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Certainly.

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Are you sure Mick ? He's a bit of a lefty on the quiet ;)
I'd vote for Den too and I'd hate to vote the same way :D

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You are agreeing with Mick??!!!!

That's a first!

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Now you must get something right sooner rather then later Mr K as l am not a rabid loony left winger as such that you and some others wildly imagine but slightly centre left on certain policies and slightly centre right on other policies.:)

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Nicely balanced Den.

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See you've got the politician lingo too Den, perfect for the part !

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Is that another vote for Den?

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Good grief l am going to faint in a minute if l get more then one vote.;):D

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Do you think we should start a poll??

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Well that's entirely up to you.;)

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But how wuld wave to word it?

You'd be up against Theresa May, Corbyn etc so it would be a foregone conclusion We Want YOU Den!!

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This was a interesting survey this morning about British attitudes in 2017

http://www.bsa.natcen.ac.uk/latest-r...s/context.aspx

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40408576#

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Some really spicy findings in here Den :)

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you missed this out in your haste to undermine the elderly ......




The survey also found the public were becoming more sceptical of the EU.

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He missed this as well.

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He's got my vote too.

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How am I undermining the elderly! :confused:

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Has anyone notice a trend here.

MPs get 11% pay rise, and are bound to get another one soon, for sitting on there backsides

The Queen gets a very big pay rise.

And yet, the public sector workers ie Police, Nurses, Drs, Fire Service and Ambulance service are stuck on 1%. Where is the fairness there.

This Tory crap makes me vomit.

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has it got that bad you don't even realise your doing it

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if your not happy with your pay get another job that pays better

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Papa, l don't find that comment funny.

I work on frontline policing. I got a 1% pay rise last year, and my rent went up. So bang went my pay rise.

My love my job immensely, and would not do anything else. I should have retired in December, but simply cannot afford to retire on the pension that l get.

I find it really distasteful that some members think that Public Service workers don't deserve more money.

I saw my colleagues come back from London fire, and they were totally knackered. I saw fire crews in the same phase. Every Emergency Service deserves more

I believe that the way the Conservatives are treating the public sector workers appalling.

Its true what was said tonight in Parliament. If TM and her sick government can give the DUP millions to keep her backside in No 10 then she can give the Public Sector an extra bit of money.

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Well said Arthur :tu:

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Rumours that the public sector pay cap could be removed.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40423052

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yes, they've since backtracked on that, something about a vote they needed to win...

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...g-street-hints

bleeding politicians eh ?? :rolleyes:

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spot on tweet here

Andy Burnham‏ @AndyBurnhamGM 2h
2 hours ago

So, a special deal is done for public services in NI. In return, their MPs block help for public servants in England. How can that be right?

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I find it distasteful that you think only "public service workers" deserve more money. :dozey:

Everyone thinks they desrve more, and should get more. It simply doesnt work like that.

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my pay was always performance related ie don't meet targets don't get pay rise jf you exede targets it's pay rise and bonus ,thats how the world works now there is no free lunch anymore .

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that's not how it works in the public sector Smurf. Even if you exceed targets you've still been getting less than inflation over the last 7 years.

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the pay pot at VM is always %2 some might get %1 some might get %3 some 0% depending on performance ,i have never herd of the NHS / police etc exceeding targets

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I have heard of them exceeding targets plenty of times and tbh I don't like it, leads to waiting lists and crime figures being fiddled and the encouragement of crimes not being reported.

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The tories applauded it when it squeaked through...they'll be relieved to have saved some money for the next DUP backhander. What a shower they are !

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I do not think they were applauding it, in the sense they did not want to remove the pay cap, but it was their first vote and they needed to win the vote no matter what amendment was put forward , not winning it, would have shown an ineffective government, at it's first hurdle.

But this accusation of money grabs here and there. Every party pisses in the same pot.

I remember when Labour, removed the 10p Tax band. The low paid earners back then felt that pinch, very muchly. What a shower they were (and still are!)....

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They can wrap it up whatever way they want but they are totally ineffective now and were straight after the General Election results and no amount of moving the chairs around on board the sinking ship will convince the country any different.

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by" the country " i presume you mean yourself i personally am happy with them as are many millions of voters .

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You are entitled to your thoughts and opinions as are l and many others.;)

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I'm happy that the Marxist loony's are kept away from reckless spending on tic and the resulting financial misery that future generations would have been lumbered with. That's well worth lobbing NI a £billion or so.

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Why all this bleating about the public sector?

There is very little difference between public sector and private sector.

There are equally, probably alot more, lower paid workers in the private sector that do just as important jobs.

Wages in both sectors have failed to increase over the past years. Working at NTL/VM I remember after the Dot.Com crash in 2000 we didn't get a pay rise for something like 5 years - 0%. Not 1%. Even now as The Smuf point out 2% is the median and has been for over a decade meaning many only get 1% or less.

Yes bankers, CEO's etc get big money.

But there is big money in the public sector

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...stigation.html

Difference is, that is tax payers money. You want to complain, complain about that.

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The 1% quoted is in fact a ceiling not an automatic pay rise. Relatively few people even get the 1%. In the area of the public sector I work, the rewards in the private sector are significantly better if you're lucky enough to get in.
I'm sure you're correct about some at the top of the food chain in the public sector raking it in, tho' I doubt your link will provide any rational insight to the issue.

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Sorry Den but that's not right, they will be ineffective if they cannot get bills passed in to law, if the opposition puts an amendment forward or the government wants to get a bill passed, they are ineffective if they consistently get voted down, or a bill fails to get passed.

They have the numbers, however small they are to be effective, even it means just a majority of 1, it's not ideal, but it's effective because it is still a pass, if its a bill or a vote down, if it's an amendment.

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Most of the bills they have are Brexit bills so l can't see much problem there with those going through as the vast majority of Conservative and labour MP's will generally support them.

Therever with the other bills and amendments they will have to adapt and negotiate to the new circumstances of parliament which they are now in given the maths we now have as whether it was the Conservative or Labour party were the governing party the sentiment still remains the same as where we are now and l think you know why we are now in this position as do most people...

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They could have voted for the amendment without bringing down the bill. The amendment would simply be part of the bill they'll vote on today and I doubt the amendment would have stopped the Queen's Speech being voted for.

It was a very effective bit of politics from the opposition though, the Tories lose either way.

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If the positions were reversed l am pretty sure they would do the same.

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I don't actually understand why the Tories judged to be politically more tolerable to vote it down than accept the amendment. I assume there was a good reason why the amendment passing was bad for them that I am missing

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Queen speech survives Government votes.

Ayes: 323 Noes: 309 Majority: 14

The Ayes have it, the ayes have it!

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Because they will never accept anything that Corbyn suggests. They will do it in their own time table

I predict the 1% cap will be removed within the next 18months.

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Plenty of people deserve more than they're getting outside the public sector, in fact many more of them given the numbers employed in each sector. Public sector pensions may not be as good as they were but many private sector workers have no pension at all.

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Yeah but the government has less direct control over the private sector. I don't see it as a race to the bottom whereby the public sector should be compared against the bottom of the private sector.

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Yeah but it seems worse to me to be seen to have voted it down (and the unwise relief they showed) than being seen to accept a Labour amendment.

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Blame the corbynistas Damien if the tories had accepted it they would have been straight onto social media saying it showed corbyn should be running things UK politics has rarely been in such a sorry state.

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Ah the old 'race to the bottom' argument. Tell that to those who are at the bottom most of whom are in the private sector.

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I believe that everyone deserves more money, no matter what job they have.

The biggest problems we have is the employer.
You have the small employer, who has to scrape by. Who employs say 5 workers. They pay there staff wages, plus bonus.

I used to work a company like that. I done 'price work' the more work you done, the more you got. But it nearly ruined my marriage. Did't see my kids grow up as l was always working. It nearly killed me.

A very good mate of mine said. You work to live, not live to work. How right he was.

I have worked for a company that paid me £19.000 per year. That was the same pay l left on four years later He didn't pay bonus, each xmas l got a £10.00 voucher for a meal at a local restaurant.

Employers now, think of one thing, what profit they can make. And know that they can hire employees on the cheap. Big companies don't care of the worker at ground level.

I met a mate of mine yesterday, and he was road sweeping for an agency. He told me that the local council pay the agency £15.00 per hour for his services. He gets £8.50. Whose making the profit here.

If you go to the job centre. 90% of the time - its an agency, that you go to. And wage is dismal.

Whose making the money.

Its about time Labour, and the Conservatives thought about the 'worker' at the end of the day. As if it wasn't through them. Most of there work wouldn't get done

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i worked for an agency for a few weeks i would never do it again i agree about what they pay its terrible but as for every one deserves more money what are the economics behind this gesture .

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Is that because Theresa May won't be in charge by then? (My gut feeling is she will be PM, in charge being a different question.)

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But that isn't an argument against public sector pay rises, it's an argument for better pay at the bottom of the private sector. The wage stagnation was part of the reason the Tories suffered at the election but it's harder for government to directly address.

I am all for addressing that issue as well but it isn't going to solved by restricting the pay of nurses, teachers and other public sector workers. They've had the freeze since 2012, the least they could expect is to be kept up with inflation.

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I think it's amusing how popular Corbyn was at Glastonbury. and even more amusing listening to Mr O have a strop because of how popular he is :)

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He is far from popular. If he was popular, he would have won the election. Had anyone else other than him be Labour leader, then we would be looking at a Labour government. :dozey:

But we're in what, 2nd week of Parliament, yet it's business as usual in Labour, resignations, sackings etc :rolleyes:

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Whichever party one supports there were clear messages from the general election result and one either heeds those messages or faces inevitable electoral defeat and the Conservatives if they are to survive for the full life of parliament would be wise to listen to those messages because if they just close their eyes and keep going on the same path then they will be lucky if they last 2 years let alone the full term IMO

Yes Corbyn is a poor Labour leader but compared to Theresa May the perception of him and some of the messages we saw at the last general election and the vote by the public saw a increased vote for him so it would be folly to assume that just because its Corbyn he won't get to 10 Downing Street as it was folly by the Conservatives and the Conservative media to assume and propagate that clear daily message during the general election campaign which clearly as we all know backfired totally and was no doubt in many peoples minds the worst Conservative election campaign in history and many of the Conservative media were made to look stupid as their personal characterisation assault on him like the Conservative party backfired dismally.

Not being a very wise man myself one listens and learns and if one does not take that those lessons on board then the end result is inevitable...

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he's a good turn but he's on too long

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Corbyn's 'surge' reminds me of Scottish Independence in a way in that people have projected their own politics and hopes onto him so that he embodies it all, all things to all people, rather than what he actually believes and would do. You have pro-European liberals viewing him as a British Macron which is pretty far from his actually politics, Cameron embodies that more than Corbyn does.

Corbyn's view of trade is pretty protectionist rather than open. He is closer to UKIP on that score. He has very little to say by electoral reform. He has very little to say about the importance of privacy in a digital age.

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Fury as students ‘openly boast of voting TWICE’ for Corbyn’s Labour - rules review called

Ms Leadsom was responding to a concern raised by Wellingborough Tory MP Peter Bone who said that boasts by Leftwing students of voting where they went to university and in their home constituencies had been posted online.

He said: “It has been brought to my attention that people can be registered to vote in a general election in two places.I am registered in London and in my constituency.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...vote-electoral

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This is how much Corbyn's cronies care about democracy:

https://order-order.com/2017/06/30/m...ncer-survivor/

Nobody should be under any illusion about who these people are, what they represent and the means they will resort to in order to obtain power. Some folks really need to wake up and see what's happening to Labour right under their noses.

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Sounds as though cheeky Peter Bonehead might have voted twice himself !

Don't know why it's a surprise that students are registered in 2 places, it's always been the case as it might/might not be term time or not when the election is called. The chances of widespread fraud are small, it's unlikely a student would risk criminal proceeding and mucking up their whole life for poxy politicians. This is more likely to be sour grapes that the young have had the cheek to vote at all, and that they haven't voted Tory.

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or it's election fraud ,i can understand why you would want to just sweep it under the rug but this must be investigated ,what studdy have you based your comments on and can you link to it .

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well if anyone has voted twice it should be investigated. Peter hasn't got any evidence, just right wing innuendo , there will be evidence if this has happened. There's are masses of potential for fraud, postal voting, not needing any id at the polling station etc. Just concentrating in students would seem to be political, because they've voted the wrong way for Boneheads liking. More young people have voted, that's good, not fraud.

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they have apparently been bragging on line , that's an admission of guilt ,you seem to be disrespecting mr bone for seeking out the truth .is that the labour way disrespect and cover up ?

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Absolute nonsense. Voting twice in a General Election, is fraud regardless of voting intentions, you say this is not wide spread, you have no idea but even if it is just 10 or 10,000 additional votes, it's enough in some constituencies to change the result given how many had very slim majorities. It is cheating and disrespecting to democracy, but given how you have no respect for it, it's not surprising you would just turn a blind eye to it because the result did not go your way. :rolleyes:

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that isn't evidence, it's hearsay and might just be social media bragging. The voting records will be rock solid evidence, so it's easily checked.

If anybody has voted twice how do we know they haven't voted Tory ?

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There were close results either way Mick, and fraud might have occurred either way, but you're so one eyed you hadn't thought of that. If there's fraud, investigate and prove it - it should be straightforward in the case of voting twice. A turnout of 101% would raise my suspicions (;)), but don't think that's happened.

I'm all for more security on voting, as long as it doesn't put obstacles in the way of genuine voting. But apply it to all voting, in the polling station, postal votes - not just target one age group that might not vote for you. They'll be changing the electoral boundaries to suit themselves next.....

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it won't matter when they are convicted of election fraud -it's not who they voted for but that they voted twice .

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See Peter Bonehead is also complaining about MP's not wearing ties. I wonder if he has anything genuine to campaign on, like his local NHS services . He has my award for Upperclass Twit of the Year.

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as the incumbent award owner will you be presenting the award ?;)

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Now now, play nice people :nono:

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No worries I get on with Smurf, disagree on most things , but at least he has a sense of humour. ;)

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Acutally found Boneheads views on the NHS: -
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...t-1773092.html

mmmm.....

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it's all in fun ;)

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In a 2007 paper, Peter Bone, the MP for Wellingborough, added that "we have gone from having one of the best health services in the Western world to arguably the worst", which had "centralised and Stalinist management"


well that should please jezza

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As usual...

Hypocrisy is what we've come to expect from the rose tinted brigade.

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People voting twice in an election is a problem and illegal. The police should investigate where there is reason to do so. However in lieu of much evidence that this was widespread if it happened at all we don't need to push the panic buttons yet.

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Well not being a great fan of him personally but if things continue in the same vein then he is heading for power as Theresa Mays popularity slumps quicker then conkers falling from a tree in early October.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ment-101367435

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...egatively-poll

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and pigs will fly

rousing up the rabble rent a mob onto the streets is about all Corbyn is capable of,and waving bits of cardboard around and promising what he can't deliver is only fooling the fools any one with any common sense can see through his uncosted plans and nonsensical promises .

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Perhaps you need to read this as it might enlighten you.:)

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/06/...e-tories-for/#

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Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘million’ fans protest as deluded Diane Abbott declares he will be PM

IT was not quite a million and it did not bring down the Government. But tens of thousands of hard-core Corbynistas heeded their masters’ calls and took to the streets of London yesterday in a mass protest against the Conservatives.

this kind of student politics will get him nowhere ,protesting every week and bitching about the government after he lost the general election is just pathetic

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...h-Diane-Abbott

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I thought it was an already established fact that it was the tories that didn't bother to cost their budget, they didn't think enough of the electorate to waste their time on minor details like that and those fools may well succeed in getting tuition fees scrapped which would be good for our democracy, the young people will see democracy in action and hopefully vote more in the future for whatever party plus it's good to see a politician offering hope instead of the politics of fear that have prevailed for to long imo

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Students Tear Apart Labour’s Plan To Axe Tuition Fees In A HuffPost UK-Edelman Focus Group.
The policy did not go down well

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0fe039b347e10


Labour’s flagship pledge to scrap tuition fees is little more than an undeliverable “ploy” to get support at the ballot box, according to students taking part in a HuffPost UK/Edelman focus group.

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And it worked, so much so the tories are "looking at it" apparently

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Nice to see a balanced view for once in the media.

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Indeed it is daveeb but alas for some a balanced view is a anathema...

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Oh look, a protester pissing off the chief protester on his soap box!

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Who'd have thought Corbyn's cronies would just make up numbers to get votes eh? :rolleyes:

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More to the point in the video I just linked to above, is from a speech today, where clearly a woman appears in some 'distress', but never mind, Jeremy wants to finish his speech first. :soapbox: :blah: :rolleyes:

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... and he's at it again. Corbyn making up numbers to suit his 'us v. them' rhetoric re. the number of working class students going to university.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40547733

Even Labour's shadow education secretary disputes his numbers but we all know that a good number of Corbyn supporters believe what they want to believe.

It doesn't look good does it. Either Corbyn doesn't know what he's talking about or he's lying. How could anyone vote for this guy? :spin:

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Can you imagine the fuss and insults Corbyn and the media would have levelled at PM if it had happened to her? Double standards of the highest order as usual...

Corbyn may look like a cuddly old codger but he's far from it. His beliefs and tactics have always been the same.

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As this us a discussion about post election I fail to see the point of posting that link which talks about people's possible voting intentions in Junes election. :dozey:

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There's that to it. ;)


So anyway we all know it's Labour's intention to write to £100bn worth of student debts, solve the housing crisis, renationalise rail (and other public services), pay the public sector more, increase benefits, save the NHS blah blah blah but where's the money coming from? :rolleyes:

As usual we have a whole load of pie in the sky from the party which is ever so good at borrowing and spending/wasting money but rubbish at creating the wealth which pays for it. As for their pious, celebrity supporters - you know, the ones who talk the talk but live in their mansions/gated communities/foreign properties etc. whilst doing whatever they can to avoid tax - watch them leave in droves if Corbyn ever got elected and tried to carry through the tax changes which would be required to even start the process he's suggesting.

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Theresa May's majority reduces by one as one of her MPs is suspended over the use of racist language.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...l-nr-woodpile/

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I bit of a dumb remark, be sheesh, talk about over reaction by everyone, you would think she had killed someone.

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My Jamacan friend will be overwhelmed with this as I call him Sunshine and he calls me Honkey.

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The reputational damage is huge, it makes the Conservative Party appear out of touch with most of the country. Regardless of the moral aspects, this would have compelled them to act.
The modern day metaphor to use would be "elephant in the room." But her electoral agent and partner Roger Kendrick is unlikely to provide her with such sensible advice. Earlier this year, the MP was forced to distance herself from comments made by Kendrick, who told a hustings event that “the crisis in education was due entirely to non-British-born immigrants and their high birth rates”.

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My thoughts exactly. Biggest outcry seems to have come from Labour MPs... but wait....

Labour MP David Lammy, an Anti-Democratic MP given he don't accept brexit result acted in a racist manner last week when he raised eyebrows about the Judge in the Glenfell Fire, being unsuitable because and he started with, he was... white and what about the anti-semitism with Labour and racist Diane Abbott, saying 'White people love to play divide and rule, we should not play their game.'

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The Tories were right to suspend the whip and she was right to apologise.

Let's not get into 'this is what the Tories' are like but she is reasonable for her owns words. This is a reflection on her and the Tories' quick suspension shows they don't have time for it.

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Ok but people can't complain about Labour not being strong enough on the anti-Semitism in their party if they don't support the Tories doing the same. This whataboutary can go on forever because next time Ken Livingstone goes on a Hitler rampage his defenders could point to this and around and around we go.

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Surely you can't be talking about when a Labour MP is heard to made a "loony left" remark, there is a rash of Pavlovian posts citing the pathetic and hypocritical Labour party but when you get a Tory making a similarly stupid racist remark, any criticism is "overreaction".

:rofl:

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I was waiting till someone tried to deflect attention away from the story by mentioning Diane Abbott. I promised myself I wouldn't have a cup of tea until someone did. Fortunately, I didn't go thirsty for very long! :D

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Maybe we should start a drinking game! Even time someone (mentioning no names :) ) uses the words "luvvie", "hypocrisy", "Corbynista", "cronies", etc. we should all have a shot!

Cheers!