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Same here, now 10mb upload on M100

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Another has upload increase LS13 now 10Mb.

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Yeap, rebooted this evening to check, and now getting 10 up on Vivid 100.

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10Mb/s upload on 100Mb/s package in Leeds North West as well.

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And down here as well.

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What's the upload speed of M150 meant to be? I think I rrad somewhere once it was 10Mb/s too.

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I think it was 6 when i had it but not sure now, possibly 10 though.

Just look at your config to see what it is.

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It's listed under legacy products at www.virginmedia.com/ourspeeds

Upload speed is 10Mb

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Thanks Snoopz and BenMcr. :)

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My 50mb package has been increased to 5mb upload. Needed to reboot the hub to get it.
Looks like all upload increases have been completed now:
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...mbps-tier.html

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Nice to see those that pay the most get nothing.

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It's a new tier so obviously there won't be an increase this time.

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That make no logical sense though does it, when you think about it. It's new so you're not getting what others are. Thought the goal was to move 10:1 ratio.

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It's less likely to have anything to do with it being a new tier and everything to do with it being a high tier that pushes the limits of the technology. I'm sure you'll get your 50mbit upload at some point, but it almost certainly needs capacity.

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Yeah, i dont think we'll see it until 3.1 is rolled out and users are migrated.

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From what I understand, 3.1 won't really help upload speeds much until a "symmetrical" upgrade is done and that's not happening any time soon. This is why it's expected that a 1Gbps package will probably only have 50mbit upload speeds.

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that is not the answer we wanted to hear :bsmack:

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So it turns out I'm only half right. 3.1 will help upload speeds a bit, but at best it's still likely to be a 10:1 ratio and I am sure I've read somewhere that 1000/50 is likely to be the launch.

DOCSIS3.1 Full Duplex is what would bring fully symmetrical downloads, but its now known as DOCSIS 4.

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I'll be happy with 10:1. I cant see us getting symmetrical speeds at least for another decade, it requires too much of a mind set and culture change for the isps.

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When 3.1 rolls out I'd be amazed if it's for uploads as well, so I'm expecting 3.0 to remain for uploads.

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you can't be on two different networks, you either migrate over to 3.1 and your modem connects as such or you stay on 3.0. You can't use 3.1 for downloads and 3.0 for uploads, it doesn't work like that.

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I...don't think that's actually true, Max. I believe upstream and downstream can be negotiated independently. I did some googling and found this support ticket from someone seeing exactly this - 3.1 downstream but 3.0 upstream: https://forums.businesshelp.comcast....eam/td-p/34069

Of course that's a fault, but all the same it's technically possible.

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Fascinating, i would love to understand how that works. I was under the impression the modem established one connection using a set specification and it communicates using that. I didnt realise the upsteam and downstream could work independently. I can remember Igni saying saying 3.1 wont use channels as we currently understand them so if that is the case we are talking about the modem making two seperate connections. I need to do some reading.

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From my understanding (And this all needs to be taken with a pinch of salt), the modem has to "negotiate" with the CMTS a whole bunch of things. Part of this negotiation is establishing a downstream connection first, then the upload. For each of those, the modem has to negotiate things like what's the latest version of DOCSIS supported, what channels to use, symbol rate, QAM, all that good stuff.

Some of it's dependant on what both ends support, some is dependant on the quality of the line and some is simply configuration.

Igni is right about how DOCSIS3.1 does channels very differently. On 3.0 today, we have chunky channels that are like 8mhz each and bonded together. But I believe those channels aren't exactly right next to each other in the spectrum, you have to leave a "gap" or they could interfere.

On the other side, 3.1 has loads of smaller "Sub-channels" (25-50khz) that means you can make much more efficient use of the spectrum, because you can pack them in quite tightly:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/09/2.png

Another bonus to this is they can increase the QAM rate, from 256 today to at least 4096. That's a fancy way of saying you get 50% more bits in the same frequency amount - on top of the gains of more efficient spectrum usage. However with higher QAM, you need less interference on the line. The improvements to 3.1 should mean it's better overall but I guess if you've got noise, you could drop down below 4096 and maybe even end up on 3.0 channels.

There's other improvements as well, like how error correction is handled and how the system can cope with bad lines. All in all, it's about making more efficient use of what's currently there.

We don't get the full 3.1 benefit overnight, though. You can't use the same frequencies for 3.1 OFDM channels as the older 3.0 channels, so they have to live side-by-side for a while:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/09/3.png

Until eventually you get this:

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2019/09/4.png

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nice, once the initial rollout is complete hopefully they'll have a plan in place to make shub swap outs mandatory on all tech visits over the next couple of years so everyone can be migrated over to 3.1. It makes you wonder though, if 3.1 has so many benefits and it is the upload which VM have always struggled with, why aren't they moving over to 3.1 for upload first and leaving the downstream till later? They are miles ahead of other isps on downstream speed and it is the upstream which needs to catch up.

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I remember him saying that too. He also said 3.1 would be for downstream but VM will still use 3.0 for upstream

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I dont remember reading that

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Sources told me tonight that "VM testing 1gbs Broadband also a new router and TV Box."

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One can perhaps assume there'll be new pricing deals and new hardware after the 1st October (the date when existing customers need to have cancelled/renegotiated existing contracts) :)

That's normally what happens, in any case!

Tom

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Southampton is slated to be the first to get DOCSIS 3.1 with a new Hub 4.0 router delivering 1Gbps download but apparently only 50Mbps upload.

I don't know anything about a new TV box except that the Horizon 4 UI is expected to replace TiVo on the V6.

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Could the new tv box be Horizon I wonder?

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Any whispers on pricing for these gigabit packages? Can't imagine it'll be cheap since VM don't really have much competition on it other than places where Hyperoptic etc are

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It might not be as expensive as you think. It will get very confusing if there are a gazillion tiers and you might find they realign them to 100 (S), 300 (M), 500 (L) and 1gbit (XL) for example.

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The 1Gbps download comes with I believe 50Mbps upload. Now the M500 is 516/36, so who will choose 1Gbps over M500 when the upload speed difference is so small? I think the price difference will need to be small for it to be worthwhile.

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The people that want the download speed more and don't mind paying a premium will chose it, with a mine is bigger than yours mentality regardless as to whether they need it.

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From £62 apparently. That's the standalone price which, if correct, is interesting as I don't think 500mb is available standalone?

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...broadband.html

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Seems that 1Gbps is likely to be £62 a month

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...broadband.html

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https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...elease-Date-UK

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From the above link; "becoming available to all 15 million of their UK premises by 2021". There'll be another half a dozen above inflation price increases before then.

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Does anyone know if we can all get the hub 4 without upgrading our packages as the hub 3 sucks

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The upgrade to 1Gbps requires DOCSIS 3.1 which is supported only by the hub 4, so all customers wanting this speed will have their hubs replaced.

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No not at this time

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that sucks hopefully next year

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https://www.virginmedia.com/shop/broadband/speeds

'Gig1 fibre broadband' tier listed there.

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The upload speed is disappointing, but not unexpected.

They should have gone 10:1 on the gig packages

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I think the upload channels are still DOCSIS 3.0.

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Wonder why VM didn't update M50, now 5Mb not 3Mb?

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Great to see that the Hub 4 has the "Ability to provide no routing/no NAT". Will this be as easy to convert to and back again, as with 'Modem Only mode' in Hubs 2 and 3?

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I use the HUB 3 in modem mode and have an Asus RT-AC3200 Router and that works well for me.