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papa smurf 16-06-2019 10:34
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999254)
I'd quite happily get rid of daytime TV, soaps, reality TV, any programmes about fecking property buying or antiques! However some want them and as the BBC has to appeal to everyone then that's the way it is if we want TV 24/7, unless we want to pay a lot higher fee.

But yes, OAPs do watch the TV more than anyone else, which is even more reason they should pay if they can afford to. Non earning, debt ridden Students are expected to pay the licence, subsidising the rich old folk, even though they rarely watch TV ! It's bonkers.




Students should be studying not watching Tv. any hoo i think your totally out of touch with student recreational habits.

Ken W 16-06-2019 11:45
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999260)
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Students should be studying not watching Tv. any hoo i think your totally out of touch with student recreational habits.


Increase the income tax to 80% on all earning's above £20000

Maggy 16-06-2019 12:27
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https://inews.co.uk/opinion/bbc-tv-l...LaFwTtumRs6ttI

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MPs have just begun their 17-day parliamentary recess and, while many of them will still be working hard for their constituents over the Christmas break, they do, like the rest of us, deserve a holiday. But what may seem surprising to some voters is that, amid the row over the funding of free TV licences for the elderly, it has emerged that MPs are themselves entitled to claim the cost of a licence from the taxpayer.
Just to add balance.

papa smurf 16-06-2019 12:29
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Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35999268)
Increase the income tax to 80% on all earning's above £20000
There wouldn't be any point in working with such a scheme.

Angua 16-06-2019 12:34
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Sorry it's a DM article link. Over-75s may claim millions in benefits for free TV licences as Age UK reveals it's been 'inundated' with calls.

This could potentially cost the government more than they saved by not subsidising the over 75 TV Licence.

nomadking 16-06-2019 14:06
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999276)
How about truth and context?


That will be because they are required to have TWO TV licences for their REQUIRED 2 properties(one in their constituency and the other in London).

Mr K 16-06-2019 14:33
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35999289)
How about truth and context?


That will be because they are required to have TWO TV licences for their REQUIRED 2 properties(one in their constituency and the other in London).
Just like families with a student away from home then, except they have to pay?

This is a Govt. decision, anyone blaming the BBC has been hoodwinked.

Hom3r 16-06-2019 14:48
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I don't see why MPs get it free?

pip08456 16-06-2019 14:53
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999276)
So MP's have their Christmas break in June? No wonder they can't run the country.

denphone 16-06-2019 14:58
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999290)
Just like families with a student away from home then, except they have to pay?

This is a Govt. decision, anyone blaming the BBC has been hoodwinked.
You mean the anti BBC brigade.;)

richard s 16-06-2019 17:18
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35999043)
There isn't enough advertising revenue to go round (and it's currently in decline), if this was put forward as an idea, expect ITV etc to complain and for FTA channels to close.

That is because they charge to much for advertising... what is wrong with competition.


I see some of the top exec's have been given a big pay rise!

papa smurf 16-06-2019 18:48
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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35999292)
I don't see why MPs get it free?
It's so they can turn on the tv in the morning to see what loathsome maggots are camped out on the doorstep .

Hugh 16-06-2019 20:56
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Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35999319)
That is because they charge to much for advertising... what is wrong with competition.


I see some of the top exec's have been given a big pay rise!
So what you are saying is that each of the channels should have less revenue, as they will be charging less for the advertising?

Maggy 16-06-2019 23:47
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35999289)
How about truth and context?


That will be because they are required to have TWO TV licences for their REQUIRED 2 properties(one in their constituency and the other in London).
So? What the hell difference should that make? That would be the same for anyone with two homes that they reside in intermittently.Being an MP shouldn't come into it.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999294)
So MP's have their Christmas break in June? No wonder they can't run the country.
That's not really the point is it?:rolleyes:

nomadking 17-06-2019 00:45
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999355)
So? What the hell difference should that make? That would be the same for anyone with two homes that they reside in intermittently.Being an MP shouldn't come into it.

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That's not really the point is it?:rolleyes:
They are REQUIRED(being the operative word), to have 2 homes. That is why they are reimbursed for the additional costs of that 2nd home. A TV Licence isn't a PPV item. Anyway totally irrelevant to this thread.


If you want to point out a huge unfair anomaly, you should comment on the situation where there could be half a dozen adults in a household, but only one of them has to be over 75, in order for the whole household to qualify.

Maggy 17-06-2019 09:21
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35999358)
They are REQUIRED(being the operative word), to have 2 homes. That is why they are reimbursed for the additional costs of that 2nd home. A TV Licence isn't a PPV item. Anyway totally irrelevant to this thread.


If you want to point out a huge unfair anomaly, you should comment on the situation where there could be half a dozen adults in a household, but only one of them has to be over 75, in order for the whole household to qualify.
They are not required to have two homes especially those who represent London constituents.

I wonder what proportion of the over 75s live in a household with lots of freeloading adults? The royal family being one. ;)

I think we are wandering into the realms of nonsense. This decision is completely pointless and won't gain much in the way of funding for the BBC in view of the outlay to run the organisation. They should have just paid their over paid executives a lot less in wages.

TheDaddy 17-06-2019 10:21
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999367)
They are not required to have two homes especially those who represent London constituents.

I wonder what proportion of the over 75s live in a household with lots of freeloading adults? The royal family being one. ;)

I think we are wandering into the realms of nonsense. This decision is completely pointless and won't gain much in the way of funding for the BBC in view of the outlay to run the organisation. They should have just paid their over paid executives a lot less in wages.
And their overpaid "talent", last time I saw watchdog I did wonder if the show really needed all those presenters, even more so with match of the day, does it really need someone paid hundreds of thousands of pounds a year for simply saying whose up next, save the cash and we'll work it out for ourselves, if the cut the waste they'd have enough to cover this shortfall

pip08456 17-06-2019 15:42
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999355)
So? What the hell difference should that make? That would be the same for anyone with two homes that they reside in intermittently.Being an MP shouldn't come into it.

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That's not really the point is it?:rolleyes:
It is when you take a reality check. Is this break in June a Christmas break?

Hugh 17-06-2019 17:03
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999409)
It is when you take a reality check. Is this break in June a Christmas break?
The date on the article is
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Thursday December 20th 2018

pip08456 17-06-2019 17:09
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35999417)
The date on the article is
Glad you did the reality check then.

Hugh 17-06-2019 17:13
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999418)
Glad you did the reality check then.
It wasn’t hard...

Maggy 17-06-2019 18:00
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35999409)
It is when you take a reality check. Is this break in June a Christmas break?
It was 7 months ago and still relevant in June 2019.

RichardCoulter 17-06-2019 23:37
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35999367)
They are not required to have two homes especially those who represent London constituents.

I wonder what proportion of the over 75s live in a household with lots of freeloading adults? The royal family being one. ;)

I think we are wandering into the realms of nonsense. This decision is completely pointless and won't gain much in the way of funding for the BBC in view of the outlay to run the organisation. They should have just paid their over paid executives a lot less in wages.
As a crown property, Buckingham Palace has never required a TV licence, meaning that the Queen has never had to pay a TVL, even before she was 75!

Chris 17-06-2019 23:41
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She probably needs one for Balmoral, as that’s the private property of the Windsor family, not the Crown.

RichardCoulter 18-06-2019 17:54
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35999487)
She probably needs one for Balmoral, as that’s the private property of the Windsor family, not the Crown.
Maybe we will see her putting in a claim for Pension Credit to keep her free TVL licence at Balmoral then :D

After all, she did try to claim for a heating grant for bills in 2004 and for a new heating system in 2010 from a fund intended to help impoverished pensioners :erm:

Hugh 18-06-2019 19:44
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35999540)
Maybe we will see her putting in a claim for Pension Credit to keep her free TVL licence at Balmoral then :D

After all, she did try to claim for a heating grant for bills in 2004 and for a new heating system in 2010 from a fund intended to help impoverished pensioners :erm:
tbf, she didn’t try to claim it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11403544
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A royal aide asked the government if the Queen was eligible for part of a £60m energy-saving fund in 2004, the Independent newspaper said.
I very much doubt she was in the loop for that discussion...

papa smurf 18-06-2019 19:53
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35999554)
tbf, she didn’t try to claim it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11403544

I very much doubt she was in the loop for that discussion...
I think she overheard people talking about it when she was in the pension Queue at the post office;)

Hugh 18-06-2019 19:56
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35999556)
I think she overheard people talking about it when she was in the pension Queue at the post office;)
Probably goes straight into her Coutts account...;)

RichardCoulter 18-06-2019 21:48
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35999554)
tbf, she didn’t try to claim it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11403544

I very much doubt she was in the loop for that discussion...
True, i'm sure she didn't personally instigate it, but these people were working on her behalf

Many self employed people are now being chased for tax arrears after their accountants used Loan Based Remuneration Schemes to reduce tax liability. Their defence that these schemes were brought about by their accountants working on their behalf have been met with the blanket statement that, despite employing accountants to deal with their financial affairs, it is ultimately down to each individual to personally ensure that their tax affairs are appropriately in order.

It can't be one rule for one person and another rule for someone else.

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Yet more demonstrations and outrage from pensioners groups on the news this evening about their loss of approx £3 a week.

Where were they when their pensions were going up above inflation and disabled people had their benefits cut or frozen? Where were they when benefits for children were slashed?

Hugh 18-06-2019 22:09
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Discussing applying for a grant (and then not applying after discussions) ≠ using a dodgy tax scheme...

Loan Based Remuneration Schemes - People who use these schemes had their salary paid in loans, instead of being paid in the usual way. Normally, when you’re given a loan, you have to pay it back, often with interest added.

But these loans are paid to people in such a way that means it’s unlikely that they’ll ever have to repay them. In other words, the person receiving money from a loan scheme kept it all. And, they don’t pay any tax on this money, even though it’s clearly income.

Do you really believe professional people didn’t think/know that using a scheme that meant you avoided any tax on earnings was dodgy?

RichardCoulter 19-06-2019 00:00
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35999567)
Discussing applying for a grant (and then not applying after discussions) ≠ using a dodgy tax scheme...

Loan Based Remuneration Schemes - People who use these schemes had their salary paid in loans, instead of being paid in the usual way. Normally, when you’re given a loan, you have to pay it back, often with interest added.

But these loans are paid to people in such a way that means it’s unlikely that they’ll ever have to repay them. In other words, the person receiving money from a loan scheme kept it all. And, they don’t pay any tax on this money, even though it’s clearly income.

Do you really believe professional people didn’t think/know that using a scheme that meant you avoided any tax on earnings was dodgy?
Most just tend to shove everything into the hands of their accountants and leave them to it whilst they concentrate on their business/career. Unwise, but true.

My salient point was that people are expected to take an interest in their affairs and cannot hide behind the third parties working on their behalf.

OLD BOY 19-06-2019 08:49
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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35999572)
Most just tend to shove everything into the hands of their accountants and leave them to it whilst they concentrate on their business/career. Unwise, but true.

My salient point was that people are expected to take an interest in their affairs and cannot hide behind the third parties working on their behalf.
This is true, but you should be able to rely on professional advice and you should be able to sue them if they get it wrong and incur a loss for you.

If you run your own business, you are more concerned with growing that business, getting more customers, performing the service and dealing with invoicing, bills etc, and it is easy to pay insufficient attention to important matters that are with the professionals to sort out on your behalf.

What you say is correct, but it ignores the difficulty that many busy businessmen face.

Maggy 19-06-2019 09:37
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Let's not stray away from the topic please.

Mr K 20-06-2019 12:42
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Problem is people see BBC in the title and go on their usual rant. Maybe it should be renamed to:-
'Govt. to scrap free licence fee for over 75s', which would be more accurate.

Chris 20-06-2019 13:25
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999721)
Problem is people see BBC in the title and go on their usual rant. Maybe it should be renamed to:-
'Govt. to scrap free licence fee for over 75s', which would be more accurate.
Except that it wouldn’t be more accurate. The government and the BBC negotiated this as part of charter renewal. The BBC agreed to take on funding of free licences and so they continued after the government stopped paying for them. It is the BBC that is now scrapping the universal entitlement to them in favour of means testing.

If you want to be accurate, you have to actually be accurate. ;)

nashville 21-06-2019 15:13
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I my letter from the TV license people this morning, telling me about the stopping of the free license for over 75". They are not wasting any time, Hope it can be stopped before that, we do not get pension credit must are not much over the limit for it,

Hugh 21-06-2019 15:55
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Some info on Pension Credit.

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/sa...ension-credit/

And an online tool to check if you qualify.

https://www.gov.uk/pension-credit-calculator

TheDaddy 21-06-2019 17:05
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Loads of good press for auntie at the moment, there's this, the meet the next PM debacle and now they can't even get the mastermind final done without controversy, if I were 75+ I'd ask for a refund

Mr K 21-06-2019 17:47
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35999850)
Loads of good press for auntie at the moment, there's this, the meet the next PM debacle and now they can't even get the mastermind final done without controversy, if I were 75+ I'd ask for a refund
Yet they still put out the best drama on TV atm. Summer of Rockets, Killing Eve, Years and Years, Gentleman Jack., Fleabag... And the best documentaries e.g. The Planets Each to their own but it's better than the imported repeated crap on other channels - but it does all need paying for.

It's a bit like Tax cuts everyone wants them but they still want the same NHS, Police and public services. Not sure whether pension credit is the right criteria for free licences, but not sure what else they can easily use, and as mentioned pensioners watch the most TV.

pip08456 21-06-2019 18:13
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999855)
Yet they still put out the best drama on TV atm. Summer of Rockets, Killing Eve, Years and Years, Gentleman Jack., Fleabag... And the best documentaries e.g. The Planets Each to their own but it's better than the imported repeated crap on other channels - but it does all need paying for.

It's a bit like Tax cuts everyone wants them but they still want the same NHS, Police and public services. Not sure whether pension credit is the right criteria for free licences, but not sure what else they can easily use, and as mentioned pensioners watch the most TV.
You keep harping on about that as if they were exclusive to BBC. Out of the list only one is a BBC production and not exclusive.

Fleabag produced by: Two Brothers Pictures for BBC, Amazon Prime (Germant, Netherlands, Singapore and USA) and YLE Finland.

Gentleman Jack produced by: Look Out Point Ltd, BBC and HBO.

Years and Years produced by Red Production Company for: BBC, HBO and HBO Spain.

Killing Eve produced by: Sid Gentle Films, Endeavor Content and BBC America for:BBC, BNN-VARA, Bravo Network Canada, Canal+, HBO (spain), RTE, and WOWOW Prime (Japan).

OLD BOY 21-06-2019 18:37
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999855)
Yet they still put out the best drama on TV atm. Summer of Rockets, Killing Eve, Years and Years, Gentleman Jack., Fleabag... And the best documentaries e.g. The Planets Each to their own but it's better than the imported repeated crap on other channels - but it does all need paying for.

It's a bit like Tax cuts everyone wants them but they still want the same NHS, Police and public services. Not sure whether pension credit is the right criteria for free licences, but not sure what else they can easily use, and as mentioned pensioners watch the most TV.
There is some good stuff on the BBC, Mr K, on that we can agree. However, if they tackled the waste and stopped shelling out for the dross, and maybe cut their TV channels down to two, they would make a nice little saving and have some more worthwhile channels to boot (ie without so much junk).

I wonder how much it costs Virgin Media to run its UHD channel? It only broadcasts during prime time, but the programmes are good and there are no advertisements. That is the kind of quality they should be seeking out for all of their broadcast hours, and maybe we wouldn't be so annoyed with them. If they can't find anything good for daytime, they should close down during that time and save money. If we want to watch rubbish, there are plenty of other channels out there doing that already.

richard s 21-06-2019 20:36
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Here just a bit of old news for some people who do not know the seriousness of not paying for a TV licence... yes that oblong box that sits on the sideboard or fitted to a wall.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/59...Scotland-fines

nashville 22-06-2019 00:04
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Just received my letter today telling me that we will now have to pay the TV licence from next June unless we are on pension credit. So I better start saving now.

Hugh 22-06-2019 00:32
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Originally Posted by nashville (Post 35999898)
Just received my letter today telling me that we will now have to pay the TV licence from next June unless we are on pension credit. So I better start saving now.
Pay it monthly by direct debit- that’s what we do (like our Council Tax and Utilities).

Mr K 22-06-2019 10:02
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Originally Posted by nashville (Post 35999898)
Just received my letter today telling me that we will now have to pay the TV licence from next June unless we are on pension credit. So I better start saving now.
How much a month do you manage to pay for Virgin Media? Their line rental alone is more than the BBC licence.

papa smurf 22-06-2019 10:17
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35999914)
How much a month do you manage to pay for Virgin Media? Their line rental alone is more than the BBC licence.
My mobile provider is 1p per min, virgin land line is 13p /min after a connection charge :shocked:


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