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Unusual for Yorkshire to be struggling as they are usually nearer the top rather then the basement.

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Bairstow and Brook digging in now, already have to many runs on the board by the looks of it.:(

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Disaster in the last couple of overs, Joss Buttler, Lancashire’s only real hope got out to Joe Root of all people.:(

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Drinking into your beer tonight then Jim.:D

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They think it's all over - it is now!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44932457

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Bit of a find, TiVo has nicely recorded for me Zim v Pak 1 day international highlights, on Sony SAB. The PQ is terrible and aspect ratio all wrong and it's very one sided, but there if you want it ! Also noticed some Canadian 20/20 on Premier Sports the other day, but haven't quite got that desperate yet....

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Now we know it really is hot, for the first time ever MCC members where allowed into the pavilion at Lords without a jacket.:shocked:

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Common sense prevails thankfully.:tu:

l wondered where you had disappeared these past few days Jim.;)

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Think its a ploy to get the old duffers 'black balled', so they can have some new blood. Puts me further up the list anyway :)

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England’s shocking catching could end up costing them dearly. India should have been 100 for 7, two absolute sitters dropped in two balls.:(

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They need to skittle 9 , 10 and 11 pretty quickly if they want a advantage here.

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What a shambles, Malan owes England 128 runs after dropping that dolly, I won’t hold my breath waiting to see that.:rolleyes:

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Poor captaincy also IMO from Root.

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Too many lefties in this England side and even though I am one myself I think we need a right handed opener at the very least.

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Yes l quite agree Jim.

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Typical England this morning l see...:(:td:

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I was going to suggest a new thread or a change of thread title but after that inept display it is still the status quo. :rolleyes:

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As if watching England wasn’t bad enough. Went to the T20 Blast at Old Trafford last night, Lancs v Leics. Lancashire managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They were cruising having scored 190, Foxes miles behind the required rate when a member of the Taliban comes in and scores 86 of 32 deliveries.:shocked:

TBH Nabi did strike the ball with awesome power.

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Some of my family went to the Hampshire game and Kent made a low score of around 120 but it was no as calamitous as Hampshire's loss of wickets early as they lost 4 wickets with around just 20 runs on the board.

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Yes we need a few more Tories in the team for definite ! ;)

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More like we need players who can play a straight bat more and know how to handle googly's Mr K.;)

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If England do manage to scrape a win here it would be totally unjustified even allowing for Sam Currans heroics.

Very poor batting in both innings and woeful catching in India’s first innings. Given home advantage and how India where so undercooked, a dismal display overall.

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If we win this from the position we were in Mr K might have produced his one and only miracle.;)

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Well if Stokes gets sent down and Anderson and Broad break down under the load England could struggle to win this series, five tests in six weeks, madness.

A win is a win I suppose but this one leaves a lot to be desired.

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Yes that was a lot to be desired Jim that is for sure but to win when the team struggles is a nice Brucie bonus no one expected.:D:D

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Stokes did seem very motivated this match for some reason. !

Great Test Match,. beats T20 anyday. Low scores always make a good game.

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Well done Chris Woakes on your maiden hundred..:clap:

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An easy win in the end against a thoroughly dispirited Indian side. Badly prepared and even though England got out of jail in the first match and by winning the toss here they had by far the best of both bowling and batting conditions the old adage is true. ‘Fail to prepare, prepare to fail ‘.

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Strange after part of the first test England were being pilloried from pillar to post Jim and now its India that are getting all the brickbats now..

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England’s top order batting deserves to be pilloried, the lower order and the bowlers got them out of jail in both games.:(

OT, Lancashire thrash table toppers Durham to qualify for the T20 quarterfinals.:)

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Yes there are certainly still ongoing problems with the top order that is for sure.

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England cricketer Ben Stokes found not guilty of affray after fight outside Bristol nightclub.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-45182868

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...P=share_btn_tw

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Surprising given the video footage, but the jury knows best. Hope he's learnt a lesson even if he isn't 'criminally' guilty.

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In a court of law one has to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the defendant is guilty Mr K.

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Not doing too well tonight Jim..

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Already qualified and it doesn't really matter if they finish 2nd or 3rd as they are not playing any more games at Old Trafford this season. The outfield is being completely replaced for next year.

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That still does not excuse a poor performance though.

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A waterproof 3G surface with a roof would be best at Old Trafford ;)

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Knocking the football end stand down and letting Leeds Rhinos use the whole playing area at Headingley would be a good idea. :p:

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Extending the Yorkshire Dales and making a land grab of Lancashire land would also be a great idea ! Oooh - we've already done that ! :D

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To quote a line from the song by the Oldham Tinkers called Owdham Edge. ‘An now we come ter Yorkshurs line, a can’t si nowt past theer but grime’ :D

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And to quote my Dad "On yer Bike son".:D

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Why not start an Aussie Rules league and use the cricket grounds all year round?

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Amazingly there's some live cricket on BBC Red Button from 4pm today... :)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/44861598

Not sure what the quality of play will be like ;)

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Just right for us old timers.;)

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That lets me out then. ;)

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Sam Curran get M.O.M in first test and gets dropped to make way for Stokes.:rolleyes:

I would have been tempted to leave Rashid out and play five pace bowlers given how badly India have played seam/swing bowling so far.

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Good fun match that. Michael Vaughan was taking it seriously towards the end and he still lost :D

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I see Yorkshire got thrashed and miss out on the T20 quarterfinals.:)
Rolled over by Alex ‘I wasn’t there at the time ‘Hales. :(

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T20 is not cricket ;)

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I thought that Cricket was the dullest sport ever, until Radio e Live Sports Extra covered Golf.

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So given your great intellect what is it then??.;)

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The 'MacDonalds' of the game designed for non-cricket/out of season football fans !

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Funny that as several in my family including are avid lovers of cricket no matter what the format..;)

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Looking like a proper test match for a change. :)

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Well it was in the first test unless l am mistaken..;)

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Not really, both sides played poorly bar for a few isolated performances. A proper test match doesn’t finish in three days. ;)

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Tests have been finishing in 3 to 4 days quite a lot in these past few years.:)

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My point exactly, a proper ‘test’ is two equally matched sides battling over five days for a win.

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l have seen plenty of proper tests without going into a fifth day Jim.:)

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There have been a lot lately. Teams just seem to have one attack mode, they don't know how to defend any longer. I blame 20/20 ;)

Shaping up to be a good Test Match. Root got the toss wrong but England could still win anyway.

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Oh, I dunno...Bangladesh and Zimbabwe played Test Cricket for a reason ; the tests where the Aussies and South Africans hammered them would still be considered "proper wins", for the victors. Just wouldn't be very competitive for the neutral viewer to watch.

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Then you and I will just have to differ on our definition of a 'proper test', one sided, easy, three day wins are not my idea of proper tests.

Granted the first test in this series was an ebb and flow game that did have moments of excitement, but that was due in the main to the incompetence of both teams with a few notable exceptions.

The last test was not really a good watch, the outcome was predicable after the first days play.


This match is shaping up far better and I can see England struggling to chase 400/450 runs if India don't collapse tomorrow.

The weather could still have the final say though. ;)

Bring back Hanif Mohhamad. :)

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Yes we will have to disagree on that one.

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By heck you are showing your age Jim.;)

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England’s top order fails yet again.:rolleyes:

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Top , middle and bottom today sadly..:td:

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Or possibly another truncated, one sided affair.:(

England have now lost all ten wickets in a single session for the third time in the last two years, something that had not happened for the previous seventy eight years. An indictment of T20 if ever there was one.:rolleyes:

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l am a lover of test cricket but it does not bring in the money like T2O does and that ain't going to be changing IMO.

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It does in England, test crowds always decent.

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Well yes, and the batting coach, Mark Ramprakash. He was rubbish as a Test batsman and unsurprisingly no better as a coach, he needs to go. Time for Cook to call it a day too.

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But most of the T20 cricket is at county level Jim and the county clubs see it as a very nice cash earner for them.

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Well I have been to several T20 games this season and watched a few on TV. Apart from the Roses match the crowds have not been great.:rolleyes:

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Perhaps you need to emigrate move down south ;) as the crowds seem bigger down here as my Dad and brother have been to several games and its been pretty packed.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...al-domination/

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No thanks, that just proves that aficionados of ‘proper’ cricket live in the North.:p:

The last couple of games I watched on TV where in the Southern group and the grounds were both less than a third full.

Even those figures in that Telegraph article extrapolate to less than 2500 people per game on average. Granted more than most four day county games but hardly a revolution.:(

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somehow l don't think so Jim.:nono::nono::naughty:

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Not every match is going to be full.

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And again!!!!!!!!!!!.:rolleyes:

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You ain't far from the truth Mr K.

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Ramps had a pretty ordinary international career but his first class record was phenomenal. For whatever reason it just didn't work out internationally. The tactical awareness of the game was clearly there so he would have been well suited to being a batting coach.

And of course, everyone remembers that catch...

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There's the here and now Chloe, and he's failed in his job.
Get Boycott in. They wouldn't dare play loose shots if he was waiting for them in the pavilion ;)

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To me there are several problems as first of all l don't see Joe Root as a good captain of England as thus so far he has been deeply unconvincing.

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True but in his successes, he seems to be well qualified for the job. At least IMO.

I agree with your larger point though.

No, he would be caring about his average....or umm complaining that beefy ran him out.

Or something.

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Who needs Joss Buttler, Lancashire make finals day in T20 Blast. :cool:

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Now you have to get a ticket.;)

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I would almost certainly have been able to get two tickets as a limited number go on sale to members only next week.

Sadly I have to attend my sister in laws 60th birthday party that evening.:(

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England trying to go even lower than ‘rock bottom’ so far.:(

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Creatures of habit sadly..:td::(

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Time for Cook to fall on his sword methinks.:(

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Father time has sadly caught him up.

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Who do you replace him with? His colleagues don't look any better.

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Well perhaps you can give us your knowledgeable suggestions Mr K.;)

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Rory Burns? Got nearly a thousand runs this season.

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Well lets try him and see if he is up to it.

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The only good thing about being rock bottom there is only one way to go after that..;)

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England lose wickets when I watch and don’t take them when I do. Stopped watching after lunch, going to risk watching again now.:)

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Yes its typical sods law Jim.:)

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Alistair Cook to retire after Oval test.

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A great English batsman and servant to the English game but sadly old father time has caught him up.

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Well the thread title is completely wrong now.

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I wouldn’t agree with that, England did win the series but I personally felt underwhelmed by the overall performance. England got very lucky with the toss and the weather at Lords, without the three match turning innings from Curran, Woakes and Buttler none of whom are front line batsmen they would have been well beaten in this series by now. Only India’s total lack of preparation and England’s bowling helped them to scrape through. The batting regularly collapses and the slip catching is often very poor as well.

With a complete dearth of opening or no3 batsmen around and any obvious replacements for Broad and Anderson seemingly no where on the scene the short term future for English cricket is not that rosy ATM. :(

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Not the only thing to hit rock bottom,if Somerset don’t get a points deduction for the Taunton wicket there is no justice. 38 wickets have fallen before 3:00 pm on the second day.:shocked:

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Crikey Jim is in a different league to me as a critic..;):D

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It was a tie ! First in the county championship for 15 years. Sounds like a exciting entertaining wicket to me - can't have that in the game ;) The Lancys are whinging though, no change there ;)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/45415238