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I get preserving old movies but I also understand some things may be too bad to show now.
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It's PC gone mad, we have ppl in this country that are so easily offended that it's scary!
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If the snowflakes cant hack it, they can just go watch the latest Big Brother, or whatever other nonsense they seem to think is good. |
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Such strange standards we have these days! |
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I am not saying things offend me but just that I get why some people would see things that way.
I watched a programme on ch5 last year called 'It was ok in the 70s' and showing old clips to the people that starred in them. Even they couldn't believe what they saw and were amazed they could get away with that sort of thing. Rascist and very sexist content. |
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As I had to sack a mod on my site a month ago over the use of a "outdated" word, this is a hot issue for me...:(
As jj20x was trying to explain, society moves on and Ofcom is bound by the rules of today not yesterday. I think with these old films (or shows) the way to go about them is not to ban them, but to put a clear warning up on the screen that the films/shows use language which is deemed unacceptable and in some cases, illegal, and so its up to the viewer whether they view them or not. And before someone says it, I'm not a snowflake. Like most people, I believe, I can be as racist, sexist etc as the next person, but what one thinks and then writes down on a internet site, are two different things. Think whatever you like, but be careful what you write.:nono: Or even, be careful as to what smilies you use now, as some can become "outdated" too...;) |
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The classic film dub is the dog in the Dam Busters.
In the oringinal it was called "N-Word" but TV dubbed it badly to Trigger. With the remake in the pipe line its a dammed if yo do dammed if you don't scenario. So the chose the other name used Nigsy. |
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That's true, but sometimes history should stay history.
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You can see the PC brigade going to RAF Skampton to dig up the dog's grave to again re-write history - or even exorcise hias ghost.
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They were called it and it needs to be exposed and remembered. ---------- Post added at 10:25 ---------- Previous post was at 10:17 ---------- Quote:
Gay people were called Queers, but we don't say "the Q word", disabled people were called Spastics, but we don't say "the S word", women were referred to as "Bitches", but we don't say "the B word" etc Racial insults shouldn't be put on a pedestal and treated as if they are somehow more offensive than what other groups have been exposed to. Secondly, when someone writes or says the N word, our brain works out what is meant and our neurological pathways lead to what was meant anyway! ---------- Post added at 10:35 ---------- Previous post was at 10:25 ---------- Quote:
Typing out racial insults to purposely upset a person or persons, incite racial hatred or committing a public order offence would be illegal, but I don't believe that a discussion like this would be found to be illegal. Even Ofcom found it necessary to state the words used when dealing with the complaints. So, it depends on what context your moderator used the word as to whether you were being oversensitive or not. I'm not sure which smilies you mean; how on Earth can a smilie be racist?? |
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It is in the swear filter on this site and has been added to ours. Quote:
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Didn't notice he was black until I wondered what you meant by it. Frankly, that's no more racially offensive that a white guy doing exactly the same thing. Could be sexist, though, because he's quite obviously male! |
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https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/...-monkey-hoodie His (black) mother said she didn't see anything wrong with it. It was commonplace to call children of all colours a 'cheeky monkey's when I was a child, perhaps that's now deemed racist?? It could be argued that those who take offence are the racist people as they are alikening black children to monkeys! ---------- Post added at 14:51 ---------- Previous post was at 14:44 ---------- Quote:
So, it seems that it's not only who says certain words, but where in the world they are said! I was taken aback when a group of black lads were calling each other Niggers in a bar, but when discreetly mentioning bit to the landlord he said that it wouldn't be ok for a white person to say it to them and that what they were actually saying was 'Nigga', I'm not sure what difference that makes though. To me either a word is acceptable or it isn't. Some gay people refer to themselves as 'Queer' and justify it by saying that they have reclaimed the word. |
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You said either a word is acceptable or it isn't, but that's a very simplistic view - you would never have been called the N word or Queer as an insult (or probably in any way) as you are neither, so who are you to tell someone who has had it used against them how they should use it - I know lots of Yorkshiremen who call each their Yorkshire friends "you tight barsteward", but if someone who they didn't know from London said it, they might take offence. As I said, context is all, and like life, not black and white - ymmv. |
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Or should I have been offended? Should it even have ruined my life? Perhaps I should get compensation..... That's how ridiculous we are all becoming. We need to all man up. Oops....:erm: |
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Racist football "fans" often make monkey noises, gestures and throw bananas onto the pitch to insult black players. Context is all. :erm:
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In the distant past, I have know noises to be made, but not at any match Ive been to in the last 20 or so years. I have never seen a bananna thrown onto a pitch. I do remember many years ago when inflatables were all the rage, one team had inflatable banana's. No one thought that was an issue, just fun with inflatable fruit. No doubt some muppet would decide to get "offended" by them these days. ** No offence to muppets intended :D |
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However, what is galling is those white people who claim to be offended on behalf of black people. They simply don’t understand the issue at all. These were the people who used to call others out for asking for ‘black coffee’. What were they thinking? That being black was something to be ashamed of? I think we all need to be a little more thick skinned. |
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2015 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...monkey-6801775 2017 https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...monkey-racist/ 2017 https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/footb...s-league-fans/ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...d-by-Uefa.html 2014 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27279997 2017 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...peaks-out.html 2017 http://m-api.allfootballapp.com/article/204368 |
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Interesting that you've used the N word to describe one insult, but Queer for another (not a criticism, just an observation). ---------- Post added at 21:30 ---------- Previous post was at 21:23 ---------- Quote:
These actions only serve to belittle the real issues and are nothing more than (normally white) people trying to collect brownie points by virtue signalling. I was once called racist for saying I had got myself into a "prickly situation"! ---------- Post added at 21:33 ---------- Previous post was at 21:30 ---------- Quote:
I think that some teams have had points deducted for the behaviour of their fans too. |
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Surprisingly, the self labelled 'Queen of political correctness' Yasmin Alibhai-Brown today said that an American high school were wrong and stupid in banning novels by the authors Harper Lee and Mark Twain on the grounds that they contained racist terminology which marginalised and humiliated some students.
She went on to say that the words used were prevalent at the time and that this is the reason why they are important and that novels like To Kill a Mocking Bird were essential reading as they showed today's students what it felt like to be called such names and that any discomfort felt by today's students should come secondary to this. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...of-N-word.html |
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I'm almost 64, I wish the compensation claim culture had been around when in my 20's, I'd have been rich enough to never work again.
Racism/homophobia have been around years . . and will remain for years. It gets lots more attention now because of the advances in media technology and (often) it is used to make the accuser look lilly white in a world of grey (can I write that? ) One of the worst things to help keep racism/homophobia alive and kicking is the constant exposure it gets, I think everyone knows it's a 'nono' by now, you don't need to shove it in our faces every 10 minutes. The more of it I see in the media, the more I lose interest in it. |
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Probably, but that doesnt change the point.
If you keep banging on about something people get fed up, and stop listening. |
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You can say something without going on, and on, and on, and on, about it. but if you keep banging on about it, people get fed up, and stop listening. Rinse and repeat. |
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Oh come on Hugh, you know what we mean.
Nobody is suggesting it should be ignored, but the more something is shouted from the rooftops the more it becomes just background 'noise' that has little impact. Years ago there were things in the news that made me sit up and take notice, now those same things have become so commonplace that it has lost the 'shock/horror' effect. If you hear something long enough it simply becomes background noise. oh, and if I was a sportsman earning (a minimum) 20K+ a week and people in the crowd called me names, I'd laugh and thank them for contributing to my wages ;) |
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You can x10 that in many cases in the EPL mate.... |
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People need to be less sensitive to the use of words. An insult or threat is unpleasant whether you use those words or not, but to use such words casually in a sentence without deliberately demeaning someone likely to hear it is not worth getting in a state about. |
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This story has now reached the mainstream media.
According to Channel 5, Ofcom believe that such words can be used as long as a warning is given beforehand and any programming containing them is shown after the watershed. A black woman and a white woman were asked for their views about this. The black woman stated that she believed that there was no need for such words to be used and that they should be removed. The white woman said that she believed that it was dangerous to rewrite history and that it was important that the way black people were treated be remembered for the benefit of younger people and future generations. |
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Erasing history for whatever reason, is very dangerous imo. |
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