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pip08456 20-11-2016 21:37

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
Crown Estates don't pay taxes as such as all the income comes directly to HMG, 15% of the income is then paid to the Monarch as that was the deal when the estates were handed over to the Government.

Then again Crown Estates could employ special Tax accountants to look at the income to see how they could screw they tax system and perhaps put all the income via a shell company in the Camen Islands so the Government would not be liable for any taxes due to the Customs and Excise arm of the Government.

Chris 20-11-2016 21:50

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35870789)
She lives in it, doesn't pay rent and tells others if they can stay there or not, sounds like she owns it to me!!

Crown estates which are going to pay less tax for quiet a while, so from taxes in a round about way

Except ones an amusing old man and the other is a nob with a well honed act that people seem happy to be taken in by for some reason.

It sounds like you don't really understand how the Crown Estate works.

Buckingham Palace does not belong to Elizabeth Windsor. It belongs to the Crown and is part of the Crown Estate. The Crown Estate owns land and buildings all over the UK and generates income from them. The income net of running costs is paid to the treasury. The treasury gives 15% of that income to the Queen and she uses that to pay for the Royal Family's running costs. This includes the costs of running the houses they live in. She doesn't own them, nor does she rent them. They are a perk of the job, but a perk she is responsible to maintain day-to-day. Exceptional costs, however, are not expected to be covered out of the usual allowance from the estate. Repairs to Windsor Castle after the fire in 1992 were paid for by donations, by opening Buckingham Palace to the public and by £2 million of the Queen's private income. It's a catastrophe like that that is part of the reason it's imperative that we get this work done rather than using it as an excuse for the usual republican suspects to have a whinge.

To reiterate: the Crown Estate does not pay tax on its profits. *All* its profits are paid to the exchequer, and 85% of its profits remain with the exchequer, to be allocated and spent in the same way as all other government income.

TheDaddy 20-11-2016 22:43

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35870792)
Crown Estates don't pay taxes as such as all the income comes directly to HMG, 15% of the income is then paid to the Monarch as that was the deal when the estates were handed over to the Government.

Then again Crown Estates could employ special Tax accountants to look at the income to see how they could screw they tax system and perhaps put all the income via a shell company in the Camen Islands so the Government would not be liable for any taxes due to the Customs and Excise arm of the Government.

Yes they could do that but then we could lop her head of like one of her unfortunate predecessors, so the 85% is staying with the people then, it's not being cut at all?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35870793)
It sounds like you don't really understand how the Crown Estate works.

Buckingham Palace does not belong to Elizabeth Windsor. It belongs to the Crown and is part of the Crown Estate. The Crown Estate owns land and buildings all over the UK and generates income from them. The income net of running costs is paid to the treasury. The treasury gives 15% of that income to the Queen and she uses that to pay for the Royal Family's running costs. This includes the costs of running the houses they live in. She doesn't own them, nor does she rent them. They are a perk of the job, but a perk she is responsible to maintain day-to-day. Exceptional costs, however, are not expected to be covered out of the usual allowance from the estate. Repairs to Windsor Castle after the fire in 1992 were paid for by donations, by opening Buckingham Palace to the public and by £2 million of the Queen's private income. It's a catastrophe like that that is part of the reason it's imperative that we get this work done rather than using it as an excuse for the usual republican suspects to have a whinge.

To reiterate: the Crown Estate does not pay tax on its profits. *All* its profits are paid to the exchequer, and 85% of its profits remain with the exchequer, to be allocated and spent in the same way as all other government income.

Sounds like you don't get jokes, my mistake I should've stuck a smiley face at the end instead of two exclamation marks and to reiterate the 85% is remaining with the exchequer then, it's not being cut at all

pip08456 20-11-2016 22:51

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35870801)

85% is remaining with the exchequer then, it's not being cut at all

How can the agreed income be cut? The Govenment get 100% then hand over 15% as per the agreement.

Then problem people percieve is that the income from the Crown Estates has risen far above inflation and the Government is making millions per year from it.

By the same token the Monarch's 15% is worth more as well. Republicans only look at the headline figure paid, not where it comes from.

No "Taxpayers" money is paid to the Monarch.

TheDaddy 20-11-2016 23:05

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35870804)
How can the agreed income be cut? The Govenment get 100% then hand over 15% as per the agreement.

Then problem people percieve is that the income from the Crown Estates has risen far above inflation and the Government is making millions per year from it.

By the same token the Monarch's 15% is worth more as well. Republicans only look at the headline figure paid, not where it comes from.

No "Taxpayers" money is paid to the Monarch.

Are the government not handing over 25% from now on

pip08456 20-11-2016 23:17

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No. The agreement cannot be modified by either party. The ONLY change that can be made is that the Crown Estate is handed back to the Monarch and that won't happen as it is a cash cow for the country.

Last year the Crown Estate's property evaluation was £12 billion with a £304.1 million net revenue profit

Pierre 20-11-2016 23:41

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The Crown Estate is run quite agressively commercially. Trust me I know.

pip08456 20-11-2016 23:54

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35870819)
The Crown Estate is run quite agressively commercially. Trust me I know.

What do you expect? It's Government owned and run, they want to squeeze every penny out of it.:D

TheDaddy 21-11-2016 03:01

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35870814)
No. The agreement cannot be modified by either party. The ONLY change that can be made is that the Crown Estate is handed back to the Monarch and that won't happen as it is a cash cow for the country.

Last year the Crown Estate's property evaluation was £12 billion with a £304.1 million net revenue profit

You'd better tell that to the trustees including the pm and chancellor then as they think different

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38025513

martyh 21-11-2016 08:01

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35870843)
You'd better tell that to the trustees including the pm and chancellor then as they think different

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38025513

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The trustees say the grant should rise to 25% of the profits for the repairs. This would require MPs' approval.
It's a temp rise to pay for the repairs ,the usual 15% will still be used to run the royal household

TheDaddy 21-11-2016 09:03

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35870845)
It's a temp rise to pay for the repairs ,the usual 15% will still be used to run the royal household

:rofl:

Yeah course it is, 50p says it's still at 25% in ten years, if anyone believes different I've got some magic beans you might be interested in

pip08456 21-11-2016 14:14

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35870843)
You'd better tell that to the trustees including the pm and chancellor then as they think different

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38025513

Typical political gobblydigook. Why don't they just tell it how it is. 10% of Crown estate income will be spent on the refurbishment.

Even the BBC report is disingenuous.

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A report by the Public Accounts Committee said the Royal Household was "not looking after nationally important heritage properties adequately", saying that in March 2012, 39% of the royal estate was "below what the household deemed to be an acceptable condition".
and the quite rightly

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The occupied royal palaces are held in trust for the nation by the Queen but the cost of maintaining them falls on the government.

martyh 21-11-2016 20:38

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35870847)
:rofl:

Yeah course it is, 50p says it's still at 25% in ten years, if anyone believes different I've got some magic beans you might be interested in

I would expect so given the refurbishment is over the next 10 yrs and i'll bet any money it takes longer

Mr K 21-11-2016 23:56

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
Meanwhile back in the real world...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b09025ba32a16b

Chris 22-11-2016 00:34

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35870970)
Meanwhile back in the real world...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b09025ba32a16b

Indeed. The cost of repairing Buck House is little more than a rounding error by comparison.

ianch99 22-11-2016 01:08

Re: Buckingham Palace to get £369million modernisation works
 
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35870970)
Meanwhile back in the real world...
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b09025ba32a16b

Don't worry! In our new post-truth world, this sort of thing can't happen.


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