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Excellent news, hope he has lots of soap on a rope :LOL:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41306738

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Sentence is NOT long enough.

Cyclist, have this feeling that they can use the roads, and pathways as they like. This will be the second death caused by an accident in the last six weeks.

And before cyclists start slagging me off. I ride a cycle each day - I wear head gear, high vis jackets and cycles. And ride only on the road. And have front and rear brakes.

Some cyclists are a menace

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I'd love to see a selfie of you wearing those cycles Arthur!

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But Arthur, his sentence also apparently includes furious and wanton buggery:
I'm concerned that our corrective institutions are wilder than Shawshank.

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Might be a pair of fetching dangly earings

Yes but he's rightly concerned that the furious and wanton buggery wont be going on for a long enough period of time, this short sharp shock buggery won't suffice in this case.

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You seem to be speaking from experience ;). But you're right, he'll be back on a bike in 3 months (albeit with a gel saddle).

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It's true, there's a lot of people walking with a limp because of me

You think they'd have banned old killer from cycling and crushed his girlie bike, they would have it it were a car he killed with rather than a push bike

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Isn't there a proverb "Never a giver or taker be" or something like that? :D

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If you neither give or take, there isnt much left to do :erm:

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Can't disagree with someone who knows all the ins and outs :erm:.

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Do you think he should be put in the chain gang, Arthur?

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Maybe he should be made to fit new brakes on postman bikes

At least he will know what brakes are after that :)

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Source

We definitely need something more up to date than a 150+ year old law intended for controlling badly driven horse drawn carriages.

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Good news. I also agree the law needs bringing up to date

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Yes, although I have to say that it still worked, and a prosecution was successfully brought about under this old law.

He may not have been riding a horse, but the principle was the same!

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Yes, not only is the law inadequate, officialdom is also partly culpable for dereliction of duty to the public by failing to make proper provision for cycling segregation between motorised vehicles/bikes/pedestrians.

Prevention will always work better than arse-backwards 'cure'. We'll all be cyclists soon anyway :D

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No. It's actually a quote from Hamlet.

“Neither a borrower nor a lender be. For loan oft loses both itself and friend.”
Act 1 Scene III Polonius to Laertes.

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Thanks Pip, I did know that but adapted the words for the sake of context - that context being the alleged homosexual activity in prisons. Oh well, I tried.

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I was merely pointing out that is not a proverb, but just advice. as it is true, it may as well be though.

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Hardly dereliction of duty! This is an old country with creaking infrastructure that was put in place in a different age. Have you considered the cost of realising that dream?

The best hope we can have is that new developments should be required to aspire to this ideal and we will get there over time.

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But haven't you said that cyclists don't have to use the cycle lanes when they are provided?;)

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I don't regard it a dream; I regard it a necessity. The dereliction of duty lies in not moving with the times to accommodate the millions who now cycle not least to improve fitness levels and confront the obesity epidemic and pollution. Have you considered the cost of not realising that 'dream'? This is not something we should aspire to; it is something we should make happen.

Our old infrastructure could do with some furious and wanton improvement.

And that is true. Paint on the roads does not constitute proper cycle lanes. The paint is ignored by motorists and often dangerous to cycle (gutters, accumulated material, pot holes, parked cars, poor maintenance etc).

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More cyclists on the roads will make no real difference to pollution, you are talking about very low figures here. It certainly won't pay for itself, or anywhere close.

It is a dream, a dream of a Kurskesque Utopia that will never happen. Cost is a big problem and given the current state of our infrastructure, let alone the economy, your 'solution' will not be realised.

If you want to pursue your dream against all the odds, you'd better start making a business case for it, which includes the small problem of where the money will come from.

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Sooner or later the law is going to catch up with our two wheeled miscreants:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41346237

It'll happen because they won't change their ways, will continue on in denial about the problems they cause, will continue taking liberties and will be responsible for an increasing number of serious accidents/fatalities on our roads. They'll whine on about dodgy car/van/lorry/bus/taxi drivers as usual whilst doing their very best to emulate the behaviour of the worst of those groups. Ultimately they'll be subject to the same laws and on the receiving end of the same punishments.

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My 'solution' has not even been discussed. It is a solution without the cost implications you suggest because you're thinkng of an adaptation of the existing road network. So am I, but in a different way.

My solution involves compromise but much less cost because the infrastructure already exists: create cycle networks from exsting B roads, ratruns and streets not sutable for heavy traffic. This will segregate road users and be safer for learner cyclists/children. Cycle networks can serve schools and comprise dedicated inner city routes.

All that's needed is the willpower and signage and perhaps an extension of the resident permits system. It won't be without problems but then that's what happens when huge messes have to be resolved.

I think you might find that 99.9% of cyclists already believe they are subject to, and observe, the same laws.
New law has, for example, hoplessly failed to impact upon mobile phone usage at the wheel. People who flout the law will flout the law; you'll still be stuck with millions of law-abiding irritants on the roads because motorists don't only object to cyclists who break the law, they object to all cyclists.

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Ban cars from B roads? So cars would no longer be used in the countryside areas! How would the homes in the countryside get their deliveries? Indeed, how would people living in the country get about at all? Like they did a few centuries ago, I dare say! Are you actually hinting at Year Zero? The whole concept is full of holes and would not stand up to the smallest amount of scrutiny.

And that 99.9%! I am frequently driving and observe cyclists jumping red lights and cycling recklessly. If it was 99.9%, such occurrences would be notable exceptions rather than the norm. 9% is more like it.

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You seem unwilling to countenance alternatives. The compromise is perhaps too great for you but change is inevitable and it is better to plan it than for it to occur randomly imho. Creating networks is not banning cars; it is more proactive network management of the forthcoming gridlock/obesity/pollution crises.

As for the percentage I agree it is not factual but was meant as a representative comment; in the same spirit, I'd say a very high percentage of motorists are ill-equipped to drive.

There are now millions of cyclists and I believe more would give it a go if cycling was safer. That needs something more radical than splashing paint around to bolt on cycle lanes as an afterthought.

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What a terrific idea, can't think why we shouldn't do that, maybe TFL will... :rolleyes:

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To clarify: creating networks from some B roads is not the same as banning cars from all B roads.

I suppose when we don't want to see something, we don't try. Sigh :sleep:.

Besides:
:D Look out, it may happen.

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9% is being generous from what I see. Go to any busy junction with a large numbers of cyclists and see how many break the rules. It's not 1 in 10 or anything like that - riding on pavements, going through red lights, weaving dangerously in and out of traffic etc. etc. etc. We nearly got knocked over by a moron on his bike last weekend, he came up behind us on the pavement, gave no warning of his presence and it was only by chance that he didn't hit us. Our local area is plagued by youths on bikes who deliberately hold up the traffic, ride around on one wheel on and off the pavement, zigzag all over the road, try to catch lifts on passing busses and lots more. The fact is there's a large proportion of cyclists who don't obey the rules because their pathetic mindset is that they don't have to. They even like to boast about how they don't need insurance, can't be traced blah blah blah. The increasing amount of dashcam footage is proving it and that's what's going to force change upon these idiots. Sensible riders who don't take liberties and do have insurance for example have nothing to fear but the serial offenders most certainly will as a certain young idiot recently discovered. Punishment is the only way to educate some people.

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:D You old curmudgeon :D In addition to not having insurance, nor an MOT, nor brakes, nor road tax, cyclists routinely terrify old people, rape young women, spit on the pavement and are planning to detonate a nuclear device in the Pacific.

The barstewards.

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Cyclists kill or maim two pedestrians every week, according to statistics

Over the past seven years there have been 25 pedestrians killed in accidents with bikes and another 700 seriously injured – meaning roughly two people every week are being killed or badly hurt in crashes with bikes.

The Department of Transport data, which does not state who is at fault in the accidents, shows three pedestrians were killed in crashes with bikes last year and another 112 were seriously injured.


http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/863...ans-every-week

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Another example of a cyclist that yells people he crashes into

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle...ned_buffer_f_m

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And another:

Source

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Something just has to be done. I suggest cyclists have the same rules applied to them as those of mobility scooter drivers (who cause fatalities and accidents all the time).

So, just like mobility scooters which are always on the pavement causing mayhem, cyclists should have no licence, no MOT, no 'road tax', no registration plate and no insurance.

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+1.

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Thank you so much for bringing this shocking revelation the forum's attention!! A quick google brought this page up :
http://www.factoryoutletscooters.co....lity-scooters/

It's clear that something must be done with these reckless individuals!!

First cement lorries, now mobility scooters I can't wait to see what examples you bring up next.

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I see the way forward - we ban all pedestrians and car/van/lorry/milk float/mobility scooter drivers from the streets so that cyclists can roam free and only kill and injure themselves. I dare say that some of them will still find a way to blame other people though... :spin:

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It's the only sensible option.

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Yes, well cyclists are never to blame as we all know. Four year olds walking in pedestrian zones really ought to know better as should their parents. His head was probably full of all sorts of childish theme park nonsense and he wasn't paying full attention to road safety when that innocent cyclist hit him. Poor innocent young man on the bike, I dare say he's been traumatised by this and won't ever be able to cycle in a pedestrian zone again without feeling threatened by all those people walking around causing a hazard... :rolleyes:

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No, let me guess - Cannon and Ball? No, Eric and Ernie? No, aah, I know for sure, Dick and Dom :D

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No need to guess with you Billy no Mates

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Congratulations to the fat, Chris Froome wannabe cycling across the new Mersey Gateway bridge this morning. Apart from the fact that it's a motorway regulation road all the way across, all of the approach roads are too. It's this element of the lycra fraternity and the fixie hipsters who need a good kicking and locking up.

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He's a cyclist, Laws of the road don't apply to him. ;)

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Yep, they're always the victims aren't they. Must be great to be so perfect... :rolleyes:

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Oh do calm down Uncle Peter, you probably couldn't kick your way out of a wet Liverpool Echo :rolleyes:

Now, as far as I can tell one of the main objectives of the project was to encourage the increased use of cycling and walking - did this not come about? If not, why not as the project is government (taxpayer) funded and cyclists/pedestrians pay taxes you know.

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[QUOTE=Kursk;35920209]Oh do calm down Uncle Peter, you probably couldn't kick your way out of a wet Liverpool Echo :rolleyes:

Now, as far as I can tell one of the main objectives of the project was to encourage the increased use of cycling and walking - did this not come about? If not, why not as the project is government (taxpayer) funded and cyclists/pedestrians pay taxes you know.[/QUOTE]

yes them lycra fairy suits don't come cheap

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The old bridge is closed for refurbishment but still open for cycle and foot traffic. While it’s now a relatively safe and traffic free route over the river the roads it connects to, like most of the roads in this country are not suitable enough for cars and cycles to co-exist safely.

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A cost easily saved by wearing the wife's tights instead.
So, despite it being a stated 'main objective' to encourage increased cycling and walking, there is no provision to achieve this within the constructed new bridge?

Don't you think that it might have been an idea to incorporate a cycle/walk way so that everyone who has contributed toward the cost of the project could enjoy the same benefits as motorists?

I hope local cyclists regularly disrupt traffic flow by way of protest :p:.

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sounds like a Bull Bar moment

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Bull bar or just bull? :D

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you have to keep them in their place , the very bottom of the food chain. Rodents must be kept in check .

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Well cyclists regularly disrupt traffic flow by jumping red lights and disrupting pedestrians by riding on the footpath. I see it every single day in Manchester city center. As we now have cameras in the vans i might start showing video's to back up my claim :)

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camera in your van :shocked: that must make running them off the road difficult ;)

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Yes, this is the sort of evidence which is going to lead to more idiot cyclists being convicted and being held accountable for their own stupidity. They've been getting away with it for too long but more of them will be involved in accidents in which they're hurt and increasingly independent dashcam footage is going to prove who was really at fault. It's slowly going to dawn on these people that the days when they could get away with virtually anything are fast coming to an end but of course there'll always be those who'll have to learn the hard way and are going to wind up on the wrong end of both criminal and civil actions.

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:)

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My oh my you girls are having fun :D.

Doesn't change the fact that a major project with a stated main objective of encouraging cycling, which as far as I can tell, does nothing of the sort. But then, that's the uncomfortable fact you're trying to drown out of the discussion.

You'll all be in electric cars soon or on bikes. Or on electric bikes.

This will mean the lardy lazy amongst you will be housebound which is the safest place for you.

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No there isn't because there are no foot or cycle routes on the approaches to the new bridge. There are "no cycles/pedestrian" signs on all of the expressways feeding the bridge and signs on the bridge itself.

The old (Silver Jubilee) bridge is being refurbished to accommodate local road traffic, dedicated cycle path and pedestrian footpath. While this is now closed to vehicles during the refurbishment it is still open to pedestrians and cycles.

When it re-opens fully the bridge will be tolled for motor vehicles and free for pedestrians and bicycles.

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Ok thanks. It seems a little bit disingenuous to me to cite the encouragement of cycling as a main objective of the Mersey Gateway when really it means cyclists and pedestrians can use the Silver Jubilee bridge only.

All road configurations can be changed though; before long the new bridge will be a cycle super highway :).

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http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news...emony-13765625

Things are getting desperate when cyclists need the church to give them protection.

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Amen.

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It makes sense because the new bridge primarily services traffic travelling from the M56 heading towards Liverpool and environs. It's a fast link via expressway (60MPH up to national speed limit) avoiding the old bridge which is knackered. There's no route via that bridge that wouldn't be served better by heading over the SJB.

The local route over the Silver Jubilee Bridge allows people from the South end of Widnes for example to cycle or walk across to Runcorn station in order to pick up the West Coast Mainline.

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So why was that bloke cycling over the new bridge last Saturday? Perhaps, as a contributor to the cost he feels all users could have been accommodated. I don't know the area.

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Because he is an idiot!

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excellent analysis precise and straight to the point :tu:

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:tu:

For anyone that has seen the new bridge or it's connecting roads they will understand why he's an idiot

http://www.merseygateway.co.uk/
http://www.merseygateway.co.uk/down-...ateway-bridge/

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Correct. To be more precise: An attention seeking idiot with a GoPro trying to be "cool" just like those who make their bikes unsafe by removing some of the brakes.... And just like the fools who were caught trying to cycle across before it opened when it was still a building site.

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Yup, idiots just like those who ignore read lights, pedestrian crossings, other vehicles etc. etc. etc. Morons.

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I knew I had to keep it simples so Kursk would understand.:D:D:D

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Thank you Hugh. I think I've been the model of restraint :angel:. Grateful thanks to papa smurf for being my covert rabble-rouser ;)

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Anyone see the problem with this ?

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What you mean this guy ought to be using the cycle path which has been provided? Why though, when he can make a point of his right to choose and in so doing be far more likely come into direct contact with all those pesky car drivers who spend their days trying to mow down perfectly sensible cyclists who're doing nothing whatsoever wrong? :spin:

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Yep you got it, a perfectly good cycle path and he decides to ride on the road which by the way is a heavily used road by both cars and trucks. :dunce:

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Yes but then if/when he has an accident he can blame the drivers you see - it's always their fault after all...

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:tu:

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No? :dozey:

Should the cyclist be using the greasy surface caused by falling leaves at this time of the year? But, regardless, use of cycle lanes is not compulsory; how would you do a right turn or negotiate a roundabout?

You seem to have limited road craft, should you be driving?

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So whats the point of a cycle way if the cyclists cannot be bothered to use it. BTW it was a trick question i made the post because i knew you would be the only person who would post NO and then come out with bull excreta:LOL:

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I'm not a fan of the uber keen cyclists in their ridiculous lycra; they look silly and deserve to be ridiculed, particularly the OAPs ! They also need to made to obey the highway code and not look down their noses at any more leisurely cyclists out with their kids who aren't part of 'lycra club'.

However, how many people have cyclists killed, and how many have cars killed ? There are more deadly individuals on the roads out there (they mostly seem to be middle aged men driving Audi's/BMWs for some reason....)

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not to worry those cars won't be available once we are over the cliff edge ;)

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Well that will be one Brexit benefit ;)

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Cycle ways are 'maintained' to varying standards and their use is therefore also variable. Leaves are known to be a hazard, as is gutter detritus, drains, hedges, potholes and dilapidated surfaces. Not to mention parked cars. An experienced and observant road user would know all this.

I had to risk answering your 'trick' question because you seem genuinely to not know the highway code and that could be dangerous for other road users unless it was made clear for you :dunce:.

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one word springs to mind cyclists ;)

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Keep up the good work papa; they're falling for it :D.

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It's about time it became law to use these facilities if they're there, keep the roads clear for real vehicles were possible imo

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There's no need to be quite so transparently provocative, I'm happy to join in the fun anyway :D.

Now, might I suggest that in your new law it is specified too that pedestrians only use the facilities provided for them i.e. pavements (no jaywalking allowed) and that vehicles must not park on or enter cycle lanes and that maintaining cycle lanes is properly funded and that all road and bridge schemes incorprate facilities for cycling and walking?

You're mental aren't you? ;)

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The roads aren't maintained properly so why should cycle lanes be getting any special treatment and I think they should do more about jaywalking, I'm not a fan of that either.

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Feel better now?:)

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I saw a combined phone zombie and footpath cyclist just hurtle across a road junction. If a car had been coming to that junction he would be dead or very seriously injured as the driver would have had absolutely no chance of stopping as the malefactor was screened by a wall until the last moment.

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Now the church gets involved.

The backllash against idiot cyclists is gaining momentum.

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even god hates them ;)

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If you follow our resident cyclist spokesperson

They dont use them anyway so whats the point of building them

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We have loads of cycle lanes around here and hardly see anyone using them. They'd far rather conduct their mini-Tour de France like activities. holding up the traffic, ignoring road signs, traffic lights etc. I think it makes them feel important.

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I'm sensing we might have problems setting up a Cable Forum cycling club !

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l doubt it will get off the ground Mr K as there are too many chiefs and not enough Indians.;):D

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You could try an Anti-Cycling club, I'm sure that would be popular. ;)

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put my name down i'm in

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And me :LOL:

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Me too!

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Put my name down as well