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denphone 07-07-2016 18:16
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35848657)
and that's when the demise of the male of the species will begin ,we will be kept in a shed until breeding time :(
Well l know my station in life at home and ones suspects many other men do as well.:)

papa smurf 07-07-2016 18:22
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35848659)
Well l know my station in life at home and ones suspects many other men do as well.:)
i see the wifi reaches your shed as well ;)

richard s 07-07-2016 20:10
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Gove is out of the Tory leadership vote... payback is great.

denphone 07-07-2016 20:16
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35848661)
i see the wifi reaches your shed as well ;)
Sadly a humble man like me has no space for a shed in our little hobbits abode.:)

Damien 07-07-2016 21:03
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Not I like this members voting thing. Other than maybe encouraging participation from their grassroots it seems damaging. I prefer the idea of a those who are elected by the electorate in their constituencies choosing who leads them.

Chris 07-07-2016 21:20
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35848654)
Bring back Cameron.

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Although interesting the next PM will be a woman. 2nd in our history which although is obviously a bad sign historically but reflects pretty well on us in modern times. Next year we could have a Female President in the States too. 3 of the 5 biggest economies would have a female leader.
Makes you wonder how the "progressive" Labour Party has never managed even to elect a female party leader, let alone contribute a female PM to our country.

RBMark 07-07-2016 21:35
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35848690)
Makes you wonder how the "progressive" Labour Party has never managed even to elect a female party leader, let alone contribute a female PM to our country.
Meh, unless our next PM is a Transsexual , mixed race , mixed faith ,mixed sexuality ,atheist , celebate, wheel chair user then it's a clear case of discrimination.

Damien 07-07-2016 22:01
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35848690)
Makes you wonder how the "progressive" Labour Party has never managed even to elect a female party leader, let alone contribute a female PM to our country.
Brocialism: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/lif...cialism-rules/

I don't know. We're dealing with small sample sizes here and I would say it this time it's a rather unique set of circumstances that have led to this. Everyone had assumed it would be Osborne vs Johnson at some point but both had their chances scuppered by Brexit fallout.

I would also say that Labour weren't, in my view, ever that progressive a party until recently. I think it was very such the working man's party and people elevated via unions and other male-dominated cliques/clubs. The Conservatives have probably allowed the individual to go up more, more meritocratic, and thus less prone to jobs for the boys.

Just a guess though, I don't have in-depth knowledge of the history.

I would say the modern Labour party has become more progressive since New Labour though and I don't think there is any reason a woman would not become leader now expect for the Corbyn messiah complex. Plenty of talented female politicians in Labour too these days.

I also think Lendson is a loon so hopefully May will win although given the last year it's time to put money against that happening.

Mr K 08-07-2016 07:44
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35848701)

I also think Lendson is a loon so hopefully May will win although given the last year it's time to put money against that happening.
yes, but a lot of tory party members are loons, who the rest of us have to rely on to choose the next leader of the country....

Ignitionnet 08-07-2016 08:13
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35848727)
yes, but a lot of tory party members are loons, who the rest of us have to rely on to choose the next leader of the country....
Leadsom has set her stall out. You can imagine her being quite popular with the socially conservative Conservatives.

That her financial policies make Gordon Brown seem like the picture of restraint and prudence along with that she's full of excrement about pretty much everything will hopefully be highlighted and not drowned out by her religious, socially extreme credentials.

Her election would be disastrous.

denphone 08-07-2016 08:31
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35848730)
Leadsom has set her stall out. You can imagine her being quite popular with the socially conservative Conservatives.

That her financial policies make Gordon Brown seem like the picture of restraint and prudence along with that she's full of excrement about pretty much everything will hopefully be highlighted and not drowned out by her religious, socially extreme credentials.

Her election would be disastrous.
This.

papa smurf 08-07-2016 08:43
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35848733)
This.
this what ?

Ignitionnet 08-07-2016 08:43
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
I should mention I was referring to http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...int-power.html

Between this and the entryism in the Labour Party we'll need to have pilots saying "We're just landing at London Heathrow. Welcome to the UK, please remember to set your watch back 40 years."

denphone 08-07-2016 09:26
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35848734)
this what ?
That she is not the one that should be given the keys to 10 Downing Street.

papa smurf 08-07-2016 09:38
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35848743)
That she is not the one that should be given the keys to 10 Downing Street.
watch this space :)

Ignitionnet 08-07-2016 09:47
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35848743)
That she is not the one that should be given the keys to 10 Downing Street.
Some would be huge fans. Be the closest thing to having UKIP in charge.

techguyone 08-07-2016 09:51
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
It wouldn't be good, that said May is just another Tory clone, teflon like but mostly ineffective. Talk about Rock & hard place, Jesus some choices these days.

papa smurf 08-07-2016 10:40
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by techguyone (Post 35848748)
It wouldn't be good, that said May is just another Tory clone, teflon like but mostly ineffective. Talk about Rock & hard place, Jesus some choices these days.
but Theresa may's geography degree will no doubt be a great asset to the country .

much better than ledsoms degree in political science .

Ignitionnet 08-07-2016 11:21
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Not sure what your degree is in is really one of the big factors. Being way more UKIP that UKIP's only MP is more of an issue, both for the more liberal 'detoxifed' Tories and everyone else that isn't populist nationalist.

papa smurf 08-07-2016 11:49
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35848759)
Not sure what your degree is in is really one of the big factors. Being way more UKIP that UKIP's only MP is more of an issue, both for the more liberal 'detoxifed' Tories and everyone else that isn't populist nationalist.
its all about job prospects
Jobs directly related to your geography degree:

Cartographer
Commercial/residential surveyor
Environmental consultant
Geographical information systems officer
Planning and development surveyor
Secondary school teacher
Town planner
https://www.prospects.ac.uk/careers-...gree/geography

Damien 08-07-2016 21:46
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
http://news.sky.com/story/leadsom-cl...-edge-10496432

Quote:
Andrea Leadsom says being a mother makes her a better choice for Prime Minister than Theresa May because it gives her a “very real stake” in Britain’s future prosperity.

In highly personal remarks, the mother of three says she was sure the Home Secretary must be "really sad" not to have children as she suggested that her motherhood status meant she had more invested in the future than her leadership rival.
As well as being quite odd Leadsom is coming across as very nasty as well.

Mick 08-07-2016 22:31
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
No way - How to kill your career chances in one sentence . . .

Ignitionnet 08-07-2016 23:45
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Gets better.

Denied saying it and Times then produced transcript.

Evidently she hasn't reacquainted herself with reality after the referendum campaign and thought she could carry on lying.

She is either incompetent or a nasty piece of work. I am going to run with door number two based on her recent actions and policy positions, although with a pinch of incompetence. Competent politicians don't say things that unpleasant in interviews.

Over to the Conservative Party members.

denphone 09-07-2016 06:16
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
l cannot say l am surprised at all with these views and god help us if she ever becomes Prime Minister.

Damien 09-07-2016 06:47
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Radio 4 are playing the tape. She must have known she was recorded.

martyh 09-07-2016 06:50
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35848863)
http://news.sky.com/story/leadsom-cl...-edge-10496432



As well as being quite odd Leadsom is coming across as very nasty as well.
It is true though ,T May is sad at not having children ,she is unable to have children due to health reasons .It's still a horrible thing to use as ammunition by Leadsom.



Quote:
The Mays have no children, one of those “ultra-intrusive subjects” on which she has been silent until now. “It just didn’t happen,” she says quietly. “This isn’t something I generally go into, but things just turned out as they did.”
She admits to a sense of loss. “You look at families all the time and you see there is something there that you don’t have.”

This piece from 2012 is quite a good read to get some background on Theresa May

ianch99 09-07-2016 07:51
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Attempt at damage limitation by a Leadsom supporter on Today ... failing badly at trying to convince us that she doesn't have really bad judgement .. apart from just having bad policies :)

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Oh dear ..

Stephen Crabb embroiled in sexting scandal

Damien 09-07-2016 08:01
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
The thing is we can all assume this will damage her, be outraged and so on but it probably won't harm her at all. Already she is spinning she didn't say it, as are her supporters, despite the existence of the recording of her saying it. She could literally hit in front of a TV screen screen showing her saying it, deny it with a straight face and the anger would be directed at the 'lame-stream media'.

Same as the £350 million to the NHS were the Leave campaigners can deny they ever said it despite it being on their bus! Politics is mad.

ianch99 09-07-2016 08:06
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35848898)
The thing is we can all assume this will damage her, be outraged and so on but it probably won't harm her at all. Already she is spinning she didn't say it, as are her supporters, despite the existence of the recording of her saying it. She could literally hit in front of a TV screen screen showing her saying it, deny it with a straight face and the anger would be directed at the 'lame-stream media'.

Same as the £350 million to the NHS were the Leave campaigners can deny they ever said it despite it being on their bus! Politics is mad.
On their bus and on a poster behind Boris!

I know that politicians lie but the Brexit gang are perfecting the art :)

Nick Clegg, come back .. all is forgiven .. save us!

papa smurf 09-07-2016 08:21
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
[QUOTE=Ignitionnet;35848875]Gets better.

Denied saying it and Times then produced transcript.

Evidently she hasn't reacquainted herself with reality after the referendum campaign and thought she could carry on lying.

She is either incompetent or a nasty piece of work. I am going to run with door number two based on her recent actions and policy positions, although with a pinch of incompetence. Competent politicians don't say things that unpleasant in interviews.

Over to the Conservative Party members.[/QUOTE]

more old people ;)

denphone 09-07-2016 08:50
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Perhaps some of the Cable Forum members could put themselves forward as surely they would do a better job then most of the lying , sleazy , obfuscating MP's that are currently prevalent in the Houses of Commons.

papa smurf 09-07-2016 09:09
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35848903)
Perhaps some of the Cable Forum members could put themselves forward as surely they would do a better job then most of the lying , sleazy , obfuscating MP's that are currently prevalent in the Houses of Commons.
sadly the democratic process is beyond some of our membership ;)

Ignitionnet 09-07-2016 10:59
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/rememb...endum-5963900/

Of course that was fine, right?

Ian Hislop: 'Remainers are entitled to go on making the argument' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-3674269

That's democracy. Perhaps learn the process before levelling criticisms.

Osem 09-07-2016 11:31
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
If anyone thinks any of our glorious leaders are whiter than white, purer than pure, think again. Some are clearly far better/worse than others but I'd wager they've all said, done and thought things which, if they'd been recorded and subsequently made public, could easily damage or even destroy their reputations if not their careers. Often these things are made public at times such as these when there's an opportunity to damage one clique or the other. Sometimes the dirt is held in reserve for a rainy day and sometimes the media can 'engineer' situations in which politicians are deliberately lured into saying/saying things which they'll later regret. Is is better to have a consummate liar like Blair at the helm or someone who, perhaps, isn't quite as 'clever' or devious? :shrug:

papa smurf 09-07-2016 11:42
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35848914)
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/rememb...endum-5963900/

Of course that was fine, right?

Ian Hislop: 'Remainers are entitled to go on making the argument' - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-3674269

That's democracy. Perhaps learn the process before levelling criticisms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THWPJE4xaJM

Chrysalis 09-07-2016 15:28
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Never thought I would be hoping for may to be leader, but that other lady her background and the sort of policies she wants is scary.

Damien 09-07-2016 16:35
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
She seems to have her own version of the Cybernats/Corbynites who are currently harassing journos on Twitter accusing them of making up the story and circulating a fake Tweet from The Times 'apologising' for the story.

martyh 09-07-2016 16:40
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35848970)
She seems to have her own version of the Cybernats/Corbynites who are currently harassing journos on Twitter accusing them of making up the story and circulating a fake Tweet from The Times 'apologising' for the story.
The BBC played the tape this morning so it's a bit bloody hard to deny she said it and in the context of the whole interview it was leadsom that introduced motherhood or lack thereof into the interview not the journalist

Ignitionnet 09-07-2016 16:57
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35848922)
I didn't think you'd have much to say about the obvious hypocrisy.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35848970)
She seems to have her own version of the Cybernats/Corbynites who are currently harassing journos on Twitter accusing them of making up the story and circulating a fake Tweet from The Times 'apologising' for the story.
They've been really running for the past couple of days.

Buying into the post-fact, post-reality narrative.

The depths they are plumbing with their denial are astounding. First she said nothing of the sort, then she did but it was a set up, finally even if she did say it it doesn't matter.

Damien 09-07-2016 17:26
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35848975)
They've been really running for the past couple of days.

Buying into the post-fact, post-reality narrative.

The depths they are plumbing with their denial are astounding. First she said nothing of the sort, then she did but it was a set up, finally even if she did say it it doesn't matter.
The main thing they're hanging onto it seems is the fact she said in the interview that she didn't want to make the comparison which therefore means she didn't. You can't negate something you say by saying you never want to say it. It's from the same school of thought as saying 'I don't want to be racist but...'. :roll eyes:

All of these bizarre minons that rally behind people like a cult: Corbyn, Leadsom, Trump. It's scary.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35848971)
The BBC played the tape this morning so it's a bit bloody hard to deny she said it and in the context of the whole interview it was leadsom that introduced motherhood or lack thereof into the interview not the journalist
The interviewer brought up motherhood, in response to Leadsom doing the same in Brexit debates, but then Leadsom brought up the comparison with May and the idea that as a mother she is better placed to make decisions because 'she has a stake' in this country.

Gary L 09-07-2016 21:15
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Theresa popped round earlier and we discussed the future together over a drink.

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Jimmy-J 09-07-2016 21:31
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35849014)
Theresa popped round earlier and we discussed the future together over a drink.

[img][/img]
She's anybody's after a glass of Vimto.

Mr K 09-07-2016 22:10
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35849014)
Theresa popped round earlier and we discussed the future together over a drink.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/07/18.jpg
Keep your hands off ! The more I see the more besotted I am...

Didn't she claim to be teetotal earlier this week? naughty girl ;)

RizzyKing 10-07-2016 02:38
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Politician in lie\exaggerate shocker none of them are trustworthy or can be relied upon what a great time it is for politics and the choices for the public. I honestly don't think I can remember a time when so many people were put off politics not by the subject matter but those elected to handle it. Whatever way the referendum vote had gone wouldn't have changed the massive problem that now exists between the public and the politicians.

Hugh 10-07-2016 16:52
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35849019)
Keep your hands off ! The more I see the more besotted I am...

Didn't she claim to be teetotal earlier this week? naughty girl ;)
No, she didn't - you're making stuff up...

papa smurf 10-07-2016 17:20
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35849110)
No, she didn't - you're making stuff up...
she said she wasn't one for visiting the commons bar or something to that effect

Hugh 10-07-2016 17:31
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35849116)
she said she wasn't one for visiting the commons bar or something to that effect
Which is completely different from being teetotal...

She said
Quote:
I know I’m not a showy politician. I don’t tour the television studios. I don’t gossip about people over lunch. I don’t go drinking in Parliament’s bars. I don’t often wear my heart on my sleeve. I just get on with the job in front of me.

http://www.conservativehome.com/parl...full-text.html

papa smurf 10-07-2016 17:35
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35849119)
Which is completely different from being teetotal...

She said


http://www.conservativehome.com/parl...full-text.html
if there's some one with a booze problem i would say look at Angela Soubry

Mr K 10-07-2016 17:54
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35849110)
No, she didn't - you're making stuff up...
ooh as if I would ;), not as though I'm an MP is it ?

do you think a sense of humour exists on Cable Forum....:D

GrimUpNorth 10-07-2016 18:40
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35849125)
ooh as if I would ;), not as though I'm an MP is it ?

do you think a sense of humour exists on Cable Forum....:D
It's not the glass of wine that's bothering me (been known to have a cheeky glass or two myself) - its that she seems to be wearing a necklace and not much else. I know you're having a few 'thoughts' about her but the picture gives an impression that is just wrong ;).

Cheers

Grim

Mr K 10-07-2016 19:08
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35849133)
It's not the glass of wine that's bothering me (been known to have a cheeky glass or two myself) - its that she seems to be wearing a necklace and not much else. I know you're having a few 'thoughts' about her but the picture gives an impression that is just wrong ;).

Cheers

Grim
Bloody hell Grim I'm going to have to have a cold shower now.....

She'll deffo be the sexiest PM since John Major.

Hugh 10-07-2016 20:17
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35849125)
ooh as if I would ;), not as though I'm an MP is it ?

do you think a sense of humour exists on Cable Forum....:D
Obviously not, as someone immediately posted after you this statement
Quote:
Politician in lie\exaggerate shocker
When people make a statement like you did, especially those who have consistently denigrated politicians, people believe they are being serious.

Mr K 10-07-2016 20:42
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Oh dear , see I've upset the resident Tory boys. St. Theresa is going to save us all I'm sure of it*

* for the the avoidance of doubt I may or may not be serious ;)

Gary L 10-07-2016 21:34
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35849133)
It's not the glass of wine that's bothering me (been known to have a cheeky glass or two myself) - its that she seems to be wearing a necklace and not much else. I know you're having a few 'thoughts' about her but the picture gives an impression that is just wrong ;).
It was took at fag break time :)

Damien 11-07-2016 10:38
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Rumor is going around that Leadsom is about to pull out of the race.

Ignitionnet 11-07-2016 10:40
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35849210)
Rumor is going around that Leadsom is about to pull out of the race.
Certainly looks that way. A couple of sources have raised this.

techguyone 11-07-2016 10:41
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
She should, better to walk away with dignity (sic) than be pushed.

Derek 11-07-2016 10:43
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Theresa May as PM? *shudder*

martyh 11-07-2016 10:43
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35849210)
Rumor is going around that Leadsom is about to pull out of the race.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36763208


Andrea Leadsom expected to quit Conservative leadership bid, as source close to her tells BBC "abuse too great"

denphone 11-07-2016 10:55
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35849214)
Theresa May as PM? *shudder*
Sadly the best of a bad choice in my opinion and that's not saying much.

martyh 11-07-2016 11:07
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek (Post 35849214)
Theresa May as PM? *shudder*
Don't worry she'll be too concerned with Brexit to bother with a few stroppy coppers :)

Damien 11-07-2016 11:09
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
No one seems clear if this means May becomes PM automatically or someone else will run against her.

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I think a lot of Leave Tories will be upset she took their nomination and then has pulled out.

martyh 11-07-2016 11:12
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35849226)
No one seems clear if this means May becomes PM automatically or someone else will run against her.
Didn't similar happen with labour when Brown became leader and then PM because no one contested him ?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35849226)

[/COLOR]I think a lot of Leave Tories will be upset she took their nomination and then has pulled out.
Adds to the farcical nature of UK politics at the moment ,god only knows how the rest of the world see us

Damien 11-07-2016 11:14
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Iain Duncan Smith looks sad so that's something

denphone 11-07-2016 11:16
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
How deeply unedifying this is in our so called great democracy of ours..

dave6x 11-07-2016 11:26
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Andrea Leadsom has quit the leadership contest!

Where is that tax return that she promised to publish?

Damien 11-07-2016 11:34
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
1922 Chairman confirms May is the only candidate. She'll be the next PM.

RizzyKing 11-07-2016 11:56
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
If may sticks to what she's said today she will be a popular pm more so then any recent one of course we need to wait and see what happens when she's in.

Damien 11-07-2016 12:07
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
I know they've ruled it out but surely it's actually a good idea for the Tories to call an election now with Labour in such a mess?

denphone 11-07-2016 12:11
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Brown never called a election and May l suspect won't either but in my opinion they should of as they had no mandate given to them by the electorate in a general election.

Damien 11-07-2016 12:12
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35849243)
Brown never called a election and May l suspect won't either but in my opinion they should of as they had no mandate given to them by the electorate in a general election.
Yes but Brown not calling that election is viewed as a massive mistake now. Who knows what's to come from Brexit? It looks like there will be a recession at the very least, call a snap election now before the impact arrives and whilst Labour is in a mess.

martyh 11-07-2016 12:52
Re: Political leaders challenge
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35849244)
Yes but Brown not calling that election is viewed as a massive mistake now. Who knows what's to come from Brexit? It looks like there will be a recession at the very least, call a snap election now before the impact arrives and whilst Labour is in a mess.
I agree ,Labour would have most likely won the election had Brown called one and lets face it Cameron turned a lot Tory voters off,i feel certain that the Tories would win by a comfortable majority if

Kursk 11-07-2016 12:53
Re: [Updated] Theresa May set to become PM
 
So Boris Johnson is out; Michael Gove is out; Nigel Farage is out; Andrea Leadsom is out.

The Grey-Remainer is in. What a stitch up. WHAT A FRIGGING STITCH UP :mad:

martyh 11-07-2016 12:55
Re: [Updated] Theresa May set to become PM
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849252)
So Boris Johnson is out; Michael Gove is out; Nigel Farage is out; Andrea Leadsom is out.

The Grey-Remainer is in. What a stitch up. WHAT A FRIGGING STITCH UP :mad:
How so ?

Kursk 11-07-2016 12:57
Re: [Updated] Theresa May set to become PM
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35849254)
How so ?
In my view, a brexiteer ought to be in the driving seat.

Pierre 11-07-2016 13:00
Re: [Updated] Theresa May set to become PM
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849252)
So Boris Johnson is out; Michael Gove is out; Nigel Farage is out; Andrea Leadsom is out.

The Grey-Remainer is in. What a stitch up. WHAT A FRIGGING STITCH UP :mad:
Farage was never in.

Damien 11-07-2016 13:01
Re: [Updated] Theresa May set to become PM
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849252)
So Boris Johnson is out; Michael Gove is out; Nigel Farage is out; Andrea Leadsom is out.

The Grey-Remainer is in. What a stitch up. WHAT A FRIGGING STITCH UP :mad:
The Brexiters stitched themselves up.

Pierre 11-07-2016 13:02
Re: [Updated] Theresa May set to become PM
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849255)
In my view, a brexiteer ought to be in the driving seat.
I don't care as long as it is a Tory government and the best person that leads it. That is surely May.

Kursk 11-07-2016 13:02
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35849256)
Farage was never in.
He had the support of 3.8m voters.

Pierre 11-07-2016 13:03
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849259)
He had the support of 3.8m voters.
But he isn't in the Tory party so was therefore never in the race to lead it.

martyh 11-07-2016 13:03
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849255)
In my view, a brexiteer ought to be in the driving seat.
There isn't one capable of leading us out of Europe ,and if you say Boris was i will hunt you down and castrate you ;)

Besides i don't think TMay was 100% committed to remain ,or leave for that matter ,i think she only supported remain through loyalty to Cameron

Kursk 11-07-2016 13:06
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35849262)
There isn't one capable of leading us out of Europe ,and if you say Boris was i will hunt you down and castrate you ;)

Besides i don't think TMay was 100% committed to remain ,or leave for that matter ,i think she only supported remain through loyalty to Cameron
Michael Gove.

martyh 11-07-2016 13:11
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849264)
Michael Gove.
If he'd handled things differently then i would agree but he didn't ,he showed qualities that are not best suited to forming a stable government which is the most important thing at the moment .I would imagine that TMay will have a few Brexiters in her cabinet simply because she knows how to play the game

Damien 11-07-2016 13:12
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849264)
Michael Gove.
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/07/17.jpg

RizzyKing 11-07-2016 13:19
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Oh please Michael gove I'd rather we go leaderless then have him just because brexit won the vote doesn't mean everything has to have one involved I want the best person for the job out of the applicable candidates and like it or not may is it. She has committed to brexit she has given an assurance there will be no back entry back into the EU what more do you want. Personally I'm not completely convinced she is or ever was a staunch remainer but time will tell we need a leader that's willing to get things moving clearly isn't going to Cameron he is too busy lining up his private sector jobs to worry or do much for the country.

Kursk 11-07-2016 13:19
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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35849267)
....and like it or not may is it.
Oh no she isn't. Pantomime over.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35849265)
If he'd handled things differently then i would agree but he didn't ,he showed qualities that are not best suited to forming a stable government which is the most important thing at the moment .I would imagine that TMay will have a few Brexiters in her cabinet simply because she knows how to play the game
Political manoeuvring is different to running a Government.

She's no Maggie; she's more grey John Major. The wilderness beckons.

Osem 11-07-2016 13:45
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Who really thought Maggie was PM material until she became PM and proved herself one of the greats? ;)

martyh 11-07-2016 14:02
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Loving how the BBC have turned Leadsom into a 'leading light of the Brexit campaign' i never heard of her before the leadership race

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in her brief statement in Westminster, Mrs Leadsom - who was a leading light of the Brexit campaign - said a nine-week leadership campaign at such a "critical time" for the UK would be "highly undesirable".

Kursk 11-07-2016 14:10
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35849275)
Who really thought Maggie was PM material until she became PM and proved herself one of the greats? ;)
Maggie did.

Mrs May can manage a Department but not the Country.

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35849281)
Loving how the BBC have turned Leadsom into a 'leading light of the Brexit campaign' i never heard of her before the leadership race
Nor me. She was ill-equipped so 84 voters already got it wrong. Soon this drama will become our crisis.

Ignitionnet 11-07-2016 14:21
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Corbyn could learn some lessons from Leadsom.

Ms May has said a lot of things I like so far. Although she's an authoritarian nut job she does have some interesting plans and is somewhat Red Tory from what she's said which will appeal widely.

Stability is a key thing for right now. That and not being divisive as far as who voted what in the referendum - it's now irrelevant. The only issue is the deal we can secure as we leave, and that depends on negotiating skills, not preferences of individuals.

We may not have the direction I'd wish for but at least we'll have a direction.

Kursk 11-07-2016 14:32
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The referendum has liberated politics and the ensuing mayhem is a good thing.

Stability is an important target but we've chosen to stir the pot so stability will have to come in good time. We need to be forming the negotiation team and to be defining its parameters and making sure they reflect the majority decision.

Choosing the right path precedes following a direction.

heero_yuy 11-07-2016 14:38
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What's most important now is to have a hard nosed team negotiating with the EU. People with backbone and experience. People who will get us the best deal. People who know how to play hardball. None of this half-hearted Cameron nonsense.

It'll be interesting to see who TM chooses.

Kursk 11-07-2016 14:53
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I know who I'd appoint. Michael Gove (ruthless tactician), Ian Duncan Smith (meticulous eye for detail) and Tony Blair (duplicitous, cunning survivor). ;)

martyh 11-07-2016 15:11
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May to become PM on wednesday

Theresa May is set to be appointed the new prime minister on Wednesday, says David Cameron.

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-ma...esday-10498864

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Next question is when she will invoke A 50

Osem 11-07-2016 15:32
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849284)
Maggie did.

Mrs May can manage a Department but not the Country.
Many people said the same about Thatcher. May clearly believes she can so she has that in common with Maggie according to you. Only time will tell how well/badly she fares but neither of them will have had an easy introduction to life at No 10 that's for sure. Thatcher had out of control unions and flying pickets to contend with, May has Brexit. The coming months won't be boring.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35849289)
What's most important now is to have a hard nosed team negotiating with the EU. People with backbone and experience. People who will get us the best deal. People who know how to play hardball. None of this half-hearted Cameron nonsense.

It'll be interesting to see who TM chooses.
Amen to that. :tu:

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35849295)
May to become PM on wednesday

Theresa May is set to be appointed the new prime minister on Wednesday, says David Cameron.

http://news.sky.com/story/theresa-ma...esday-10498864

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Next question is when she will invoke A 50
My next question is when are she and Merkel going to have that cat fight?... :D

Ignitionnet 11-07-2016 15:41
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849288)
The referendum has liberated politics and the ensuing mayhem is a good thing.
The referendum has put politics into the gutter. The level of dishonesty used to win that referendum was unprecedented in my lifetime, and the fallout and recriminations from it have been ghastly.

We're all quite used to hyperbole and bending of truth, there was plenty of that from both sides. We also received a constant stream of out and out bull poop from both sides though far more from one than the other, and it worked. That isn't liberation it's just bull poop.

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35849288)
We need to be forming the negotiation team and to be defining its parameters and making sure they reflect the majority decision.
We need to ensure they reflect the best way forward for the country. We are a representative democracy. Parliament are sovereign, always have been incidentally regardless of the lies we were told, and I believed, and it's their job to deliver the best possible result.

If we ran the country based on mob rule it'd be a disaster.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35849289)
What's most important now is to have a hard nosed team negotiating with the EU. People with backbone and experience. People who will get us the best deal. People who know how to play hardball. None of this half-hearted Cameron nonsense.
Just FYI Cameron's deal was actually a lot better than it at first appeared, regardless of the lies we were all told.

We do need people to do what they can. They don't have a strong hand so negotiating skills will be absolutely vital.

It should be mentioned that all that will be discussed for the 2 years are the terms of our exit from the EU. It's extremely likely that we won't even finish that negotiation let alone secure a deal for our relationship post-leaving. That will take a decade or more if we actually try to secure one.

I think a lot of people are expecting us to give Article 50 and come away within 2 years having negotiated a great trade deal. Not happening. There is an incredible amount of work that needs to be done in that 2 years, which is why the sane people in Parliament aren't in a hurry.

In the interim the best us grunts can do is get heads down and as we were :)

RBMark 11-07-2016 15:53
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Naughty Naughty cable forum....tut tut....Open reach........Some one is in trouble.

papa smurf 11-07-2016 16:11
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35849303)
The referendum has put politics into the gutter. The level of dishonesty used to win that referendum was unprecedented in my lifetime, and the fallout and recriminations from it have been ghastly.
yawn
We're all quite used to hyperbole and bending of truth, there was plenty of that from both sides. We also received a constant stream of out and out bull poop from both sides though far more from one than the other, and it worked. That isn't liberation it's just bull poop.

change the tune

We need to ensure they reflect the best way forward for the country. We are a representative democracy. Parliament are sovereign, always have been incidentally regardless of the lies we were told, and I believed, and it's their job to deliver the best possible result.

If we ran the country based on mob rule it'd be a disaster.

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boooooring
Just FYI Cameron's deal was actually a lot better than it at first appeared, regardless of the lies we were all told.

We do need people to do what they can. They don't have a strong hand so negotiating skills will be absolutely vital.

It should be mentioned that all that will be discussed for the 2 years are the terms of our exit from the EU. It's extremely likely that we won't even finish that negotiation let alone secure a deal for our relationship post-leaving. That will take a decade or more if we actually try to secure one.
zzzzzzzzzz
I think a lot of people are expecting us to give Article 50 and come away within 2 years having negotiated a great trade deal. Not happening. There is an incredible amount of work that needs to be done in that 2 years, which is why the sane people in Parliament aren't in a hurry.

In the interim the best us grunts can do is get heads down and as we were :)
i think being so cheerful is what keeps you going

Kursk 11-07-2016 16:21
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35849299)
Many people said the same about Thatcher.
Did they? Whatever, performance and what the electorate think are key. Both of which have yet to be tested.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35849303)
The referendum has put politics into the gutter. The level of dishonesty used to win that referendum was unprecedented in my lifetime, and the fallout and recriminations from it have been ghastly.

We're all quite used to hyperbole and bending of truth, there was plenty of that from both sides. We also received a constant stream of out and out bull poop from both sides though far more from one than the other, and it worked. That isn't liberation it's just bull poop.
The misinfomation prior to the vote is unforgivable. However, it failed to detract the majority from the overriding desire to govern our own Country and to have control of immigration.

I should have specified that the result of the referendum is liberating not all the palaver that led up to it.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35849313)
i think being so cheerful is what keeps you going
To be fair, I have heard worse :D

techguyone 11-07-2016 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35849303)
The referendum has put politics into the gutter. The level of dishonesty used to win that referendum was unprecedented in my lifetime, and the fallout and recriminations from it have been ghastly.
I actually think that what it has done is shown that Politics was already in the gutter, the Tories for example have been bitch slapping each other over Europe since the late 80's, and Labour doesn't know if it's Red, Pink or light blue. It just made what had been kept quiet, public.
This is a good thing.
Now that everyone's aware of just how crappy ALL of the parties are now quite frankly, then there's every chance that something good may come out of it in the future.

I much prefer openness over secrets anyday.


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