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Well it's from NYT, the ******* liberal journo's. They loved Obama, heavens knows why, the shit President that he was.

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They complied a list too: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...umps-lies.html

The claim Trump made against what happened. I.E

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Please, I have no desire to read anything associated with their website. They disgust me with that they did with the Manchester Arena Bomb photos, showing dead bodies and bomb components days after the event and sharing intelligence with whomever in the intelligence community shared it, was a massive offensive display of journalism I have ever seen. Total *******s @ New York Times.

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ok here ya go: http://www.politifact.com/personalit...yruling/false/

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I am not interested, I don't care about the lies. Hillary lied, Bill Clinton lied, Obama lied, whether it's 10 lies or 100. They all do it as it has been said. Do we have any websites dedicated to other world leaders who have lied?

At the end of the day, it doesn't detract the fact that most news stories are full of negative hysteria nonsense as highlighted in the awards that Trump gave and they are well deserved.

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Do any other world leaders have fake news awards or tweet fake news?

To me Trump and the media are as bad as each other, the papers print fake news, the media broadcast fake news and Trump tweets fake news.

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To me, the fact that Trump doesn't acknowledge his fake news makes him worse than any news outlet that owns up to its errors. And that's before we 've looked at accuracy rates.

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The guy is a narcissistic liar.

What I genuinely don't understand is his popularity with the religious right. He's got to be one of the biggest sinners on the planet, and has only declared an interest in God since running for president.

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It’s reported Trump is 6’3".

Barack Obama is 6’1", Jeb Bush is 6’3", Alex Rodriguez (baseball player) is 6’3".

http://www.cableforum.uk/board/attac...1&d=1516302725

http://www.cableforum.uk/board/attac...2&d=1516302725

http://www.cableforum.uk/board/attac...3&d=1516302725

I would say he is 6’1" - your thoughts?

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A lot of people on the religious right are indeed sinners. They are constantly asking for forgiveness in their private worlds, and no wonder when you observe their attitude towards others.

So I am not at all surprised that they adore the Donald.

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Fake - he is way taller than everyone (in fact he's the tallest man who ever has lived), he just crouches in public because he doesn't need to use his height advantage to prove he's the alpha dog.

Cheers

Dave

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I really couldn't care less, and I don't see what it has to do with his ability to carry out his Presidential duties.

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Why would he lie about it? It’s something that can be easily proved/disproved by seeing him next to other people, so why?

Is it because if he was below 6’3", he would be clinically obese? Is it because he needs to be ‘bigger’ than others? Is he so insecure, he needs to ‘enhance’ his height?

It points to how he thinks - if he lies about something this obvious, how can we trust him?

I think I may join the "Girther" Movement - we need to see Trump’s Girth Certificate (the long form, not the short form). ;)

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Do you realise that there is a Harlot in the bloodline of Jesus? She was saved by Faith.

The Jewish people were released from their 70 year captivity in Babylon by King Cyrus the great (not a nice guy!) when Cyrus conquered Babylon. The reason he did so was because he was shown a passage from Isaiah, written around 150 years before, that named Isaiah as an Instrument of God. Cyrus also gave them money to rebuild the Temple that the Babylonians had destroyed.

God can choose anyone he wants to achieve his purpose.

Trump has been talking with prominent Evangelical Christian and watching Christian TV for 10 years.

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All Christians are sinners, saved by grace. If you find a Christian who says that he never messes up: Ignore him; he's not a Christian!

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It's hard to ignore Trump though.

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He's probably just lost his remote control ;)

Trump's only faith is in himself. If the gullible evangelcal masses think he's the Second Coming then more fool them. What's Christian about trying to deny the poor healthcare, or trying to deport immigrant children who are there through no fault of their own?

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Or he's just marking time until he gets the Gorilla channel back. ;)

But don't forget MrK that god (and seemingly Trump) work in mysterious ways, so no point in calling them out for anything bad.

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No, more fool you because they seriously couldn't give a toss what you think and will vote for him again in 2020.

As for fault, it's the fault of their parents who entered the U.S illegally.

Again, because you have issues with democracy, Trump was elected on a mandate to put American citizens first, not illegals.

At the end of the day, President Obama lacked the Constitutional and legal Authority to implement DACA in the first place, which President Obama knew at the time but he implemented it anyway and then in 2014, he attempted to introduce DAPA which, like DACA, instead offered protections for the illegal parents but a Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a Nationwide Injunction against DAPA, which the Supreme Court allowed to stand.

The Executive Branch does not have the legislative power to change or amend laws and that is what Obama was trying to do, which sets a dangerous precedent as it weakens the constitutional balance of powers. This is why Trump, himself, cannot repeal and replace Obama care, that is a congressional responsibility, same with the tax cuts that have just passed.

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His name may not be on the voting slips though due to impeachment or similar. The Russian investigation is ongoing whatever Trump may pretend.

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By the letter of his new law yes but how can it be right that a 39 year old guy who was brought there illegally when he was 10, is married to a US citizen and has 2 US born kids gets deported. Morally that is wrong.

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The Russian collusion is a hoax, made up by the Democrats and rogue elements within the FBI, hence the 'Insurance Policy' they set up.

House Intel Committee, have today released a classified report to the rest of the House and from the feedback I am seeing from Republican Congressman on Twitter, it makes for disturbing reading suggesting serious abuses of power, before and during the U.S Election 2016 and are calling for it to be released to the American public regarding the corrupt behaviours of the Department of Justice and Comey led-FBI under the Obama Administration. Some Democrats have said they will vote against the report being released to the public, ah yes, I bet they bloody do, the corrupt set of pricks that that party are. :rolleyes:

The only collusion that is currently said to have existed and there is evidence of it, is the DNC and the Crooked Hillary Campaign allegedly paying for the Fake Russian Dossier and then involve rogue elements within the FBI, to get a FISA Warrant to illegally spy on their main opponent, Donald J. Trump. A scandal far far bigger than Watergate, dwarfing that massively.

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That is nothing to do with DACA. If he's 39, he was too old to meet the DACA age limit.

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Not saying its anything to do with Daca Mick. He has just been deported as an illegal. He had been trying to gain citizenship for a number of years and was granted extensions each year while being processed. This year was different and he was deported. He was taken there illegally by his parents as a 10 year old but is now 39, married to a US citizen with 2 kids, yet was still deported.

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What do you think it is about the Democrats that make them so universally bad and the Republicans that make them so trustworthy? You believe things on Twitter if they're about the Democrats but think anything against the Republicans are a hoax.

What evidence?

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They Don't.

The antichrist will Arrive before Jesus' second coming and many will be fooled thinking that he is Jesus. He will be a very charismatic person, and starting off as a politician, solve world problems and perform miracles. and build a false peace, but:

Daniel 8:25International Standard Version (ISV)
Through his skill he’ll cause deceit to prosper under his leadership. He’ll promote himself and will destroy many while they are secure.

But eventually he become a military leader, and unless you worship his image and accept his mark, your head will be chopped off! But if you accept the mark, you can never be saved.

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Sounds like some Republican voters’ view of Trump...

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From Trump’s speech at today’s March for Life anti-abortion rally in Washington DC. https://t.co/o0Gior16PZ

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Is that real or edited?

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looks like a 'bad lip reading' video. check out youtube for them.

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BREAKING: U.S Government has shut down due to the U.S Senate failing to agree to pass the budget resolution bill by Midnight deadline (5 am UK time).

During a shutdown, nearly 40% of the government workforce is placed on unpaid leave and told not to work. Many, but not all, are non-defense federal employees. Active duty military personnel are not put on leave.

There have been 12 historical government shutdowns in the US since 1981. The longest occurred under Bill Clinton, lasting 21 days from December 1995 to January 1996, when the then House speaker, Newt Gingrich, demanded sharp cuts to government programs such as Medicare, Medicaid and welfare.

The most recent shutdown occurred under Obama in 2013, pitting then president against the Republican-led House of Representatives. Republicans refused to support a spending bill that included funding for Obama’s healthcare law, that shutdown lasted 16 days, at it's peak affected 850,000 federal employees.

Today's shutdown, is largely due to the Democrats who were attempting to include a non-budget issue in to the negotiations, DACA and were not willing to budge on protections for 800,000 DREAMers which is due to expire in March.

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Here is a more nuanced viewpoint.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42757091

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From a moral perspective I think they are right to look for protection of the dreamers.

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From a moral perspective is it right to hold a country to ransom for a political end?

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A shutdown this weekend will be the first time ever when one party controls both houses.This is going to count against Trump. He's built his reputation on deal-making and failed miserably.

The only silver lining is that he can publish a sequel to his book and call it "The Art of No Deal". Extreme Brexiters will buy it just for its title. :D

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This happens all the time. If you want support from another party you make concessions. This is also true of the border wall funding.

I don't think anyone looks good out of this to be honest. It's a further sign that the sheer partisanship is likely to harm the states more than any outside influence will.

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Why for a political end? They are human beings that they are trying to protect.

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So, you'd prefer a North Korean style set-up where every politician votes as instructed?

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What about the 8.9 million children on chips? That funding stopped yesterday.

Where does NK come into it?

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Looks like the Republicans offered an extension

Republicans added a sweetener to the bill in the form of a six-year extension to a health insurance programme for children in lower-income families.
But Democrats want this programme extended permanently.

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That makes absolutely no sense. North Korea doesn’t do democracy or votes on anything of any kind, there is no parliamentary democracy in North Korea. It’s one order from above, pure Dictatorship from Kim Jong Un.

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There was actually no opposition to anything in the bill, it passed in the House but the Senate Democrats, took advantage of the fact that it needed 60 votes to pass. Democrats wanted DACA protections, which is a non budgetary issue.

If this was a majority ruling, Republicans could have passed this, they did have some Democrat support, about 3 or 4 Democrat Senators, including the new Alabama Dem, Doug Jones breaking ranks with Hardline Democrats who oppose everything.

It’s a serious Dysfuction of Government.

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It’s real - which is why I included the video clip.

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Let’s be honest here the Democrats are doing this because they see a political advantage and their base wants a deal on immigration. Personally I think Trump gets the wall and the Democrats get DACA and everyone is happy.

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There is funding for it until March, because it had previously been given a 6 month extension - this could have been passed as a stand alone bill at any time, just like DACA, which was stopped by an Executive Order in September.

Anyway, as Trump previously stated on Fox and Friends

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4 Republicans also voted against it, and John McCain didn’t vote.

Sens. Lindsey Graham (SC), Rand Paul (KY), Mike Lee (UT), and Jeff Flake (AZ).

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I know, I am well aware of what happened because I was watching the Senate floor and commentary.

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DACA needs to be legislated, in it's current form, it is unconstitutional and quite rightly, Trump and the Republicans are contesting it. This is not about any moral test, it's about upholding the Constitution, which all those right up to the President, have sworn to protect, people cannot pick and choose which laws to ignore. As I pointed out in an earlier post, President Obama did not have legislative authority to rescind or freeze laws, which is exactly what DACA does.

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Don't you have something better to do on a weekend Mick? I went to the football, we lost, and ref needs specs, but it was more entertaining than the Senate floor ;)

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You play football at 5 am in the morning ?

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Recap of how we got here:
1 Trump rescinds DACA, demands Congress act within 6 months
2 Senate forms bipartisan talks on DACA
3 Trump promises to sign whatever group comes up with
4 Group reaches bipartisan deal
5 Trump does 180, rejects deal, leaving DACA kids to be deported

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Trump spoke to “Fox & Friends” in 2013 and was asked who would be fired during a government shutdown, as shown in a clip posted by "Morning Joe."

“Well, if you say who gets fired it always has to be the top,” Trump said. “I mean, problems start from the top and they have to get solved from the top and the president’s the leader. And he’s got to get everybody in a room and he’s got to lead.”
He said that further down in history, “when they talk about the government shutdown, they’re going to be talking about the president of the United States, who the president was at that time.”

“They’re not going to be talking about who was the head of the House, the head the Senate, who’s running things in Washington,” Trump said.

“So I really think the pressure is on the president,” he added.

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Your recap is just not accurate and shows a lack of insight in your quick dash to have another pop at Trump.

Trump kicked DACA in September 2017, down the road to Congress for it to be replaced with a proper legislative bill that is debated on and discussed and voted on, then DACA is Constitutionally sound.

Last week, President Trump and 16 Senators met up for a bipartisan congressional meeting on immigration, in the cabinet room in the White House, in which the scope of the meeting, DACA was discussed. DACA was not the sole reason for the meeting.

So to cut a long story short...the actual reason we are here with this current Government shutdown is because the Democrats have tried to hijack the new Budget by including a non-Budgetary item as leverage to have all parties avoid a government shutdown, they damn well know that even with the fact that GOP have majority in all three branches of government, it still requires a super majority of 60 in the Senate to pass the new Budget, so they will not agree to pass new budget unless DACA is protected.

Trump and Republicans are not prepared to negotiate and refusing to be held hostage over illegal immigration or DACA. So there is now a Stalemate.

There has not been a DACA Bill debated on to sign or Veto by Trump, so it's kinda of impossible for him to have done a 180 on a non-existent DACA Bill.

6 months from September 2017, is March 2018. Congress has over a month to get DACA legislated.

There is the real risk here that Trump may not be able to extend the DACA program further, even if he wanted to sign a new Executive Order that granted further protections, because it has not yet been properly legislated on and as has been pointed out several times now, President Obama, far exceeded his Executive overreach when he implemented DACA and with the fact that there is currently 10 States and their attorneys generals, threatening a lawsuit against it because, as it stands, it is unconstitutional.

Meanwhile while there is a blame game going on, I actually agree with what Damien said earlier on that no-one comes out on top here, real people are not getting paid, especially those on the front line and in first response roles.

Democrat Minority leader, Nancy Pelosi was apparently out celebrating the shutdown tonight with other House Democrats, bearing in mind the shutdown is currently affecting 9 Million kids with CHIP Insurance, real funding is running out here.

So let's get this straight here, Democrats do not oppose anything that is in the Budget, they are, most of them refusing to vote on it because it does not include DACA protections, so in essence, they are putting Illegal Immigration first over their own American citizens. This will not go down well come Mid terms later this year.

I am pleased to see that the newly elected Democratic Senator, Doug Jones did not side with the hard line obstructionist Democrats, who oppose absolutely everything because they cannot get over their prize star, Hillary losing an election. :rolleyes:

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They're following the republican play book then if they are, wasn't it Mitch McConnell who said he was not only not going to work with Obama but obstruct him at every opportunity (or words to that effect).

I found this opinion piece titled reap what they sow quite interesting to

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-what-they-sow

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It's fair to say, they obstruct each other and have been doing so for years, it's a big problem with having a two-party system in government.

While the Media may dis Trump for having around a 40% Approval rating, Congress itself has only an 18% approval rating, which highlights how the legislative branch is dysfunctional, because where they are at now, in the middle of another government shutdown.

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What do you think the solution is if they won't play nicely, they don't want to go through this every few years, it makes them a laughing stock and causes unnecessary hardship when we all know they'll come to a deal in the end

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Bit by bit the jig-saw pieces are fitting together and more dots appear to be able to be joined up...as to just what I suspected of happening all along, during the U.S Election in 2016!!!

Was Lynch coordinating with Comey in the Clinton investigation?

So let me get this straight, there are Text messages disappearing, right up to the same day, Robert Mueller is brought in as special counsel, May 17th, 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Mueller

Special Counsel for the Department of Justice
Incumbent
Assumed office
May 17, 2017

What a hell of a coincidence.

http://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/...-investigation

Chairman of Homeland Security Committee in the U.S Senate, has sent the following letter of concern to Christopher Wray, FBI Director regarding his concerns...

https://www.scribd.com/document/3696...dium=affiliate

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Shutdown over, Enough Dems will back the CR.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3...o-end-shutdown I wonder if Trump and/or the House Republicans will accept this?

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They’ll lose that bill.

Still the Democrats probably lost their nerve, the minority leader was under pressure from Democrats defending their seats in Red states this November, and this at least gives them an out.

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Well, if they don't do it in three weeks, the Dems can say "we kept the Government going, and now the Republicans aren't keeping their promises".

The amusing thing is that the Republicans only need 51 votes in the Senate to pass a Budget Bill, but never put one together, continuing to rely on CRs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconc...tates_Congress) Somebody on FB explained it better than I could...

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I thought the 'no filibuster' rule could only be used once a year and McConnell blew it on the health care vote?

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Tomorrow mornings tweet will no doubt give us some idea.

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No such rule exists like that that I’m aware of. Majority leader can raise a point of order to the presiding officer that a simple majority is required, they can deny it but it is then appealed by the chair, then appealed and overturned by majority vote.

GOP actually used the no filibuster on Supreme Court Justice Nominee, Neil Gorsuch, when Democrats filibustered during his confirmation in the Senate, he was confirmed by simple majority. 52/48.

It’s interesting to note that the filibuster rule is not in the Constitution. It was a rule created in the Senate in 1806, but strangely wasn’t used until the late 1830s, it was strengthened more in the 1970s. So when there is talk of going ‘Nuclear’, which is precisely what President Trump suggested should happen if the Stalemate and government shutdown had continued, is in essence to go Constitutional, by means of winning a vote by simple majority, or i.e 51.

Personally, I think it’s a stupid rule, it’s unconstitutional and I’m surprised it’s been allowed to pass as a legal qualifier when it comes to passing or rejecting legislation.

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They did something on the health care vote to allow it to pass with a sample majority. I think it might be making it a special budgetary vote.

Never mind, found it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconc...ates_Congress)

So not the same thing I thought of it as but it does allow them to avoid a lot of this hassle so long as they make it a spending/budget thing and can only do so once a year.

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You have a space between congress and bracket.

EDIT It's actuall a bracket missing from the link.

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The 60/40 rule was designed to promote bi-partisanship, rather than just one party (be it Democrats or Republicans) riding roughshod over the other; if you need the other party votes, you have to negotiate.

When people say there should be a simple majority vote, they are only looking short-term; what happens when the other party gets in with a majority? (as is looking likely for the Dems in the 2018 mid-terms).

This is why Mitch McConnell is against it - he can see it might be a short-term gain to get Republican bills through for a year, but it could come back to bite the Republicans in the bum in November...

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Another brilliant Trump idea, slap a tariff on imported washing machines and solar panels ! It's going the make the US great again !
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42784380

It's certainly not going to go down well with anyone in the US needing a washing machine in the near future... Go Donald, hit the electorate in the pocket and spark off some revenge tariffs for US exports !

Wonder if Trump/ and or friends/family have shares in Whirlpool ? Up 2.5%....

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You do realise that the USA does actually make it's own washing machines? :dozey:

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Yes for which they can now increase the price :dozey:

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And increase employment.

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They'll need the money for the increased tariffs and subsequent prices from other countries ! A tariff war never ends well.

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Not if they buy American made goods.

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After all the hoo ha about Whirlpool driers catching fire I'd avoid them at all costs.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ires-in-london

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:notopic: ?

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42793236

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This is entirely speculation, but it seems logical that our official secrets act would have some dispensation to enable trangressions to be investigated, whether that dispensation involves ensuring the investigator(s) are rated to allow access to the correct levels of classified information. There are also provisions within our law that allow crimes involving classified data to be prosecuted and tried. Of course, they do require that any staff involved in trying the crime are cleared for the correct classification.

I would have thought that the Americans would also have a similar setup. Not necessarily the same laws, but they would have a way that crimes involving classified data can be investigated, prosecuted and tried. I would be suprised if Mueller has not ensured his team are already cleared to the correct level.

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Well, the tariff on Solar Panels is in keeping with Trump's apparent agenda. He does seem unusually lenient on Fossil fuels..

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Nothing to see here, move along please ladies and gentlemen! Oh, hang on, this bit is a bit awkward.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8174946.html

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No, you were right first time nothing to see with the Russian collusion hoax started by the Democrats (and corrupt FBI agents).

Republican lawmaker claims a whistleblower in the FBI has come forward with claims that there was a ‘secret society’ that met offsite, when Trump won the presidency, they met to discuss methods to undermine his presidency.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...trump-meetings

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No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlpool_Corporation

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Let me guess: President Trump & U S Election 2016 Investigation are, erm, American and, uuh, Whirlpool is an American Company that manufactures home appliances?

I see what you did there ;).

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I have said this before and this applies to all members. Team members are the only people who should be determining issues with the topic.

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Trump's visit to the UK is now scheduled to be towards the end of the year. Doesn't seem to be a state visit.

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Looks like the much-predicted "citizenship for wall funding" deal is getting closer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-42825431

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There was also talk that GOP May go Nuclear to avoid another government shutdown Feb 8th onwards.

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That's a good deal for the Democrats and Trump IMO. The DACA immigrants get citizenship and Trump gets border wall funding. That's unless there is something hidden in the detail somewhere.

In other news Trump ordered Mueller to be fired back before the summer but backed down after the White House legal team said they would resign before they did it. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/u...T.nav=top-news

Or a Fox News link: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...urce-says.html

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42829555#

Well I'll take it as the best we will get..

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"I would certainly apologise if you’d like me to do that"

Father to little boy "you shouldn’t have broken that".

Little boy "I’ll say sorry if you want me to".

Disingenuous verbiage.

Here’s a handy hint to the most powerful individual in the world - don’t re-post random shit you see on the internet; you have a multitude of Intelligence agencies which costs around $70 billion per year - they are more reliable than some rando on Twitter.

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Missing FBI texts found.

This should put the cat amongst the pidgeons.

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Depends if they find anything on them. At least they've been found, better finding out the truth one way or another.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...election-hacks

Turns out the Dutch Intelligence Service had themselves hacked the Russian hackers and provided evidence of their activcities to the FBI back in 2016:

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Yes found by the U.S Inspector General, I cannot wait to see his report, if and when it will be made public on the abuses that are said to have happened in the Department of Justice, under the Obama Administration.

These corrupt FBI agents never seemed to work, just text each other. Couldn’t have been very good agents, leaving a trail of their infectious investigative work.

Some texts released yesterday, saying Strzok wanted to go ‘Easy’ on the Investigation on Hillary Clinton, as she could be the president, thankfully that never happened. Then the left deploys it’s distraction technique by releasing old news about Trump wanting to fire Mueller. Trump today says it’s typical NYT Fake News.

There was a story floating about last year of a friend saying Trump wanted to fire Mueller but obviously he didn’t, he should and he does have the Authority to do so, but it would be a political disaster. The whole Mueller thing is a sham, allegedly manufactured by the Fake Russian Dossier, paid for by the Democrats and Crooked Hillary campaign.

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Yes because Trump denied it then it can't be true....

By the way Fox News also claims a source told them Trump had stated this to them: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...urce-says.html

Is that the 'left's distraction technique' too?

Alleged by Trump and some Republicans. Hell even Trump isn't directly suggesting it. Doesn't make it true. In fact the link above from Bloomberg suggests it was information passed by Dutch Intelligence that started the FBI investigation which in turn led to the Mueller investigation. Still it can't all be a sham since two people have already been charged and pled guilty....

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Or is Bloomberg fake news too?

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I believe the information coming from Republican lawmakers, that the Democrats and Hillary campaign were the real ones doing the colluding, those text messages are just the icing on the cake.

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BTW Since the texts have be found we now know about this secret society, worse than Watergate, that the FBI were up too: https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/956597413543927810

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I believe the information coming from Republican lawmakers, that the Democrats and Hillary campaign were the real ones doing the colluding, those text messages are just the icing on the cake.

And the crimes you are talking about that the two have Pledged guilty to are to crimes totally unrelated to any collusion, so go figure. :rolleyes:

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It's a matter of faith though isn't it? Because they haven't provided anything other than accusational tweets. That's not information, it's fan-fiction or at best speculation.

I wonder what it would actually take for you not to believe it because you don't believe multiple news organisations with seperate sources and at least one being Pro-Trump saying he did in fact try to fire Muller because Trump said he didn't. Yet you will believe vague Tweets from Republicans.

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So the ‘insurance policy’ text means nothing?

Text messages between a certain date go missing and the last date they start up again is the same day Robert Mueller is appointed Special Counsel.

Come off it Damien. Jeez. :rolleyes:

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Not collusion no but Mullers remit was wider than that. Here is the official task he was given:

It's been clear for some time now that Muller's been investigating illegal payments and obstruction of justice into the FBI's investigation into those payments rather than electoral interference. We know this much from Corney's own testimony after he was fired.

I don't think they will find any collusion. I said back at the time that it didn't make sense for either Russia or Trump to bother with colluding. I do believe Russia interfered against Clinton but they didn't need to be directed by Trump....

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I wouldn’t trust Comey, he is unreliable, just look at text messages saying AG, Loretta Lynch knew what Comey was going to announce but pretended otherwise and she told him not to call it an investigation, call it a matter, he got a queasy feeling, but said it wasn’t a hill worth dying on and went along with what she told him to say, but she was wrong to do that.

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Well the texts have been found so let's see what there is. We know of at least one 'shocking' revelation that on reveal of the messages where a joke.

And I have not said that these two agents didn't do anything. I have said they should be investigated. If that investigation then leads to other people being taken down so be it. However I haven't seen anything yet that escalates this story beyond the two people involved. Having a test message that talks of a 'insurance policy' means nothing in isolation. Maybe their 'insurance policy' was that the bung £100 on a Trump win to cash in? That was my insurance policy.

It's also possible for two things to be true: People in Trump's camp were up to no good and some people in the FBI were up to no good. Investigate possible crimes amongst the Democrats, Republicans and FBI if there is evidence to do so.

I didn't call the New York Times fake news when they broke the story about Clinton's e-mails. If there is a case then investigate it.

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His testimony wouldn't be enough. If Muller comes out and this entire case is 'Corney told me so' then yes this is a nothing story.

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I do research things and I dig deep. Sure there is political allegiances and I did say at start of U.S Election, I wanted Hillary to win, but not after a mate in the States said I needed to weigh things up on her and he was a Staunch Democrat. He did not end up voting in the end.

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The Democrats secret weapon against Trump perhaps?....

....The rising star of Democratic Congressman, Joseph Kennedy, Great Nephew of President John F. Kennedy. According to thehill, he has been selected to respond on behalf of the Democrats, to President Trump's State of the Union Address on Tuesday night.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...e-of-the-union

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Maybe he will try to do what JFK tried to do: Expose secret societies; that would come in handy right about now!


Didn't do JFK any favours though.


And yes, Hugh, I do know that is an unproven conspiracy theory.

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I thought it was the Aliens?

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Good to see Trump mention 'Sovereign' nations' in his Davos speech. That can't have gone down too well with the NWO Globalists.

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