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https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/le...-four-17385357 The LGI Chief Medical Officer apologised for the fact there was no bed in the treatment room, only chairs - they don’t have trolleys in treatment rooms.

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Has his mother apologised for putting him on the floor and politicising him.

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Yes, the Tories are all baby eating monsters, but the shadow health secretary still doesn’t think Labour can win the election ... which, incidentally, is what’s leading the news bulletins today.

It’s almost as if the country, and even the Labour Party, understands that everything is a little more nuanced than using a sick child for a political stunt.

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Those of you who have voted conservative? Are you not embarrassed of your leader?


I also think it is time Jeremy Cobyne stepped down. They need a new leader.

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He's not my leader ... and I haven't voted for him. ;)

I've voted for a local businessman who supports centre-right politics and so obviously will support a Conservative government, or oppose a Labour one.

We don't have a presidential system, which means we can't do anything directly about the leaders of the parties whose policies or outlook we support, but on the other hand it does also mean whoever the leader, and PM, turns out to be, they don't get a free hand to do whatever they like, and scandal or loss of confidence can bring them down within a parliamentary term, far more easily than is the case in the USA for example.

I don't like Boris much, but I don't think he's a national security risk, unlike the leader of the opposition - a fear shared by at least one member of shadow cabinet.

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Looks like the lies and stunts being pulled by Labour are making very little difference to the Conservative lead in the polls.

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I will vote tory because under them i know my pensions my savings my home and my future will be in safe hands, my children and grandchildren will be safe, corbyn just wants to asset strip everyone to fund his dreams of a communist state and ally himself with the worlds terrorist organisations,he also has a bad rep with jews and i think the world saw enough of that last century.

I think people should work hard to achieve the better things in life, corbyn wants to just give everyone what they desire that's great until he runs out of other people's money to spend then it's bust all over again.

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Not one vote has been cast yet OB, and the polls are always a couple of days behind events. I'm not convinced these polls reach everybody anyway. How they account for ex directory, non survey responders like my goodself ;) Or the 3 million recent registrations?

As for lies there's only one party peddling those, hence the punch that wasn't yesterday. Just as well there was a camera there eh? Or the the :Fact Check: Twitter site ? Or the lie about 50000 nurses, a lot of whom are already working in the NHS, or the lie about 40 new hospitals most of which already exist....

One things for sure, if the country elects the Tories, they deserve everything they get.

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As I believe this country deserves better than the Michael Foot tribute act currently in charge of the Labour party, I totally agree.

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Has anyone had campaigners at the door at all? I live in a pretty safe Conservative seat but haven't had anyone come round at all. I have met people in the local High Street including our Conservative and Independent candidates which was interesting but nothing from the Lib Dems, Labour or Green parties.

I have had lots of leaflets from everyone except the Greens which I guess makes sense!

The Conservative candidate intervened when one of his campaigners said I looked like someone 'just wants to get Brexit done' to which I replied I would rather it didn't happen at all but if it has to be done, I would rather it was done well than quickly. He said 'oh, you're one of those are you?' which isn't really the way to win hearts and minds!

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We're too rural for door knocking to be effective. They'd spend most of their time driving from house to house and only speak to a handful of people all day. We do always see Tory activists hand-delivering leaflets though. We get stuff through the post from all the candidates but only the Tories hand-deliver around here.

This constituency is on a knife edge, Tory took it from SNP with a majority of around 150 in 2017. At present, on current polling, it is the only Tory seat forecast to go back to the SNP this week.

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I' haven't had anyone# from any party knocking at the door . .

As for leaflets and political blurb in the post . . sheeesh I really miss that open fire :D



# :scratch: it's quite possible they remember what happened the last time :Yes:

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No one ever knocks on my door, they post flyers and then run away.

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I'm in a fairy safe Tory constituency, with the the LDs the only possible challengers. I've had no one canvass for years but amazingly I had a Labour person knock on the door the other night. After agreeing on most things, it was more me convincing them that they should vote tactically and not waste their vote which would help the Tory! Felt a bit sorry for them, they did look very cold as well as perplexed about who was canvassing who .... Rotten time of year for the job.

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of course the Tories never ever tell lies right what about the fake punch story OB tory stunt but that's all fine right

both parties not fit to run a bath never mind the country

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Being pedantic, they have. ;) A work colleague is constantly telling everyone that she has already voted...by post.

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Nailed it!

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Bless whataboutery:rolleyes:

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Anyway, what about it? ;) As well as the punch lie, there are the lies about the number of new hospitals/nurses. Whataboutery is very relevant.

Anyone seen this bloke by the way?
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/12/3.jpg
Seems to have disappeared. Suspect he'll reappear on Friday to have another kip....

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Yes, JR-M's notable absence has been a feature of the election. As have the Conservatives' misleading social media adverts.

Commendably, no misleading claims were found in Labour's but for the Conservatives "88% (5,952) of the party's most widely promoted ads either featured claims which had been flagged by independent fact-checking organisations (including BBC Reality Check) as not correct or not entirely correct."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50726500

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Yep, I've voted too. None of that trudging to the polling station in the snow for me.

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You're spoiling all the fun ;)

Boris seems to be hiding in a fridge today, to avoid anyone remembering which clown they are electing ! :D
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9241661.html

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Yes thank goodness Labour didn't suceed by turning their Twitter account into a fake fact checking site, didn't suceed by making fake videos and then going on telly to defend that video, didn't claim someone had been punched and arrests made when neither had happened, didn't unleash an army of bots and fanatics on the mother of a sick child, didn't try and make political capital out of a dead son during a terrorist attack and didn't run of with a reporters mobile phone rather than look at a photo, thank the heavens labour didn't get away with any of that and I'd personally like bozo to get hos cummupance because for the first time since John Smith was alive I'm seriously contemplating voting Labour purely because we cannot keep allowing political campaigns to go lower into the gutter each time and they will aa long as the parry doing the worst of it keep winning

Is it really a surprise Mugg has been kept out of sight considering on day one of campaigning he said the victims of Grenfel Tower didn't have enough common sense to save themselves, in days gone by that would've been enough to grant the public a lot longer rest from you than just a campaigning season but today politicians can say what ever they like without consequence, the PM can even appear on a live tv debate qnd have his honesty and integrity questioned and it gets a laugh, sums up our political system at the moment, a joke.

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Jezza gets a great endorsement from 15 ex labour MP's

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/105261...jeremy-corbyn/



“Everyone wants a safer, fairer society. But in this election the Labour Party is set to deliver the opposite.

“We were all lifelong Labour voters and all former Labour MPs. We are voting for different parties at this election, but we have all come to the difficult decision not to vote Labour.”

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On the contrary, I'm having lots of fun telling canvassers they are too late :)

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shhhhhhhhhhhhhh better not tell OB that Andrew


General election news – live: Boris Johnson escapes into fridge to avoid interview, as major poll showing ‘fast and late’ Labour surge leaves Tories alarmed

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9241661.html

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I spotted this gentleman on the Tube wearing Vote Labour gear.

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Well, someone has to I suppose.

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I can't wait for this election to be over. I hate people talking about it, I hate both the parties that could form a government, I hate people debasing themselves to become sycophants of politicians who'll screw over just as much as the next one and I hate that everyone seems to have jumped down the conspiracy rabbit hole.

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I want Boris to win with a majority so we can get the Withdrawal Agreement through, hopefully a trade agreement with the term of the Government, and stop a Scottish Indy Ref.

And also hopefully get onto other issues such as policing and the NHS.

Then in 2024, we can have an election on the performance of this government, and if Labour ( or anyone else ) won then I wouldn’t complain...............well maybe a little bit.

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This is what social media does for you. Forces everyone into tribes where opinions are echoed, reinforced and presented as self-evident via trite memes.

I don’t much like any of the party leaders ... my view of Jo Swinson is almost ambivalent but dragged down by her defence of the indefensible, namely her party’s lunatic policy of calling off Brexit without even a fresh referendum. Nonetheless if I lived only a short distance from where I do, she’d be my constituency MP and I’d vote for her to ensure a plurality of views is heard in Parliament, but mostly to keep the Nats out.

Keeping the Nat out is one of the reasons for my choice of candidate tomorrow. But mostly, I voted Leave, I believe our country’s best future is outside the restrictions of the EU and I’m voting for the only party with a credible proposition for bringing that about.

I’m not voting for Boris, I’m voting for a local businessman who is aligned with the Conservative party and who will vote for the sorts of measures I want to see implemented.

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By 2024 Labour will have ditched Corbyn, the mad socialist Marxism and made themselves electable?

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My sentiments exactly. I am not a natural Conservative voter but as the only party likely to honour the referendum result I only have one choice.

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After Callaghan’s defeat in 1979 Labour lurched hard to the Left and installed Michael Foot, whose defeat led to Neil Kinnock, who then began the process of eliminating the red weed from the party. He hadn’t changed things enough for the electorate’s liking by 1992 (also the Tories had salvaged their chances by defenestrating Thatcher) so John Smith got the gig. Had he not died in post he might have won in 1997, but I’d say that’s not a given, and it’s by no means certain he’d have achieved the landslide Blair did by making himself look like the heir to Thatcher.

If Labour lose tomorrow night (and I think they will), Corbyn will go but he will only be replaced by someone Momentum thinks it can trust ... that could be a closet reformer ... a Kinnock figure, if you like ... but then it will take whoever that is a long time to deradicalise the party again. On the other hand John McDonnell might get the job, and Labour will remain on the hard left for another decade.

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So you are quite happy to vote for a terrorist sympathiser and Marxist Communist who likes to give the impression that he's had to sit on the floor of a train due to capitalist over-crowding (when there are plenty of seats available); who likes to dig up 'dossiers' to prove his conspiracy theories when there are none (like his alleged sale of the NHS, which he has weaponised nicely); who claims that austerity was an ideological choice and we should have borrowed our way out of bankruptcy (despite the obvious fact that anyone with a grain of intelligence knows is potty, and with every intention of getting us where we would have been had he been in charge in double quick time with his wishlist of unachievable policies); etc, etc, etc.

Well good luck with that reasoning. Fortunately, even life-long Labour supporters have seen through his nonsense and will not be voting for their party while he is Leader. Sad to see that you have lost your way in all this fog.

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That is my hope, but I fear that with Momentum's help, we might get someone even worse.

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If the nhs is so safe why does it say in those dossiers not to refer to it by name? There's nothing wrong with borrowing if it's spent on infrastructure that generates money, especially when you can borrow it at such historically low rates of interest. So yes if voting labour means an end to the politics we have witnessed over the last ten years or so then yes I'll consider breaking the habit of a lifetime and vote for them.

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Social media has certainly made it worse. It's creates a really warped sense of reality that anything that runs counter to it cannot be comprehended.

It's just the volume of it is turned up to the max right. I cannot stand another earnest plea from Facebook or Twitter posts about the important of voting, or voting Labour, or voting Tory, or voting Lib Dem or Brexit. Everyone tweeting to other other about how righteous they are.

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Ah well, at least the good news is that whatever the result is tomorrow, we'll all accept it in good grace, and move on with our lives...

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I haven't seen the documents, but I did witness reporters questioning the claims Corbyn was making. They said that in all the 400+ pages it only mentioned the NHS four times and that there was no mention of privatisation. But Corbyn doesn't care. He knows that if you throw enough mud around, some of it will stick. You seem to have proved that in your conversion.

Why you have only just discovered that people lie, I cannot fathom. Where have you been locked away from the real world all these years? And how does voting for Corbyn solve anything? Of course, if chaos, anarchy and the destruction of our way of life is what you want to see, you are going the right way about it.

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Indeed, with lashings of sarcasm.

If, and it is a big if, Johnson returns with a Tory majority. It will be interesting to see how that democratic result is received, considering how democracy has been ignored for near 3 years.

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Corbyn, Sturgeon (and her followers), Swinson and Lucas will still be droning on, I'm afraid. The good thing will be that they won't be able to continue to paralyse Parliament if Boris gets his majority.

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The outrage will be turned up to 11 in Scotland, I can tell you that much. I really, really hope the Tories hold on to their 13 seats, that will at least take a slight edge off the nationalist fulminating. All the better if they can steal a couple more ... Pete Wishart (Nat) is sitting on a knife-edge majority in Perth, so who knows. Mind you Stephen Kerr (Tory) is on an equally small majority in Stirling. Too much is too close to call.

I'm really looking forward to the Welsh results, Plaid, hapless Welsh Labour and Corbyn between them have almost managed to produce a Tory majority in national polling there. If any of the former heavy industrial constituencies in the north east of Wales go blue I will absolutely gut myself laughing.

When it comes to it though, in Parliament, as long as Boris has a working majority large enough that it can't be overturned by a core of rebels, things should settle down fairly quickly. Labour will be in absolute disarray; most of its backbenchers are still moderates and their patience with Corbyn has already run out, so they will be too busy plotting his downfall to cause much trouble elsewhere.

If, however, Boris gets a single-figures majority, so those predisposed to mischief think they hold the whip hand in Commons votes, Brexit will still be a bumpy ride, regardless of what commitments Boris thinks he's extracted from all his candidates.

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So the 2017 General Election didn’t return a democratic result?

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It won't go down well with people who don't like him but there isn't going to be a coup or anything. Democracy will be fine. People protesting, arguing and so on is part of Democracy. I doubt in the unlikely event Corbyn is Prime Minister on Friday that he won't also face substantial opposition.

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Was more referring to the referendum, but you knew that.

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But you ignored the 2017 election results - but you knew that...

CF’ers may find this of interest.

https://public.tableau.com/profile/c...433110/Timings

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Just been and voted,had to fight my way past all the young voters:rolleyes:

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Give them a chance, they still need to crawl out of bed and stagger down to their local artisan coffee house for a vegan soya latte and mashed avocado. Once they’re properly awake they’ll share a few snarky memes via the social media channel of the moment, then decide that ought to be accepted as their act of political engagement, and head to the student union bar. Three shots for a fiver tonight, election night special.

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Many people keep saying this, but the simple fact is democracy hasn't been ignored. This is the way that a democracy works.

today, people get to have a say again :)

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We got out and voted around 7:30 this morning before the OH went off to work. Fairly busy at the polling station.

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Talk about sweeping generalisations !!!

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That is brilliant! Good data presentation/visualisation is a real art (off topic but check out https://informationisbeautiful.net/ )

So, I voted at about ten past 7 this morning and the people in the polling station noted how many voters had turned up already. It was more than they were used to so maybe turnout will be good.

My constituency is a little odd as we have a new candidate for the Conservatives in a safe seat due to David Gauke being thrown out. Gauke is in with a shout as an independent though being firmly in second place in the polling

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Ok ...

Satire relies for its effect on the caricaturing of certain people or situations, in order to draw attention to, and to critique, certain patterns of behaviour or beliefs. In its deliberate exaggeration it is prone to making sweeping generalisations, though those engaging with the satire are generally expected to understand it is not offered, nor to be taken, literally.

Have I talked enough? ;)

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You should know better, it's 4 shots for a fiver;)

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Did you consider that's the reason why the nhs was only mentioned 4 times, other nuggets in there include advice on the pr campaign to prepare the public for clorinated chicken

Why are you prepared to accept people lying to you, I can't fathom why you're happy to be mugged of every few years without a murmur, what's deficient in your psyche and personality to not only accept it but advocate for these people. The journey here has taken a few years either it's taken decades of not holding the shysters to account to get this far down the sewer, how much further do you want to ascend, when is enough enough for you?

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I went at lunchtime, I was the only one there but when I put my slip in the box was pretty full, saw a blast from the past on the ballot paper to

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Well I have had electoral communications from the Scottish Tories four times in the last week, one of them hand delivered. The other parties, including the SNP who must fancy their chances here as the sitting Tory’s majority is so small, have only sent out one mailing. At the polling station, Labour didn’t even bother to show up with a standard a-frame advert to prop up outside, which, I have a sneaking suspicion, means they might actually be keeping out of the way to let the SNP take the seat back off the Tories.

Shocking, if so, as they are still supposed to be a unionist party and every election in Scotland at the moment is about the union v independence in one way or another.

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Edit ... on reflection I think I might actually have had 5 leaflets from the Tories this week :Yikes:

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Perhaps it was just your neighbours putting the leaflets they had received, through your letterbox... :D

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Pound is shooting up apparently. Could be traders have their own exit polling, could be nonsense.

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Traders follow traders, and at critical times like this they are all liable to jump on any flicker and follow suit. The EU referendum did similar, remember, until the result became clear and it dropped like a stone.

We would know if someone else was conducting an exit poll anyway, they are highly visible, complex and expensive to do. The whole polling industry would know it was going on.

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Yeah, I remember well on the day that around 3pm the pound surged.

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Anyway I’m thoroughly bored of the election now. I’d quite like some results.

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What's the thoughts on Laura's comments earlier?

Are we potentially entering Gina Miller's territory if Boris wins?

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What comments?

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If he means Laura Kuenssberg she is at the centre of another Twitter/Reddit scandal where she stated that she was told postal votes where looking bad for Labour. Le Internet lawyers decided she had broken the law and went into full outrage mode.

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Missed this, don't diss artisan coffee houses :shocked:

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I'm exactly the same. So much so I don't really care who wins as long as we can get on with actually running the country with a majority government.

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Yes them ones :)

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Again, rumours, but Uxbridge is meant to be very tight. We do know that activists have been moving their during the day.

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:D

Pretty sure the postal vote rumour, shock horror, argh you is illegalz I’m callin Gina thing came up last time as well ...

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If Boris loses it, they will reward someone very handsomely to retire and trigger a by election for Boris to contest. Constitutionally, Boris can be PM without being in the Commons, though it would be politically very difficult to sustain for any length of time. And the way things have been lately, no doubt some public spirited, entirely neutral and very wealthy individual might ask the Supreme Court for its opinion.

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Every election there are rumours about the Exit Polls. Last time it was meant to be a blood bath for Labour too.

The thing is you could come to the conclusion that postal votes are bad simply by seeing the volume of them and knowing that older voters tend to disproportionately vote via post.

I also don't think it's illegal to report rumours you've heard. She wasn't revealing anyone's postal votes.

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Andrew Marr teasing people too: https://twitter.com/AndrewMarr9/stat...20476110458880

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be great if Johnson loses his seat pity Corbyn cant too

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The other 'stronger' rumours (i.e they're tweeted by actual political hacks rather than random accounts) is Labour's vote strong in London but collapsing everywhere else.

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Labour has, belatedly, picked a side on Brexit. Unfortunately for them it’s the wrong side. I think they’re about to find out that just enough of their support in the rest of England and Wales was prepared to vote Tory to get Brexit done - similar, though not on the same scale, as Thatcher’s victory in 1979, once the country, including sufficient natural Labour supporters, was sufficiently sick of the instability of the previous 3 years.

Polls suggest they’re dead as a dodo in Scotland, which unfortunately is most likely to disproportionately benefit the SNP given how marginal so many seats are. Even if the Tories increase their vote by a few hundred in the seats they hold, in most of them the SNP only has to increase its vote by a few hundred and one to win. And I think those disaffected Scottish Labour voters who haven’t voted Tory yet, aren’t very likely to do so now.

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The exit poll is open! https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...php?t=33708500