Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

I talked to a homeless man this morning and asked him how
he ended up this way.

He said, "Until last week, I still had it all. I had plenty to eat,
my clothes were washed and pressed, I had a roof over my
head, I had TV and internet, and I went to the gym every day.
I even had a swimming pool and an excellent library nearby.
I was working on-line on my degree. I had no bills and no debts.
I even had full medical and dental coverage."

I stood there and thought ‘how sad that he's now come down
to this’, so I asked,
"So, what happened? Drugs? Alcohol? A bad divorce?"



"Oh no, nothing like that," he said. "No, no. I've just been
released from prison."

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Wonder which prison that's based on, it's very different from the 23 hour lock down I recall hearing about. If anyone thinks prison is a holiday camp they should consider why then there's so many suicides and so much violence going on in there.

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I should imagine either cat C or D.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

That's because even though we are told that vaccines are completely safe, there are vaccine damage funds. Even though we are told that global warming is a thing, there are still scientists who point out that polar bears are thriving and the polar ice is growing. We were told that sugar is ok but now we find out that it's worse than fat. That's why we we don't trust experts and the elite at face value :shrug:

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Who said anything about a quick and painless execution?

It seems you are quite happy for them to be "executed" inside prison instead by the other inmates, hypocrite.

When you've had a daughter raped by her step-father then you can come back and argue with me, until then...your opinion amounts to heap of %^%^%$

..and yes justice (you'll call it revenge) was meted out and he is now scarred for life. Sentence? Community service, those magistrates understood.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Right, one that is barely even a prison then, think I'll just classify the creator of that as either a troll in need of attention or just plain ignorant.

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

I repeat, I believe that if the UK were to reintroduce the death penalty, it would be done humanely. It's unthinkable that the UK would do any other and I did not put forward any opinion as to whether this is appropriate or not.

How could society complain and seek redress for some of its members being harmed if it went on to sanction death or harm itself, it would be viewed as totally hypocritical.

At no point have I said that I am happy for inmates to harm other inmates. I merely pointed out what is likely to happen. I am not, therefore, a hypocrite.

My opinion is as valid as anybody elses, even yours which is obviously tainted by what you say happened to your daughter.

In my opinion, justice or revenge, whatever you want to call it, is best served by imprisonment for the reason previously explained.

We do not live in a vigilante society for very sound reasons, although i'm sure it can be tempting for someone who feels wronged.

It wouldn't be reasonable to expect someone to stand back and form a rational opinion in circumstances where their child had been abused, raped, killed etc. I believe that it's a common trait for all beings that have procreated to want to protect their young. At it's most raw, it's a part of the continuation cycle of the species and basic survival.

The footballers who were sexually abused and raped as children could easily have banded together and done something to their former coach, but they have decided to deal with the matter in the correct and appropriate manner.

It will benefit them in the end i'm sure.

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Plus there is a the slight problem that by killing someone, you are ensuring they won't suffer any further consequences of their actions. In prison, they might. In the meantime, the victim may need extensive counselling to help them cope with what has happened to them.

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I have heard that lifers have an easy time in cat A prisons. Only someone who has been there would be able to confirm if it is across all category prisons or not. I am merely guessing.

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I know quite a few prison officers courtesy of having a prison just up the road from my town and they all say that prisoners generally have never had it as easy as they do now and that the current regime promotes reoffending given that for the bulk of prisoners they have a higher standard of living in prison then they would outside. I'm inclined to take their word on the subject as they are prison officers some with over twenty years experience.

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Do I believe in the Death Penalty ? It is a hard one. Sometimes emotions override intellect and all that matters is, an eye for an eye. In cases where there is overwhelming evidence of wrong doing and that the crime involves pretty gruesome and brutal murders, then, yes I could say the death penalty should be brought back, but again I stress in cases where the evidence is significantly overwhelming.

An example of where the death penalty, I feel should have been used but was not because it had just been abolished in Britain: The Moors Murderers and child killers, Ian Brady and Myra Hindley, whose kidnap and murder spree happened in the area where I live back in the 1960's. The evidence stacked up against them, they were guilty as hell and it was just unfortunate and unbelievable poor timing that the death penalty had just been abolished. Those two should have been Executed for what they did to those kids ! Those who are not in favor of the death penalty, had it been one of your kids they kidnapped and tortured and recorded their screams and took photographs of their evils deeds, could you honestly say, hand on heart, those two **** bags didn't deserve to be Executed ?

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No I couldn't. I would probably not want even execution, far too little pain involved. But we shouldn't design a justice system on that. Victims are unlikely to be thinking clearly and there are other needs than just revenge and punishment. We don't have the death penalty because, overall, we judge it as making society as a whole worse even if there are specific circumstances where we may wish it still existed.

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I agree. But I'm unhappy with life not meaning life in some cases and also with how comfortable prisons can be for these people (according to tabloids)

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

You're missing the point Mick, I think I've made this point either in this or another thread. But once you become personally/emotionally involved in a crime then of course you would be screaming for the death penalty.

Our legal system isn't nor cannot be based on emotion.

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Remember it well even though I was only a child at the time, same as Peter Sutcliffe, Fred & Rosie West etc.

The death penalty is a highly emotive subject, personally I'd have no problem with it.

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Even if it meant that by being humanely executed that they had effectively got away with it as far as we are concerned?

What if the reintroduction of the death penalty meant that child abusers would become more fearful of being caught, so incidents of child murder increased to permanently silence them?

No amount of laws and threats are going to stop someone who gets sexually excited by under age people from being attracted to children.

It must be very difficult for them to control their sexual urges, yet if any asked for help, it's unlikely that it would work out well for them.

Yet, for someone to put their own needs and desires to one side because the welfare of children would be affected, is a selfless thing to do and helps to protect minors.

Nobody can help what makes them sexually excited; there must be a better way than how paedophila is 'managed' at the moment as it's clearly not working and is detrimental to children.

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No, we don't have it because it was abolished by a bunch of hand-wringing lily-livered liberals (in the broadest sense).

If what you say is true then why wont any government give us a referendum on the subject?

simple answer - we'll vote to bring it back.

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It's been some years since admittedly, but the more right wing Tories have tried to garner support for the reintroduction of the death penalty several times in the past, but to no avail.

The thoughts of Eric Bristow on the subject of the sexually abused footballers; there's also a rugby player who it's happened to:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...-arent-9354804

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I wouldn't call it easy time, it's easier than some purely as a sop to control them, what else do they have to lose? I've never encountered a lifer admittedly only people that had been released in a job long ago and their opinion tallies very differently from what the public perception is.

Brady has said numerous times that he wants to die, don't give him what he wants imo keep him locked up and actively prolong his life if possible, the old bag could've dropped though and the only one who would've shed a tear would've been lord Longford, same with the Yorkshire ripper, apparently he's been warned that his eating himself to death, I'd happily send him in a food parcel if I thought it'd help him on his way.

Prime case of not thinking before typing, we've all done it, me more than most truth be known, that's what I hope anyway otherwise he's just a moron who doesn't know the difference between a homosexual and a paedophile.

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What does what I said have to do with a referendum?

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

Referendum question to the public

"Do you want to restore execution?" YES or NO

Politicians who believe they know better than us brick themselves at what woud happen...

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

We have a representative democracy partly so we can appoint people whose job it is to know more than the public about issues they're legislating on. Not everything can or should be put to a public vote.

The problem with putting it to a referendum is that the question will be framed in the way Mick put it earlier: "What if it were your child that was murdered?". Public policy shouldn't be decided on such visceral emotions. There probably wouldn't be too much reflection on the dangers of the death penalty, the cost of it, the evidence or lack thereof of it's effectiveness as a deterrent.

Anyway the possible popularity of bringing back the death penalty is not a rebuttal of my point. What is right is not necessarily what is the most popular. I could be in a minority of one and still believe the death penalty should remain a thing of the past.

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I agree.

I think that being locked up for years is more of a punishment than being humanely executed.

Good point about homosexuality and paedophila.

This idiot needs to keep his views to himself, i'm all for appropriate free speech, but the last thing these footballers (and those reading it who have been abused) need is the ramblings of this offensive imbecile.

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The problem is that people are never going to think about a question like that logically, and I believe they need to.

They may see the question "Do you want to restore execution?" but what they are likely to read is something along the lines of "Do you want to see Murderers hanged?". Most people, if you asked a question like that would say "Yes" without hesitation. Whether we are aware we do it or not, in my experience most people do. I'm usually logical to the point where I can appear quite cold, but even I think like that when I'm asked a question like that.

Unfortunately, where a decision involves life and death (as execution does), I feel that the best way to decide is to do so logically, and weigh up the pros and cons. It is hard to do that unless you can remove your own emotions from the situation.

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Personally, I have to take issue with the way this is reported. While I obviously think the boy perpetrating this crime is evil, and should be punished, calling him an immigrant is, at best, irrelevant (a person who commits this sort of crime is evil whatever race they are) and at worst, wrong. The article does not really give enough information to find other sources for what happened, but the article itself says that the boy came here to live with his father. It does not say anything about his father's status, but I'll lay odds that if the father was also an immigrant, the press would have at least mentioned that in the article, if not in the headline.

To give an example of the current quality of the reporting in the "newspaper" that calls itself the Daily Express: This headline stated that Coronation Street had been axed. It hasn't. As the article underneath the headline notes, one episode was cancelled so that ITV could show the football. Something which they have been doing as long as I can remember. Now, I know that the second article is in the showbiz section, so as a reader, I should not be expecting hard hitting and accurate news, but the fact that their headline is contradicted by the article suggests problems with the reporting.

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I think many people would agree with you on this point. The use of the word Migrant in headlines like these is deliberately aimed at associating Migrants with crime. The Daily Mail and Express have been at the forefront on this trend of hate reporting:

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/11/1.jpeg

There are finally initiatives aimed at stopping companies advertising in these "newspapers", for example:

https://www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/

Re: Migrant found GUILTY of Raping boy 5, given Rehabilitation Order
 

You do have a point, but the fact that this was done by an immigrant is relevant.

If he hadn't of been here, this crime would never have taken place.

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Pleased to see that Sky have now sacked Bristo.

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If any men reading this has suffered sex abuse as a child, three organisations that might be able to help are:

M power https://helplines.org/helplines/mpower/

Survivors UK https://www.survivorsuk.org

National Association for people who have been abused in childhood http://napac.org.uk

Help organisations are saying that one good thing about the latest revelations is that it involves football, which a lot of men can relate to, so they are finding that men who have kept this to themselves for many years feel a little more comfortable discussing it many years later.

These organisations have people who have suffered abuse themselves. I'm sure that it must help to be an to speak to someone who can truly understand the effects of sexual abuse in childhood.