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Really? I think most people reading this thread are puzzled why you are so angry. People have different opinions so you need to accept this .. sort of par for the course on a public forum.

Your current strategy of insulting people who disagree with you isn't the best approach .. no wonder you disable your forum reputation.

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You tell me?.

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well it could fund 3,500 £20,000 cars
or
411,764 road fund licenses at an average £170 [more if the tax is less /less if the tax is more per vehicle] thats if they do road fund licenses i'm not a motability boffin

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Expertly answered Papa :).

Most people probably realise that there are £70m reasons for my 'anger'.

My current strategy is tit for tat although I have not sworn at anyone or called them an idiot or implied they are morally bankrupt. You seem to have missed the earlier discussion about forum reputation which I choose to disable because I am free to do so. Seeing as you too have checked on my 'likeability rating', you're entitled to know it is in fact better than yours. Hang your head in shame :dozey:.

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Really? ... come back when you've grown up ..

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It was YOU who raised the subject. I'm back - please feel free to raise anything of a grown up nature in relation to Motability swindling which is the subject of this thread :erm:.

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Damn, I need more popcorn, just carry on without me :D

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Here, have some of mine: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...32-popcorn.gif

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Don't go, you're the only one left :)

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Your angry because you expected a flurry of support from members when you started a thread in an attempt to slag off Motability users basing your conclusions purely on 1 hour casual observance in a Kwikfit garage .You accused the Motability customers (assuming they where Motability users and not simply other lease holders such as myself) of fraud because you didn't see any money change hands and then accused the Garage workers of aiding the fraud,when you didn't get the support you expected you got angry ...

You have repeatedly failed to understand that the 70 million fraud figure you use to justify your attitude is minuscule when compared to other benefit fraud and even the official error figures of DLA(£110m) are a lot higher than the fraud figures and i would hazzard a guess that when you separate the higher and lower rate DLA figures the fraud will be even lower .

You have dug yourself into a hole you have no hope of getting out

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;)

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:dunce:

Now this is a worry; I'm beginning to lose my audience :knock:.

What I need is a hero; someone who will say the same things over and over again; someone desperate to be noticed; someone who conceives weak-minded theories in the cab of a lorry when paying attention to the road ahead is more important. But where can one find such a patsy?

No, wait...

Whew saved! Get that extra popcorn you 3 amigos; the Big Fat Motability Swindle is still showing at a forum near you :D.

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Its time all the children in this thread grew up and acted like adults.

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i don't pay road tax on my car. And I wouldn't if it was or wasn't a notability one.

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i think the zero road fund based on emissions is coming to an end- too much lost revenue for HMG .

my gas guzzler on the other hand is £ 490 per year as a one off payment or £514.50 if paid by monthly dd that should keep the wolf from the governments door

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sorry it was me I didn't explain myself very well / in my case it is because I have a notability car that I don't pay road tax but that benefit I could get either way.

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enjoy it mate if anyone deserves a mobility vehicle its you :tu:

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I'm curious but can't pm dilli. If you are reading this dilli - would you be willing to tell me of your circumstances please? :)

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My circumstances are plastered all over this forum for everyone to see if they choose to look.

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Pardon the pun. ;)

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Indeed as you have been a long term member of this forum who has serious ongoing health conditions for as long as many others and l have known you.

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Meanwhile back on topic: can I ask if any recipients of Motability benefit here are concerned about the amount defrauded or do you feel this just goes with the territory?

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Personally as a taxpayer I'd rather we had gotten back ALL of the money we paid out to save the banks..and I'd rather we chased after those who avoid paying their fair share of tax..but it seems some of us want to really nail it to the vulnerable just for the sake of clawing back what is peanuts in comparison to the former sums of money that we lost out on.

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Well l think its pretty obvious as anybody in the own mind would not be happy with any fraud whether it benefit fraud or any other fraud and we must do all we can to erase it but you will never get rid of any fraud totally sadly and that's a fact.

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if you shop at tesco
that amount of peanuts amounts to 145,833,333.3 bags of said peanuts that's a lot of nuts to go missing .

its people defrauding the system that are nailing it to the vulnerable.


thats just over i bag for every adult in the uk /is it acceptable for every adult to steal a bag of nuts from tesco as its only peanuts ?
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indeed :tu:
but that doesn't mean we should give up trying.

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I agree but with respect that is off topic.

You can't be referring to me. I want to nail the fraudsters that cheat the vulnerable (which includes taxpayers and benefit recipients).

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What is motability benefit? Can't even get that right.

As for an answer I have far much more to worry about than what other people are up to.

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Eh :) ? And if you're too busy, don't contribute.

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I answered your question. I am in receipt of DLA. I am entitled to motability. Because of my current situation I gave you a perfectly valid answer.

Keep digging.

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Ok, so you're ok with the fraud. Fine.:erm:

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Please quote me where I said that. Keep digging you're only making yourself look stupid.

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Please write English :D. And when correcting the spelling of others, use the correct spelling.

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Motability is not a benefit paid for by the state. What you are actually against is DLA/PIP fraud.

Only those on DLA/PIP can get a Motability vehicle on lease. The lease provides for free tyres, brakes, servicing etc.

Motability fraud per se cannot and does not exist.

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that's not justifying its miss use its just trying to gloss over it .

what does worry me is the people who simply want to turn a blind eye that is what has peaked my interest in the subject

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This must be one of the most pointless threads I've ever seen on here (and that's saying something)

Can't a mod just lock it now - it's run its course, there's been nothing of value said here since about the fourth post.

You see, every time anyone, even Mods come up with a response that's remotely against the OP's train of thought, it either gets ignored, ridiculed, trolled or told it's off-topic, the OP himself seems hellbent on either digging a hole all the way to China or alienating the whole of CF (Except papa - who I suspect is having fun only).

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My son receives DLA with the higher mobility component, but he was, and will be, unable to drive, so he uses that part of his benefit to pay for taxis where bus routes can't get him to. The family car is a 1995 Skoda that I have owned for 15 years. Only 43k miles on the clock (38k since I bought it).

I don't judge when I see an "able bodied" person using disabled parking spots, because I am not qualified to tell whether that person has a "hidden disability". Plus there is no way to tell if it's a Motability hire vehicle, a used car bought with the aid of Mobility Allowance, or a private car permitted a Disabled Parking Permit. Plus it could be a designated driver with no disability collecting or dropping-off a disabled person.

Knowing the system as I do, I know there will be fraud, but certainly a lot less these days since people actually get fairly regular face-to-face interviews and "tests" before they qualify. Plus I know that the driver does not have to be the disabled one providing the (Motability) vehicle is being used for the benefit of the disabled person.

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Peanut was actually pointing out that there is no such thing as "Motability benefit" which is correct and you asking the question " anyone in receipt of Motability benefit...." simply proves your own ignorance on the subject ,there are too many people ,such as yourself, making judgements on and decisions for disabled people with not the first clue what they are talking about ,and before you start screaming "off topic" again it is very much on topic and part of the whole benefits/disability debate

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Please don't split hairs.

Absolutely spot on again.

Their indifference remains unexplained :rolleyes:.

We know your thoughts; we know you have nothing to contribute. It is for the mods to decide when the thread has run its course, not you and this is a legitimate topic for discussion which is why people are participating, including mods. That is why everyone is ignoring you.:dunce:

Thank you Taf. I just think that £70m fraud is too much. Cheats are annoying.

There is no such thing as 'Moterbility benefit' that's for sure (you missed Peanut's ninja edit).

Motability is a national charity as pointed out by Taf in post 2. Are you saying people don't benefit from Motability?

And let's not divert from the £70m Motability swindle. This loss is not peanut.:p:

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This is what it comes down to is it, pointing out spelling errors. You never did answer or quote where I said that I agreed to fraud.

Also, when I've been up most of the night and on constant morphine etc, (and trying to type on a tablet, with auto correct that is a pain in the backside). I find your comments quite sad. But then again you don't know the facts do you.

Funny now is it?

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If all you can do is be the spelling police when you don't even know Motability is not a benefit then you have no business even commenting in this thread.

Yes we all know that ,you however appear to be in ignorance of that fact

Every poster in this thread has acknowledged that fraud is bad ,you seem to be using this very small figure (comparatively)and an excuse to attack Motability

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Well if everyone just stopped posting the thread would die..;)

Off to find something better to do..but I will be monitoring this thread from time to time until it does die.

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Good advice .. as the expression goes, don't feed the ... :)

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I challenge the OP or anyone to show one instance of Motability fraud and back it up with one link proving their case.

Put up or shut up!

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Golfer filmed playing in tournaments while swindling £26,000 in disability hand-outs – including a taxpayer-funded CAR - is jailed for six months

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz49PBWclqs
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...r-been-2813568

The DWP inquiries revealed he had even passed a DVLA medical every three years to keep his lorry licence. He also got himself a Motability car courtesy of the taxpayer.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...led-Tilly.html

After a tip-off to the DWP, he was secretly filmed three times going to the gym in June 2012, arriving in his Nissan Qashqai, a car provided under the Motability scheme.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz49PGm3NYP
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...shaved-1433746

La Garde also claimed for a Motability car and received a brand new Vauxhall Zafira so she could transport her son wherever he needed to go.

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That is DLA/PIP fraud NOT Motability fraud. Motability fraud cannot exist. To get a motability car you have to pay the charity that runs if from your DLA/PIP payment.

http://www.motability.co.uk/

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None of which is Motability fraud ,all your examples are benefit fraud .If someone defrauding JSA uses part the benefit to pay for a sky Tv subscription does that mean they are committing Sky tv fraud ? There is no such thing as Motability fraud ,there is Motability misuse which is breaking the T&C's of the contract but it is not fraud

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Diversionary tactics. Look, a continuing spat is not helpful to the discussion and it seems it may even be upsetting for those who are unwell. Give it a rest and let people have their say unmolested eh?

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there are some who have convinced themselves that fraudulently obtaining monies through lies and deception and then further compounding the crime by spending the stolen monies on a car is some how acceptable and is not defrauding the system simply because its done in planned stages of deception.
its fraud .

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That's not quite true as already stated in the posts above. If there is fraud then it is for DLA/PIP. But the OP doesn't want to talk about DLA/PIP only 'Motability benefit'.

There's been numerous posts about DLA/PIP/ESA here but for some reason that seems irrelevant or off topic because the OP doesn't understand the subject he's attacking. Yet they have everything to do with it.

As for yourself stating that you think others find it 'acceptable and not defrauding the system' is also missing the point. No one here thinks it is acceptable on any level and why you think that is the case is beyond me.

If you decide to accept (not claim) motability you have to be award DLA/PIP (the high rate mobility allowance). To be awarded this isn't because of whatever the illness or disability you have but based on what your needs/care are because of the illness/disability. Therefore you can even claim these benefits even if you are in work or fit enough to work.

ESA is the only benefit that is about being able to work or not. This has nothing to do with Motability.

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:tu:

The lady doth protest too much methinks

Watch out thieves, those that understand the system perfectly well, the DWP, are coming to get you :monkey:.

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Can you point these people out or are you just talking bollocks again

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Are you actually talking to anyone ? or is this load of tripe just filling time until you think of some more fact less and inaccurate rubbish to spout

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Profanity, please. We cannot have a discussion against a background of hostility. Thank you.

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You are not in charge of this thread or forum.

Wind it in, or I will remove you for a rest, Im not in the mood for childish behaviour today.