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People like Corbyn and McDonnell, along with their supporters and polices haven't just sprung up in the past couple of years. They've been around for decades. Labour have had plenty of time to deal with them.
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I am proud of the British people who rejected every aspect of Corbynism, and those who voted Labour should re-evaluate themselves on the antisemitism basis at the very least and then remember Corbyn’s support for terrorist organisations around the world. Corbyn May be finished but his sentiments remain among those who voted Labour. |
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Must be nice to have a viewpoint that has no shades of grey, and everything in the world can have broad brushstrokes applied to it, and nuance doesn’t exist.
"All those who disagree with me are completely wrong, and it’s OK to apply actions of a minority of a group to all members of that group, and castigate and denigrate all members of that group" seems to be a very simplistic approach to a very complex issue. Can you imagine the outrage if others applied that viewpoint to all members of the Conservative party, saying they held the same viewpoints as some of the virulent supporters of Boris, such as Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson, or the Conservative candidate for Leeds North East who was de-selected for his Antisemitic views? |
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Fortunately, the electorate have more common sense than to vote in favour of such an agenda. In fact, over the years, the electorate seem to have made pretty good judgements about which government was likely to serve the country better, and this is but the latest example. The hard left will never find favour with the British people. It's not what we are. |
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John McDonnell admits he won't be part of new Labour leadership team 'We will all go'
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...ection-results JOHN MCDONNELL has revealed a completely new team will be appointed for the next Labour's shadow cabinet following the staggering defeat of Jeremy Corbyn's party at the general election. |
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Absolutely delicious ... Boris begins his victory lap in Sedgefield, Labour ex-stronghold and former constituency of one Anthony Charles Lynton Blair :D
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50790445 |
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An interesting opinion piece on Labour's collapse HERE
The journalist makes some apparently valid points. |
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Where it all went wrong for Melanie Onn - and the guy from Cuba who became a symbol for how Corbyn and co just did not get Grimsby
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...n-cuba-3642843 |
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I saw this: https://twitter.com/JakeLex1989/stat...39960739696641
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Search for a Red Star ? I'm not repressed yet, get me out of here? |
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Melanie Onn blanked by Jeremy Corbyn as he walks past her without a word following catastrophic Labour election
https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/n...corbyn-3659414 It's not just Boris that jezza is blanking. |
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Gues what I got as a Christmas present (nicely framed):
https://bobcartoons.newsprints.co.uk...0corbyn%20ciga Beautiful. ---------- Post added at 20:36 ---------- Previous post was at 20:34 ---------- ... and this is one I bought last year. Brilliant. https://bobcartoons.newsprints.co.uk...may%20wait%20i |
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Well, I've got news for you. He's got a chap for that. :D |
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The man is entitled to a holiday - best taken when parliament isn't doing much and much of the rest of the world has also slowed down. And what would he add? If he did attend some would say that he is just publicity seeking in areas he doesn't normally show up in.
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Mr K is just indulging in irrational sour grapes. The General Election has put Mr K in his proper place.
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I'm just grateful that we have a Conservative government that can actually govern.
All Boris needs to do is lead on and deliver his promises. |
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There will be no parliamentary paralysis or obstructive opposition parties to blame if it goes horribly wrong as the buck stops with them and them only. |
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Fair point, Den.
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It will all have been even better with a different result. Always the way.
An asteroid could hit London and it will be those in charges' fault, it could miss and still their fault because it could have. This is not to say that there isn't consequence to action but some can't win - damned if you do, damned if you don't. |
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27 versus 1, work it out. Who is in the the stronger negotiating position? The UK is going to have a very bad hangover from this. . |
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But if they won't give us what we want, it's their fault, surely?
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The bigger problem is those that keep convincing the EU that we will roll over and agree to whatever they say.
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https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-largest-economies-eu/ https://facts4eu.org/news/2019_apr_eu28_to_eu10 A trade deal, an equitable trade deal, is both parties interest, and the U.K. is no minion in this. |
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They will simply overturn the amendments when the bill returns to the Commons, and thereafter convention requires the Lords to leave it alone because it is a matter of government policy that is subject to a manifesto commitment. |
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Interesting article by Dan Hodges on why some ministers are asking if Boris has any idea on what he's going to do apart from Brexit.
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No doubt Huawei is a delicate issue - all I’d say as someone who works in telecoms is that I wouldn’t use them, or limit their use to passive components. HS2 will definitely go ahead from London to Birmingham. It’s the onward sections that are an issue. Given that many Northerners lent their vote to the Tory’s he can’t be seen to ditch them, so some skilful politicking is required. The criticism over Iran is baseless. |
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He also supported BJ in his campaign to be Mayor of London. |
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So who does have the definitive answers on those matter, and what are they? Gets tedious people saying X doesn't have an answer for Y, when they don't either, other than giving in to their demands.
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I used to very much enjoy reading him back in the halcyon days of the Telegraph Blogs. He was challenging of the assumptions of the centre right that are often lazily and uncritically accepted on papers like the telegraph or the mail, while also being a very accessible voice of the left, which all too often is unbearably self righteous and shrill. |
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Hodges has been extremely critical of Labour since 2010 though, as Chris says he is clearly on the 'right' of the Labour Party. So I think he has earned the right to be listened too by the right as he isn't a propagandist for the left.
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People are deluded if they think it's cancellation will lead to investment in the existing railway infrastructure in the North instead. The same thing will happen again. There will be years, far beyond this Government's parliamentary term, of public consultation and government case studies before anything is proposed. Then, between 2025 and 2030, when a proposal is put forward it'll be beset by court cases and disagreement with politicians of every stripe opposing it in favour of something else before a final plan is somehow agreed in 2035 and we're all back here in 2040 wondering if it's about to be cancelled. :rolleyes: This country is absolutely pathetic when it comes to infrastructure projects. It's a wonder we have a Eurostar or M25. How we built the London Underground will become a mystery to future generations of Brits in the same way the Pyramids are now. It may not be the most optimal use of money but HS2 is a unicorn in that it's a project that is actually being built and has passed all the bureaucracy and nonsense that we throw at any attempt to do anything. A case in point is a new bridge at the Dartford Crossing on the M25. The tunnel itself, running from South to North, is already a nightmare. For over 10 years they've been having public discussions on how/when/where to build another bridge (to match the one going Clockwise) to help this pressure but as of yet nothing has been decided and ALREADY the demand exceeds the capacity. By the time they start building half of the M25 will be paralysed. |
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We adhere to all the environmental bollocks. For a project like this you will have Natural England, the JNCC and several other NGOs throwing as many hurdles in front of it as possible. Endless environmental impact assessments, mitigations, NIMBYs, consultations etc yadda yadda yadda. You may think it right or wrong, but I guarantee you China just build it. I doubt the French are even as anal. Environmental impact? Of course there will be but it’s a 50m strip at most, and although during construction it will be more, that is temporary and will recover. I think there needs to be some legislation to help support major national infrastructure projects. |
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The cost of HS2 is obscene and will only benefit a few. All to save a few minutes on a train ride. Social care would be a much better beneficiary of that money for our ageing population. |
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https://fullfact.org/economy/has-92-...ot-been-built/ A train line is not going destroy the greenery of the nation. China can build 2,300 km of high speed rail per year. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/pr...ther-countries Because they are an Autocratic regime, if they want it done, it gets done. It’s for the prosperity of the country and they do it. We, thank god, are not an autocratic regime, but I do think for projects of national importance we should be able to do what’s required instead of trying to appease everyone. |
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Also HS2 isn't the end of it. Once completed we could build connections to those hubs, either high speed or normal speed, to further connect the country. Also people downplay the speed but it is important. Even 30 mins from Birmingham means a day trip to London takes an hour less. From Manchester it's a two hours less. If it goes up to Scotland then the benefits are greater still. It makes trips around the U.K in a day a lot more feasible.
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We need to move stuff out of London. State owned or controlled concerns like government departments and the BBC can simply be ordered to do so. Private businesses need incentives. With Birmingham and Manchester reliably less than a day trip away, businesses can have the confidence that moving operations out of the capital doesn’t disconnect them from it. Getting the Edinburgh/Glasgow-London journey time comfortably below 4 hours from centre to centre, with no security checks, queueing and checking in, makes the journey, even on mostly non-high speed track, competitive with flying, especially as you can get productive work done on the train. ---------- Post added at 22:39 ---------- Previous post was at 22:09 ---------- I don’t think we need a general purpose political thread now the election is done with. Feel free to start a new thread to discuss any specific issues. |
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