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May be we need to set up a counter petition requesting that we don't have a second referendum.

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London has always been independent of the rest of the uk its only just woke up to that fact after the referendum ;)

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Stop worrying about internet petitions. They never do anything. Might as well start a poxy hashtag for all it's worth.

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They are trying to panic the government to start before they have sorted out their negotiating strategy in the hope that they will be unprepared or they will make mistakes.

An interim statement by the government should relieve the tension felt.

As far as I know, it's up to us to decide when we want to trigger Article 50 and we'll do so when we are ready.

Given that David Cameron was so out of touch with the views of ordinary people you do wonder what impression of the EU situation he conveyed to the other 27 leaders who seemed to think it was a done deal.

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This petition says..

"We the undersigned call upon HM Government to implement a rule that if the remain or leave vote is less than 60% based a turnout less than 75% there should be another referendum."

So you're signing for a new rule to be implemented in the future. you're not signing to 'demand' a second referendum based on the one just taken place. just any future ones.

it's really badly worded.

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Or a third petition requesting a third referendum, then remains can have a forth, then leave have a fifth. I just don't think it's possible to over rule a democratic vote in a democratic country.

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Absolutely. LOL!!

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Yes There was something I heard on tv about preparing for a massive influx before we leave the EU but don't know how much truth there was in it.

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I think secretly they wanted us to vote leave. One spokesperson on tv said we were moaners and there's not a lot of love lost. Junkyard seems to want rid of us quickly. Makes you wonder?

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What's the reason for a second ref?

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Because they're bad losers.

there's winners and there's losers in life.
some people can't bare being losers.

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They did that in Scotland in the 70s and though yes were in the majority for an assembly they didn't get it.

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The EU tolerated but restricted us while we were in and now that we have voted for Brexit they have realised that as well as not having our contribution a bad trade deal may mean that they will not have as much income from the British market as they hoped.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in that meeting of the 6 EU founders. It will be really interesting to hear what they decide.

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I've neither been hate-filled or anti-UK. I've been realistic. The UK has never been a good fit for the EU as it stands, always an odd one out.

I'll post here for as long as those who own the site permit me to, and whatever I want as long as it's within the rules, thanks.

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Absolutely not. Businesses and the financial markets need some time to stabilise.

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Indeed. What can they do, threaten to kick us out? ;)

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There's potential for a spike in outward migration as well, though. It's sadly unlikely that those coming in would match the 'calibre' of those going out. Bit of a brain drain.

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They didn't really restrict us any more than anyone else to be fair. They tolerated us, we tolerated them, we moaned incessantly about them, they moaned incessantly about us.

See if either side starts singing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMYUYtsUGgg

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[QUOTE=Big Brian;35845493]Yes There was something I heard on tv about preparing for a massive influx before we leave the EU but don't know how much truth there was in it.[COLOR="Silver"]

we have our bit covered

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boarder control seems a little tighter

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Coincidentally Tankfest is on this weekend :)

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Why would we need to have border controls in Calais?

Is it part of the UK now?

Why do we seem to have a responsibility to all the people camping in France (who aren't even European) because they seem to think they can come here?

They are not in our country and are not our problem. Perhaps if France had moved them on rather than let them build shanty cities in their Country there wouldn't be a need to do anymore than that.

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UK's EU commissioner Lord Hill to resign

wonder how this un-elected official is going to replace the 20 grand a month wage

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That agreement is between us and France and nothing to do with the EU. Though the Mayor of some town wants it scrapped it's up to ours' and Frances' Governments. I think it will hold for a few years yet. Can't you see why? They drown on the way to France, we can't have them drowning after they leave France can we?

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Anybody looking for a job i would suggest UK border control :D

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We have the border in Calais so they can't come here before we see who they are. If it was in Dover those camps would be here.

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Degaulle was visionary... so he said "NON!"

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...?cb=1369058398

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Umm still not really getting it. Isn't this what border control is for, so any Tom Dick or Harry doesn't just roll up, last time I checked we were an Island, why exactly would we be obliged to have a camp in Dover?

I must be getting old.

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Hysterics. Ya.

http://news.efinancialcareers.com/uk...s-brexit/?_ga=

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Without the European human rights sticking their nose in which we're no longer obliged to listen to, we can just kick illegal immigrants out

and/or stick'em in a prison like facility so they don't 'disappear' until we can send them back

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The border is at Dover, not Calais. The agreements lets us put our border controls on the French side so that nobody is on this island (from Calais anyway) without going though our border control.

It's useful.

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To where? And we still have Human rights.

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Technically we are not an Island as we are connected by the Chunnel. However, I suspect the agreement is so they can stop them getting on boats and trains from the French side. If they got on the trains they could end up anywhere.

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Um not really, We still have to obey EU regulations till we are out.

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Surely that's down to the operators of the ferries etc, make it a ginormous fine for each one sent through, should stop all that nonsense.

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The European Court of Human Rights is nothing to do with EU if I recall correctly and the ECHR can still make judgements that we will adhere to even when we are out of the EU

It is the European Court of Justice that is the EU led one.

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Correct. The ECHR is the enforcement arm of the Council of Europe, of which we are still a member, along with a lot of other non-EU countries including, somewhat amusingly, Russia.

The European Court of Justice is the body charged with ensuring EU member states adhere to the treaties and EU law, and has the power to judge a piece of domestic legislation is incompatible with EU law (as the Scottish Government discovered earlier this year, with regards to its alcohol minimum pricing legislation).

Leave the EU and the ECJ has no jurisdiction over you, but leaving the EU does not take you out of reach of the ECHR.

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You can just hear all those Brexiters going ....but i thought.............ooooh :D

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Scotland to seek immediate talks with Brussels to secure their place in the EU. Second referendum for independence on the cards. BBC News

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Whatever happens we need to treat all immigrants fairly and with respect. There may be some immigrants who may have no legal right to be here but that's not an excuse for treating them in a cruel or humiliating way.

We have to remember that there are plenty of legal immigrants who may take offence if one of their fellow nationals is ill-treated.

It also wouldn't send out a very good message about the type of people we are.

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Not me. I knew the difference

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I totally agree.

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Even if Scotland got its independence they would be in the same position as us trying to negotiate trade talks. It could take some time.

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I know ;) just a tongue in cheek comment on some of the barmy reasons some people have voted to leave ,not that i'm complaining of course :)

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I'm not sure they can, Sturgeon can stamp her foot how she likes, it doesn't mean diddly.

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I think she is preparing the ground for a possible new independence referendum in the hope that once free of the UK the EU will let Scotland join at an accelerated rate.

I suspect that given the apparent anger at the UK generally the EU probably doesn't really want anything to do with us.

Wonder if the remain areas of London are thinking of going independent too!! ;)

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I dare say some may not know the difference.

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Normally, I'd agree majority rules but this is a different case. Scotland has her own Parliament and could be independent in 2 years.

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It is just possible London could become a State within a State like the Vatican.

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Good article here: http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/06/b...-great-divide/

He is right about the overlooked people in society although I think he makes the same generalisations of Remainers as he accuses them of making about Leavers.

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Nope. I think London should have more devolved powers though. It is getting to the point where policy needs to be different, i.e housing, than the rest of the country. I am not sure what it would involve exactly but the country can't be helped by a London-centric focus and London can't be helped by measures targeting the rest of the country.

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Spoke to a friend in the US who works for JP Morgan Chase and she confirms an internal memo to this effect: the Bank is drawing up contingency plans to relocate key divisions from the UK.

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Hopefully Brexit means some positive changes for London, go to Paris experience the rich heritage of France and hear the amazing French language every where you go. Infact that's the same all European Capital city's. Now go for a day trip to London the capital of England..................

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You've had a friend/colleague/neighbour/relative who has experienced/confirmed everything that's been stated about Brexit so far. Amazing, see you're busy on DS....

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Interesting article. Reminds me of the French Revolution with the Aristocrats on one side and the French peasants on the other.;)

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Might affect the child benefit they can send home to children that don't live herr

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Yes it is a interesting read.

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You are right though. As I mentioned earlier, the French are feeling under no obligation to host UK Border Control. Indeed, why should they when we are now leaving the EU?

If migrants want to come to the UK, the UK will have to handle it. The French can just watch and drink their wine :)

If the migrants do make it across the Channel then there may well be a camp in Dover.

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Is it that you just do not like people having different opinions to you? As far as I can tell, you think someone that debates anything contrary to your position requires insulting ... where did you learn this debating style?

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My nephew has insisted his mother applies for a German passport so he can work abroad, as an Arabic translator I've told him his skills will be much in demand without the need for duel nationality

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Or because the Strasbourg (iirc) treaty we signed up to won't allow it

I can't remember where I heard this but doesn't the great in Britain refer to our location to Brittany, Greater and lesser, it was never to do with self congratulation or jingoism

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https://next.ft.com/content/a3a92744...5-82a9b15a8ee7

To be expected. Hopefully we'll keep most of it though. We have to try and ensure services in included in any agreement.

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Correct. Makes more sense in French, where their province is Bretagne and we are Grand Bretagne.

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This was one of the gambling banks that in this case had to bailed out by the fed to the tune of $100m. Not exactly a shining example of probity.

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There's a plan, the remain side should've pushed to hear what it was, things could've been different if they'd concentrated on what the opposition were saying and expected the future to hold rather than painting scary pictures of wwiii

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I was in Bretagne last weekend and there were so many English people! Not really relevant I guess but it's this region of France that must just have lots of expats for some reason, not sure why because the weather is no better. :confused:

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Good post on the challenges of another IndyRef in Scotland: https://next.ft.com/content/4610a46e...6-a4a71e8140b0

Incidentally Scottish Labour haven't ruled out supporting it and the Scottish LibDems, such as they are, will meet this week to decide their stance.

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What Remainers should have done over the last six months is give us some of the euro-co-operation, we're-in-this-together, our-identity-is-European-and-proud they've been carpet bombing Facebook with over the last 24 hours. Who knows, they might just have impressed on some people how much this all mattered to them. But all we got was the official line, the threats of the budget from hell and all the rest of it.

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Indeed I can't recall any positive message on remaining in the EU. All we got was project fear and increasingly stupid, ridiculous, and finally fantasy statements about the supposed dire consequences of leaving. No wonder the electorate rejected them.

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Your link is behind a payroll.

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I do expect a budget though ,there will have to be a lot of our finances re-targeted to allow for extra civil servants to accomplish the job ahead ,and i'll bet that because we've been in the EU so long there won't be many experienced negotiators around

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George Osborne's biggest mistake was not to quote figures in support of his argument.

He could have quoted the gross payment we make to the EU along with the rebate and grants received covering a period, say, of the last five years.

These would be concrete provable facts. He didn't.

He said there would be a £30 billion hole in our public finances if we left but did not explain how he arrived at the figures.

He has completely destroyed his credibility.

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Im surprised that the EU haven't rolled over yet, they're more arrogant than I thought they were.

Still, there's time yet for a settlement.

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Apart from if the economy tanks big time..............

What real material differences will impact old Jo public?

I can't think of any.

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What settlement ? and roll over ? if you think the EU will all of a sudden capitulate and give UK special status in the community then you are sadly very mistaken .

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Also Wales and Cornwall so far have come out and called for the government to match their EU funding so that'll have to be done.

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No it won't.

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In the short term maybe but Wales voted by a large majority to leave knowing full well that it would be an end to EU subsidies .

Any idea how long we will continue paying into the EU or receiving money.Does that stop immediately or in 2 yrs ?

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I would expect that until we cease to be member we pay in and also receive the benefits of membership.

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It'll take a bit of time before the Germans can take up the slack and pay what we were. I wonder how Merkle will sell that along with the millions of immigrants that also will be costing?

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Not sure how many times it has to be repeated that they can't and won't roll over, as if they do the EU is toast. Any agreement must leave them able to point to advantages for other nations of remaining.

The only option other than that is reform of the entire EU and there isn't time for that even if there were the appetite.

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I think that it's a real possibility.

Boris will win the Tory leadership and the Labour Party will have a leadership contest too, with both new leaders going head to head. Tory- out, Labour- in (after getting more concessions in the problematic areas to appease enough out voters to tip the balance in remains favour).

After this result, Labour are in an excellent bargaining position to get what's best for the UK and remain in the EU. If the EU don't play ball, they will lose the UK, which could start the collapse of the whole EU and they don't want that to happen.

The next GE will essentially be another EU referendum.

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Yes. Until we leave nothing changes. The vote set a course, we haven't taken it yet.

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That's what i thought ,after all we are still liable to the rules and regs untill we leave

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I've just reading across various social media sites and forums, Remainers are branding Leavers as racist LOLOLOL.

I think if Britian had 17 million racists it would not be the amazing country it is, also Welsh Remainers declaring they are now supporting Northern Ireland in the Euros, how closed minded can people be?

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Regarding the Labour leadership: Corbyn is going nowhere. Even if he is ousted by the PLP he has said he would stand again. And he would win, no question.

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Where does the working class look for their representatives?

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We are not due a GE until 2020 and we cannot put of starting the leave process until then .The voters have made the decision ,the next decision is for the Tories to choose a leader to best remove us from the EU

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It carries on till the day we leave. As does the free movement, be funny if Farages predictions of three million Romanians packing their bags and coming here came true on the strength of leaving :D

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From their own, not the epitome of the left-wing metropolitan elite that so spectacular failed to connect with them and caused them to lash out.

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Heh. We Nat well be teasing then for a couple of million of our more educated and skilled.

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Yeah....funny as hell

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I think we're allowed to shoot them now.

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don't say that, some nutter will believe you

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That would be fun to watch though, hope that happens.

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It's ok. he doesn't have a gun.

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Were you a Remain campaigner? Are you sore about the referendum result?

Check out these 12 top self-comforting strategies.

1.) Call every white person who voted Leave a "racist", ignoring the fact that Europeans are also white. Make sure you ignore and marginalise ethnic minority leave voters.

2.) Claim that the (huge) turnout wasn't high enough. 72%? It should have been at least 75%! 80%? It should have been 85%! Make sure to keep moving the goalposts.

3.) Make a stupid e-petition demanding another referendum, just like the socialists did when Labour lost last year. We need to keep having referendums until we get the "right" result.

4.) Get over-excited about the economy, even if the impact has been pretty boring and mundane. Pretend that your 2:2 in English Literature makes you an expert on currency markets.

5.) Attack the very idea of Democracy, because it's only a good thing when it goes the way you want it to. Working class voters don't know what's good for them, but middle class liberals definitely do.

6.) Share memes bashing Brexit, ignoring the unwelcome and uncomfortable realisation that you are in the minority of public opinion.

7.) Boldly claim that Scotland will leave the UK, forgetting that A) they can't afford to B) the EU can't afford to take them C) 1.6m remain votes don't cancel out 2m NO votes.

8.) Make fun of Boris Johnson while sweating slightly and really hoping he doesn't become Prime Minister.

9.) Learn absolutely nothing from the campaign, blaming the result on everyone but yourself. Scaremongering and bullying are clearly the best tactics to use, there's no way they could possibly backfire.

10.) Curl up in a ball and cry yourself to sleep while listening to "Ode to Joy".
11} jack your job in cos you can't get your own way
12 ] start blubing -and hope they will beg you to turn around [cos your good at that]

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It's crazy Londons Remainers are saying Leave vote is a racist vote, has anyone been to London? Immigrants left homeless on the streets. Horrifically deprived areas almost completly inhabited by black/Asian/ethnic minority's, entire family's forced to live in 1 room flats.

All this within 2 miles of almost 100% white areas of wealthy, extremely wealthy people. There doesn't seem to be any intergration when compared to Birmigham, Manchester, Newcastle ect ect. Londoners have selfishly voted based on worries about the bank balance and bank accounts.

F we don't Brexit there should be a 4 week national strike, and Leavers should constantly MAKE SURE they're heard until we get what we democraticly voted for.

I keep reading Brexiters are poor uneducated racist idiots, were not, but I get the feeling the country may regret it if they don't listen to us.

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No one said that - what actually happened was that the pollsters reported that the demographic breakdown of those who said they were going to vote to Leave were mainly older working class people who had not undertaken Higher Education; the tabloid rags (Mail, Express, etc.) then twisted this, and some Brexiteers played the Victim card and insisted Stay voters were saying this.

A few may have, but judging all Stay voters by these idiots is like classifying all Brexiteers by the EDL/NF supporters who also wanted to leave...

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I can't comment on racist but the other two are generally the case. The poorer members of our society and retirees voted in a plurality to leave. Higher levels of education correlated with voting to remain, as did higher social group status.

I apologise in advance for bringing facts into the discussion.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06...voted-and-why/

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Wow, we have 17 million uneducated poor people in the uk aged over 18. How has this been allowed to happen, and what do we do about it?

We accept your facts, what do you think we should do about this? Telling ourselves we are a inclusive caring wealthy country, but 40% of people over 18 are poor and uneducated. We are third world. Or as most of these people live outside of London and are white do we ignore this?

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its good job we wuz lernt to yewz a pencul init coz weez wun x

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Didn't say that and those aren't my facts, those are Lord Ashcroft's.

Well we could try investing more in areas where there are more poor people in order to allow them to become wealthier.

The ERDF was doing that in Cornwall especially due to it having a GDP of less than 75% the EU average, but also places like here, Leeds, through the Leeds Enterprise Partnership, though obviously that's going to stop and Westminster is unlikely to take up the slack, it'll be too busy fumbling for the £350 million a week that was allegedly going to be funding the NHS.

On another note here's an interesting graphic from Lord Ashcroft on motivations for voting one way or another. Surprising such an inclusive, caring, wealthy country would place such a premium on border controls and immigration when our immigration levels per head of population are considerably below those of countries like Canada, Australia and various others.

Likewise surprising so many people within our inclusive and caring country that voted to leave seem so vehemently against an EEA-EFTA solution when we leave the EU - it would restore the ability to control our own laws, after all.

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I used to be a strong advocate of direct democracy and power being placed as closely as possible to those it affected as I'm sure I said. Then I saw the result of this referendum and as I watched the coverage afterwards learned more and more about so may people's motivations for their vote and now really doubt that it's such a good idea.

Lots of people saying they were doing it as a protest vote and to stick the fingers up to the establishment. If the vote were held again on Monday remain would win by a country mile now the reality of it all has hit home.

I guess what's most ironic about your post is that while there you're being sarcastic in the post before your standard of English would be unacceptable for someone leaving primary school. Full stops are required at the end of each item in a list like that one. The rest I've emboldened. You're welcome.

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wellthattoldme.,'...

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So because I voted leave I'm uneducated, really is there any end to the utter excrement remain supporters will spew to try and defend a bad campaign, badly presented and horrendously represented. Oh I'm sorry I used words that a leave voter shouldn't have I should stick to four letter words as per my education level. Remain were so convinced that they were right and arrogant that we would fall into line they never ran a campaign of information or positivity just throw enough scare tactics at the plebs and the job will be done.

It was clear weeks before the vote that the fear mongering wasn't working but they didn't have the ability or imagination to change tactics they just increased the level of the fear mongering, and we are uneducated. Now is the time to start repairing the divides within the UK not to enlarge those divides further as some seem to want, in fact I don't think some remainers will be happy unless there is civil strife and total economic collapse all so they can continue feeling smug and superior to the uneducated who didn't bow down and fall into their line.

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I didn't say that, and who said I voted remain?

To clear any kind of doubt:

According to Lord Ashcroft's data level of education correlated with likelihood of a remain vote, as did social status group.

So, everyone enjoying the BS we were sold unravelling as the faces behind Leave realise that they actually have to back it up?

Everyone enjoying Boris and Gove realising that Cameron has left them the poison chalice of having to initiate article 50?

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This is damn funny in an extremely dark way.

2nd highest rated comment:

What a surprise. Brexiter backtracking on the immigration remarks.

Dan Hannan doing much the same.

They may not have said 'reduce' but they knew very well that's what people thought.

As Anne above remarked all we got from both sides was scaremongering.

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Sorry, but you did say you were posting FACTS!!!!! so do you believe in what you posted as a fact or not?

Ignition, as a respected member you are coming out this very very badly. Voice your opinions not those of the horrid devisive Remain campaigners. Basically be brave and honest enough to give your own opinions, do not hide behind the opinions of others! It's very very weak.

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My comment wasn't aimed at you ignit it was aimed at Ashcroft and the remain supporters repeating it and I think using that sort of language is disgusting unless the aim is to further damage the UK. This is starting to get stupid and everyone needs to just accept the vote and move forward, I made my feelings clear on both campaigns before the vote and also made it clear that people were going to have to look for themselves if they wanted real information to base their vote on as neither side was interested in real information. But the continuing barrage of abuse that's getting thrown at leave voters is pathetic and demonstrates just how democratic some people are which is basically only when it's what they want.

Time is needed now to construct the path forward because I don't think it was just the remain side that took the result for granted I don't think Boris and gove really thought they would win either. As I said this is now the time to start repairing our country not damage it further.

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Ashcroft is a Leave supporter and he didn't invent the data, it was from his exit poll. Those where the demographics. It's an interesting poll by the way because it shows the class and social divisions that now exist in the UK.

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This rhetoric is unnecessary and unhelpful.

Just leave it.

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The poll is based on a large enough sample size for any other conclusion to be outside the margin of error, so fact.

Whether I agree with the poll is irrelevant to it being factual or not, but I do. I've no reason not to as I've seen no data that disagrees. I can't take ownership of his organisation's work hence the facts aren't mine, however the citation is.

Polls done by multiple companies repeated his findings. YouGov come to mind immediately.

I'm happily voicing my own opinions as freely as possible within the scope of the forum rules.

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Unhelpful or not that's the data. We've had plenty enough suppression of facts before the vote from the various BS-mongers. Whether it presents the result in a good or a bad light it is what it is and it doesn't change anything.

There will be plenty of other facts that are unhelpful and will damage the UK. Anyone who claims that we won't at least in the short term be harmed in some ways by the decision is either lying or deluded.

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Can't fix problems until you've identified them.

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I'm relatively low educated my maths is crap and so is my spelling, I got low grades in school and as I got older just about managed to get myself through Uni to get a Foundation Degree/HND.

I have had different jobs in the manufacturing industry, served 2 years in the Navy (wasn't for me) and now work for the NHS as a Band 2 clinical support worker on 18k a year.

Take it how you want. I still got a vote and I voted out.

We could talk about all these EU GOVs and even our own who are much better educated than me but then where has that got us.

Sometimes common sense out weighs education don't you think

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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I do like how first we get called a Racist for voting out now we are being called uneducated for voting out.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I must've missed the part where you were able to tell other members whether they were voicing their personal views or had the right to know how they voted in secret ballots.

My mistake.

I've posted plenty of things on here I regret. I remember them just fine, and it reminds me to try and be better.

Voicing my opinion as requested you are likely someone who has been a member here before and been banned, possibly due to losing your temper and posting things like the above.

Regardless, please do thank your reminding me what a stroppy tool I used to be for my not rising to it.

I've no idea whether you are rich or poor, educated or not, after that post you are someone I've zero interest in further dialogue with. :)

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Anyone who tars everyone who voted leave with either of those brushes is being no better than the behaviour they accused you of.

Of course some racist people voted to leave because they are racist. Obviously plenty of people without a trace of racism also voted to leave.

As far as uneducated goes, most less educated people voted leave, far from all people who voted leave are uneducated. That's what the data says.