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Pierre 23-05-2020 18:07
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036330)
Police are still saying they spoke to the family, No 10 still saying they didn't.
Police are saying they spoke to “the owners of a property”

Damien 23-05-2020 18:08
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Did they get the wrong house? :D

Taf 23-05-2020 18:18
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Damien 23-05-2020 18:28
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...45427781722118

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On whether Dominic Cummings should or should not resign from his job as advisor to the Prime Minister:

Should resign: 52%
Should not resign: 28%

via @YouGov, 23 May

Cummings will keep his job but it's another hit for the Government to take.

nomadking 23-05-2020 18:39
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They were still self-isolating, in that they didn't have contact with any other household. That is the underlying criteria.

Most of those saying he should resign, are the ones who have been saying the same thing long before now.

Love to know what they should've done in such a short time frame to arrange anything.

Mr K 23-05-2020 18:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036330)
Police are still saying they spoke to the family, No 10 still saying they didn't.
Yes, that is inconvenient. There'll be a phonecall to a Chief Constable shortly demanding their version be 're-imagined' if the they still want a pension/CBE.....

Mythica 23-05-2020 19:03
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36036346)
They were still self-isolating, in that they didn't have contact with any other household. That is the underlying criteria.

Most of those saying he should resign, are the ones who have been saying the same thing long before now.

Love to know what they should've done in such a short time frame to arrange anything.
Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone. Surely the best bet would be isolating as much as possible from the wife in the same house and hoping that the virus didn't hit him bad, not travelling 250 miles and potentially spreading it in a garage and to the other household. With the position he holds, I'm sure some emergency care could have been arranged if he did get the virus bad.

Mick 23-05-2020 19:09
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036343)
https://twitter.com/britainelects/st...45427781722118




Cummings will keep his job but it's another hit for the Government to take.
Poll of 3,700 people is hardly a hit.

The next question we should ask is, were the people who took part in that You Gov poll, mislead by a pathetic bunch of media hacks with a rather pathetic obsession of Cummings and they have axe to grind?

There is a much larger twitter poll on Momentum's main twitter page, over 25K votes, majority says he shouldn't resign and this is Momentum... :rofl:

He definitely shouldn't when no laws or rules were broken here.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 19:11
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36036346)
They were still self-isolating, in that they didn't have contact with any other household. That is the underlying criteria.

Most of those saying he should resign, are the ones who have been saying the same thing long before now.

Love to know what they should've done in such a short time frame to arrange anything.
Judging by Twitter today, they have plenty of friends they could call upon for childcare. ;) And they obviously had some kind of arrangements in place for this as they both worked. 16-hour days in Dominic's case, according to his wife.

I struggle to understand how they could have got all the way to Durham without filling up for petrol and taking a comfort break which would have resulted in contact with others.

Damien 23-05-2020 19:11
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Campaigners can brigade Internet polls, can’t do that with proper polls

Mick 23-05-2020 19:22
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I am still intrigued as to what rules and laws were broken here, anyone?

They left for their parents, to safeguarding of the child, which is in no doubt what any other common sense parent should have done, above all else that overrides everything else. But of course we are dealing with Cummings here and the haters are going to hate whatever he had done.

Mr K 23-05-2020 19:26
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036357)
I am still intrigued as to what rules and laws were broken here, anyone?

They left for their parents, to safeguarding of the child, which is in no doubt what any other common sense parent should have done, above all else that overrides everything else. But of course we are dealing with Cummings here and the haters are going to hate whatever he had done.
It's the do as I say, not as I do, attitude Mick. Not just by Cummings by by a minister (Jenrick) who was allowed to get away with it. You don't have to break a law to be unsuited for office, there's the spirit of the law too.

Mick 23-05-2020 19:28
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036335)
Wow! Seven pages already. Certainly seems to be a keen interest in this story.
Actually, if you had bothered to read. 53 posts all pertaining to be about Cummings were removed out of the Coronavirus thread because I did not want that thread becoming just about a man who broke no rules or laws. Simple isn't it?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36036358)
It's the do as I say, not as I do, attitude Mick. Not just by Cummings by by a minister (Jenrick) who was allowed to get away with it. You don't have to break a law to be unsuited for office, there's the spirit of the law too.
Jenrick broke no laws either.

Damien 23-05-2020 19:46
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The Guardian is reporting an eyewitness saw him back in Durham after he was spotting in London recovered from the virus. Suggesting he went back there after coming back to London. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ockdown-claims

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One saw him in Durham on 19 April, days after Cummings was photographed in London having recovered from the virus.

A week earlier Cummings was seen by another witness in Barnard Castle on Easter Day, 30 miles away from Durham, the investigation found. The town, which takes its name from the English Heritage site at its centre, is a popular destination for days out.
Not completely convincing, witnesses can be mistaken, but the press is going swarm is see if there is further evidence that he either didn't self-isolate when there or went back and forth.



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The Mirror has a different witness seeing him back in Durham after he had returned to Downing street: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politi...kdown-22075857

1andrew1 23-05-2020 19:47
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036357)
I am still intrigued as to what rules and laws were broken here, anyone?

They left for their parents, to safeguarding of the child, which is in no doubt what any other common sense parent should have done, above all else that overrides everything else. But of course we are dealing with Cummings here and the haters are going to hate whatever he had done.
I think the recent letter from the Labour Party should help in this regard. Let's not forget that the Code of Conduct for Special Advisers states that advisers must “comply with the law and uphold the administration of justice.”
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Claim: “Owing to his wife being infected with suspected coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for.”

Response: On 16 March 2020, the Prime Minister advised the British public to “stop non-essential contact with others and to stop all unnecessary travel”. On 23 March, he then instructed the British public to stay at home except for certain “very limited purposes”.

These rules were enshrined in law on 26 March:

“During the emergency period, no person may leave the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.”

In addition to this, the government’s guidance published on 23 March advised that if you were experiencing symptoms of coronavirus you must stay at home for 7 days and if you live with someone who has symptoms, self-isolate for 14 days from the day their symptoms started:

“If you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus, then you must stay at home for 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days.”

The NHS advice also states that: “If you or someone you live with has symptoms of coronavirus: do not leave your home for any reason – if you need food or medicine, order it online or by phone, or ask someone to deliver it to your home; do not have visitors in your home – including friends and family; do any exercise at home – you can use your garden, if you have one.”

The actions of Dominic Cummings would appear to be inconsistent with official advice.

Claim: “His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to but separate from his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside.”

Response: I understand Number 10 sources are pointing to Dominic Cummings and his wife needing childcare. However, it does not appear to be within the government’s guidelines – or in the spirit of the guidelines – that a 260-mile trip can be justified, including the risk this could have brought to spreading the infection from London to another part of the country.
https://labourlist.org/2020/05/labou...lockdown-trip/

nomadking 23-05-2020 19:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036352)
Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone. Surely the best bet would be isolating as much as possible from the wife in the same house and hoping that the virus didn't hit him bad, not travelling 250 miles and potentially spreading it in a garage and to the other household. With the position he holds, I'm sure some emergency care could have been arranged if he did get the virus bad.
The HOUSEHOLD as a whole self-isolates, as the others could still be carrying it, without yet showing symptoms. What other household did they have contact with?:rolleyes:

Most people wouldn't have the option of moving to a spare property whilst self-isolating. The advice has to be set out how it is likely to apply for MOST people.
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if you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus (COVID-19), then you must stay at home for at least 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days. The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill.
They did it out of NECESSITY.

Mick 23-05-2020 19:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036363)
The Guardian is reporting an eyewitness saw him back in Durham after he was spotting in London recovered from the virus. Suggesting he went back there after coming back to London. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ockdown-claims



Not completely convincing, witnesses can be mistaken, but the press is going swarm is see if there is further evidence that he either didn't self-isolate when there or went back and forth.

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It was never communicated that you were allowed to relocate closer to family as a precautionary measure should a virus have started to spread. It was always that you had to stay home if you caught the virus.
Yes but as already explained, the exception here was that we had the issue of a young child's welfare that needed to be safeguarded by being looked after by trusted parties. We don't know why Cummings didn't choose someone more local to him, he might have already asked people, who then said no, he might have had people close by he knew but that does not mean he should have to entrust them with his own child. A parent should have the right to choose who they want, in this case he chose his parents probably like any other parent of a young child would have and likely to have done so.

Damien 23-05-2020 19:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36036367)
The HOUSEHOLD as a whole self-isolates, as the others could still be carrying it, without yet showing symptoms. What other household did they have contact with?:rolleyes:

Most people wouldn't have the option of moving to a spare property whilst self-isolating.
They did it out of NECESSITY.
I know you likely don't believe it but if he had, after he had recovered and returned to London, then went back to Durham would you suggest that's enough for him to be fired?

Mick 23-05-2020 19:52
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036366)
I think the recent letter from the Labour Party should help in this regard. Let's not forget that the Code of Conduct for Special Advisers states that advisers must “comply with the law and uphold the administration of justice.”

https://labourlist.org/2020/05/labou...lockdown-trip/
And they should be told that he broke no rules or laws and then told to stfu.

I care little for anything said or requested by the Labour party.

I must insist Dominic Cummings broke no rules or laws.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 19:57
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036369)
Yes but as already explained, the exception here was that we had the issue of a young child's welfare that needed to be safeguarded by being looked after by trusted parties. We don't know why Cummings didn't choose someone more local to him, he might have already asked people, who then said no, he might have had people close by he knew but that does not mean he should have to entrust them with his own child. A parent should have the right to choose who they want, in this case he chose his parents probably like any other parent of a young child would have and likely to have done so.
Whatever our views of having an exception for childcare, it did not exist when Dominic Cummings drove to Durham. No ifs, buts or maybes.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036373)
And they should be told that he broke no rules or laws and then told to stfu.

I care little for anything said or requested by the Labour party.

I must insist Dominic Cummings broke no rules or laws.
Surely you must agree he broke the following, even if you sympathised with him doing so?
“If you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus, then you must stay at home for 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days.”

The NHS advice also states that: “If you or someone you live with has symptoms of coronavirus: do not leave your home for any reason – if you need food or medicine, order it online or by phone, or ask someone to deliver it to your home; do not have visitors in your home – including friends and family; do any exercise at home – you can use your garden, if you have one.”

Mick 23-05-2020 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036374)
Whatever our views of having an exception for childcare, it did not exist when Dominic Cummings drove to Durham. No ifs, buts or maybes.

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Surely you must agree he broke the following, even if you sympathised with him doing so?
“If you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus, then you must stay at home for 7 days, but all other household members who remain well must stay at home and not leave the house for 14 days.”

The NHS advice also states that: “If you or someone you live with has symptoms of coronavirus: do not leave your home for any reason – if you need food or medicine, order it online or by phone, or ask someone to deliver it to your home; do not have visitors in your home – including friends and family; do any exercise at home – you can use your garden, if you have one.”
Great, now do the section which highlights areas where you live with children. :rolleyes:

Mythica 23-05-2020 20:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36036367)
The HOUSEHOLD as a whole self-isolates, as the others could still be carrying it, without yet showing symptoms. What other household did they have contact with?:rolleyes:

Most people wouldn't have the option of moving to a spare property whilst self-isolating. The advice has to be set out how it is likely to apply for MOST people.
They did it out of NECESSITY.
I never said otherwise and also didn't mention a spare property. I said they should isolate as much as possible away from the wife in the same house.

The one he presumably dropped the child at? Who as you say could not be showing symptoms yet but could still be carrying the virus.

They didn't do it out of necessity. If he was well enough to drive 250 miles, then he was well enough to stay at home. Worst case scenario is if he becomes too unwell then I'm sure with the position he holds, emergency care would have been put in place for the child.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 20:24
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036388)
Great, now do the section which highlights areas where you live with children. :rolleyes:
I've just done it! Please don't shoot the messengr if you don't like the message.

Mick 23-05-2020 20:29
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036392)
I've just done it! Please don't shoot the messengr if you don't like the message.
I am not seeing the following.

"Living with children" section in any of your posts.

Sephiroth 23-05-2020 20:32
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Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036389)
I never said otherwise and also didn't mention a spare property. I said they should isolate as much as possible away from the wife in the same house.

The one he presumably dropped the child at? Who as you say could not be showing symptoms yet but could still be carrying the virus.

They didn't do it out of necessity. If he was well enough to drive 250 miles, then he was well enough to stay at home. Worst case scenario is if he becomes too unwell then I'm sure with the position he holds, emergency care would have been put in place for the child.
Do you have children? Is that (what you said above) how you would have behaved knowing what CV does? Wouldn't you put your children first?

Damien 23-05-2020 20:34
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Sky story on those reports he made a second visit: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ports-11993601

It's very likely The Mirror had this planned when they published the story yesterday and were setting a trap....

Mick 23-05-2020 20:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036394)
I am not seeing the following.

"Living with children" section in any of your posts.
Let me give you a hand....

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If you are living with children
Keep following this advice to the best of your ability, however, we are aware that not all these measures will be possible.

What we have seen so far is that children with coronavirus (COVID-19) appear to be less severely affected. It is nevertheless important to do your best to follow this guidance.

Mr K 23-05-2020 20:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036363)
The Guardian is reporting an eyewitness saw him back in Durham after he was spotting in London recovered from the virus. Suggesting he went back there after coming back to London. https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ockdown-claims
Torygraph running with that too now. The tide has turned for young Dominic as his lies unfold...

1andrew1 23-05-2020 20:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036394)
I am not seeing the following.

"Living with children" section in any of your posts.
Just to clarify matters - there were no separate sections for people's household status at the time that Dominic Cummings drove to Durham. Rules is rules, especially if you helped write them!

Yes, he may well have got them added two weeks later after the press asked about his relocation to Durham.

Mick 23-05-2020 20:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036396)
Sky story on those reports he made a second visit: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ports-11993601

It's very likely The Mirror had this planned when they published the story yesterday and were setting a trap....
The Mirror (and many other media outlets) is gutter journalism at it's finest, where they demanding Campbell resign when he and Labour wrongly promoted WMD for their illegal Iraq war far far more serious than someone going to see his parents so they could look after his son?

1andrew1 23-05-2020 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036396)
Sky story on those reports he made a second visit: https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ports-11993601

It's very likely The Mirror had this planned when they published the story yesterday and were setting a trap....
He was given the chance yesterday to do the honourable thing. They must have known that he felt he was above the law. Ooops.

Damien 23-05-2020 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036401)
The Mirror (and many other media outlets) is gutter journalism at it's finest, where they demanding Campbell resign when he and Labour wrongly promoted WMD for their illegal Iraq war far far more serious than someone going to see his parents so they could look after his son?
Yes, The Iraq war has bad. That isn't really relevant to this debate though.

And now The Mirror are saying he had made more than one trip. Which certainly isn't self-isolation or within the rules not to travel between homes.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 20:45
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36036398)
Torygraph running with that too now. The tide has turned for young Dominic as his lies unfold...
Never let it be said that I've never defended Dominic Cummings - Durham is a lovely city! :D

Mr K 23-05-2020 20:48
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036404)
Never let it be said that I've never defended Dominic Cummings - Durham is a lovely city! :D
Yeah I once went their on a Sixth Form jolly (long ago), drank a lot and fell in the river. Don't remember much else...

denphone 23-05-2020 20:49
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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036403)
Yes, The Iraq war has bad. That isn't really relevant to this debate though.

And now The Mirror are saying he had made more than one trip. Which certainly isn't self-isolation or within the rules not to travel between homes.
Exactly as it has nothing to do with the debate.

Sephiroth 23-05-2020 20:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036399)
Just to clarify matters - there were no separate sections for people's household status at the time that Dominic Cummings drove to Durham. Rules is rules, especially if you helped write them!

Yes, he may well have got them added two weeks later after the press asked about his relocation to Durham.
Oh ridiculous. You're just on a witch hunt and in any case rules have to be reasonably interpreted and not rigidly just because it's Cummings.

Mick 23-05-2020 20:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36036398)
Torygraph running with that too now. The tide has turned for young Dominic as his lies unfold...
Stop talking utter bollocks - no tide has turned, he won't resign and Boris will not sack him, not with a 80 seat majority and not when he has not done anything wrong. Keep going though in desperation, this is not like last year when the Conservatives were a minority government and folk like you, were promoting Corbyn and Lib Dems and co, look where that got you lot. :p: :rolleyes:

denphone 23-05-2020 20:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036403)
Yes, The Iraq war has bad. That isn't really relevant to this debate though.

And now The Mirror are saying he had made more than one trip. Which certainly isn't self-isolation or within the rules not to travel between homes.
Given most of the media including the Conservative ones are now carrying the second lockdown revelation his position is frankly untenable as even some Conservatives have said he has got to go now.

Mick 23-05-2020 20:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036403)
Yes, The Iraq war has bad. That isn't really relevant to this debate though.

And now The Mirror are saying he had made more than one trip. Which certainly isn't self-isolation or within the rules not to travel between homes.
Depends on what that 2nd visit was for. If it was essential visit like the first one was, then no laws or rules broken.

Mirror talks utter shit as usual and is just trying to play political Gotcha's, this won't end well for them if they think Cummings will be going anywhere soon.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 20:56
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Piers Morgan makes a good point. Whilst I don't think they're all "busted flushes", many Ministers will be pretty annoyed to have been asked to Tweet support for Cummings today only to find there is more apparent dirt on him.
Quote:
"Lying Cummings hasn't just guaranteed he's now toast, he's also trashed the credibility of every senior cabinet minister that rushed to support him breaking the lockdown.
They're all busted flushes now."

denphone 23-05-2020 20:56
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036410)
Depends on what that 2nd visit was for. If it was essential visit like the first one was, then no laws or rules broken.

Mirror talks utter shit as usual and is just trying to play political Gotcha's, this won't end well for them if they think Cummings will be going anywhere soon.
So its one law for the government and its advisors and one law for us normal people.

What a almighty hypocritical contradiction.

Damien 23-05-2020 20:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036410)
Depends on what that 2nd visit was for. If it was essential visit like the first one was, then no laws or rules broken.
They'll just say it's 'essential' that he had to go back up then. How many trips does he need to make? At this point he had recovered so there was no emergency child care needed. Why couldn't he self-isolate this time?

Mick 23-05-2020 20:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36036409)
Given most of the media including the Conservative ones are now carrying the second lockdown revelation his position is frankly untenable as even some Conservatives have said he has got to go now.
Oh come off it Den - Cummings position would be or should be untenable anyway, before this non-story, according to the haters, he should have been gone a long time ago and lets see why, he is the mastermind of Brexit, the obsession on him is really pathetic.

He should not go anywhere, he did nothing wrong and broke no laws.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 20:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036410)
Depends on what that 2nd visit was for. If it was essential visit like the first one was, then no laws or rules broken.

Mirror talks utter shit as usual and is just trying to play political Gotcha's, this won't end well for them if they think Cummings will be going anywhere soon.
Just accept he's guilty, Mick. Move on, put your feet up and enjoy the evening. No further benefit in defending the indefensible. ;)

Mick 23-05-2020 21:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036413)
They'll just say it's 'essential' that he had to go back up then. How many trips does he need to make? At this point he had recovered so there was no emergency child care needed. Why couldn't he self-isolate this time?
Perhaps he visited to collect his child he dropped off, hence the second visit?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036415)
Just accept he's guilty, Mick. Move on, put your feet up and enjoy the evening. No further benefit in defending the indefensible. ;)
He's guilty of protecting his child and that is all!!!

Damien 23-05-2020 21:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036416)
Perhaps he visited to collect his child he dropped off, hence the second visit?
Which would still be a violation of the rules because at that point the issue of critical safety has been addressed so he can self-isolate at home and the wife and child can stay in their Durham home. They don't all need to keep travelling back and forth. Remember, they said they never actually put the child in the care of his parents now so presumably his wife stayed up there.

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Durham Police are now doubling down saying they absolutely did talk to Cumming's family despite No 10 saying they didn't: https://twitter.com/CharlotteIvers/s...83378842558466

Either the police or No 10 are lying.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036352)
Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone.
That’s just plain wrong. We’ve been at this over two months now.

Sephiroth 23-05-2020 21:09
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036415)
Just accept he's guilty, Mick. Move on, put your feet up and enjoy the evening. No further benefit in defending the indefensible. ;)
Just accept that your comments are politically motivated.
You wish downfall on all Leave oriented prominente.

denphone 23-05-2020 21:11
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036414)
Oh come off it Den - Cummings position would be or should be untenable anyway, before this non-story, according to the haters, he should have been gone a long time ago and lets see why, he is the mastermind of Brexit, the obsession on him is really pathetic.

He should not go anywhere, he did nothing wrong and broke no laws.
l don't care two hoots about Brexit Mick as that is totally irrelevant in the debate as its happening and that is that.

Surely you must know that the public have sacrificed a awful lot in this lockdown, many have not been able to see their very sick relatives or say goodbye to them before they died , Many grandparents have not been able to see their grandchildren either , there are a whole list of sacrifice's the public have made as they have been unwavering in their support of the national lockdown.

Even many reasoned rational people will be saying today that it is alright for Dominic Cummings to break the rules which were laid down by the PM but if its one of us common people its not alright.

Its hypocrisy of the highest order.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:11
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036354)
And they obviously had some kind of arrangements in place for this as they both worked. 16-hour days in Dominic's case, according to his wife.
.
Yes they probably did before lockdown, we did. ........newsflash, nurseries and child care has been shut since lockdown...................

1andrew1 23-05-2020 21:12
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036416)
Perhaps he visited to collect his child he dropped off, hence the second visit?

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He's guilty of protecting his child and that is all!!!
Cummings will be back, he's a talented guy but he's on his way out and your bravado won't alter the facts.
Breaking the law is not a good way to protect your child.

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:12
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036395)
Do you have children? Is that (what you said above) how you would have behaved knowing what CV does? Wouldn't you put your children first?
I'd follow the government and NHS guidelines. I wouldn't travel 250 miles.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:12
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36036358)
You don't have to break a law to be unsuited for office
He’s not in office.

Mick 23-05-2020 21:13
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036418)
Which would still be a violation of the rules because at that point the issue of critical safety has been addressed so he can self-isolate at home and the wife and child can stay in their Durham home. They don't all need to keep travelling back and forth. Remember, they said they never actually put the child in the care of his parents now so presumably his wife stayed up there.
As per usual it's believing crap written in gutter papers like the Mirror and guardian both absolute dire newspapers, have they produced any photos yet?

Is it any wonder the gutter press is less respected than politicians...

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:15
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036363)
The Guardian is reporting an eyewitness
Of course they are.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036366)
I think the recent letter from the Labour Party should help in this regard. Let's not forget that the Code of Conduct for Special Advisers states that advisers must “comply with the law and uphold the administration of justice.”
Did he break the law?

Mick 23-05-2020 21:15
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036424)
Cummings will be back, he's a talented guy but he's on his way out and your bravado won't alter the facts.
Breaking the law is not a good way to protect your child.
He has not broke the law, a retired police chief said this as early as today.

He is not on his way out!

He's staying put and so he should, he has done nothing wrong and nothing you say alters this.

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:17
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036420)
That’s just plain wrong. We’ve been at this over two months now.
Whats wrong about it?

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:18
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036411)
Piers Morgan makes a good point. Whilst I don't think they're all "busted flushes", many Ministers will be pretty annoyed to have been asked to Tweet support for Cummings today only to find there is more apparent dirt on him.
Morgan is a dick.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036415)
Just accept he's guilty,
Of what?

Mick 23-05-2020 21:20
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036428)

Did he break the law?
No he didn't.

The law says it in black and white, you cannot leave your house during lockdown without a reasonable excuse, well he had a reasonable excuse.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:21
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036425)
I'd follow the government and NHS guidelines. I wouldn't travel 250 miles.
Police have just arrested two Scottish guys that went 500 miles.............

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:22
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036434)
No he didn't.

The law says it in black and white, you cannot leave your house during lockdown without a reasonable excuse, well he had a reasonable excuse.
Thats for matter of debate and not black and white. If he was well enough to drive 250 miles then their is an argument he didn't need to go.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:22
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036431)
Whats wrong about it?
Self isolation within a family Unit is perfectly correct.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 21:22
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Thinking ahead, Craig Phillips says he woukd put money on Celebrity Big brother returning next year. Perhaps this could be an opportunity for Dominic Cummings to redeem his career, assuming he is able to stay in one place for several weeks on end! :D

https://www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2...ing-next-year/

Mick 23-05-2020 21:22
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036418)
Durham Police are now doubling down saying they absolutely did talk to Cumming's family despite No 10 saying they didn't: https://twitter.com/CharlotteIvers/s...83378842558466

Either the police or No 10 are lying.
Talking to Cummings family is a bit different to actually talking to Mr Cummings himself.

Damien 23-05-2020 21:22
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036428)
Of course they are.
If he did go a second time do you think he should be fired?

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:23
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036435)
Police have just arrested two Scottish guys that went 500 miles.............
Ok..... how is that irrelevant to the debate. And yes I do get it.

Damien 23-05-2020 21:23
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036439)
Talking to Cummings family is a bit different to actually talking to Mr Cummings himself.
And No 10 said:

Quote:
At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:24
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036436)
Thats for matter of debate and not black and white. If he was well enough to drive 250 miles then their is an argument he didn't need to go.
Why?

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:24
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036437)
Self isolation within a family Unit is perfectly correct.
In the context it was written it was quite clear what was written.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:26
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036440)
If he did go a second time do you think he should be fired?
If he went a second time, and it was after he had got over the infection. Then no, of course not. For What possible reason would he be.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 21:26
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036428)

Did he break the law?
Yes, per the letter I referred to earlier.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:26
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036442)
Ok..... how is that irrelevant to the debate. And yes I do get it.
It totally irrelevant, cheers.

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:27
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036444)
Why?
Because as you have just pointed out in another post, you self isolate as a unit. He should have stayed home per the Government and NHS guidelines and made sure he tried to self idolate from the wife as much as possible.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:27
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036445)
In the context it was written it was quite clear what was written.
What was written.

Damien 23-05-2020 21:27
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036446)
If he went a second time, and it was after he had got over the infection. Then no, of course not. For What possible reason would he be.
There isn't a rule saying you can go where you like after you have had the infection.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:27
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036447)
Yes, per the letter I referred to earlier.
Nope.

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:28
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036448)
It totally irrelevant, cheers.
Great.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036450)
What was written.
Well you've read it as you replied to it. Maybe read the thread before jumping in.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 21:31
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036407)
Oh ridiculous. You're just on a witch hunt and in any case rules have to be reasonably interpreted and not rigidly just because it's Cummings.
It's quite explicit what those rules state, it's not a Woolworths pick'n'mix where you select those rules you like and leave the ones you don't like.
Your admiration of Cummings' undoubted talents is clouding your judgment in this case as you didn't defend the other key individuals who transgressed the lockdown rules.

Sephiroth 23-05-2020 21:31
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036435)
Police have just arrested two Scottish guys that went 500 miles.............
Unlikely to have children to protect!

1andrew1 23-05-2020 21:32
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036452)
Nope.
Can't make it any easier for you than that, I'm afraid. Sorry.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:33
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036451)
There isn't a rule saying you can go where you like after you have had the infection.
Was he going to work?

Damien 23-05-2020 21:34
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036458)
Was he going to work?
250 miles away is a hell of a commute.

Sephiroth 23-05-2020 21:34
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036455)
It's quite explicit what those rules state, it's not a Woolworths pick'n'mix where you select those rules you like and leave the ones you don't like.
Your admiration of Cummings' undoubted talents is clouding your judgment in this case as you didn't defend the other key individuals who transgressed the lockdown rules.
I've already said a few posts ago that I'm no fan of Cummings.

As to the other key individuals to whom you alluded, the Scottish MO did break the rules because she had no reasonable excuse to visit her 2nd home, unlike Cummings who was protecting his child.

What's the matter with you or are yo so blinded by your resentment of Cummings?

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:34
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036453)
Well you've read it as you replied to it. Maybe read the thread before jumping in.
Yeah but I’m not convinced you understand.

papa smurf 23-05-2020 21:35
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036435)
Police have just arrested two Scottish guys that went 500 miles.............
was it these two
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbNlMtqrYS0

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:35
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036461)
Yeah but I’m not convinced you understand.
Why is that?

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:42
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036457)
Can't make it any easier for you than that, I'm afraid. Sorry.
Shame

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036459)
250 miles away is a hell of a commute.
Is a maximum distance stipulated?

I have A neighbour that has been travelling the four corners of the nation throughout lockdown.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036463)
Why is that?
Because you Don’t come across as if you do.

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:43
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036464)
Shame

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Is a maximum distance stipulated?

I have A neighbour that has been travelling the four corners of the nation throughout lockdown.

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Because you Don’t come across as if you do.
Well explain why?

Damien 23-05-2020 21:45
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036464)
Is a maximum distance stipulated?
We already know he lives in London and if he had to return for work he can self-isolate at home. He doesn't need to go back and forth, he clearly cannot commute back and forth from Durham to Westminster daily.

I think this is getting a bit silly now. I don't quite understand why you're so defensive of him but we clearly don't agree, I think he broke the rules of the lockdown and advisors to the Government who helped design these rules should follow them.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:51
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036468)
Well explain why?
How do you expect me to explain it if you can’t?

Mick 23-05-2020 21:54
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
No 10, tonight and digging their heels in here and who can blame them over a non-story.

Basically they rubbish the claims written in the Mirror and Guardian, calls them "Campaigning newspapers" and won't waste time answering questions to inaccurate stories written in them. Couldn't have said it any better myself, tell them to piss off Boris and co.

Mythica 23-05-2020 21:57
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036471)
How do you expect me to explain it if you can’t?
I think you've confused yourself and rather than just admitting it are now trying to skirt around the issue by blaming me.

Pierre 23-05-2020 21:59
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036469)
We already know he lives in London and if he had to return for work he can self-isolate at home. He doesn't need to go back and forth, he clearly cannot commute back and forth from Durham to Westminster daily.

I think this is getting a bit silly now. I don't quite understand why you're so defensive of him but we clearly don't agree, I think he broke the rules of the lockdown and advisors to the Government who helped design these rules should follow them.
It is getting silly, we can agree on that.

I’m not defensive of him so much, but I am defensive in so far as a media/political witch hunt that is unnecessary and boring, and I would love him to tell the media to go screw themselves.

I’m on record as saying the quickest way to make this go away would be to resign, but I’m happy if He doesn’t.

I am defensive Of him, in so far as he did what he thought was best for him and his family, and I would do the same. Any father on this forum is lying if they say otherwise.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036473)
I think you've confused yourself and rather than just admitting it are now trying to skirt around the issue by blaming me.
I haven’t blamed you for anything.

Mythica 23-05-2020 22:04
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036474)
It is getting silly, we can agree on that.

I’m not defensive of him so much, but I am defensive in so far as a media/political witch hunt that is unnecessary and boring, and I would love him to tell the media to go screw themselves.

I’m on record as saying the quickest way to make this go away would be to resign, but I’m happy if He doesn’t.

I am defensive Of him, in so far as he did what he thought was best for him and his family, and I would do the same. Any father on this forum is lying if they say otherwise.

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I haven’t blamed you for anything.
Sigh. Let's get back to basics.

What was the problem with what I said?

Damien 23-05-2020 22:08
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36036472)
No 10, tonight and digging their heels in here and who can blame them over a non-story.

Basically they rubbish the claims written in the Mirror and Guardian, calls them "Campaigning newspapers" and won't waste time answering questions to inaccurate stories written in them. Couldn't have said it any better myself, tell them to piss off Boris and co.
What they're actually doing is dismissing it without an outright denial of the claims since they don't know if The Guardian and The Mirror are holding anything back.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036474)
I’m not defensive of him so much, but I am defensive in so far as a media/political witch hunt that is unnecessary and boring, and I would love him to tell the media to go screw themselves.
If we leave aside the rights/wrongs and perceptions of what he is accused of doing and talk about that media aspect. I think the media are probably in better touch with their readership here. You may feel it's unfair but notice how even the Tories traditional allies in the press are deserting them on this issue, I think the public is likely to be furious about it.

As you said most people would want to do what's best for their families but for them that has meant being kept away. Some times in very hard situations. Any perception that doesn't apply to those who made the rule is very toxic. If there was an exception that you can relocate to ensure you live near a support network then I don't think that's a rule that has been communicated clearly either.

Pierre 23-05-2020 22:14
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036477)
Sigh. Let's get back to basics.

What was the problem with what I said?
I think it was this wasn’t it

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 36036352)
Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036480)
If there was an exception that you can relocate to ensure you live near a support network then I don't think that's a rule that has been communicated clearly either.
There has been lots of stuff that hasn’t been communicated clearly, but we are in muddy waters here.

There is nothing black and white in this situation, all guidance issued is with caveats and exceptions for all kinds of reasons.

This the reason the current media feeding frenzy is abhorrent.

Mythica 23-05-2020 22:28
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036481)
I think it was this wasn’t it
Ok so let me break it down for you.

I stated -

"Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone. Surely the best bet would be isolating as much as possible from the wife in the same house and hoping that the virus didn't hit him bad, not travelling 250 miles and potentially spreading it in a garage and to the other household. With the position he holds, I'm sure some emergency care could have been arranged if he did get the virus bad."

In reply to -

"They were still self-isolating, in that they didn't have contact with any other household. That is the underlying criteria."

You stated -

"That’s just plain wrong. We’ve been at this over two months now."

You stated the above but didn't quote the full post which explained the context of the self isolating issue.

To help you with the above. I stated -

"Surely the best bet would be isolating as much as possible from the wife in the same house"

Which answers the quote which you missed the important bit out and just put this.

"Self isolating doesn't mean not having contact with any other household, it means not having contact with anyone."

I then stated -

"Whats wrong about it?"

You stated -

"Self isolation within a family Unit is perfectly correct."

Which is what I stated originally if you had bothered to either read or quote correctly.

I stated -

"In the context it was written it was quite clear what was written."

Which I've explained above.

You then stated -

"What was written."

I could go on but I'm sure you understand anyway. You clearly knew you were in the wrong so just started acting funny for the sake of it.

1andrew1 23-05-2020 22:41
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36036480)
What they're actually doing is dismissing it without an outright denial of the claims since they don't know if The Guardian and The Mirror are holding anything back.
Spot on. Ministers have been caught out once already as they've tweeted in support of Cummings only to subsequently find out there were more apparent transgressions which they were not briefed on. They're not going to make the same mistake again.
I can see Guardian and Mirror journalists collecting a few press awards and doubtless the rest of the media will be looking for additional angles. The Sunday political shows wil be working overtime on it!

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36036460)
I've already said a few posts ago that I'm no fan of Cummings.

As to the other key individuals to whom you alluded, the Scottish MO did break the rules because she had no reasonable excuse to visit her 2nd home, unlike Cummings who was protecting his child.

What's the matter with you or are yo so blinded by your resentment of Cummings?
I'm an admirer of Cummings but unlike some, I acknowledge he is a flawed genius.
Were the laws that the Conservative Party enacted not sufficiently clear for you as well as Cummings?
Let's not forget, Boris Johnson was sacked by Michael Howard in 2004 after issuing denials to newspaper stories which were undermined by later revelations.
On a lighter note: https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/st...863616/photo/1

Sephiroth 23-05-2020 22:44
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36036487)
Spot on. Ministers have been caught out once already as they've tweeted in support of Cummings only to subsequently find out there were more apparent transgressions which they were not briefed on. They're not going to make the same mistake again.

I can see Guardian and Mirror journalists collecting a few press awards and doubtless the rest of the media will be looking for additional angles. The Sunday political shows wil be working overtime on it!
And that's another problem. The press hounds are focusing on the smell of blood, ignoring the human instinct to protect children (which you avoid acknowledging) and ignoring what matters - CV, care homes, deaths etc.

Hugh 23-05-2020 22:45
Re: Dominic Cummings visited parents during lockdown measures
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36036423)
Yes they probably did before lockdown, we did. ........newsflash, nurseries and child care has been shut since lockdown...................
Not for key workers*, they haven’t...

(and Cummings counts as a key worker).

*a family friend runs 10 nurseries, and she is open for children of key workers


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