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Mi!itary action not required by us. All we are is the tail on the American dog. I did my time in Aden, NI, Falklands this type of action does no good to anyone. Most of the peop!e shouting for military action have never been in and do not have the guts to go in. The gov is crying out for recruits, don't see any of these volunteering.

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I have never been in any of the armed forces, I missed National Service by a few years.
Not that I'm a coward or anything, but I'm the sort that if I had a weapon and some basket case was giving me grief . . . well it wouldn't end well ;)

All respect to those who have served, but I'm afraid I'm not mentally capable of doing it in the way it needs to be done :D

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Our involvement always does seem to be token these days on account we don't have a much of a military any longer. Why us (and this incase the French) all the time, why should we always bear the risk and cost? Where's Germany , Italy, Spain, or any of the other 190 plus nations ? We are a small nation who still thinks it's a superpower, could come back to haunt us if, God forbid, there's ever another worldwide conflict.

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If i had my time again i would still serve. I do beleave the use of chemical weapons must be stopped and it is for the stronger countries to deal with it. Those involved in this attack on the *******s using chemical weapons have my respect and i hope they stay safe. The *******s can burn in hell for what they did.

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I agree, we still think we are a superpower (jokes on us). Other nations not getting invo!ved have a sensible government. Do not have people in power that thinks America 'best thing since sliced bread'.

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We were a strong military power. We do not have a military strong enough to defend this country imo.

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Everyone I knew in the army had a rather splendid time in Germany, I had one cousin in the Falklands and he went to Ireland to he got the brown end of the stick because the other two hardly left Germany. The country didn't want my services, someone who makes their living through violence or more accurately the threat there of isn't someone who fits into our modern army apparently

You hear about our super duper new frigates or destroyers, whatever they are, big ships with big guns, all broken down, apparently the best ship out there is German and called the hessen iirc

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And why the hell should they? This is the most ridiculous thing to say and suggest. You don’t need to have served or serve to say military action is required. To do so is outright snobbery.

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No it's not it's having the guts to back your convictions. If you won't do it, don't ask other people to

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Utter rubbish.

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Lots of misinformation being put out. That 70 of the 105 missles were intercepted by Syrian defence systems. Pentagon says non of their missles were intercepted.

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The first casualty when war comes is the truth sadly..

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105 missiles

One Hundred and Five

someone somewhere is making a few £££

seems war is always good for business

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Especially when missiles are sold to oppressive regimes.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-saudi-arabia

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Latest: The United Nations Security Council has voted to reject the Russian Resolution to condemn the “Aggression” shown by the U.S and it’s allies, France and U.K. in Syria.

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Excellent.


Lets be honest it would have been a waste of time anyway. It would have been veto'd

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My gut feeling is that if this strike has had the desired effect, it will go down well with the public and reflect well on the three leaders' popularity.

I don't think there's much appetite in the UK for sending the troops in but I think a single airstrike is a different matter.

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Where is the article?

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We have an army for a reason it's not just to fight wars in our own country we have a duty these days to protect those around us.

I don't believe in this here Rambo bull crap that gets put round all these war heroes "he was only 18 and was killed fighting in a war he didn't ask for"

What a load of crap you sign up for a reason with the understanding that the job has risks and one of them is death, I don't pay my tax for 50k troops to climb walls all day, drive around in jeeps and fly over to other countries to do the same thing and get paid a good wage for it. Class themselves as a hero and never actually fought in a war.

All this I didn't ask for it or don't send troops to war unless you do it yourself. If that's the case don't sign up.

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We have managed to draw a line globally about nuclear weapons..We need to make sure that we keep the line over chemical and biological weapons or the future could become very bleak globally.There should have been far more reaction over the previous Syrian gas attacks. Hopefully it's not a case of too little too late.

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HERE :)

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Developing:- U.S Ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley says the U.S is Preparing a New round of Sanctions on Russia for it's support of Syria. Will be announced tomorrow.

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If posting a news item then a link to where it came from is helpful, unlike you.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2018/04/14/p...kes/index.html

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Excuse me, it did NOT come from anywhere at the time, it was on the news on the TV at the time of posting it. :rolleyes:

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Well my quoted post was not directed at you. Might just be worth stating where it came from then.

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Before the bombing started, l had calls at the door from local councillors regarding the local elections.
A Tory councillor that l spoke with said that he and his colleagues were hoping that TM would do the honourable thing and recall parliament, to seek permission from the house to commence the alliance with the US and France.

He believed that TM will be fighting for her door by going along with DT. Who we know has gone into this 'war' without using his head.

At the end of the day, the UK. Can be targeted by 'silent' Russian hit squads and hit the shores of the UK.

As we all know it easy to get into the UK.

I would love to watch PM QT. But l have other better things to do and then watch an argument in Parliament and TM trying to answer the big question ' why did you go into battle with US and France without our permission. Which some have said is illegal

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We can be targeted they can be targeted everyone can be targeted and that's always been the case so it changes nothing. If the UK becomes too scared to act because of repercussions then we really are a small nation and would be better off out of anything risky we should get out of NATO as that's risky good job we are getting out of the EU that was one big risk and the UK is now out of the risk business. Appeasement always sounds good in the short term trouble is in the medium to longterm it costs more lives, money and time assad and putin being left alone to do whatever they want isn't good for anyone.

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Her Majesty's government has royal prerogative powers, the government is the executive and can issue commands to the military without Parliamentary approval.

When then Prime Minister, David Cameron's vote in 2013 to strike Syria was defeated, he honoured that vote but he didn't have to do so, legally. He could have had the vote, lost as he did and still took military action.

Seeking parliamentary approval has become the standard convention, but they are not necessarily legally enforceable.

This is why you have the apparent Putin appeaser, Corbyn, trying to suggest creating a War Power Act, that requires a vote in the house, to pass any legal test in the future that requires Parliament to approve military action. I think such an Act would bog us down in litigation, while meanwhile we are having bombs thrown over our heads.

But as for May ordering a strike with our allies this weekend, she is legally protected in the sense that a Parliamentary approval may be circumvented to protect either, i)Critical national interests, ii)Prevent humanitarian catastrophe, or iii) In self-defence.

I would say a foreign regime, such as Syria using Chemical weapons comes under "prevent humanitarian catastrophe', which Theresa May will have to justify tomorrow when she speaks in the Commons and likely use this line of passing the legal test for the military strike.

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:tu::clap:

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Quite right, Mick. Some people just want delay in an effort to avoid getting involved at all. In a situation like this, you need to respond immediately, not weeks or months later. Of course, where Corbyn is concerned, it would be never. The evidence he wants would have to be detailed forensic evidence that left not a single ridiculous argument left to argue.

Our justice system requires proof that is 'beyond reasonable doubt', and we certainly have at least that level of proof about Assad's involvement in this latest gas attack. You have to be pretty naive to believe that anyone else can be responsible for this evil deed.

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I don't think those who want to debate it necessarily all want to kick it into the long grass though I suspect JC does. Those I've heard on the radio say that a precedent has been set for a Parliamentary vote on such matters and Parliament could have been recalled to avoid delaying any action. Constitutionally, as Mick has pointed out, Theresa May was perfectly within her powers not to do so.

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Corbyn’s stance has been nothing short of pathetic. This man would be a danger to Britain, if he was PM. But most of us sane people know that.

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You'd think his supporters would have grasped that by now.

I am disheartened by the continuing support that this weak man is getting. For the first time in my life, I am beginning to distrust the wisdom of the electorate. In all previous elections, I have understood the reasons why people have voted as they have. Now I'm beginning to wonder whether the effect of Twitter and social media by reducing everything to soundbites are incapacitating the population in such a way that they can no longer reason for themselves or cope with any detail behind the hysteria.

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That's quite sad - just because some people have a different viewpoint, doesn't make them "unable to reason for themselves".

Have you thought that they might think the same about you?

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l am certainly no fan of Jeremy Corbyn but its insulting and patronising that those who have a different viewpoint as you pointed out are insulted and belittled by some Hugh.

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Just saw this tweet on Corbyn on the Syria strikes and I declare it the tweet of the day....

"Jeremy Corbyn is always wrong. Yesterday he was wrong. Last week he was wrong. 35 years ago he was wrong. He's wrong about everything - he picks the wrong side, he supports the wrong people, he says the wrong things. And this afternoon, again, he got it totally and utterly wrong." Tim Dawson, BBC Comedy Writer.

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We are talking about Jeremy Corbyn here, Hugh.

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What, who think JC should be PM? Sorry, but there's no excuse....:rolleyes:

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Looks like Trump'S BITCH got away with it.

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It does not matter who we are talking about as it could be Alien Zarg from outer space as the trouble with you its all about your viewpoint and nobody else's and if any posters thing differently to your view you insult and patronise them and make it quite clear that you think they are simple-minded
and unintelligent..

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:nono: Do not use 'derogatory' language like that again on this forum.

And you're wrong, as per usual.

There was nothing to get away with. She passed the legal test to use military action.

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So says the pacifist who wouldn't defend his country.

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I have only said this of Jeremy Corbyn, because he is dangerous. He consorts with terrorists and if in power he would seriously damage our security and ruin our economy.

Plenty on this forum have questioned the judgement of the American people in choosing Donald Trump as their president and I didn't hear you protesting then about their right to say so. But where Oh, Jeremy Corbyn is concerned, there seems to be a bit of a blind spot.

At least the Donald isn't devastating the American economy, which makes him rather better than JC.

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So says nothing.

I don't need to defend this country, we're not at war. :rolleyes:

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The point I see Denphone making isn't about who is the better out of Trump or Corbyn. It's about accepting that others have valid but different viewpoints and respecting their right to hold those views.

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You understand we live in a country with a civilian-led military right?

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Yes, I understand that, but I think we must say on these forums when we feel that people are wrong about the politicians they support.

Den himself said when Nigel Farage was chosen to stand as MP for UKIP: Who's the more foolish...the fool or the fool's who follows him?" (sic).

And he had every right to say that.

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No blind spot here as l have consistently voiced my concerns about Jeremy Corbyn but l have just as many concerns about Theresa May as l see neither as competent leaders at all as Mrs T even though l was not a great fan of hers was far far superior to the current incumbent of 10 Downing Street.

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Granted He might not be devastating the American economy but personally l don't like his preening narcissistic ways but everybody has a different viewpoint and l respect that.

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Say what you want but don't insult and patronise those forum members who have a different viewpoint to yours because they have just as many legitimate reasons for their viewpoint as you have for yours.

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Would you support a party based on just one policy? as good luck to those who voted for Nigel Farage but one policy was never going to make them electable in a million years.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8307726.html

Interesting, wonder if it's credible. What I don't find credible is 100+ missiles launched and no one died, it's either a modern miricle or there was collusion and if there was advanced warning who does that benefit?

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That's very interesting, Den. You have just as many concerns about Theresa May as Jeremy Corbyn? Wow. Since when did Theresa give any cause for concern that was comparable with JC as an apologist for terrorists? How does she compare with the Leader of the Opposition, who cannot even put together a decent Shadow Cabinet because he doesn't even have the trust of the PLP? What even comes near the concerns expressed widely that JC holds up Venezuala as a model he admires? You still voted for this man despite these concerns?

I don't think I have insulted anybody by suggesting they are sleepwalking into supporting a man who is set on devastating this country. And despite criticising me for saying that, you then proceed to justify calling people who supported Nigel Farage 'fools'. In that last paragraph, you destroyed your own argument.

I think you got out of the wrong side of the bed yesterday, Den!

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Well said, RizzyKing. Appeasement of aggressors is never a good idea.

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Voters have many concerns about a whole plethora of issues so there is nothing wow about that unless you think we should all think like you.

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No l am fine and dandy OB even though l woke up several times last night..:)

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Lets be honest if it was a straight choice between Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn i think it's irrational to pick a leader who cosys up to people who attack the citizens of this country, has admiration for hamas and hezbollah and thinks Venezuela is a practical model for a developed nation. Sorry Den but Corbyns popularity was based on out and out lies and half truths and with the exception of momentum most are seeing him for what he is.

Also lets not pretend that Jeremy Corbyn is the labour party or even representative of what it has stood for in recent years even the majority of the plp are struggling to stomach him or what he stands for but they believe in the ideals of the labour party and are reluctant to leave it with him at the helm.

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I am not expecting everyone to think like me, Den. I'm asking that people take a good hard look at Jeremy Corbyn and what he stands for before voting for him next time around.

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Corbyn is just a bad leader. He lacks redeeming qualities as a leader. He isn’t leadership savvy. Theresa May qualities are lacking also. But out of the choice of the two, May clearly wins.

Corbyn would plunder this country in to one huge shithole. He would abolish the Monachy. Drive up the National Dept and he would scrap Trident, leaving us severely defenceless, he would insult the U.S or snub them, there goes our key ally. He would hand Gilbralta back to Spain, let Argentina take the Falklands.

Corbyn is a dangerous man, not this nice luvvy few portray him as. The Putin appeasers mission would be complete when he finally depletes democracy.

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Me thinks an issue today is not how competent a leader is but how competent they appear to be, especially on the media.

Mrs May and her cabinet could (and do) have information we don't and may needed to act more swiftly than could be done with a recall of parliament. They fulfilled the legal requirement and acted in coordination with our allies. Her issue then is how to communicate that without "leaking" any secrets and not appearing to be either weak (at the beck and call of the US) or overly aggressive or indecisive or arrogant.

We elect our leaders and give them certain powers and expect them to use them. If we agree with them there isn't too much of a problem but if we don't we think they shouldn't use those powers without much discussion first.

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BREAKING: Head if the Organisation for Prohibition of Chemical Weapons says the UN Security Team has been shot at in Douma in Syria.

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Nothing unexpected there . . .

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Interesting summary here in Air Force Magazine about the strike package used by the US element.

They got to try out their shiny new(ish) JASSM stealthy cruise missiles: 19 of them which would have been launched well within Syrian/Russian air defence range. Not just a case of flinging Tomahawks out of a destroyer or submarine from a safe distance.

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The U.S has pulled out of Syria. Turkey are moving in and probably going after the Kurds who are our allies. Those Kurd areas were also protecting prisoners from ISIS who might now escape.

Maybe we should have intervened.....

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Already started.

Turkey unleashes airstrikes against Kurds in north-east Syria

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Well up till yesterday the Kurds were also allies of the US, but Trump in his infinite Wisdom has turned his back on them. So anything that happens now will be his doing.

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Escape into Europe according to Donny...

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Why should the USA help the Kurds? - the Kurds "didn't help us in the Second World War, they didn't help us with Normandy"".

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In much the same way donny bonespur didn't help out in Vietnam I guess, good job he likes the Kurds though, imagine how screwed they'd be if he disliked them

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Neither Syria or Turkey have significant oil resources, why else would the USA get involved :D :rolleyes:

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The Kurds, specifically the PKK, have been a painful and expensive thorn in the side of Turkey since 1978. 40,000+ are recorded killed in the conflict which is based on the PKK's fight for an independant state. A state which would also take parts of Syria, Iran and Iraq, right down to the Persian Gulf. The USA armed them against Saddam Hussein, but the Kurds passed weapons amongst themselves, and many were turned against Turkey.

The US airbase at Incirlik, Turkey, is one of vital importance to air power in the Middle East. This is why Trump and Erdogan have danced around each other delicately. Until now.

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This is not a good move. The Kurds aren't going away just as the Taliban aren't going away in Afghanistan so any claim that a "safe zone" can be created is complete hogwash. Erdogan will just be drawing Turkey deeper into a conflict which will never be resolved: Another endless war to coin a phrase from Trump.

Erdogan's behaviour leaves the impression that he sees himself as the self proclaimed Sultan of a new Caliphate, picking up where his Ottoman forebears left off: Wreaking havoc in the near/middle east, the Balkans and South East Europe.... until they got their arses handed to them at the gates of Vienna.

Anyway Erdogan has upset the Israelis now and Netanyahu has pledged "humanitarian" assistance to the Kurds so good luck with that down there.

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:D I think in his boundless wisdom he was thinking of curd. :rolleyes:

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What I find amazing is that Trump announced the US withdrawal late Sunday night, yet the Turks launched their military offensive on Wednesday - logistics for this sort of initiative normally take weeks, if not months, to set up.

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Kurds say they’ll no longer guard IS prisons: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world...-east-50029540

Some civilians and a politician has been executed by pro Turkish forces: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-observers-say

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Good article on Sky News as to how containing thousands of IS prisoners in Syria close to the Turkish borders was not a good long-term plan.
https://news.sky.com/preview/1644642...BxmU422HtDQxDZ

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Looking like a full scale surrender from the Kurds to the Assad regime: https://twitter.com/rafsanchez/statu...29560265859072

They're surrendering to protect the civilians from the Turkish attacks.

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Good news for Russia and Syria. They must be delighted to have a US President prone to making such poor decisions.

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Update.