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I think that's because there was no "assassin" and no "attack". The nerve gas was effectively self administered. Such a haphazard method would be unable to control the dose and it's unlikely that trials of the method could have been carried out. They were lucky not to have been killed outright as were any people surrounding them.

However this does beg the question: Was this officially sanctioned or some more amateur, still Russian sourced, attempt to kill them?

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Another thought would be similar to land mines - you don't always want to (immediately) kill your victim. You want to wound/incapacitate, take up resources, create tension/fear.

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BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump announces he is speaking to Prime Minister May, later today regarding the Ex-Spy poisoning. He has made the following statement:-



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Of course I am no fan of the EU but they have also said they offer their full support to Theresa May.

"The European Union says it is ready to offer support to the UK if asked over the "shocking" attempted murder of former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia."

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Russia Today are having their licence looked into: https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom...t-news-channel

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The fallout of this and a subsequent response if Russian State is found to have used illegal lethal force, it could be that we could end up boycotting the World Cup later this year. (This is not me saying that).

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We might intentionally play badly and exit the competition early totally on purpose you mean?

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No, Theresa May, may recommend to the FA to pull England team out of the tournament, she may do it if other countries rally round her and also boycott the World Cup. UK doing it alone would not make much of an impact but other countries pulling out will send strong message to Putin.

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I think Damien is right and that is what will happen...

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A Russian national was found dead in London last night, it is not yet, being linked to Salisbury incident but his ‘association’ with links to the Russian State and now subsequent death is being treated as unexplained and suspicious and is also being investigated by counterterrorism police.

https://news.sky.com/story/counter-t...ondon-11288431

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So, no change there then.:D

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Big change, this time we have a reason

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Latest: Downing Street Spokesperson says President Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call the U.S was with the U.K. all the way and Russia must unambiguously explain how it’s nerve agent came to being used.

Also a line coming out from outgoing U.S Secretary of State Rex Tillerson has said if Russia continues to go down this path, it will become increasingly isolated.

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I think someone must have sent that email to the England rugby team by mistake. :D

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FA have said England still intends to attend the World Cup in Russia unless it is told not to by the British Government.

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Gonna be some awfully red faces if it turns out Russia had nothing to do with it oops:

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The Nerve Agent has key signature ingredients, the creator who created it says it's like having a fingerprint, as per the governments stance yesterday, that fingerprint implicates Russia.

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Nope, that fingerprint implicates a toxin developed by Russia. It goes nowhere near proof that Russia used it.

Still, media frenzy is media frenzy in any language :D

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We could well be flying off at a tangent. :(

But who could obtain advantage by implicating Russia?

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The nerve agent isn't something found at the local store in Russia, so yes developed by Russia, it's then how that chemical weapon ended up in the hands of an assassin, if this is not Russia directly responsible, then Russia still need to explain how something so dangerous ended up in the hands of a potential rogue assassin, that's what our government has asked Russia to explain by Midnight tonight.

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It would be nice if Russia could explain how the toxin did end up in the 'wrong' hands . . . much the same as weaponry and nuclear material probably goes missing may be a start :erm:


I've no idea who would gain an advantage, Governments and 'other' groups move in ways far too complicated for me to understand.

But if I wanted to stab someone to death I'd remove all my fingerprints from the weapon . . . or I wouldn't leave the knife there along with my Tesco loyalty card :)

Either the Russians are stupid (which I doubt), or they're playing a silly game of bluff bluff double bluff, or they have been stitched up.

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Well let's hope Trump stops blocking sanctions against his Russian pals.

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We shouldn't go. They bought the World Cup nomination from corrupt FIFA in the first place and our fans will only get beaten up by Russian thugs.

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It’s getting quite serious now. Russia issues warning to UK not to threaten a Nuclear power and had contacted the Foreign Office for them to explain talk of Cyber Attacks against the Russian State, heard in Parliament and the British media.

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Trouble is, we can't rely on Trump and we've made enemies of the EU. Russia have successfully divided and conquered, mostly via social media.

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Sometimes you need to stand up to bullies. Russia aren't going to escalate this to a nuclear war.

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Not true. Both EU and Trump have both vowed total support today, against Russia.

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They are going to support the UK.
They dont want Russia to attack people in their countries either.

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PM to make another statement in the commons at 12.30pm to discuss UK response to the illegal use of force by Russians on UK soil.

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Let's hope it's consequential.

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Will England goto Russia 2018 World Cup or will ie withdraw.

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The PM is expected to announce the expulsion of large quantity of Russian Diplomats but not as many as in 1971. They will likely retaliate and do the same with British Diplomats in Russia.

Russian Ambassador to the UK Alexander Vladirmirovich has just spoken and said these accusations against Russia is unacceptable and is a very serious provocation.

Foreign office has summoned the UN Security Council and they are meeting later today.

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Expelling diplomats is such a weak response. Sanctions against Putin business mates would be more effective.

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Not sure it will be just expulsions.

It's important to point out here that not one question on Russia was asked by Jeremy Corbyn in PMQ's he preferred to jump on the NHS bandwagon and exploiting the death of Stephen Hawkins to score political points.

Official Actions so far: 23 Russian diplomats to be expelled from the UK, they have one week to leave the UK.

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PM Cancels the bilateral meeting arranged with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.

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No Attendance of Ministers or members of Royal family at the World Cup in Russia.

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Corbyn still questioning the burden of proof.

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Corbyn becoming political again. FFS this man is pathetic.

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Corbyn has always been weak on Russia. Absurd statement. Confirms all my worst fears about him.

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Vince Cable calls for action on Arsenal FC Owner, Usmanov.

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That's the kind of robust action we should be taking. But Theresa May will just do the minimum necessary so as to be seen to be taking action as we need Russian money, more so than ever.

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He is a minority shareholder not the owner. ;)

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(Deputy) Leaders of the other Parties, SNP and Liberal Democrats, DUP displaying absolute condemnation for Corbyn's apparent show of appeasement towards Russian aggression on UK streets.

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The diplomatic route is so stupid. Sometimes people aren't willing to talk. What would we even talk about? "Don't poison our citizens, please?". Do we have to make concessions to them just because they display acts of aggression towards us? Putin hasn't shown a desire to remediate, compromise or work with the Western world.

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It's just a box-ticking exercise that all countries do. We need independence of energy from Russia so we can stand up to Putin through robust sanctions. Theresa may not be as weak as Trump and Corbyn are with Russia this but she could go a lot further.

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Chris Byrant, Labour MP says "We should tell the Russian Ambassador to stop telling us what to do and he should be told to go home."

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BREAKING: The Russian Embassy in the UK has just stated "The Expulsion of 23 Russian Diplomats is an 'Hostile Action'."

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Unlike trying to kill people on British soil, or is that just "business as usual" for them? :rolleyes:

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Be interesting to see what Russia does in regards to this.

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This is just it, if they were innocent, why aren't they showing any concern of Russian nationals dying in our country?

If it was any other country they would be issuing travel advisories and showing serious concern that their people are being killed on our streets, but their attitude is just 'Meh'.

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Lot's of shaking of heads being shown towards Team Corbyn, even by Labour back benchers, for him peddling Moscow’s lines and the attitude of, "Well was it really the Russians?"

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Not heard anything from our super-patriots Nigel Farage and Katie Hopkins on this matter...

Probably don't want to screw up their RT appearance fees.

Nigel has made an appearance

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Why is it important what those two think, they aren't Members of parliament?

I don't get what your fixation is wanting to know what Nigel Farage thinks all the time, I see no criticisms on the leader of the opposition from you, why is that ?

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Russian Foreign Ministry, has just stated the UK's government has chosen "confrontation" with Russia and will retaliate soon to the 23 Russian expulsions in the UK.

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Be interesting what the Russian Ambassadors reaction would have been if he'd been given a sample of the nerve agent as requested. I think we should have complied directly into his hand !

On the plus side Zizzi's have put some really good offers on since the incident :)

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Interesting to note that a number of Labour MPs have signed a motion backing Theresa May's comments in today's Statement in the Commons. Showing a moment of unity regardless of political aspirations, where there was none at all from their leader.

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Motive and timing? It's shifted the world's eyes away from Syria.

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UN Security Council Meeting, Live on CSPAN Network begins shortly on Nerve Agent attack on UK Soil....

https://twitter.com/cspan/status/974000573493202945

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What I don't understand is why would the UK not comply to have the Russians also do their own investigation. be it a crock or not?

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Now that we need friends in the world more than ever after the Russian nerve gas attack, I wonder if the hard Brexiteers will be keeping a discreet silence about us taking back total control of our destiny. Just a thought.

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We can still have friends in the world without being chained to the EU.

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Because the UK is rightly sticking to the agreed treaties on chemical weapons and International law in that it is allowing the UN OPCW to conduct an independent investigation which will report back to the UN.

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And even if Russia was given access, there would be denials, delays and further denials from them.

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Exactly. What's the point? No one will be able to see it and quite how the government know it's them is probably sensitive information .

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Conversely the Russians have representatives on the OPCW so would have access to the evidence.

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Right, see this is what I was thinking it was ok for the UK to accuse Russia but without hard evidence it was in fact actually them that has done it seemed a bit of an over reaction to expel diplomats before they have actually got the evidence it was 100% Russian involvement.

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Oh God, does brexit have to permeate every issue? Jim Bowen, Ken Dodd and Stephen Hawking would still be alive if only we hadn't voted to Leave :rolleyes:

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No-one is saying that hard evidence does not exist of Russian involvement or that the UK has over-reacted except Russia which is to be expected.

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So you don't think that the fact that this nerve agent was made by Russia and is only available in Russia is evidence it Russia was responsible?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck.

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I doubt whether Russia is the only country to have knowledge of this nerve gas and it's method of production. For Porton Down to be able to investigate it's properties and possible antidotes means that they must be able to manufacture small quantities for experimentation. Just saying.

The most likely answer.

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:tu:

The Russian response speaks volumes.

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Seems the French have some doubts.

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I stopped worrying about the French after Agincourt.

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Not what’s being reported on Sky News just mow. Says French President Macron, will decide in days what measures France is to apply against Russia, after agreeing with Britain that Moscow was behind the Salisbury Nerve Agent Attack.

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You really believe that only the Russians have access to this stuff?

Two quotes from articles I really can't be bothered to link to . . because no matter what, obviously Russia did it :rolleyes:

research on Novichok had begun in 1987, even as the Soviet Union said it would unilaterally halt all its chemical-weapons programs. It had been developed at the institute and tested in a place called Shikhani, in southeastern Russia, and in the Nukus region of Uzbekistan

Since its independence in 1991, Uzbekistan has been working with the government of the United States to dismantle and decontaminate the sites where the Novichok agents and other chemical weapons were tested and developed.Between 1999 and 2002 the United States Department of Defense dismantled the major research and testing site for Novichok at the Chemical Research Institute in Nukus, under a $6 million Cooperative Threat Reduction program.

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It obviously wasn’t totally destroyed in Russia then was it.

We gave Russia a chance to explain themselves, they chose not to, started coming out with, not issuing ultimatums to a Nuclear State blah blah. That’s not how an innocent party usually responds. They have acted with smug sarcasm.

You know, I almost cried yesterday at that U.N. Security Council meeting last night in New York, that Russia chose to remove all innocence from a quiet little place known as Salisbury, in the U.K. but what was striking was the absolute solidarity shown by all of the other countries. The international community needs to stand firm against Russia.

The Russian Presidential Election is on Saturday, Putin is the only candidate, he cannot fail to win, might as well just call it now. :rolleyes:

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BREAKING: UK, FRANCE, GERMANY AND THE U.S Release joint statement saying the use of the Military grade Nerve Agent, "Constitutes the first offensive use" of a nerve agent since World War II and that there is no plausible alternative that Russia was behind the attack and demand complete disclosure from Russia.

The full joint statement can be read here:-

https://twitter.com/AliBunkallSKY/st...70688004583424

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Didn't they also do similar about those WMD in Iraq . . . that were never found?

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France didn't.

Anyway maybe it's not Russia who poisoned the Russian who spied against Russia with a Russian-developed and Russian manufactured nerve agent in the same way Russia poisoned another Russian agent but it seems awfully likely it was Russia.

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https://twitter.com/joshledermanAP/s...93224721444865

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So every one except Jeremy Corbyn then.

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. . . and the Russians :D

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same thing init:)

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:clap::clap::clap:

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Maybe he's a Soviet spy.. Oh wait a minute.:D

I think we've come full circle somewhere along the line.

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This is on most of the ex-military FB pages today, with the comment

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...5&d=1521136003

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I fear this may be wishful thinking.

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lol :D:D:D

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Read in the papers today about the potential motive. Russian election at the weekend. Stir up the World against Russia so that Putin can say that he's the only person who can stand up for Mother Russia and everyone should vote for him.
Let's hope the Russian electorate don't, so we can enjoy better relations with the country without the fear of our own citizens being assassinated here in the UK.

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I would like to congratulate Mr Putin on his overwhelming victory in the "election"

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All of Putin's credible opponents either had accidents or are in prison so pretty safe bet who will win the dictatorship sorry election. Putin is fast becoming a menace but while Russia has it's nuclear arsenal there is not a lot we can do and clearly sponsoring an opponent is a non starter. He is a russian problem and only the russians can get rid of him and that's not as unlikely as it once was. This was clearly commited by Russia not sure how anyone can really doubt that but confirming it is very easy and russia knows we can easily confirm it which makes this even more blatent and worrying.

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Telegraph are reporting that the nerve agent was secreted in his daughter's luggage: Either an impregnated item of clothing or cosmetics. (Paywall article)

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Same article cited:

Maybe the gun has been jumped in directly blaiming Putin's mob?

Nothing like a good conspiricy theory. :D

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Russia have to explain how a military grade nerve agent made by them has been used in this case..They are signatories to all the international agreements and treaties on chemical weapons..they do have a responsibility to help the investigation and to try and find out why this agent is 'out there' if they don't want to be accused of breaking their agreements.

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Seems to me that Russia (Putin) has already been tried and found guilty, such is the power wielded by the media.

You can maybe guess I place no trust in most things said by Politicians and the media, I'm just an old fuddy duddy that hates being manipulated. I certainly don't fit into todays society, not by a long shot :D

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Which aspects are you doubting?

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Because that's how they operate. Divide and rule.

Just look at the illegal annexation of Crimea.

The way they have behaved since being accused of this reckless act, with smug responses and not to stand up to a nuclear power, well we are a nuclear power as well.

Their attitude is of not to be challenged on any wrong doing they do.

As Damien as said, they are Bullies. Putin has said himself about he hopes Russian traitors "choke" on silver. This shows a lack of concern on anyone who seeks a better life outside of their own country. Russian Nationals are being murdered on UK streets and they don't appear to give a shit.

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Totally agree, for a change ! Just hope Donald's woken up to the threat and any Russian links are terminated. As long as we, the US, the EU, NATO stick together the Russians will do nothing. Trying to split us apart has been their constant aim. Their online social media tactics to try and spread unrest and divisions have been very effective during the US election and Brexit vote.

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Russian citizens are being killed everyday by the security apparatus that Putin has setup not just on our streets this guy is another stalin if he isn't dealt with only plus point is even in Russia communication allows people to get information out. Putin isn't short of enemies and that includes the Russian military we just have to hope they will take care of him before he does something very stupid as he strikes me as the scorched earth personality if he's going down he will take as many as possible with him.

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Ridiculous thing to say that weakens every other point you've made

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No it doesn't weaken anything Putin is a stalin type person he is cruel, sadistic and very petty all traits that joseph stalin had and while Putin is nowhere near the number of murders yet that stalin was responsible for he is a mass murderer and will only continue and increase his victims.

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He probably has WMD hidden away too :Yes:

We should invade as soon as possible to rid the world of this madman and steal his oil.

Then we can award contracts to our best buddies to rebuild what we flattened

well it worked elsewhere didn't it?

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Stalin was responsible for the deaths of up to 50 million people and exiled entire ethnic groups to gulags in Siberia, Putin has many faults and has committed many horrific crimes I'm sure but the two aren't in the same league, they're not even playing the same game and imo to say different is pure sensationalism that detracts from actually holding Putin to account

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Latest: Russia expels 23 British diplomats in a tit-for-tat retaliatory measure.

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Your talking scale i was talking about personality type and while thankfully it's highly unlikely Putin will get to the scale of stalin he is very much a similar personality and is dragging down a great nation full of good people. I genuinely do worry about what he will do if he feels threatened internally and thinks he may lose his position as I'm sure there are many horrific things that will come out when he's gone.

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BREAKING: Russia condemns Britain for skipping Salisbury poison briefing.

https://news.sky.com/story/russia-co...efing-11298747

I guess we are tired of playing games.....

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To be honest unless we work for the intelligence services we don't really know what they have for evidence. They certainly wont release that information anytime soon to the public and the papers just report any old crap they hear just to get a story you can never take what they say as gospel

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Latest: Russian Foreign Ministry Official says Britain May have Orchestrated the Nerve Agent Attack in Salisbury.

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Inspectors from the Organisation For the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons have arrived at the Mill Pub in Salisbury while Russia increases it's war of words slamming Britain's 'Island Mentality' that is suffering from 'Russiaphobia'.

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President of the European Council Donald Tusk says after Salisbury poison attack, he’s in no mood to congratulate Russia’s President Putin’s Re-Election.

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Good for him. Juncker and Trump need to stand up to Putin and stop out-competing each other to creep to the school bully!

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But Trump's already congratulated Putin even when told not to.