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Yep, I seem to recall the appalling Mid Staffs debacle in which hundreds of patients died unnecessarily happened on the so called party of the NHS's watch. For a party which claims to be opposed to privatising stuff, they also signed a hell of a lot of vastly expensive NHS (and other) PRIVATE FINANCE INITIATIVE contracts during their term of office but that's just what you'd expect from the party of lies, spin and hypocrisy.

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i wonder who is going to check emails in this one. I can see Momentum getting involved in this one for Corbyn.

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Pfft. That's not going to be a problem for the Tories. Momentum will end up shouting at anyone conflicted over voting Labour that they're Blairite neoliberal **** who'll be deselected from the electorate.

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I'd rather vote for the bnp then labour and there will be snowball fights in hell before I'd vote for them it's a conservative vote for me not only because of brexit but because there isn't a single other party capable of forming a government. Lib dems are a joke and nothing they stand for withstands a sniff of power but even if i thought they could form a barely decent government farron stops any consideration the guy is slimy as hell and just comes off as untrustworthy to me.

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She said it as little as four weeks ago that she wasn't calling an election. This is clearly a u-turn. Her reasoning doesn't make much sense since it was true a month ago that there are people in Parliament who aren't behind Brexit but none the less it passed Parliament easily. The handful of Liberal Democrats and 50 SNP seats aren't a big threat to Brexit and those are the parties least likely to lose seats.

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I think she was hoping that an election wouldn't be needed before it's scheduled date but clearly things have happened that have convinced her this is the right course of action. The amount of political has beens spouting off and inciting sitting MP's to make things difficult has likely played a part and the freedom to do What's right without being held to ransom due to a tiny majority also contributed to this decision. I think it's right we have an election so that we have a strong government to conclude the EU exit.

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The things that happened could be things like a 20 point polling lead perhaps?

The logic for an election has been there all along. Small majority, hopeless opposition, 2020 election is awkwardly timed. I think what changed is the rumour Corbyn will be out after a dismal showing in the local elections.

If I was her I could call an election too. Don't see why we can't call it for what it is, a political decision to capitalise on a opportune moment.

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I don't think Theresa May wanted to enter elections in 2020 with the UK still half in the EU, which is a likely scenario. With a larger number of Conservative MPs, she will be less dependent on the Brextremeists in the party and can implement a more reasoned Brexit.

The key learning point from the election is that the Fixed Term Parliament Act is pretty ineffective.

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Never thought to look back Thanks

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Who wouldn't take the opportinity to trounce the opposition when the chance presented itself.

Dream on andrew.:D

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If she goes down the Brexit route, she has outlined; no deal is better than a bad deal, and no deal turned out to be the case, then, given her small majority, I think it may have triggered an election. Best to get the election out of the way now perhaps?

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Not me dreaming but what the City thinks.

http://www.cityam.com/263031/sterlin...rise-statement

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/...e-100-suffers/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39633479

https://www.ft.com/content/ff1365c2-...a-538b4cb30025 or Google "Theresa May’s snap election opens new chapter for the pound"

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You keep telling yourself that BS, Andrew. There is no hard or soft brexit, there is just brexit, so get used to it.

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Andrew go and read article 50 please for all our sakes and then stop with this hard\soft brexit rubbish because nobody who has read article 50 is talking about soft brexit as it doesn't allow for it in any way shape or form. This delusion that some are holding onto that we can somehow be out but partially in is ridiculous and the people spouting it need to give it up I'm also aware that some business people and city people have had their comments taken out of context on the matter most often by being asked this question "would it be preferable to have a hard or soft brexit for the city". A larger majority for May will mean that no deal rather then a bad deal is how things will go.

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Exactly, why the press can't understand that and keep giving remoaners false hope is beyond me.

As I have said before in this thread. the only possible form of a "soft" brexit is a transition period which the EU autocrats may deign to allow.

Personally I think we'll be better off without one.

I'd also tell them what they can do with their 60 billion and offset it on all EU assets that we have helped to build with what we have already paid!

Re: June 8th General Election
 

how true ;)

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EXCLUSIVE: Tory manifesto will guarantee end of free movement, UK to leave single market and no more meddling by Euro judges as May issues her cast-iron Brexit pledges

Theresa May will place a triple lock on Brexit in the Tory manifesto to stop obstruction by diehard Remainers.
Tory sources say she is set to include specific pledges to overcome opposition within her party and in the Lords.


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So she's just going to follow the article 50 process as set out in article 50 which clearly some people have not bothered to fully read and understand. I will await the outrage from the ignorant remainers who haven't got round to reading it yet.

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A straw man argument. I've not mentioned hard or soft Brexit.

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Putting these things in the manifesto achieves two functions: Firstly ALL prospective Tory candidates have to sign up to the manifesto to be selected by the local party committees thus quelling rebellion from her backbenchers especially over Brexit, secondly it allows for use of the Parliament act to cow the Lords inbuilt opposition to leaving the EU.

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On a more general note I'm going to look to candidates that avoid negative campaigning. I want to know what they've done and will do and why I should vote for them. I don't want to hear how bad "the others" are and why I shouldn't vote for them.

Re: June 8th General Election
 

I see McDonnell reckons anyone earning £70-80k pa is rich. I dare say he's referring to all those MP's who for so long were telling us how poor they were and that's why they needed all those expenses to survive. :rolleyes: Maybe he hasn't noticed that though.

Anyway, is a family relying on 2 wage earners with a combined income of £80k richer than a one earner family on the same income I wonder? I'd have thought the latter would already be quite a lot worse off and this plan would make it worse wouldn't it? :shrug:

Still it appears only 5% of tax payers earn more than the figures McDonnell quoted so I'm not sure how much his extra tax would actually raise but I'm sure all his colleagues will be delighted to stump up and feel good about themselves even if it winds up costing UK PLC.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...h-70000-labour

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Really ? ....

Not mentioned it? You sure?.....

I think we must have a 1andrew1 imposter.....



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Labour MPs not wanting to stand for re-election rises to double figures.... Labour MP for Slough, Fiona MacTaggart, is latest to say she won't stand.

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Rats deserting Corbyns's sinking Labour party ship.

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it's a good opportunity for jobs :)

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Ha ha. I see what you've done but in the article I've referenced I've not mentioned hard or soft Brexit so why bring it up?

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Are you being deliberately delusional?

It's true in that single one post, those words were not uttered by you, however, you have brought to the table, the article itself, that does mention it, several times, so you have essentially mentioned it by proxy and as my last post shows you have mentioned it in your posts for some time now.

So here is a "ha ha" back and a ;) : to answer your 'why bring it up?'.. :p:

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If you want to criticise my use of the hard or soft Brexit term in the past then fine, quote it and criticise it.
But to quote a current post of mine that is not talking of hard or soft Brexit and to then start criticising me for using that terminology is a tad confusing and more argumentative than discussive.

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You're the one who is being argumentative. I am not. I am stating facts, the post IS discussing it. The very article itself that you have quoted mentions it.

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It's depressing that this new thread is settling in to a familiar childish and aggressive tone ..

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It's depressing that people don't know how to discuss things properly, or in this instance, totally deny they raised such an issue or conveniently forget what they posted, but that's right, as always, it really is not surprising that you're bound to side with your remainer buddy.

It would seem Corbyn is now in desperate measures mode and trying to take on tactics seen across the pond, buzzword from his Labour camp this morning and believe me this is not FAKE NEWS, but he was saying repeatedly the system is rigged.

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I know politicians have to be optimistic about their prospects but this is delusional:

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This supertanker's not for turning. :D

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Asking someone "Are you being deliberately delusional?" is argumentative in my opinion.

I constructively avoided the use of hard/soft Brexit in my recent posts as I didn't feel that resurrecting the debate was constructive, but I appreciate that one of the four articles did say "soft Brexit, or a more market and economic friendly divorce from the continent."

The City's argument which people can agree or disagree with is that a good election result for Theresa May will help her to move the UK out of the EU in a manner which will be less of a shock to the system and can accommodate a transition phase and even some outsourcing of regulation to the EU for some time.

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Former Ukip MP Douglas Carswell to step down in Clacton
Move sees party’s ex-financial backer Arron Banks say he may ditch plan to stand for seat, where he had hoped to face Carswell
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...own-in-clacton

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I have a sneaky suspicion Farage may make his move on Clacton to get in to parliament, he has apparently said something about making a decision in next few days.

Oh btw, Andrew, I am glad you finally agree with me that you did raise the issue of soft brexit in the post, not necessarily you via your words but by highlighting the articles you quoted from.

Re: June 8th General Election
 

Here's a good reason why Theresa May may have been reluctant to hold an election despite Labour's poor standing in the polls - 54% of her constituents voted to remain. Will they vote for someone who has done two u-turns?
https://www.indy100.com/article/ther...corbyn-7690481

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Yes.

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I'm inclined to agree with you. The only thing is would EU nationals who could not vote in the referendum have a vote? If so, they are likely to vote against her.

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Ah.. so that is why the EU refused to sort out immigrants' citizenship when the British wanted to ASAP; they knew there would be an election and wanted to get rid of Mrs May. Conspiracy! Conspiracy! Have those pesky Ruskies been hacking again....? now, where did I put my tin foil hat... :D:D:D


Interesting question Andrew; I haven't a clue regarding their voting status.

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Labour will win this. easily.

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Please sign where indicated:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...2&d=1492708073

:D

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Strange timing or is Red Len worried?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...n-mccluskey-uk

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It's one way of gagging your opposition. :(

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Probably trying to hang on to those NEC seats. Same reason Corbyn will attempt to stay on until September. They want to change the rules as fewer nominations from the PLP are required to get onto the ballot that is then given to members, it's their way to ensure the hard-left retain control of the party but if they need to last until the vote at the Labour conference.

Re: June 8th General Election
 

As Damien predicted, Nigel Farage has decided against running. He doesn't like the day-to-day stuff and he has a promising career on the lecture circuit ahead of him. He would have outshone Paul Nuttall so it would be a bit uncomfortable. A similar experience that now awaits Tim Farron if Clegg and Cable are back in Parliament..
I agree that I quoted an article that mentioned soft Brexit and am pleased that you confirm that I did not mention it directly or quote any articles mentioning a hard Brexit. For the last thing I want is to return to the debates of yesteryear.

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Gary, l think you should stand in the corner. I think Labour will suffer such a defeat, they will be blasted off the planet.

I am Labour through, and through. But NOT this time.

Corbyn is a ****. He has no chance of winning. He has only got into the Leaders seat because of Momentum.

He has no bottle, even Stephen Hawkins doesn't like him - and he is Labour. And now we have Labour MPs not prepared to stand, as they are not stupid as they will lose

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Found out the answer - same people who could vote in the referendum ie British citizens plus those citizens of the Republics of Cyprus and Ireland, and Malta who live in the UK.

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As Sebastian Payne says in the FT, "...it is hard not to conclude that Labour has the wrong message, delivered by the wrong leader at the wrong time."

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I'm a member of Unite more by lethargy. I joined MSF way back as a white collar union in a hospital, it became Amicus and now merged to form Unite which really is too big and wide spread to really represent anyone.

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Looks like Jezzer's left wing backer is still firmly in charge. I wonder how this will play with the electorate?

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He was never going to lose and who;d have thought there'd be allegations of bullying from within a union... :rolleyes:

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They won't care. It's bad but it's one of those things most people don't pay attention too IMO.

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Corbyn's car crash interview: Labour leader would NOT bomb ISIS, wants to scrap Trident, and would withdraw British troops from Nato

Jeremy Corbyn has suggested he would never use nuclear weapons, would halt air strikes on ISIS and withdraw British troops from Nato defences against Russia in a car crash interview on national security.
Mr Corbyn told the BBC's Andrew Marr he wanted a 'peaceful world' but rebuffed a barrage of questions about the real security threats facing Britain today.
The Labour leader hesitated when asked if he would authorise a drone strike to kill the leader of ISIS and said his instruction to submarine captains in control of nuclear weapons would be to follow orders - not respond to a catastrophic first strike.


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He can't run his own cabinet let alone the country. The man's a joke.

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he just wants to debate every thing to death like you do at uni then organise another debate .

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Labour is just completely in disarray. We would be completely defenceless under that idiot Corbyn.

But never mind, he wants to give us an extra 4 days bank holiday, he wants £10 an hour living wage, he is just going to bankrupt the country and to hell with lowering the deficit.

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I do think they should add a bank holiday around October or November. We have comparatively few compared to other European nations and the ones we do have are clustered around now. Having one for St Georges Day makes no sense either as it's so close to easter and may bank holidays.

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Exactly, we could end up with 4 in March or 3 in April with the Patron Saints plan. That's depending on which month Easter falls in obviously, as we have David & Patrick in March. I say the Monday closest to November 11th be made a Bank Holiday.

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I think one around then would be good. It doesn't help St George's Day is so close to other bank holidays or that it's not such a compelling 'national' day. Trying it with Guy Fawkes night would be cool.

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I think one extra is tolerable but an additional three is overkill and damaging to the economy, in all honesty, I doubt it's a resounding reason to want to suddenly go out and vote Labour.

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To Be fair, provision of bank holidays are a very long way down on the list of what I look for in the country's leader.

The fact that Labour voted to renew Trident at the cost of billions, and their Leader has just nullified that investment. Just shows the intellect of the man. Even if you wouldn't press the button, you don't say you wouldn't.

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I mean the policy itself is a party throwing anything at salvaging some seats. No argument there! But we need at least one, maybe even two bank holidays around winter :D

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Spending cuts to accelerate as tax burden rises to highest level in over 30 years

https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/8891

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Correct me if I'm wrong but this seems to be an old report as we are having an election this year,

In latest news: This idiot is thinking of coming back!


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Blairs EU commissioner drive???

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Blair and Corbyn are the leavers' gift that keeps on giving! It's now buy one, get one free time!

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Can't deny that!

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Reuters

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Meanwhile in Scotland:

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She won't be able to play games with a sharply reduced number of SNP MPs.:)

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Anyone who thought the tories would't do well in an election at this time is living in a dreamworld.

May was 100% correct calling it at this time.

How they do north of the border remains to be seen and may well frighten their beloved Nicola.

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Aww bless, Tim Farron getting rather upset tonight, with repeated questions about his personal views on whether he considers gay sex being a sin, as per his strong faith.

Apparently, nothing wrong with being in a gay relationship, but as long as it does not extend to sexual activity.

I am sorry, everyone is entitled to their own views, but you cannot be associated with a party labelled, 'Liberal', let alone lead it, when personal views are anything but. What a bloody farce.

https://www.facebook.com/skynews/vid...8833303797926/

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Not really relevant unless you happen to be in his constituency ;)

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Well, I'm not a Farron fan of course but I think everyone is entitled to personal views. Is it 'Liberal' to condone buggery as a practise if that conflicts with your personal views?

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It's a bit like standing as a Conservative but personally disagreeing with the free market economy.

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Since he's the labour leader it's of some small relevance ;)

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Funniy enough, that 's what the Conservative Party is being accused of with regard to energy price-capping.

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Ha ha good point! Someone has to take a stand on us all being stuffed up the arse. Which brings us back to Mr Farron...:D

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This is the 'One Nation' British Conservative party; not the Freedom caucus of the US Republican party! Nothing wrong with state intervention :)

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Pro-EU Tories quit Open Britain over plans to oust Brexit-backing MPs
Nicky Morgan, Anna Soubry and Dominic Grieve say it is ‘untenable’ for them to support successor organisation to remain campaign

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...it-backing-mps

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Why doesn't the poll have the option of 'I have no idea who to vote for'?

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i think it's assumed that if you have no idea or clue you would vote liberal with the rest of them :)

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Assuming is a very dangerous game papa as things can be totally the opposite of what one assumes or thinks.:nono:;)

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Talk about parking your tanks on Labour's lawn. :D

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now you strike me as a labour voter not a lib

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Given the plethora of poor party leaders in this country one will make a decision once they send me my postal vote slip as l am not enamoured by any of them personally as they all obfuscate , deceive and pay insincere lip service IMO.

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That's been the case for years although it does appear to be getting worse!

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well in my view Teresa May has taken us into brexit and we must stand with her until it's over ,this is not a time for backstabbing or attempting the reversing the referendum result ,it's no time for grubby little weasels trying to overturn democracy ,we need to get the job done not try stalling it at every opportunity .

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Here in Scotlandshire, the Borders MSP John Lamont has resigned in order to stand for the equivalent seat in the Westminster election. This seat is one of the most marginal seats in Scotland (Nat majority in 2015 about 350) and the Tories should pick this one up at the very least.

Lamont's decision to resign now, and not after the election, can only be an expression of his confidence at winning. As the local man I guess he should know.

It also means there will be a Holyrood by election some time this summer, in a seat the Tories can expect to hold. A standalone Tory win at Holyrood will bring yet more bad headlines for Nippy and the Nats. Which I'm quite sure didn't enter into the Tories' calculations at all. :D

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l accepted the result a long time ago as it is what it is and there is no changing it and as far as l am concerned there are far more important things in life then Brexit as far as l am concerned.

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If only other remainers could do the same.

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I personally wouldn't use the term 'grubby little weasels' :), but spot on though!

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Err she campaigned for Remain then saw an opportunity for power. Don't delude yourself Smurf !

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I would be very surprised if the Tories have not been polling specific constituencies for months now. Politicos have noted that Lynton Crosby has been spotted around Whitehall for weeks. I suspect they know far more than us what is happening on the ground. In 2015 they knew how effective the Lab-SNP coalition threat would be to the Liberal Democrats.

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Indeed, she was one of Europe's biggest champions according to farage earlier, plus when she was home secretary she did nothing about immigration from non eu countries in spite of the publics growing concerns, just another self serving, opportunistic, ego maniac desperately trying to stay on the greasy pole, we really do get the politicians we deserve

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Well Farage would say that. It's all about his media attention and image now. I don't think anyone can accuse May of being soft on Brexit albeit she did seem to be stalling for time when taking the Miller case to court when it was clear she would easily win a vote.

Also I thought she did cut down on immigrants from outside the EU. The government reduced student visas and made it harder to people to bring in their wives/husbands. She was constrained by the EU numbers.

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I wouldn't put it past her to resign if she doesn't end up with a big enough majority.

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I can't see her having that problem.

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we could end up with bozzer as pm :cleader:

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So they've hung Jezzer out to dry then. :D

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Farron gets warning from head office ;)

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A man who doesn't have the conviction of his faith is an abomination. Judas Farron cannot be trusted. He should have affirmed his belief and hang the consequences.