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afaik, it is.

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By 2030, Muslims will be 8% - not anywhere near a majority.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...ion-in-europe/

http://www.prb.org/Publications/Arti...sineurope.aspx

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FOAD hopkins.

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QFT

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Katie hopkins self professed patriot giving aid and comfort to our enemy she needs to shut up and stop being a headline whore.

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That's what I was thinking, immigrants tend to breed less 2nd generation to around the same ish as the host nations citizens, best hope for the children's sake the trend continues what with the aging population

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These facts still do not stop the fools who believe the propaganda .. :(

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Just a heads-up for anyone donating via JustGiving:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39391865

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As it stands JustGiving will steal £35000 of the money raised for the policeman.

******* leeches should rot in hell. :mad::td:

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I get that JustGiving have costs but £35k is disproprtionate/ :shocked: :mad:

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Police are saying they may never know why the nutter did what he did.

idiots.
bring back Miss Marple.

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Restaurant owner fed emergency workers for free during Westminster attack :)

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Black cabbies ferried hundreds away from the scene to saftey for free to that day to, can't imagine uber doing the same! It's at the worst of times the best of people come out

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When there was a Tube strike earlier this year, I remember them increasing their prices x4.

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I didn't think that black cabs were allowed to do that

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Think he means uber

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Ah :)

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I think what EVERYONE should do. Is simply this.
If you think something in your road, your next door neighbour could be acting strange. then report it.

It may be a starnge thing to say. BUT, this how things start.

Remember, the ******* lived in a normal street. And then went and carried out this horrible attack.

Call your local Police safer neighbourhood team and let them check it out.

Some people tell me things - and you would be total surprised at what l find out.

STAY SAFE MEMBERS

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A man has been arrested in Birmingham by police investigating the Westminster terror attack, in which four people were killed.
The Met Police said the 30-year-old was being held on suspicion of preparing terrorist acts.
Another man, 58, arrested in Birmingham on Thursday, remains in custody.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39400554

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I report my neighbour everday Arthur. and everyday I wake up he's still there. with the usual smug "Morning Gary!"

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Yes it's how we start with a terror state where people can't say or do anything else some neighbour reports it and the poor sod ends up having to explain away to the "authorities".

Certainly we need to be aware but we also need to allow that other people are "different" and may not fit into what we think is "normal" and yet not be a threat.

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The more i see of Arthurs posts the more i think he would have been the perfect soviet citizen as quite a few of his ideas are more soviet union then UK. I was very disgusted and disappointed to see the temporary memorial being abused by the pro EU marchers who seemed to think it was there for them to highlight their agenda.

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What did they do? The photos I saw all just showed them leaving flowers and condolence cards.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/...ttack-victims/

https://twitter.com/JoeMurphyLondon/...rror-attack%2F

https://twitter.com/Taylok19/status/...rror-attack%2F

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From above link: https://twitter.com/ThomasEvansGB/st...95181001691136 (NSFW) 25 seconds onward. Few of them appeared to have dumped EU garbage alongside the memorial flowers before taking them away whilst being lectured with NSFW language

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Why dump the EU garbage in the first place? Total disrespect.

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When someone went to remove the pro EU rubbish he was insulted by these great examples one label was that he was a facist clearly thrown by someone who doesn't understand what a real facist is. Basically Damian they laid their pro EU banners and the like at the memorial site completely disrespectful but given disrespect is a daily routine for many of them i shouldn't have been surprised.

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Great isn't it - the irony of people who claim they're fighting hatred but routinely resort to it.

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But a few people on a march who left placards by the memorial aren't representative of everyone. There were hundreds and hundreds of flowers and condolence messages. If you only choose to focus on the worst then you're only ever going to be angry. You could choose to focus on the vast majority of them who were polite and respectful or the minority who behaved badly. You see rows and rows of flowers, then a handful of placards, and your entire world is about the latter.

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You always get the minority ruining things for the majority, don't make excuses for the scroats!

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I'm not making excuses for them I am saying there is no need for excuses for the rest of the others.

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I'm sorry Damien but you are, what the rest of the others were doing has been totally and forgotten because of that minority.

What is the thing that will be remembered? The sh8theads who desicrated a memorial, nothing else.

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:clap:

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We are in the day and age of the minority so like it or not that's how it is and as with everything else whether you support or condemn depends on your personal view.

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Yes and I choose to focus on the majority of people who are good rather than the minority who are not. The alternative would make me unhappy.

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:tu:

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Although I agree with you 100% Damien, it is always the minority who ruin it for the majority.

That is an unfortunate fact of life.

Be prepared to be unhappy.

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Exactly as we will always hear about the evil deeds of a small minority wherever we never hear about the good deeds of the clear majority.

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Yes indeed it is always the small minority that ruin it for the vast majority of others.

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We will be happy together then..:hugs:

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Aww, it's our first moderator love affair. No sex in front of the children please :D.

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Errr ... he's young enough to be one of her children ... :erm:

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Indeed I have been privileged to see Damien mature into a sensible young man..

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Now you're 64 Maggy, will Damien be sending you a valentine, birthday greetings and a bottle of wine? The horny little devil :afire:

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How do you know Maggy isn't the horny little devil?


Sorry Mags but I had to say it.:D

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:clap:

Always the **** that make the news not those who were doing the right thing.

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Well let's forget the names of the **** and remember the likes of Keith Palmer instead..It's not hard.

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:tu:

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There's been another fatality, the Romanian woman who went in the river :(

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...-khalid-masood

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Very sad.

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Great sadness... her boyfriend was going to propose to her in London.

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Terrorism teaches a lesson that some still refuse to learn

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There will come a point where everyone has to realise that islam and modern western societies don't go together and cannot peacefully coexist much as we'd like it to be possible. Radical islam has a stronger grasp in the UK today then ever before and it's influence is increasing with moderate muslims either moving mosques or simply staying quiet. It just isn't practical to blame every incident on lunatic loner's anymore there is a huge issue within islam that the religion either won't or can't deal with and the longer it continues the worse the problem will become and the higher the death toll will be.

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So what are you saying , we should ban Islam? There are extremists everywhere sometimes using religion as an excuse. 99% from all religions live in harmony. Making people feel outsiders us going to increase the risk of radicalism and make them less likely to report others they suspect within their community.

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Of course not! The only way that this problem will eventually be tackled is through baby steps and the first step is for the liberal west to actually acknowledge that islam has a problem at it's heart, rather than burying our heads in the sand and blaming the problem on anything but islam. That will allow moderate muslims to voice their fears about what's going on and then we can slowly work towards a solution.

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where do these moderate Muslims live [it's never near the nutters is it ] or is that they secretly support them and turn a blind eye in the name of ...ali snackbar n that .

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How do you think most plots including the most recent one are foiled, it's because friends and family get involved and inform the authorities. If anyone is turning a blind eye it's the prison service that allow vulnerable, impressionable young men lacking confidence, direction and a sense of belonging convert to Islam for better food and conditions and watch them slowly become radicalised. We could do something about it but it'd cost money and not only don't we like spending it we also like to sell everything of so don't expect those private companies that do it so much better than the public sector to spend a penny piece they don't have to addressing the problem, not when it's far easier to blame the community for turning a blind eye.

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What did Stalin call them, useful idiots

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What I'm saying is there needs to be a change in islam if it is to continue in western countries lets not pretend that extremism is the only issue with islam. There needs to be an acknowledgement within islam that the problem exists and if they can't resolve it they need to accept help in resolving it and we need to stop making excuses when things happen in case we offend someone. We are spending so much time and effort trying not to offend this group and that group that sod all gets done and if we are not careful we will politically correct ourselves out of existence.

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But Islam is not one homogenous group - like Christianity, no one person/group speaks for, or represents, the religion.

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seems it's represented by terrorism in all corners of the globe .

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Glib, but not addressing the actual point I made...

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I'm not a muslim and being honest I don't really care about the inner workings of islam i just want it to peacefully coexist or stick to it's traditional geographical areas and we stick to ours i definately don't want to see anymore dead because of it. Yes i am aware that western politicians have done a great job of sticking their noses where they don't belong but it's got to stop at some point might as well be now.

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it strikes me when there's some moaning to do the Muslim faith[islam] seems well represented and the Muslim[islamic] community that they keep banging on about is well represented , then when an atrocity is committed in their name no one is accountable because they have no representatives :shrug:

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You seem to be confusing people who are Islamic and speak out about things with the whole of Islam - that's like saying the Westboro Baptist Church, the KKK, and the Reverend Ian Paisley represent The whole of Christianity.

Or that Harold Shipman represents all doctors.

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nicely done but the problem is too big to sweep under the rug anymore

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Good point, well put :tu:

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Difference is that we are only too happy to denounce Westboro, the KKK and Paisley but when it comes to radical islam we will bend over backwards to blame the atrocities on something, anything, else.

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Once again, a glib comment, but no actual answer...

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I don't know who this 'we' are - everyone I know denounces terrorist attacks, be they from Islamic Extremists, right wing nutters (aka 'lone wolves'), or anyone else...

There may be a few apologists for these idiots, but they are in a vast minority.

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What do you think of this Hugh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AkAGc5nOXw

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uj8J62BqRMo

If you have the time there is this debte.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghr-JMq1VT0

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The reality is that because of the despicable actions of people like Shipman and now Ian Paterson, the whole of the medical profession comes under closer scrutiny. Is that fair to the vast majority of decent and honourable medics? No. Is it inevitable in order to try to prevent it happening again? Yes.

Most men aren't paedophiles or rapists yet the actions of the minority who are impinges upon the rights and freedoms of every man to the extent that different rules apply to males and females when it comes to matters of child protection. Is that fair?

We all know that most Muslims are just normal decent people but sadly the actions of a few mean that they will inevitably come under closer scrutiny and that is unfair but it's inevitable just like it was in the days when the IRA were bombing the UK and entirely innocent Irish people came under suspicion. The same happened in the wake of the 7/7 attacks and whilst it's very sad it's entirely understandable.

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But in the case of muslim terrorist attacks, without attributing the attack to islam.

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:tu:

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Should an attack be attributed to the religion of the perpetrator immediately? Presumably attributing the cause can't be done until the police investigation has concluded.

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I wouldn't have thought so. :confused:

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If religion has played any part in an individuals actions then it is right to scrutinise that religion and if it's being twisted or distorted to promote violent actions then it is right that action be taken to resolve that. Whether some like it or not the action and the religion cannot be so easily seperated in islamic terror attacks. I have to be honest as an atheist i am puzzled why all traditional western religions are fair game for any attacks and criticism but islam is not with people bending over backwards not to say or do anything that might possibly cause muslims offence.

In most muslim countries they are good at telling visitors and workers from outside that they have to adapt to their country and that the country won't bend to accomadate them but here in the west we are constantly adapting to their needs usually because they complain about our intolerance, racism or ignorance brilliant example of having your cake and eating it and more fool us for putting up with it for so long.

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Westminster on lockdown as police deal with man outside gates.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-gates-reports