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Must be about at the end of the cabinet resignations. There's hardly anyone left to resign.
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A shadow of its former self....
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More of a bedside table than a cabinet...
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My mistake. Kate Green, Shadow Women's Minister just quit.
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l think that is 28 resignations now.
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Senior Labour figures dropping like flies, this must be the post Brexit plague that the remainers forecast. :)
Arise the 'New SDP'?... |
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Time for a New Labour.
D. Milliband has arrived just in time to be parachuted into Jo Cox's seat. Leadership challenge straight after. |
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He'll need a nice catchy name for his newly reborn party - 'New New Labour' perhaps. :D
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Answering your post: I think Momentum are cuckoo and Corbyn electoral poison. Internal Labour polling and external opinion polls indicate this to be the case. I think this protest will just further deepen divides and worsen the situation. I think it's an incredibly bad idea for Labour MPs to be addressing protests against other Labour MPs. I didn't question their right to do it. I have a special interest in it due to the Labour Party membership card in my wallet, and the fact my MP is Hilary Benn, a man who I've met a number of times and hold in very high esteem even though we disagree on some things. That's all I have to say beyond that this was a one-off response as this was a different thread, and I perhaps stupidly thought you had something of value to add to the conversation so hit the 'View Post' link. More fool me. |
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I think the subject is more important then the title to be honest and this is getting a bit silly now all very modern labour though. This could create a huge problem for labour in the upcoming leadership election (I know it isn't official but it's got to happen) puts corbyn back in on the votes of ordinary members and likely the unions. What do labour MPs do then will they resign as MPs en masse very volatile situation and the last thing the country needs right now.
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Corbyn is struggling to find somebody to fill the Scottish brief with the resignation of their only MP north of the border.
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I'd wack Luciana Berger any day of the week.
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We really are just all screwed aren't we?
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More and more stories emerging indicating that Labour HQ were uncooperative if not downright obstructive of the remain campaign. I'm ignoring the percentages. The inner-city Labour voters went with remain but I doubt that's anything to do with Labour's campaigning. This bunker mentality Corbyn is adopting helps no-one, and the way in which his cabal are propping him up at the expense of the Party is grim. Quote:
These are the same people complaining loudest. This is incredibly frustrating. The Tories are a mess right now, government is paralysed, however the Conservative Party are at least relatively orderly, Labour are in open civil war with themselves, with a whole bunch of help from the SWP. I'm a member of a party whose leader is being propped up by this bunch: https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/06/10.jpg Pass me that Liberal Democrats application, please? |
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Looking at that rally, John Mcdonnell, I have just decided is as deluded as his bloody leader.
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Canada is a nice place, just saying.
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Fake account ;)
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They watched manufacturing jobs go abroad, an they survived, London bankers better learn customer service skills. Time to clean those rooms and answer those phones. ---------- Post added at 22:45 ---------- Previous post was at 22:43 ---------- Quote:
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I am lost for words.
Labour are self imploding akin to the tories in the 1990s, Labour has growing membership, the left finally had a voice, there is lots of support for corbyn from labour members, but his MPs seems stuck in a different world and want to go back to been a clone of the tory party. Who in their right mind thinks a party divided this public would convince the public to vote for them in a general election? The tories must be thinking they cannot believe their luck as otherwise the focus would be on them instead with their own EU divide. At first I thought corbyn been leader was crazy but it was pointed out to me it makes them a better opposition and it has, and it has brought more balance to politics. It would have been interesting to see how he would fare at a election, but looks like now we wont see that, as I cannot see anything other than a change of leader now, although it would be very funny if he won a new leadership challenge, the labour members telling their MPs for a second time they wrong. |
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The problem is Chrys, the referendum campaign has exposed just how utterly useless he is as a leader. That's why they're no longer prepared to put up with him.
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They need to be sensible about it, wait for him to lose an election and resign right after as is the fashion to do so.
Only very shortly ago their own members voted him in, they have to honour that vote and give him a chance. The referendum was a cross party national thing, it was not a FPTP vote meaning its much harder for parties to control the result like the undemocratic FPTP. He cannot be blamed for the result. It looks to me this must have been planned and they were just waiting for an excuse to start the coup. This is how a professional shadow cabinet member reacted, burnham. The one's who quit are acting like school children. Probably only concerned about if their own seat is safe rather than standing for principles. https://twitter.com/andyburnhammp/st...37387465826304 Quote:
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But he is simply unelectable and its looking quite likely that a general election could be in the offing way before the agreed 2020 date.
---------- Post added at 16:38 ---------- Previous post was at 16:32 ---------- Jeremy Corbyn loses no confidence vote by 176 to 44. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-36570120 |
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Only read this page of the thread but Corbyn may have good ideas but is not and never will be a leader.
He was a europhile before being elected and then had to be a proEU leader????? Get real! |
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I must say that Corbyn's doing an excellent impression of a Brussels Eurocrat - head in the sand, total denial, everyone else is wrong, there are no coalition tanks in Baghdad...
It's truly laughable and what's even sadder is that there are still some folks out there who think Corbyn is a breath of fresh air. :rofl: |
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So how will all these backstabbing MP's act when corbyn is voted back in as leader again? The previous leader miliband and acting leader harmen were just rubber stamping tory decisions, thats not a credible opposition. |
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I mention the referendum as regardless of whether he was supporting the Leave or Remain campaign, he is opposition leader during a process that could have serious consequences for both the country and our I political system. I would expect him to have faught tooth and nail. I would expect him to have been on every TV and Radio show he could. Loathe him or Like him, David Cameron did that. All I saw from Jeremy Corbyn was a couple of emails that, frankly, could have come from an admin assistant in his office. |
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As an observer I cannot say I remember anything of substance regarding corbyn he has been very much a grey man and at this time with everything going on I would have expected a half decent leader of the opposition to be making ground and taking at least one of the many easy shots at the current government. He is conspicuous by his apparent absence from current events which may please some labour voters but I'm guessing most are asking the same question as the rest of us "where is the opposition".
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He's actually being a truer politician than all of the rest.
He was elected by the Labour party (not MP's) and until his party tell him to sod off, he ain't going to shift. It shows conviction for one thing, something no other politician seems to have. Shame that, it's the only thing he has, and it's only in that area. Even CMD said it wasn't good for the Country to have an opposition so useless. |
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While he has personal qualities that may be admirable they mean nothing if they don't translate into an effective opposition leader and he is anything but. Right now should be political opposition Xmas and instead we seem to have a competition between labour and conservatives on who can implode biggest and fastest it's totally ridiculous. Never has politics in the UK been lower then it is right now and we the electorate have to take our share of the blame, for too long too many of us have voted colour rather then best person for the job and it's coming back to royally bite us.
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As l understand it, someone else from the Shadow Cabinet is resigning. As Corbyn role is now Untenable.
I have today sent two emails to Labour Party HQ, and also there is an email on the Internet, from the Labour Party, that l have signed. Mr Corbyn has no option but to resign. Labour MPs are falling by the wayside. And the party is falling to pieces. Labour need a strong leader, to take on an Election, which is almost certain for October. As the new Tory leader, will want another five years (heaven forbid) |
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news Arthur but the chances of labour winning an election this year or next is about as good as me winning the lottery.
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Rizzy, l totally agree with you. I think as soon as the new Tory leader I announced. He or She will go straight t the Country
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The 10 biggest unions have just posted a joint letter, which whilst supporting Mr Corbyn, is somewhat ambiguous...
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Damned with faint praise ...
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That union response seems very by the book not overly supporting corbyn but not overly backing the mp's all very half hearted which I think is labours problem at the minute. There is a clear split between the labour membership and how they voted last year and the reality of corbyn's tenure, I'm not going to call it leadership as it doesn't qualify by any of the usual markers of leadership. I've had a quick look much as my fuddled head will stand at the minute but this momentum organisation looks very unpleasant and something I'd have expected to see in the old days in eastern Europe not what 21st century uk is about at all.
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Yes l heard rumours of that yesterday so we shall see what transpires in the coming days.
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From a rally in support of Jeremy Corbyn yesterday *sigh*.
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I think they're good. Excellent use of multi-coloured pens and recycled cardboard, not a spelling mistake in sight. I'm all for good democratic peaceful protest, its all we've got left, better than just posting on forums all the time... ;)
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Looks as though this is petering out, and the PLP is too scared to go their own way and is aiming to appease.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...byn-and-watson This was a great opportunity to build a progressive coalition with the Liberal Democrats, a better reflection of who they are, pro-EU, liberal, meritocratic, fiscally responsible but ready to invest, and they don't appear to have the courage to do so. Given Labour appears to be a combination of cowards and Corbynites it's clearly not the place for my membership subs. |
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Labour's membership has essentially been hijacked and the PLP are not on solid ground. They would have gone for the challenge but Corbyn is automatically put on the ballot and then with another highly motivated push from Momentum, the Greens and the SWP they may well lose again at which point they're screwed.
Starting another party or joining the Liberal Democrats is just as risky too. First of all it would trigger a wave of by-elections which could only really cost them and split the left and give the Tories a bigger majority and UKIP some seats. Finally with the Unions funding Labour then where does the cash for this new party come from? Individual donors tend to prefer the Tories and Unions Labour. You would need rich liberal donors and the Lib Dems have always struggled to find them. I think the siege approach might be best for now. Signs are the will of the membership, maybe even Corbyn, is wilting over time and the longer they stick this out the harder it is for Corbyn to continue. Plus Chilcot reports tomorrow which will take the wind of their sails for a bit. |
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I see that there are now attempts to broker peace within the Labour Party.
I have taken the liberty of informing my Constituency Labour Party that the rebels are cowards, and their dogma selfish. They are all about saving Labour when it is clear Labour is beyond saving and the country needs a viable opposition. That they put the colour of their rosette ahead of the country doesn't work for me but, then, I always found Labour weird and never really had an attachment to it. |
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Why join their party then?
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