fault?

As stated, Seph, nobody's saying get rid of the police or remove all funding, that's a misrepresentation of the argument. However it's clear that, where America is concerned, the police have largely failed in their job to prevent crime. The disproportionate responses, particularly amongst black people, has gone on too long with too little done. It's clear that spending money doing the same things over and over isn't working, so it's time to spend some of that money elsewhere.

Preventative action is better and cheaper than reactive action.

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Given the state of the USA, I'd cautiously suggest neither of the above have worked particularly well to reduce crime. Of course, the lack of job opportunities doesn't help . . which is something I think Trump was trying to address?

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Poverty does lead to crime, I certainly agree with that. Get people out of poverty and crime drops significantly.

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And they and you are wrong as well, as all know what BLM protestors were calling for in some of those States the in the US, for the complete removal of the police.

So I reiterate, in what universe does it mean to Defund, to not mean not remove funds in their entirety, I do not want the pathetic communist and leftist understanding of it thrown at me.

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This is what's called a strawman argument. You're deliberately misrepresenting the argument to make it easier to attack.

Nobody in this thread is suggesting to get rid of the police and that misconception has been addressed several times. You are point blank refusing to accept this by saying "they and you are wrong".

How can we be wrong about our own point of view?

Simple: This universe. The one you refuse to engage in.

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...an-jets-414883
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1600169692

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:D:D:D

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https://apple.news/A4okVB9eKSDusZx-G12idhg

Trump apparently ahead of Biden on the Latino vote

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Florida looks like it'll be close. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ While the other states have had stable polls Flordia is the main one edging away from Biden.

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Except...

and

Not as much support as Clinton had, but still more than Trump.

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Do reports like this impact Trump's election chances? I suspect that because America is so divided this won't. I'm still quite shocked - guess I shouldn't be!
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/16/p...all/index.html

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Nothing on Biden initially saying he was going to ban fracking and then when challenged again on this, when Journalists were finally allowed to ask him unscripted questions, he now says he won't?

I suspect he then fell asleep at 4.30pm. In his basement Hiden Biden.

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WTF is this cringeworthy bullshit from yesterday?



Btw Despacito in Spanish means "slowly", which is the perfect characterisation of Joe Hiden. :rolleyes:

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Not on CNN they don’t.

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I suspect you're correct.

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Don’t forget that Michigan gave us the Ford Motang, or was it the Motang Sound?

A good example of what "despacito" means is "despacito quiero bajar la rampa".

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Talking of the Flordia polling this article shows where they have made the most progress or lost it in the last few months: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...e-most-ground/

Flordia moving away from Biden. Minnesota moved the most towards him.

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Kamala Harris, Biden's running mate, made a Freudian slip yesterday when she referred to polices as her Administration, should Biden win, she said The "Harris Administration, together with Joe Biden."

If Biden wins, it's his Administration, not yours Harris. Unless you're already jumping the gun and enacting the 25th Amendment because of Hiden Biden's health, mainly very strong concerns that he has got some form of Dementia.

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I have to say, watching several recent videos of Biden, I don’t think he’s all there. He certainty in several instances did not look present in the moment, and seemed to lose his train of thought.

Presidential debates may be interesting.

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That’s just "herd mentality"... ;)

I think you’re up-playing it, or down-playing it - apparently it’s possible to do both.

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I hardly ever watch anything concerning US elections, but if Biden has entered the strange world of coffee on his cornflakes or wearing a 3 piece suit in bed, spitting image will far surpass the excellent Reagan stuff ;)

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I'm looking forward to its return!

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I was, until I found out its on Britbox:mad:

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Smug left-wing satire surely isn’t a reason to subscribe to anything ...

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True . . . good job Twitter is free isn't it :D

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Maybe you're trying to overthink it in complicated terms, if you're lucky someone may post a graph or retweet an analysts view complete with spreadsheet ;)

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I think I may have to give it a go for that too!

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Sorry, I always assumed you were old enough to have seen Spitting Image on TV first time round.

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VHS? If it’s not on streaming it’s not worth watching ;)

Channeling my inner OB there.

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Betamax Matters Too :p:

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BREAKING: U.S Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died aged 87. R.I.P

This means President Trump’s new Justice Nominee will in all likelihood get a vote on the Senate floor when there is only six weeks to go until the U.S Election.

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I assumed he would apply the same rules he did for Obama's nominee....

This is gonna be a massive fight. The Republicans and the President are perfectly entitled to nominate someone but they set their own precedient last time.

I also think this would give them the majority they need to ban abortion.

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America doesn’t run on precedents, we do, they have a written Constitution, we don’t. What McConnell said in 2016 is not in the Constitution. Obviously in 2016, it was Republican Senate and a Democrat President. This time it’s both a Republican controlled Senate and White House.

The other important factor is that the Supreme Court most definitely needs a full compliment of Justices in highly heated contest like Bush vs. Gore election, required Supreme Court intervention.

Also, McConnell should steam ahead, the way the pathetic Democrats have behaved this last four years, the hoax investigations and the crap they threw at an honourable man in Justice Kavanaugh, they do not deserve this seat at all.

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Not entirely true. The Supreme Court’s rulings become precedent without then requiring legislation or constitutional amendment. Granted the court is interpreting the constitution in specific circumstances but their rulings can and do permanently alter the way public life is conducted. (Roe v Wade is a historic example which determined a woman’s basic right under the constitution to have an abortion). Lower courts’ rulings may set precedent or be regarded as ‘persuasive’ in subsequent cases.

I think what’s at issue here is what we in the UK would understand as convention rather than precedent. We often do stuff in government because that’s how it has been done before, and it is widely regarded as politically difficult (though not illegal) to behave differently without good cause. Giving parliament a vote on military involvement in Syria is a good example of this. Even though it was only done once, hard questions will be asked if the government moves to deploy armed forces to a foreign battlefield in future, without asking parliament first.

I suspect - though I don’t know for sure - that what’s at play in the US right now is similar to our unwritten system of convention rather than the legal process we would call precedent. Trump’s opponents are pointing out that he is not behaving conventionally. It’s not a legal claim, but a political one, which in the middle of an election campaign, seems a perfectly reasonable course of action.

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I'm just concerned about all those women who could find themselves facing a further erosion of their reproductive rights if there isn't a careful choice made by whomever.

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If it’s not Constitutional Chris, no precedent can persist. Roe vs Wade, could be overturned in a Supreme Conservative led Court. The court cannot invent laws, that’s the job of the legislature. Republicans have tried to legislate and have passed legislation, only for it to be vetoed by then President Bill Clinton.

What McConnell said in 2016 wasn’t a legal ruling or precedent. It’s just he was Senate Majority leader and he wasn’t going to allow a Democrat President get his Nomination confirmed, in an election year where a Republican president could win and get his nomination in, there is nothing unjust about this. It’s called party affiliation. If Democrats want to appoint justices they have to win elections and be in control of the Senate.

The issue of abortion is a highly emotive and separate topic.

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I’m basically agreeing with you. ;). The abortion issue is relevant here only to the extent that it illustrates the operation of legal, constitutional precedent in the US system.

That’s why I was chewing over what we call convention, because that’s the concept that I think they’re actually appealing to as we would understand it. The principle of Precedent does apply in the USA as it does here, and is not absolute in the USA or the U.K.; the difference is that Parliament in the U.K. can always legislate to overturn a precedent even if it’s set by a ruling of our Supreme Court because the UK’s Supreme Court is not a constitutional court, but is really just the final court of appeal. In the USA, however, if the constitution needs to be interpreted, their Supreme Court performs that function and once it has ruled, then that is the interpretation that stands, unless it is modified in future by the Supreme Court again, or in the highly unlikely event of a constitutional amendment being passed by the appropriate supermajority in both legislative houses.

I don’t know the US system well enough to know how persuasive past political decisions are in creating convention (or precedent as they call it). I suspect that it is not as strong as the Democrats are making out, and that this is all part of the heat and noise of the election campaign rather than a genuine democratic outrage.

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He has since walked back on this.

The way Democrat’s have behaved in this last few years, they have let their Trump hatred lose their minds, veer to the far left. Allowed rioters to destroy some of their own districts by lawlessness, look at the crime rate in New York, it has absolutely soared under Democrat rule, other areas under their governances refusing federal assistance to curb the rioting and arsonists.

Do I think for one minute if circumstances would be in reverse that Democrats would leave a S.C. seat open. I highly doubt it.

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If Trump was half confident of winning the election the he'd happily wait until November before installing a Republican judge. However, he's shrewd enough to know the game is up and so is trying to make mischief for the Biden administration.