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adzii_nufc

09-01-2020 22:34

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Authentic video circulating showing a SAM being launched at the plane.

Chris

09-01-2020 22:51

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 36022465)

Authentic video circulating showing a SAM being launched at the plane.

Linkage?

adzii_nufc

09-01-2020 23:03

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https://mobile.twitter.com/bellingca...52457972404226

Now there's reports Iran has bulldozed the wreckage into a pile. Edit: appears to also be true.

Annotated: https://twitter.com/bellingcat/statu...749828097?s=20

There's now many images circulating showing the debris of a tor missile. These will be impossible to verify but they're still a fair shout.

Second video aftermath: https://twitter.com/SBayatpour/statu...81406797029377 (Not authenticated yet)

Chris

10-01-2020 00:56

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More good work from Bellingcat I see.

It looks like mainstream media is picking it up now too.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9277576.html

(Not the BBC yet though, their rules on this sort of thing are very strict since David Kelly and the sexed-up dodgy dossier).

Pierre

10-01-2020 01:15

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I wonder if Corbyn will bang on about whether the shooting down of a passenger jet with 175 people on board is against international law.....................

Just a thought.

Damien

10-01-2020 10:13

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Well now what? Iran - it seems - have killed hundreds of people including British Citizens.

papa smurf

10-01-2020 11:33

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36022479)

Well now what? Iran - it seems - have killed hundreds of people including British Citizens.

What would members want to happen now if it were their loved ones killed by this stupidity ?

heero_yuy

10-01-2020 16:05

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Quote from The Sun:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

Iran’s ambassador to the UK today dismissed the use of bulldozers to clear the crash site as "absolutely absurd", Sky News reports.

But the images have been verified by UK investigative website Bellingcat, whose painstaking work linked downed MH17 to Russia back in 2014.

Bellingcat investigator Giancarlo Fiorella told Channel 4 News: “Those images (of the bulldozer) we were able to geolocate to the crash site.

“I found them to be really distressing because this is potentially the scene of a crime.

“If this was a shoot-down event, you don’t want to disturb the crash site before a thorough investigation can be conducted and I’m not sure one had been conducted.”

It follows Iranian claims the two black boxes – which contain data and cockpit communications from the plane and are meant to be indestructible – had been damaged.

Iranian aviation authorities claim parts of their memory had been lost.

So bulldoze the site to remove evidence and erase the recordings on the black boxes. As clumsy a coverup as there is likely to be. They're fooling no one.

papa smurf

10-01-2020 16:51

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36022498)

So bulldoze the site to remove evidence and erase the recordings on the black boxes. As clumsy a coverup as there is likely to be. They're fooling no one.

This changes things, what most are seeing as a terrible mistake is now looking like a deliberate act :(

Uncle Peter

10-01-2020 17:04

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There's always the possibility that the USAF are operating their new toys in Iranian airspace with impunity. Stealthy aircraft aren't completely invisible to search radar so if a missile was fired then it could have been at a "legitimate" target. This would inevitably end very badly if the air defence system didn't have the ability to actually track the target.

Imagine the loss of face if the Iranians had to admit that they cannot defend their own airspace against enemy reconnaissance assets.

Chris

10-01-2020 17:41

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36022505)

This changes things, what most are seeing as a terrible mistake is now looking like a deliberate act :(

I think it was a mistake. There’s no way they intended to bring down a civilian airliner. The cover up is inevitably what occurs in dictatorial (or in this case theocratic) regimes where the official legend is that the leadership cannot make mistakes.

TheDaddy

10-01-2020 18:25

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36022511)

Correct, America just gives out medals when such accidents occur :( How they thought they'd get away with saying it was a coincidence is beyond me though.

Pierre

10-01-2020 18:32

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It is a mistake of immeasurable incompetence.

And as someone that has watched every episode of every season of aircrash investigation and is a qualified armchair expert, bull dozing a crash site is a ultimate no no, and claiming the voice and data recorders are damaged screams “cover up”.

There have been planes flown full speed into mountains that have disintegrated into atoms and the black boxes have survived.

heero_yuy

10-01-2020 18:38

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I've seen black boxed roasted to hell such that even the PCBs are toast but the chips were recovered, read in a jig and still had valid data in them. The pictures of the recovered boxes show that they're hardly touched so the claim of data loss is not credible IMO.

More likely the Iranians are busy corrupting the stored data before they release them.

Pierre

10-01-2020 19:19

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Having watched all the posted videos, the wreckage appears to be spread out over a fairly wide area, and debris appeared to rain down, which would indicate an explosion in the air, rather than a crash due to engine failure or other reason.

djfunkdup

11-01-2020 05:12

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BREAKING >> Iran admits it 'unintentionally' shot down Ukrainian passenger jet

'' The Iranian military has admitted that it "unintentionally" shot down the Ukrainian passenger jet on Wednesday, due to human error, according to state media ''

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-admi...r-jet-11905884

heero_yuy

11-01-2020 08:51

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Their silly coverup story had been blasted out of the water so they had to come clean.

Chris

11-01-2020 11:39

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36022553)

Their silly coverup story had been blasted out of the water so they had to come clean.

Exactly this. Their tightly controlled revolutionary bubble hit the real world and popped. Wonder what happens next ... they’ll still be hoping to close this down ASAP. The admission is about damage limitation, not embracing liability.

Carth

11-01-2020 15:27

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I'm sure we will all have the opportunity to see the trial and subsequent punishments shown on all the worlds media outlets, for once I doubt things will be kept behind closed doors.

The people on trial though, may not be entirely the ones who screwed up.

Hugh	11-01-2020 15:53

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A guy I follow on Social Media (Stonekettle) posted this, and I totally agree with him (he had over 20 years service in the US Navy, specialising in Information Warfare and War Planning).

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This is what happens in war.

People die. Not just the soldiers, but the innocents too.

Especially the innocent.

I'm not excusing Iran, just the opposite. But this what happens when nations go to war, there's nothing glorious about it, war is brutal, inhuman, and immoral.

And this is the price. Right here.

Those who start these conflicts, over politics, ideology, religion, resources, whatever idiotic thing, the rich and powerful, THEY are rarely the ones who have to pay -- at least not until thousands of innocents are slaughtered first.

And that slaughter, that is the cost of war.

Death is the price, and the bill always comes due. War a damned dirty business and make no mistake about it.

Perhaps if Americans actually understood this, really understood it, instead of regarding war as some sort of sporting event, they'd be less eager to have one every few years.

Taf	11-01-2020 18:57

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Police and military break up protests in Tehran. Crowds shouting "Kill the liars".

I hope they mean their rulers and haven't been fed a story that it's outsiders.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...r-downed-plane

djfunkdup

12-01-2020 23:42

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36022575)

Did you even bother reading the link you posted ?

it says :Protesters in Tehran have chanted calls for the resignation of officials, after Iran admitted it accidentally shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane on 8 January.

Relatives and friends of those who died held a vigil near the Amirkabir University of Technology on Saturday.

Videos uploaded to social media show a crowd gathered, with some chanting for their country's leaders to resign and calling officials "liars".

1andrew1

12-01-2020 23:55

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Iran students refuse to walk over US and Israeli flags

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Many students at a university in Tehran have openly avoided walking over US and Israeli flags in an apparent show of defiance against the Iranian government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-...-israeli-flags

Mick	13-01-2020 17:07

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BREAKING: Iran State TV's anchor resigns saying, "It was very hard for me to believe the killing of my countrymen. I apologize for lying to you on TV for 13 years."
#IranProtests2020

papa smurf

14-01-2020 10:23

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Scapegoats have been arrested over downed plane.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-...crash/11867824

heero_yuy

14-01-2020 10:24

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Breaking:

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Quote from The Sun:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

THE Iranian authorities have arrested some of those involved in shooting down a packed passenger plane in Tehran, it's been reported.

This morning's news comes as the country's president vowed those linked to the "unforgivable error" will be punished.

Hassan Rouhani said: "Iranian armed forces admitting their mistake is a good first step.

"We should assure people that it will not happen again" however he admitted his government was "accountable to Iranian and other nations who lost lives".

Iran's judiciary spokesman then revealed some suspects have been arrested for their role in the tragedy - but he did not give any further details.

Full story and pictures on link above.

Chris

14-01-2020 12:25

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And here’s a link that doesn’t require you to read the s*n.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51104687

Chris

15-01-2020 09:10

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As if to prove nothing has really changed in Iran, they’re now trying to arrest the person who filmed the missile strike.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51114945

Maggy

15-01-2020 10:15

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36022727)

As if to prove nothing has really changed in Iran, they’re now trying to arrest the person who filmed the missile strike.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51114945

Whistle blowers get short shrift everywhere but more so in Iran. Iran is more like multiple personality disorder government every year.

heero_yuy

15-01-2020 10:27

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Quote from Chris:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

As if to prove nothing has really changed in Iran, they’re now trying to arrest the person who filmed the missile strike.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51114945

If in doubt shoot the messenger.

I wonder what will happen to the newscasters that resigned over having to lie for many years?

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Quote from International Business Times:

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...8&d=1562846859

Two news anchors at the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) resigned from their jobs amid the calling for the ouster of current government leaders, following the admission to "unintentionally" shooting down of a Ukrainian passenger plane.

Zara Khatami and Saba Rad thanked their followers for their unwavering support. “Thank you for your support in all years of my career. I announce that after 21 years working in radio and tv, I cannot continue my work in the media. I cannot,” Rad said, per The Guardian. “Thank you for accepting me as anchor until today. I will never get back to TV. Forgive me,” Khatami stated.

Gelare Jabbari, who quit her job some time ago, also apologized to her followers on social media. On Sunday, the former television presenter asked her supporters to forgive her for several years of promulgating falsehoods and fabricated stories on behalf of the Iranian government.

“It was very hard for me to believe that our people have been killed. Forgive me that I got to know this late. And forgive me for the 13 years I told you lies,” Jabbari wrote on Instagram. However, the media personality’s profile was deactivated just a few hours after the posting. The Iranian government has yet to comment on Jabbari’s claims.

If I were them I'd be getting out pronto.

Hugh	15-01-2020 11:08

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1ZC2I3

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U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Monday said Qassem Soleimani was killed as part of a broader strategy of deterring challenges by U.S. foes that also applies to China and Russia, further diluting the assertion that the top Iranian general was struck because he was plotting imminent attacks on U.S. targets.

In his speech at Stanford University’s Hoover Institute, Pompeo made no mention of the threat of imminent attacks planned by Soleimani. It only was in response to a question that he repeated his earlier assertion that pre-empting such plots was the reason for the Jan. 3 American drone strike on Iran’s second most powerful official.

His speech, “The Restoration of Deterrence: The Iranian Example,” focused on what he called an administration strategy to establish “real deterrence” against Iran following earlier Republican and Democratic policies that encouraged Tehran’s “malign activity.”

Democratic and some Republican lawmakers have challenged the administration over the self-defense rationale supported by undisclosed intelligence over imminent attacks. U.S. President Donald Trump has said the potential targets included four U.S. embassies.

On Sunday, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said he had seen no intelligence forewarning of imminent attacks on embassies.

Trump on Monday added new fuel to the controversy by saying “it really doesn’t matter” whether Soleimani posed an imminent threat.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36021892)

And an Iranian General being in Iraq uninvited isn't an act of war?

Not when he’s invited by the Iraqi Prime Minister, no...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9272901.html

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Iraq’s prime minister revealed that he was due to be meeting the Iranian commander to discuss moves being made to ease the confrontation between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi Arabia – the crux of so much of strife in the Middle East and beyond.

Adil Abdul-Mahdi was quite clear: “I was supposed to meet him in the morning the day he was killed, he came to deliver a message from Iran in response to the message we had delivered from the Saudis to Iran.”

nomadking

15-01-2020 13:06

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022742)

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-i...-idUSKBN1ZC2I3

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Not when he’s invited by the Iraqi Prime Minister, no...

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a9272901.html

Apart from anything else, that article is from 3 days after my post, therefore my post was perfectly valid at the time.

Hugh	15-01-2020 13:17

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36022753)

Apart from anything else, that article is from 3 days after my post, therefore my post was perfectly valid at the time.

If by "valid" you mean "not based on any actual evidence or facts, but just your opinion", yes, it's true, it was valid*... ;)

*valid - having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent

nomadking

15-01-2020 13:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022754)

If by "valid" you mean "not based on any actual evidence or facts", yes, it's true, it was valid... ;)

It was true and valid with the known facts at the time.

pip08456

15-01-2020 13:34

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022754)

Does that mean opinions are no longer allowed?

Carth

15-01-2020 14:38

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36022758)

Does that mean opinions are no longer allowed?

They're allowed if you keep them to yourself, the world has moved on significantly and the nanny state has decreed that you can't say, write or do anything that may be even slightly construed as to be causing mischief or offence ;)

. . . on the other hand, say what you see and sod em :D

Hugh	15-01-2020 16:57

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36022758)

Does that mean opinions are no longer allowed?

No, it doesn’t.

However, if something is stated and more information shows that the statement is not factual, that "opinion" can be shown to be incorrect.

Hope that helps...

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36022757)

It was true and valid with the known facts at the time.

What "known facts", please?

I couldn’t find anything on that date that stated he was in Iraq uninvited.

pip08456

15-01-2020 18:38

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36022769)

[/COLOR]What "known facts", please?

I couldn’t find anything on that date that stated he was in Iraq uninvited.

Could you find anything that he was?

Uncle Peter

15-01-2020 21:47

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Yesterday the Iranians sent a charter freight aircraft from Tehran through Iraqi airspace to an airbase known as T4 just over the border in Syria close to the border area where IRGC and their militia franchise are making a nuisance of themselves and their smuggling hub for weapons to hezbollah.

https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/st...95755225714689

Shortly after the IAF gave the place a bit of a pasting. Unlucky lads.

https://www.france24.com/en/20200114...r-base-in-homs

pip08456

17-01-2020 10:05

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Sounds about right.

adzii_nufc

26-01-2020 22:28

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Unconfirmed reports 3 missiles or rockets just struck the US embassy in Baghdad.

pip08456

26-01-2020 22:57

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 36023690)

Unconfirmed reports 3 missiles or rockets just struck the US embassy in Baghdad.

https://www.kurdistan24.net/en/news/...a-a93be30339d9

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