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Hugh 03-03-2020 17:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026230)
I don't know Chris, in China yes but in the US?

"Another case in point: 38% of American beer drinkers surveyed this week said they wouldn't buy Corona "under any circumstances" at the moment. It's worth noting that, among regular Corona drinkers, only 4% said they would now refrain — that raises questions about whether the virus is, in fact, affecting consumer attitudes toward the brand."

Link
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/co...r-coronavirus/
Quote:
There are any number of ways a careful market researcher might attempt to tease out how, if at all, coronavirus has affected perceptions of the beer. This isn’t one of them. Instead, these questions manage to fail simultaneously in two different directions. On one hand, some of the phrasing (“In light of the coronavirus …”) implies a queasy connection between the virus and the beer that people might not have considered until they were polled.

On the other hand, the final three questions ― including the one responsible for that startling 38% statistic ― don’t explicitly mention coronavirus as a motivation at all. In other words, drinkers who said they wouldn’t buy Corona might simply have meant that they prefer to order a different brand of beer.

The much less eye-catching but entirely more plausible statistic is that, even “in light of the coronavirus,” just 4% of Americans who “usually drink Corona” say they “plan to stop” drinking it. Even here, the framing of the question is sloppy: If respondents “plan to stop,” doesn’t that imply they haven’t given it up yet?
Quote:
The real question is why this obscure poll would, even if it had been true, be able to capture the imagination of so many people. And the answer is as obvious as it is saddening: Clearly, a lot of Americans already think that their fellow citizens are stupid. The real reason a fake finding could have spread so far so quickly is that it confirmed prejudices about the world that many have held all along.

pip08456 03-03-2020 17:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36026233)
Quote:
In the U.S., interest in "corona beer virus," "beer virus" and "beer coronavirus" surged the most in Nevada, Arizona and Connecticut. Worldwide, people in Portugal, Poland and Cambodia searched the three terms more than anywhere else, according to Google.

Searches for Corona beer also started spiking on January 20, when reports of the coronavirus first started circulating.
Link

https://trends.google.com/trends/exp...%20coronavirus

Hugh 03-03-2020 18:21
Re: Coronavirus
 
I’m in agreement with you...

Pierre 03-03-2020 19:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
Whatever happened to Corona lemonade, a brand I recall from childhood, which dates me.

I remember it had a polar bear in sunglasses whose catchphrase was “it’s frothy baby”. Or similar.

denphone 03-03-2020 19:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36026245)
Whatever happened to Corona lemonade, a brand I recall from childhood, which dates me.

I remember it had a polar bear in sunglasses whose catchphrase was “it’s frothy baby”. Or similar.
Was there not a penny given back if the bottle was taken back to the shop.

Quote:
Corona was a brand of carbonated soft drink produced by Thomas & Evans Ltd in South Wales, and distributed across the United Kingdom. ... Corona was sold to The Beecham Group in 1958 and subsequently to Britvic Soft Drinks, but stopped trading as a brand in the late 1990s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(soft_drink)

Hugh 03-03-2020 19:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36026245)
Whatever happened to Corona lemonade, a brand I recall from childhood, which dates me.

I remember it had a polar bear in sunglasses whose catchphrase was “it’s frothy baby”. Or similar.
That was Cresta

Pierre 03-03-2020 19:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36026251)
That was Cresta
Ha, ha, there you go, dementia has set in. Cresta. Well it starts with a C.

Thanks for that,


Stay tuned for future episodes of Pierre mis-remembers things.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026246)
Was there not a penny given back if the bottle was taken back to the shop.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(soft_drink)
Or perhaps I’ve just mistakenly, conflated the Cresta polar bear, with Corona.

At least there was a Corona lemonade, I’m not totally senile.

pip08456 03-03-2020 19:53
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026246)
Was there not a penny given back if the bottle was taken back to the shop.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(soft_drink)
My recollection of Corona soft drinks was a wagon coming into the village where I lived at the time on a Tuesday (IIRC) and parked at the same place at the same time weekly. He did have multiple places over the day in the village and elsewhere (others up the road).

There was also another whose name I can't recall but was older (and most of the village used) who delivered in stone gallon jars that substituted as hot water bottles in winter.

BTW there was a drink called Iron Brew (from Stocks) which had an icon of a worker in a foundry weilding a sledgehammer. FU Barrs!

jfman 03-03-2020 20:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Spain have announced a new death.

Died three weeks ago.

pip08456 03-03-2020 20:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
So the announcement is not new then.

Hugh 03-03-2020 20:26
Re: Coronavirus
 
Latest from WHO.

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/deta...--3-march-2020
Quote:
...We understand that people are afraid and uncertain. Fear is a natural human response to any threat, especially when it’s a threat we don’t completely understand.

But as we get more data, we are understanding this virus, and the disease it causes, more and more.

This virus is not SARS, it’s not MERS, and it’s not influenza. It is a unique virus with unique characteristics.

Both COVID-19 and influenza cause respiratory disease and spread the same way, via small droplets of fluid from the nose and mouth of someone who is sick.

However, there are some important differences between COVID-19 and influenza.

First, COVID-19 does not transmit as efficiently as influenza, from the data we have so far.

With influenza, people who are infected but not yet sick are major drivers of transmission, which does not appear to be the case for COVID-19.

Evidence from China is that only 1% of reported cases do not have symptoms, and most of those cases develop symptoms within 2 days.

Some countries are looking for cases of COVID-19 using surveillance systems for influenza and other respiratory diseases.

Countries such as China, Ghana, Singapore and elsewhere have found very few cases of COVID-19 among such samples – or no cases at all.

The only way to be sure is by looking for COVID-19 antibodies in large numbers of people, and several countries are now doing those studies. This will give us further insight into the extent of infection in populations over time.

WHO has developed protocols on how these studies should be done, and we encourage all countries to do these studies and share their data.

The second major difference is that COVID-19 causes more severe disease than seasonal influenza.

While many people globally have built up immunity to seasonal flu strains, COVID-19 is a new virus to which no one has immunity. That means more people are susceptible to infection, and some will suffer severe disease.

Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.

Third, we have vaccines and therapeutics for seasonal flu, but at the moment there is no vaccine and no specific treatment for COVID-19. However, clinical trials of therapeutics are now being done, and more than 20 vaccines are in development.

And fourth, we don’t even talk about containment for seasonal flu – it’s just not possible. But it is possible for COVID-19. We don’t do contact tracing for seasonal flu – but countries should do it for COVID-19, because it will prevent infections and save lives. Containment is possible.

To summarize, COVID-19 spreads less efficiently than flu, transmission does not appear to be driven by people who are not sick, it causes more severe illness than flu, there are not yet any vaccines or therapeutics, and it can be contained – which is why we must do everything we can to contain it. That’s why WHO recommends a comprehensive approach.

These differences mean we can’t treat COVID-19 exactly the same way we treat flu...


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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026260)
So the announcement is not new then.
Announcement is new, the death wasn't.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN20Q2TG
Quote:
MADRID (Reuters) - A man in the Spanish region of Valencia died from coronavirus, marking the country’s first death from the outbreak, a local health official said on Tuesday.

Tests showed the man, who died on February 13, was killed by the virus, regional health chief Ana Barcelo said at a press conference.
I read (can't find the link at the moment) that other countries are re-testing people who died of what was thought to be pneumonia, but are now finding the COVID-19 in them.

pip08456 03-03-2020 20:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
AH well, I'm still not going to panic. If I get it, I get it. If I don't, I don't. There's absolutely nothing I can do to stop either.
It is the same for everyone else. Wake up and be real. It is out there and a lot will get it, who survives or not has nothing to do with those who wash their hands but if it makes you feel good go ahead scrub them 24hrs a day.

nomadking 03-03-2020 20:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026220)
Good news, the owners of Corona Beer have lost £132million in sales, so there might be some deals going down at the supermarket :)
https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/27/maker...irus-12312964/
The loss in sales referred to is in China.
Quote:
AB InBev estimates the earnings hit across China after seeing around £221 million of lost sales in the first two months of 2020 alone due to coronavirus – also known as Covid-19.
Profits were dropping before then.
Quote:
AB InBev also admitted its 2019 performance was ‘below our expectations’ as net profits slumped to £88 million in the final three months from £353 million a year earlier.

jfman 03-03-2020 21:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026260)
So the announcement is not new then.
The announcement is new. Their death on the other hand isn’t.

What’s also new (as in was not known or in the public domain) is that it demonstrates Coronavirus was in mainland Spain around two weeks before the first confirmed cases.

Edit: just saw Hugh’s post.

TheDaddy 03-03-2020 21:32
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026246)
Was there not a penny given back if the bottle was taken back to the shop.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_(soft_drink)
You were done, it was 10p

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026266)
AH well, I'm still not going to panic. If I get it, I get it. If I don't, I don't. There's absolutely nothing I can do to stop either.
It is the same for everyone else. Wake up and be real. It is out there and a lot will get it, who survives or not has nothing to do with those who wash their hands but if it makes you feel good go ahead scrub them 24hrs a day.
Chances are this will be a seasonal illness now so might be better to catch it early anf build up future immunisation for when you're older :shrug:

Hugh 03-03-2020 21:53
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36026272)
The announcement is new. Their death on the other hand isn’t.

What’s also new (as in was not known or in the public domain) is that it demonstrates Coronavirus was in mainland Spain around two weeks before the first confirmed cases.

Edit: just saw Hugh’s post.
In a Spanish newspaper

https://www.lavanguardia.com/vida/20...-valencia.html
Quote:
Translated version

The Valencian Community has confirmed the first patient killed by coronavirus in Spain. As reported by the Department of Sanitat Universal and Public Health on Tuesday afternoon at a press conference, a man died on February 13 due to severe pneumonia of unknown origin and a retrospective investigation has revealed that he had the Covid-19. This person was 69 years old and had recently traveled to Nepal.

The Minister Ana Barceló has detailed that a second analysis has detected the presence of the coronavirus in the patient, who died at the Arnau Hospital in Vilanova de València. This second test was carried out after a change in the criteria for defining cases that the Ministry did on February 27, and urged a second analysis of deaths due to pneumonia of unknown origin. It has not transcended the patient's age or if he had other diseases.

n addition, Sanitat has confirmed that there is a new active case in the community, a woman who has been detected at the Hospital de Manises. With this case, 19 people infected by coronavirus in the Valencian Community, being one of them the deceased.

This same Tuesday, Sanitat had confirmed two other new cases, those of two women who did not travel to risk areas but had been in contact with people who have previously tested positive.The two infections, according to the consellera, have been detected for the evidence established by the protocol established by the Ministry of Health from the confirmed cases. Both have mild symptoms and remain in home isolation.


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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026266)
AH well, I'm still not going to panic. If I get it, I get it. If I don't, I don't. There's absolutely nothing I can do to stop either.
It is the same for everyone else. Wake up and be real. It is out there and a lot will get it, who survives or not has nothing to do with those who wash their hands but if it makes you feel good go ahead scrub them 24hrs a day.
If it’s all the same to you, I’ll stick with the medical professionals’ advice (which is a world away from panicking).

Quote:
Avoid close contact with people who are sick.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth.
Stay home when you are sick.
Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.
Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using a regular household cleaning spray or wipe.

Follow CDC’s recommendations for using a facemask.
CDC does not recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory diseases, including COVID-19.
Facemasks should be used by people who show symptoms of COVID-19 to help prevent the spread of the disease to others. The use of facemasks is also crucial for health workers and people who are taking care of someone in close settings (at home or in a health care facility).

Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom; before eating; and after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing.

If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol. Always wash hands with soap and water if hands are visibly dirty.
Washing your hands (properly) with soap and water or using alcohol-based hand rub kills viruses that may be on your hands, reducing the chances of catching/passing on the virus.

Damien 03-03-2020 22:24
Re: Coronavirus
 
3.4% is concerning, it was estimated to be at 1-2%.

It being hard to pass on than flu and the prospect of passing it on whilst not having symptoms being less likely is good news though.

Pierre 04-03-2020 11:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36026278)
Chances are this will be a seasonal illness now so might be better to catch it early anf build up future immunisation for when you're older :shrug:
Not if you suffer from Asthma or similar, such as Mrs Pierre.

Not Panicking, but concerned.

denphone 04-03-2020 14:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
The number of coronavirus cases in the UK has jumped by 34 in a day, taking the total number of confirmed cases to 85.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...te-latest-news

Mick 04-03-2020 14:53
Re: Coronavirus
 
BREAKING: Flybe has warned UK Government that it could collapse in to Administration in days, due to Coronavirus and slump in bookings.

denphone 04-03-2020 14:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36026325)
BREAKING: Flybe has warned UK Government that it could collapse in to Administration in days, due to Coronavirus and slump in bookings.
Was there not crunch talks a few weeks ago with the government before Coronavirus struck Mick.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51453196

Chris 04-03-2020 16:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
There were, and there are proposed solutions on the table for Flybe. I think what complicates matters now is if Flybe collapses *because* of Coronavirus. Over the whole course of this crisis, which is likely to last 3-6 months, they may well not be the only ones. So if el gov steps in to rescue Flybe, even on terms previously discussed, does that mean they have to step in and rescue any other business that fails? It’s a tricky one.

Pierre 04-03-2020 18:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36026331)
There were, and there are proposed solutions on the table for Flybe. I think what complicates matters now is if Flybe collapses *because* of Coronavirus. Over the whole course of this crisis, which is likely to last 3-6 months, they may well not be the only ones. So if el gov steps in to rescue Flybe, even on terms previously discussed, does that mean they have to step in and rescue any other business that fails? It’s a tricky one.
Virtually all businesses have an essential travel only policy currently in force.

Conferences and such like are being cancelled or delayed left, right and centre.

I was due to travel to business event in March and had to cancel, cancel the hotel and flights.

This will have an economic shockwave, and there’s no way in knowing when it will be over.

jfman 04-03-2020 19:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36026282)
3.4% is concerning, it was estimated to be at 1-2%.

It being hard to pass on than flu and the prospect of passing it on whilst not having symptoms being less likely is good news though.
The 1% seems to be based on the Diamond Princess. The China figure is difficult to use because of the unknown number of infections in the early stages.

I suspect it could be as high as 5% when all is said and done. Currently many people compare the deaths to the total - ignoring that roughly 40% of those known to be infected presently have it and some won't make it.

Pierre 04-03-2020 19:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36026342)
The 1% seems to be based on the Diamond Princess. The China figure is difficult to use because of the unknown number of infections in the early stages.

I suspect it could be as high as 5% when all is said and done. Currently many people compare the deaths to the total - ignoring that roughly 40% of those known to be infected presently have it and some won't make it.
Got to bear in mind also that the death rate % will vary per country, point being I would expect lower % in Western states with better health care and healthier people.

jfman 04-03-2020 19:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36026347)
Got to bear in mind also that the death rate % will vary per country, point being I would expect lower % in Western states with better health care and healthier people.
More old people with underlying heath issues that'd finish folk off before Coronavirus in the developed world ;)

Damien 04-03-2020 20:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
America worries me a bit. They didn't have a full screening and testing program as, to their credit, our Government did and they're having more infections from people who didn't travel and a high amount of deaths to the number infected. Suggests they don't have a handle of the proper numbers

denphone 04-03-2020 20:23
Re: Coronavirus
 
Italy's figures are not looking great either as the number of confirmed deaths of patients who tested positive for coronavirus in Italy has risen to 107 from 79.

Damien 04-03-2020 20:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
If you haven't seen it this was Bill Gates warning we we're ready for an outbreak a few years ago: https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates...dy?language=en

Hugh 04-03-2020 20:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36026353)
America worries me a bit. They didn't have a full screening and testing program as, to their credit, our Government did and they're having more infections from people who didn't travel and a high amount of deaths to the number infected. Suggests they don't have a handle of the proper numbers
I have family and friends over there, and the big worry is that the cost of testing, especially if you have no insurance, or a large co-pay or high deductible, means that people aren't reporting sick, and often going to work (because, and especially if you are in the service sector, you don't get many "sick days" or sick pay).

I think that, in the US, it will be under-reported, and that people with it will still be going to work (and as I said, in the service sector, such as shop assistants, restaurant workers, taxi drivers, etc.), and will have contact with lots of people.

Which is fun, because we are flying to Miami on Friday... :erm:

denphone 04-03-2020 20:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36026358)
If you haven't seen it this was Bill Gates warning we we're ready for an outbreak a few years ago: https://www.ted.com/talks/bill_gates...dy?language=en
Sadly his message was not took on board..

RichardCoulter 04-03-2020 20:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Anyone who gets this who is over 50 with certain health problems or disabilities is at risk of complications that could lead to death according to my doctor.

This could kill me, so i'm now taking it much more seriously and have suspended going into work and all non essential travel/contact.

Mr K 04-03-2020 21:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36026364)
Anyone who gets this who is over 50 with certain health problems or disabilities is at risk of complications that could lead to death according to my doctor.

This could kill me, so i'm now taking it much more seriously and have suspended going into work and all non essential travel/contact.
What are your work saying about that as a matter of interest? Fortunately I can work remotely but that won't be possible for a lot of people.

pip08456 04-03-2020 21:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026365)
What are your work saying about that as a matter of interest? Fortunately I can work remotely but that won't be possible for a lot of people.
I seem to remember Richard saying he had his own company but I could be wrong.

Hugh 04-03-2020 21:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36026364)
Anyone who gets this who is over 50 with certain health problems or disabilities is at risk of complications that could lead to death according to my doctor.

This could kill me, so i'm now taking it much more seriously and have suspended going into work and all non essential travel/contact.
Just been to see mum-in-law, who moved into a care home just after Christmas (91yo with mild dementia and Alzheimers).

We were given a hand-out which requested not to hug/kiss/cuddle, as the elderly are especially vulnerable to the complications that would arise - also, lots of hand-cleanser for when you enter/leave the home.

Chris 04-03-2020 22:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
Flybe staff and suppliers are now all behaving as if the company has collapsed, even though no official announcement has been made. Mechanics taking their tools home to avoid finding them locked in hangars tomorrow morning, and Glasgow airport has started impounding aircraft tonight, apparently expecting the company to default on its fees.

Julian 04-03-2020 22:58
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36026371)
Flybe staff and suppliers are now all behaving as if the company has collapsed, even though no official announcement has been made. Mechanics taking their tools home to avoid finding them locked in hangars tomorrow morning, and Glasgow airport has started impounding aircraft tonight, apparently expecting the company to default on its fees.
Probably waiting until all their equipment is on the ground.

Website has gone......:(

1andrew1 04-03-2020 23:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36026372)
Probably waiting until all their equipment is on the ground.

Website has gone......:(
As has the airline :(

Quote:
Europe’s biggest regional airline, Flybe, has collapsed. All flights have been cancelled, wrecking the travel plans of tens of thousands of passengers, and more than 2,300 staff face an uncertain future.
https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a9376421.html

Julian 04-03-2020 23:54
Re: Coronavirus
 
Bless

An over zealous tabloid journalist wanting to be first with the news before it happens :rolleyes:

Chris 05-03-2020 00:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36026374)
Bless

An over zealous tabloid journalist wanting to be first with the news before it happens :rolleyes:
Simon Calder is a highly respected travel journalist, not some random night shift hack. And I can’t see anything premature about his reporting on this. It’s a perfectly reasonable summary of what has happened (the company stopped selling tickets at 10pm) and what is likely to happen next (other airlines will pick up some of the routes).

Mr K 05-03-2020 07:17
Re: Coronavirus
 
Sad for the staff but we shouldn't be using planes to get around the UK (although they did a few European destinations).

denphone 05-03-2020 07:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026379)
Sad for the staff but we shouldn't be using planes to get around the UK (although they did a few European destinations).
And how else does one get around the UK? given our roads are full and our railways don't have enough capacity.

Hugh 05-03-2020 07:45
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026379)
Sad for the staff but we shouldn't be using planes to get around the UK (although they did a few European destinations).
No, thanks - frequently flew from Leeds to Aberdeen (7 hours driving, 1 hour flight) and Leeds to Southampton (5-6 hours drive, 45 minute flight).

Mr K 05-03-2020 07:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
It's still a small country Den, but public transport needs improving and fares lowering. There's something wrong if plane tickets are cheaper than rail.

denphone 05-03-2020 08:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026383)
It's still a small country Den, but public transport needs improving and fares lowering. There's something wrong if plane tickets are cheaper than rail.
Public transport has needed improving for a long time Mr K and instead of political parties paying repeatedly lip service to it its about time they got off their posteriors and started doing something about it instead of this constant damaging short term thinking political parties are obsessed with..

Maggy 05-03-2020 09:25
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026385)
Public transport has needed improving for a long time Mr K and instead of political parties paying repeatedly lip service to it its about time they got off their posteriors and started doing something about it instead of this constant damaging short term thinking political parties are obsessed with..
:clap:

tweetiepooh 05-03-2020 10:51
Re: Coronavirus
 
But air travel impacts less (differently) to building roads/rail. Being a small island infrastructure is more likely to negatively impact more people than somewhere larger were the distances and spaces make it easier and more desirable.

Maggy 05-03-2020 11:26
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36026392)
But air travel impacts less (differently) to building roads/rail. Being a small island infrastructure is more likely to negatively impact more people than somewhere larger were the distances and spaces make it easier and more desirable.
Have you seen the train prices to Scotland and the North East.

denphone 05-03-2020 11:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
UK moves to part two of Coronavirus virus plan as cases hit 90.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51749352

Quote:
He told MPs it was "highly likely" some people now being infected in the UK have no connection to overseas cases.
Quote:
It is still being decided what measures will be taken in the delay phase - but the government has said they could include banning big events, closing schools, encouraging people to work from home and dissuading the use of public transport.

Julian 05-03-2020 15:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36026403)
Have you seen the train prices to Scotland and the North East.
Scotland and North East routes to be taken over by Loganair. :)

Linkage

denphone 05-03-2020 16:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Department of Health confirms UK cases of coronavirus now stands at 115.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/worl...-a4378996.html

Hom3r 05-03-2020 20:08
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36026143)
Just think of the vast number of people who eat in fast food joints, baker's cafe's etc who eat with their hands without washing them first.

Unless such places make hand cleaning products readily available the consequences will be dire.

Fortunately we don't eat that sort of crap.

Well my niece worked in a Bakers/Cafe, thay have hand gel for all to use.

Nowt wrong with fast food in moderation.

RichardCoulter 05-03-2020 20:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026365)
What are your work saying about that as a matter of interest? Fortunately I can work remotely but that won't be possible for a lot of people.
I co own the company I work for and the other directors have been very understanding about my worsening disability. I now only work part time and can also do some work from home, so the impact won't be as great as it would have been.

Petition to try and stop some retailers profiteering from the Coronavirus:

https://www.change.org/p/ebay-stop-o...medium=twitter

Hom3r 05-03-2020 20:16
Re: Coronavirus
 
The CV was the final nail in FlyBe's coffin, as the Governemt was not allowed un EU law to help, had we left last March the government could have helped so IMHO the remainers blocking brext are to blame.

But that is for another thread.

pip08456 05-03-2020 21:26
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36026435)
I co own the company I work for and the other directors have been very understanding about my worsening disability. I now only work part time and can also do some work from home, so the impact won't be as great as it would have been.

Petition to try and stop some retailers profiteering from the Coronavirus:

https://www.change.org/p/ebay-stop-o...medium=twitter
Good luck with that one.

denphone 05-03-2020 21:42
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026442)
Good luck with that one.
Indeed go on certain well known online sites and there is plenty of profiteering going on and not much being done to curb it.

pip08456 05-03-2020 21:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026447)
Indeed go on certain well known online sites and there is plenty of profiteering going on and not much being done to curb it.
There is only one way to curb it. Don't buy it!

Mick 05-03-2020 22:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
BREAKING: First Coronavirus death in UK. Being reported that the patient was a 70 year old woman with ongoing health problems who caught COVID-19 in UK.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...id-19-11950440

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026447)
Indeed go on certain well known online sites and there is plenty of profiteering going on and not much being done to curb it.
Actually the Competition Regulator/Watchdog has warned such shops and traders that direct exploitation of "Coronavirus" and direct profiteering of protective equipment and massive inflating of prices, will face prosecution.

denphone 06-03-2020 05:07
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026448)
There is only one way to curb it. Don't buy it!
We certainly won't but no doubt some will pay over the odds.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36026453)

Actually the Competition Regulator/Watchdog has warned such shops and traders that direct exploitation of "Coronavirus" and direct profiteering of protective equipment and massive inflating of prices, will face prosecution.
Its all fine for them to say that but its much harder to police especially online as have they got the online manpower to deal with it.

denphone 06-03-2020 14:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
The number of cases of coronavirus in the UK has now reached 163, the government has confirmed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51771815

heero_yuy 06-03-2020 14:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Quote from The Sun: A former government official has sparked outrage today after claiming a coronavirus pandemic would be "useful" in killing off NHS bed blockers.

Professor June Andrews shockingly said the deadly bug would help take elderly people "out of the system".

Her controversial comments come after a British woman yesterday became the first patient to die in the UK after testing positive for the bug.

Fears are now growing that a British man has become the second person to die in the UK from the deadly bug.

The patient, aged in his 80s, is said to have died from the disease while being treated at Milton Keynes Hospital in Buckinghamshire.

Prof Andrews admitted what she said was "horrific" as she outlined the potential outcome of a widespread outbreak.
True but not really something that needed spelling out.

I would imagine the trolls are already mashing their keyboards.

joglynne 06-03-2020 15:31
Re: Coronavirus
 
It seems there has been a second death.
Quote:
The unnamed man (in his 80s) is thought to have succumbed to the illness at Milton Keynes University Hospital last night.

He had tested positive for the killer virus once already but the NHS must carry out further tests to confirm the case and rule out a false positive, MailOnline understands.

Fellow patients and hospital staff on his ward have been isolated this morning and a deep clean has been carried out.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...rus-death.html

denphone 06-03-2020 15:41
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by joglynne (Post 36026480)
It seems there has been a second death.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...rus-death.html
Indeed Jo sadly as earlier they said it was unconfirmed as of that time.

Mick 06-03-2020 16:18
Re: Coronavirus
 
BREAKING: 47 New cases of Coronavirus in UK bringing tally to 163. Second suspected Death of 80 year old male from Milton Keynes.

Mr K 06-03-2020 17:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36026485)
BREAKING: 47 New cases of Coronavirus in UK bringing tally to 163. Second suspected Death of 80 year old male from Milton Keynes.
This is sad but many elderly die every day in the winter from flu.

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Went down the supernarket earlier, noticed there wasn't any soap of any kind to be had. Shelves completely empty. Hope someone isn't buying it all up to flog on at a profit...
Also seems to be a rush on toilet roll for some strange reason. Come armageddon it's nice to have but wouldn't be no 1 on my list.

papa smurf 06-03-2020 17:28
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026488)
This is sad but many elderly die every day in the winter from flu.

---------- Post added at 17:09 ---------- Previous post was at 17:05 ----------

Went down the supernarket earlier, noticed there wasn't any soap of any kind to be had. Shelves completely empty. Hope someone isn't buying it all up to flog on at a profit...
Also seems to be a rush on toilet roll for some strange reason. Come armageddon it's nice to have but wouldn't be no 1 on my list.
You can use the Guardian it's not much good for anything else.

nomadking 06-03-2020 18:30
Re: Coronavirus
 
Soap comes in other forms, eg shower gel, shampoo.
Link
Quote:
Northampton General Hospital is asking for the public to "respect" their efforts to keep patients safe in the face of residents reportedly stealing hand sanitiser from wards.
The Chronicle & Echo reportedly earlier today (March 6) that the hospital is facing a shortage of hand sanitiser because relatives and members of the public are stealing it from the wards.
...
A spokeswoman for the hospital said: "Over the past few days we’ve seen a marked increase in the number of hand gel dispensers being taken from our ward areas, including those at the end of our patients’ beds.
"Three dispensers have been ripped from walls around the site, and we’ve seen people coming to the site to fill up their dispensers from our supplies.

Mr K 06-03-2020 18:44
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36026497)
Unbelievable. You can rely on a crisis to bring out the worst in people.

denphone 06-03-2020 18:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026499)
Unbelievable. You can rely on a crisis to bring out the worst in people.
One has to be a human of the lowest common denominator to stoop to that level.:(

Pierre 06-03-2020 19:52
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36026499)
Unbelievable. You can rely on a crisis to bring out the worst in people.
Well I hate to blame the media.....however....if they reported things a bit more level headed and not like this was the apocalypse, people may not panic so much.

I also think a bit more leadership from Westminster wouldn’t hurt too.

denphone 06-03-2020 20:01
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36026505)
Well I hate to blame the media.....however....if they reported things a bit more level headed and not like this was the apocalypse, people may not panic so much.

I also think a bit more leadership from Westminster wouldn’t hurt too.
People panic as they doubt they are being told the real truth and in all honesty those in higher positions have not exactly got a great record of telling the population the full truth as we have seen in previous events.

papa smurf 06-03-2020 20:35
Re: Coronavirus
 
i was in aldi this morning and a woman was bulk buying chicken soup,she was emptying it by the carton load into her trolley,i popped in to buy some biscuits.

denphone 06-03-2020 20:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36026509)
i was in aldi this morning and a woman was bulk buying chicken soup,she was emptying it by the carton load into her trolley,i popped in to buy some biscuits.
My cousin and my brother went to a supermarket around dinnertime and it was bedlam in there were their exact words

Maggy 06-03-2020 22:42
Re: Coronavirus
 
Hmm! I guess I had a great deal of prescience in keeping all those Christmas and birthday gift soaps over the years.Should last us at least 6 months.

I just wish everyone would just turn the news off and go and do something a little less boring outside the house like a good long walk in the fresh air.

Julian 06-03-2020 22:50
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36026523)
Hmm! I guess I had a great deal of prescience in keeping all those Christmas and birthday gift soaps over the years.Should last us at least 6 months.

I just wish everyone would just turn the news off and go and do something a little less boring outside the house like a good long walk in the fresh air.
Well said

To that end I'm catching a train early tomorrow morning to Reading then Southampton.

Mingling with 30000 other people at the match.

Then trains home.

Crisis, what crisis......

Chris 06-03-2020 23:55
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026510)
My cousin and my brother went to a supermarket around dinnertime and it was bedlam in there were their exact words
To be fair a supermarket is never a good place to be at teatime on a Friday, with people popping in to get some bits for the weekend on their way home from work. I’d always avoid it. And sharing anecdotes like this isn’t helpful - once some people are perceived to be panic buying, in a sense it then becomes rational for other people to do it before the shelves empty.

It always comes down to confidence. It was the same with Northern Rock. A bank, or a supermarket, never has everything all its customers might demand on the premises at the time, whether it’s money or toilet rolls. Confidence that they will have enough of what people actually need, when they actually need it, is what keeps such operations afloat.

Once a lot of people start acting other than according to usual patterns of consumer activity, then the vaults run out of cash, or the shelves run out of chicken soup, or whatever, and then news of that spreads and you have a full blown panic on your hands.

Maggy 07-03-2020 00:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
I thought this virus affected the lungs and respiratory system not the rectum so why are people bulk buying toilet paper?

RichardCoulter 07-03-2020 00:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36026531)
I thought this virus affected the lungs and respiratory system not the rectum so why are people bulk buying toilet paper?
Because most of our toilet paper is manufactured in China and the virus has caused many workers to be off sick- so people are afraid that there will be shortages and are stocking up.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Julian (Post 36026524)
Well said

To that end I'm catching a train early tomorrow morning to Reading then Southampton.

Mingling with 30000 other people at the match.

Then trains home.

Crisis, what crisis......
Unfortunately, this might be your last football match for a while. The Government has called a meeting with broadcasters & sports organisations on Monday to discuss the possibility of staging events behind closed doors and banning mass gatherings.

Carth 07-03-2020 01:13
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36026532)
Unfortunately, this might be your last football match for a while. The Government has called a meeting with broadcasters & sports organisations on Monday to discuss the possibility of staging events behind closed doors and banning mass gatherings.

Has the Government (or football authorities) mentioned anything about how loss of earnings will affect the clubs involved?

pip08456 07-03-2020 07:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36026532)
Because most of our toilet paper is manufactured in China and the virus has caused many workers to be off sick- so people are afraid that there will be shortages and are stocking up.

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You'd better tell the CPI about that.

Quote:
For tissue, softness and bulk are key attributes, meaning it is expensive to move converted (sales ready) product long distances. Accordingly, most domestically consumed product is supplied by UK mills,

Maggy 07-03-2020 08:48
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36026532)
Because most of our toilet paper is manufactured in China and the virus has caused many workers to be off sick- so people are afraid that there will be shortages and are stocking up.

---------- Post added at 00:48 ---------- Previous post was at 00:43 ----------



Unfortunately, this might be your last football match for a while. The Government has called a meeting with broadcasters & sports organisations on Monday to discuss the possibility of staging events behind closed doors and banning mass gatherings.
https://www.inquisitr.com/5925573/au...hortage-china/

Anyway Cornavirus is a respiratory virus and toilet paper really shouldn't be an issue as loose bowels are not a symptom of said virus.

Chris 07-03-2020 09:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
Nope. But at the population scale, loose thinking is a symptom of any situation like this.

Damien 07-03-2020 09:47
Re: Coronavirus
 
You also still need it irrespective of being ill or not and if everyone else is panic buying it you would want to make sure you don't run out either.

Maggy 07-03-2020 10:36
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36026545)
You also still need it irrespective of being ill or not and if everyone else is panic buying it you would want to make sure you don't run out either.
Plenty of newspapers available..

papa smurf 07-03-2020 10:51
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36026547)
Plenty of newspapers available..
That's all we had when i was a boy,just think of it as recycling;)

RichardCoulter 07-03-2020 12:43
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36026535)
Has the Government (or football authorities) mentioned anything about how loss of earnings will affect the clubs involved?
Not as far as i'm aware, but I doubt that the Government will compensste them as they will say that it's in the public interest.

I've seen an unverified report that Sky are to suggest banning anyone over the age of 70 from Premier League matches for the foreseeable future. Whether this is true of not, I think that Sky would prefer not to have to televise matches in empty stadia.

Maybe as a gesture to help the situation, Sky could make the affected matches available Free To Air, but there again pigs might fly :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36026536)
You'd better tell the CPI about that.
Well, that's what it said on the news. I googled it and found this, so i'm not sure who to believe:

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/hea...ng-b881477807z

There are also reports that in China there have been incidents of armed robberies to steal toilet paper!!!

papa smurf 07-03-2020 12:46
Re: Coronavirus
 
Coronavirus panic as women filmed brawling over last toilet roll in supermarket



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/111188...ght-australia/

Maggy 07-03-2020 13:02
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36026548)
That's all we had when i was a boy,just think of it as recycling;)
Yes I know..I am 67.

denphone 07-03-2020 14:49
Re: Coronavirus
 
The latest number just released by the UK government is that the number of cases in the UK is now is 206, an increase of 43.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...anada-51781573

papa smurf 07-03-2020 15:03
Re: Coronavirus
 
Coronavirus disaster: Hotel used as quarantine collapses - 70 trapped as rescue underway




https://www.express.co.uk/news/world...virus-outbreak

RichardCoulter 07-03-2020 18:05
Re: Coronavirus
 
BBC News now reporting that us escaping the epidemic are 'slim to nil'.

BT & Sky believe that they may be asked to show games for free if people are banned from attending matches.

Pierre 07-03-2020 19:38
Re: Coronavirus
 
1. Was never going to happen anyway

2. Who cares

Julian 07-03-2020 20:29
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36026572)
BBC News now reporting that us escaping the epidemic are 'slim to nil'.

BT & Sky believe that they may be asked to show games for free if people are banned from attending matches.
What is the firkin obsession with football fixtures????

Matches played in an OUTDOOR stadium

I have more chance of getting Coronavirus on this train

What about places where people gather in numbers indoors like supermarkets job centres, benefits offices and public transport???

RichardCoulter 07-03-2020 21:15
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36026580)
1. Was never going to happen anyway

2. Who cares
1) I agree.

2) Those that enjoy watching sport.

denphone 07-03-2020 21:27
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36026591)
1) I agree.

2) Those that enjoy watching sport.
Those that enjoy watching plenty of Premium Sport know that they have to pay extra for it.

RichardCoulter 07-03-2020 22:57
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36026593)
Those that enjoy watching plenty of Premium Sport know that they have to pay extra for it.
Well, hopefully those that like sport, but can't or won't pay for it, will get a freebie.

It's just been on the BBC news that the government has announced in the last few minutes that emergency laws are to be passed to help contain the outbreak of the Coronavirus.

denphone 08-03-2020 14:19
Re: Coronavirus
 
Coronavirus cases in UK up to 273 from 209.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...h-more-than-70


Quote:
Department of Health and Social Care
✔
@DHSCgovuk
UPDATE on coronavirus (#COVID19) testing in the UK:

As of 9am 8 March 2020, a total of 23,513 people have been tested:

23,240 negative.
273 positive.


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UK supermarket starts rationing as panic buying strips shelves bare.

https://londonlovesbusiness.com/uk-s...-shelves-bare/

Quote:
Supermarket chiefs across the UK are preparing for “empty shelves and riots” as coronavirus is “highly likely” to accelerate within days and weeks.

Maggy 08-03-2020 15:06
Re: Coronavirus
 
Oh dear. No Paracetamol or Ibrufin available in the Co-op or Tesco Express here..So anyone with a simple headache or back pain is stuffed for now.

SnoopZ 08-03-2020 15:09
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36026626)
Oh dear. No Paracetamol or Ibrufin available in the Co-op or Tesco Express here..So anyone with a simple headache or back pain is stuffed for now.
I tried buying water free hand gel in Tesco on Friday..... not a chance.

Maggy 08-03-2020 15:12
Re: Coronavirus
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36026627)
I tried buying water free hand gel in Tesco on Friday..... not a chance.
Where there any bars of soap?:erm:


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